ADC Therapeutics SA (ADCT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

January 11, 2023

New York Stock Exchange US Health Care Biotechnology conference_presentation 40 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#1

Welcome, everyone. Thank for joining us for another session at the 41st JPMorgan Healthcare Conference. I'm Brian Cheng. I'm one of the senior biotech analysts at the firm. Presenting next is ADC Therapeutics. And the presentation will be followed by a Q&A session, and I'll turn the stage over to their CEO, Ameet Mallik.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#2

Thank you, Brian. I appreciate the kind introduction, and I'm really excited to share a number of important updates on ADC Therapeutics. Before I get started, I'll just quickly reference the forward-looking statements. So I want to introduce everyone to ADC Therapeutics. We're one of the pioneers and leaders in the antibody-drug conjugate space and one of only a few companies who have actually had a product get to approval. We also have multiple clinical stage programs and a fully integrated organization, including very specialized capabilities that I'll talk about that are very specific to ADCs. We have a strong validated technology platform, including highly potent PBD-based ADCs as well as a growing toolbox of different components that are allowing us to work on next-generation ADC products. We have multiple value inflection points over the next 12 to 24 months and a cash runway that extends beyond that into Q2 2025. Now ADC has been built up as a purpose-built engine with very specialized capabilities that are unique to ADCs, specifically around research and discovery, early development and CMC. Within research, when you're working on at ADC, it's really important to not only come up with the right target tumor combination that's going to be amenable to an ADC approach, but they're getting the right intelligent choice of targeting moiety, linker technology and payload. Beyond that, in the early development stage, it's critical to get the dose and dose finding right. Because at the end of the day, you're trying to maximize the therapeutic window, doesn't work like a typical therapeutic where you have a typical dose response. You want to maximize that therapeutic index to get the dose that's going to be highly potent to kill the cancer cell, but also safe and not cause a systemic toxicity. And then finally with CMC, you're dealing with something that's very complex in terms of the molecule because you have a number of different components. You obviously have to produce the payload. You have to produce the antibody, put them together and do fill finish. It's a highly complex process to do this and also you're dealing with the toxic molecule. Since our inception, we have a proven track record. We have 3 different compounds that have reached clinical proof-of-concept plus stage, plus an additional 2 assets in the clinic. We validated our capability with an accelerated approval by the FDA in the U.S. and a recent approval also in Europe that we just achieved as well as the launch of Zynlonta. We've had success with a highly potent PBD-based payload where other companies have failed. It's very tough to work with and control the systemic toxicity with such a potent payload, but we've had success now multiple times. Our strategy is really focused on unlocking the value across 3 different pillars. The first is to maximize Zynlonta, our currently approved product. The second is around advancing the PBD-based pipeline. And the third is broadening our ADC platform and leadership. I'll talk a little bit more about each one. First, what it comes to Zynlonta, it's about establishing Zynlonta as the third line plus standard of care in DLBCL. This is our currently approved indication. We're also doing a number of studies to move into earlier lines of therapy and believe we can be the combination agent of choice given our unique profile that I'll talk about. We commercialize the product in the U.S. and partner it externally -- ex U.S. When it comes to advancing our PBD-based pipeline, we're focused on 3 core programs that we're investing heavily internally. Our 901 program targeting KAAG1, our 601 program targeting AXL and our 212 program targeting PSMA. We also have 2 other programs that we're working in collaboration, which allows us to prosecute a broader set of targets and molecules, but in a more cost-efficient way. So we're working on 602. It's an anti-CD22 with MD Anderson at 701, which is DLK-1 we're working on with NCI. We also completed a Phase II program successfully with Cami, and we are now looking for potential partnership opportunities for that compound. Within our ADC platform and leadership, one of the big trends I see in the ADC space is, is a growing number of technologies, whether it be around the antibody side, the linker side or the payload side, even beyond toxins. And so we've invested a lot in with internal development as well as through a series of deals to build up a toolbox, which allow us to generate next-generation ADCs because I think it's where the space is really going to go. If you look at our pipeline, it's a very deep pipeline, covering both hematology and solid tumors. Within Zynlonta, as I mentioned, we have currently approved indications, but a number of other trials to move into earlier lines of therapy in combination. In our PBD-based pipeline, again, I just want to highlight 2 specifically that I'm really excited about, which are our 901 compound targeting KAAG1 and 601 targeting AXL. We also have multiple programs that are undisclosed and research right now using some of the next-generation technology. Starting with Zynlonta, our first core pillar of value across the company. For the first time ever, we're disclosing what we think the peak potential can be for the product, which is $500 million to $1 billion. It's going to be driven by 3 different horizons of growth. The first is our current indication where we establish ourselves as the unmet -- establish ourselves as a standard of care in the third line plus setting. This is with monotherapy. This is our currently approved indications. Now given the relatively narrow patient population and lower duration of this therapy, this is probably 20% of the opportunity overall in terms of getting to our peak sales. We're well positioned, I'll talk about why, to continue to grow in both the academic and community setting. In Horizon 2, it's all about chemo-free combinations with rituximab. Rituximab is obviously used quite a bit across multiple lines in DLBCL, and we've generated good data and continue to generate good data in the front and second line setting. And then finally, horizon 3 is going after novel combinations. And we're looking at a number of different novel combinations, including multiple bispecific trials that we are having -- kicking off this year, and we'll start generating data that we'll read out next year. And I think that's a potential for potentially game changers in terms of disrupting some of the DLBCL space and some of the competitive landscape that's going on. Now if you look at the differentiated product profiles in Zynlonta, it really centers around 5 key elements. The first is it works in heavily pretreated, tough-to-treat patients. The second is it has deep and durable single-agent responses, which is unique, especially compared to any other CD19. It's a very fast time to respond. You get a response, your best response at the first after the first 2 cycles within 6 weeks. It's very easy to administer. It's the 30-minute infusion every 3 weeks and manageable safety profile with no CRS. This makes the agent not only good single agent, but also with combinations. But let's start off with our current indication, which is single agent. In the third line and third line plus setting, the dynamics in the market in the U.S. are really evolving in very different ways when you look at the community versus the academic centers. The community represents about 60% of DLBCL patients, but less than 25% of those patients will ever get to CAR-T of those that are eligible. So the CAR-T penetration amongst community patients is still relatively low. We think the fact that we have single-agent efficacy, tolerability with manageable side effects and the ease of administration is really ideal for the community use. And this is where we're seeing a lot of growth in the product. And I see probably the greatest potential for future growth in this segment. Now in academic centers, we have roughly 40% of the DLBCL patients. The majority of those patients are getting CAR-T at some point and largely now moving to earlier lines of therapy into the second line of therapy. But 60% of those CAR-T patients are going to relapse. And we have growing advocacy. This is where we're getting the majority of our current use right now, and we're being used in the majority of academic centers across the country. Thought leaders recognize that it's very tough to treat populations that you get a strong response with Zynlonta and were used quite a bit in the railroad setting in that post CAR-T setting. Now moving beyond our current indication and looking at the combination strategies, we have a number of different programs that will help to move this product into earlier lines of therapy in combination and really reach the full potential of the molecule. Starting with LOTIS-5. This is our confirmatory Phase III program in combination with rituximab. We presented at SOHO in the September safety lead-in results, which showed an overall response rate of 75% and a CR rate of 40%. I think it's a very competitive profile in the second-line setting. We're currently enrolling the randomized portion of the study, 350 patients, and we'll complete enrollment of the study next year. With LOTIS-9. It's a Phase II study, open-label study in the frontline frail and unfit population. So this is the roughly 15% of patients that can't tolerate R-CHOP -- full doses of R-CHOP. And that's where there's an unmet need. We have an 80-patient study going on right now and plan to share some results of that study next year. We also have a number of novel combinations that we're looking at. So in our LOTIS-7 program, we're looking at polatuzumab, glofit and most in combinations with Zynlonta. We also have a collaboration with IgM studying Zynlonta with their bispecific imvotamab. I think together, this will help to position Zynlonta as a combination of choice. And I think having single-agent activity with a CD19 positions us well to combine across multiple different therapies. Now looking at our PBD-based pipeline, there's really 3 programs that we focus heavily on in terms of company investment, which is our 901, 601 and 212 programs, but also have 3 other programs, 602, 701 and Cami that I'll talk more about. Starting with KAAG1. This is a novel first-in-class target. We know that KAAG1 is over expressed on a number of different tumors, such as triple negative, ovarian and RCC and others. We also know that we've seen preclinically that there's not only activity, single agent, but also in combination, you can get even more activity potentially. We're currently well advanced in a dose escalation right now of a Phase I. We plan to share some of those results later this year. We also are planning for ongoing expansion in combination arms that will start once we execute the dose escalation. Given that there's not a lot known and the literature, I think, is not great around AXL -- I'm sorry, KAAG expression on the cell surface, we also have a biomarker that we are -- that's under final validation, and that will help to inform some of the dose expansion and further clinical work with this program. Now when you look at some of the data, just I'll highlight the graph on the lower left. In monotherapy in a PDX arm, you could see just in an ovarian model, the kind of tumor suppression we're getting with single-agent activity in a PDX model. And so it's clearly potent, and we see that KAAG is expressed across a number of these different tumors. As I mentioned, ovarian, RCC, triple negative, but also cholangiocarcinoma, where these are relatively big populations were still remaining high unmet need. Now turning to AXL. AXL is a well-validated target. And I think a target that has a lot of history, starting with small molecules going after target suppression. There's been some ADC approaches that have been tried or are currently being tried. We think we have a pretty differentiated approach when you look at some of the data. And this is something we're quite excited about. We have dose escalation cohorts going on in 2 different arms, a combination arm with gemcitabine in sarcoma. We know sarcoma is a tumor that has high levels of expression of AXL. So it's a great proof of concept and that's a good way to test the hypothesis. But also we have a monotherapy arm and a basket of studies, including sarcoma, non-small cell lung cancer and other AXL gene amplified solid tumors. We're currently doing the dose escalation and plan to share results of that in the first half of next year. We'll then, of course, move on to dose expansion in some of these tumors. And again, we have an IHC assay that's under validation because there's likely going to be some tumors like sarcoma where the AXL expression is so high that you don't need to have a selective population, but likely other tumors where you're going to have to and where that sensitivity is and how we do the patient selection is going to be key as we get into the dose expansion and further clinical development. Now again, turning to the left. One approach that was taken before with an ADC was the Genmab ADC, where if you look at the top line right next to the vehicle arm, there's a the Genmab ADC at 0.3 milligrams per kilogram. And you could see there wasn't much tumor suppression. But the product, when you look at the lower line, that same compound at 4 milligrams per kilogram did show tumor suppression. The key with an ADC, of course, is getting to the tumor suppression, but at a dose level that still is within the therapeutic index and isn't causing side effect issues. You could see that arm at 0.3 milligrams per kilogram shows very strong tumor suppression in a PDX model. So because of the potency of our payload, which I think is one of the differentiators between our AXL approach and other AXL approaches that are being tested as a difference in the payload. And you can see a very dose level as the kind of tumor suppression we have. Again, AXL expression is well known as sarcoma, I think, is the one where it's the most known, but also in non-small cell lung cancer, pancreatic, RCC and ovarian. So this has the potential to show promise in a number of different solid tumors. Our PSMA program is another one that we're excited about. We know that PSMA has nearly universal expression across metastatic prostate cancer patients. And our 212 compound is the next-generation ADC that we really optimized to improve the efficacy and tolerability of the compound. We had a previous version, and we learned a lot from that experience to optimize the second-generation version. We showed very strong antitumor activity across different prostate cancer xenograft models. We're currently doing the IND-enabling work and plan to move this into the clinic in the first half of next year. Now metastatic prostate cancer is a large population, and we know the market is currently being shaped by PSMA targeted therapies. We think we have the chance to provide a more readily accessible PSMA targeted agent with this ADC approach. We also have our compound 602, which is targeting CD22. We know CD22 is overexpressed on a number of different hematological malignancies. In this case, we're studying it in ALL. We showed strong preclinical data and have partnered with MD Anderson, also with City of Hope is where this -- the program is being studied right now on those 2 sites. During the dose escalation, there were 4 patients that had MRD-negative remission, including 2 patients at the current dosing level that's being studied, which is 50 micrograms per kilogram. We also had an additional patient at that same dose level that had [indiscernible] clearance without any count recovery. So we've seen some clear signs of clinical activity. Right now working with MD Anderson to continue to do dose expansion and dose escalation with this compound. I plan to share more results of this later in the year. Beyond ALL, where there's some clinical activity, at least initial clinical activity that we see, there's also potential application in other areas such as NHL and CLL. Our 701 compound targets DLK-1. DLK-1 is expressed in a number of different neuroendocrine tumors, both in larger areas like small cell lung cancer as well as more rare neuroendocrine tumors. We've shown that we have the potential preclinically to suppress tumor growth in neuroendocrine tumors, and we're currently working with the NCI. They're developing the Phase I protocol, and we plan to move this into the clinic by the end of this year. As I mentioned, small cell lung cancer represents a sizable opportunity and also still a lot of remaining unmet need and more targeted neuroendocrine tumors. The benefit of our 602 and 701 program is we're able to develop these compounds with very limited resources on our behalf with highly credible partners. And as we see the readout of Phase I studies, we can decide how we want to move things forward, whether it be alone or in partnership. Now taking a step back and looking at our platform strategy. First, we just assessed the overall market. And if you look at all the ADCs that are currently approved, they're projected to be about $20 billion in sales in the next 5 years. But if you look at the targets in tumor types that are being tackled by ADCs, it's only a fraction of the true potential of where ADCs can go. To unlock that potential, I think it's going to require an increasingly more intelligent approach and increasing set of technologies to have the right combination of targeting more in linker and payload permutations to effectively unlock some of those. But then also to maximize that opportunity, you need an integrated capability to actually take that molecule development and pull it all the way through. We think we're very well positioned to do both of those things. We have a strong foundation with unique capabilities, unique to ADCs. We have a proven track record, but also now a growing technology platform. So again, for the first time ever, we're sharing some of the technologies that we have in-house right now that we're disclosing both in terms of targeting moieties, linker and conjugation technology and payloads. I think where the ADC space is going to go, which is right now, I've been focused on toxins, potentially goes beyond toxins to immune agonists, potentially to multiple drugs. And so where the space is going, I think, is much broader than where we've been up to this point. And that's where our research efforts are focused on is unlocking the value and the potential of a broader set of targets and a broader set of tumors and hopefully with even much more significant efficacy. We have a number of different value-driving catalysts over the next 2 years, and again, well within our cash runway, which extends into the second quarter of 2025. So starting with Zynlonta. This year, we will grow Zynlonta double digit year-over-year, and we'll also achieve commercial brand profitability, meaning we will more than offset the total cost of commercialization of the company and medical affairs and all related costs so that Zynlonta, by the end of the year, starts to pay for the new indications and the pipeline and it starts to become certainly more than offsetting all the commercialization costs. We just recently achieved European approval, so we'll have a launch in the first half of this year by our partner Sobi, which triggers not only milestone payments, but also we generate royalties from those sales. Next year, we'll complete the enrollment of our LOTIS-5 confirmatory study in the second-line setting. We'll also share some preliminary results from our LOTIS-9 and LOTIS-7 studies next year. In terms of the pipeline, we have KAAG1, which I mentioned, we'll share preliminary results of our Phase I dose escalation study later this year. We'll share some of the preliminary results from our Phase I study with AXL, and we'll share more data from the dose expansion work with our Phase 1 compound 602. We also plan to initiate 2 new Phase I studies 701 later this year and then our 212 compound targeted PSMA in the first half of next year. So a number of different milestones across the company, both with Zynlonta and our pipeline. And of course, we're continuing to advance our technology platform, but haven't disclosed any milestones around that. With that, I thank you, and I look forward to the Q&A.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#3

So I'll switch over to the Q&A session. For those of you who are in the live audience, feel free to use the mic runners who are nearby today. And for those of you who are joining online, feel free to use the online portal. I think there is Ask a Question button as well. Thanks for joining us, Ameet. It's great to have you.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#4

Yes. Thank you.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#5

So to kick start a conversation, it will be great to get some insights on the Zynlonta sales trajectory. How comfortable are you with the double-digit growth that you have seen -- that you're expecting for this year? Can you talk about where do you think the biggest drivers are in your next growth trajectory?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#6

Sure. Yes, we're comfortable. I think the biggest driver is going to clearly be in the community setting, where there's still a lot of untapped potential. So just to give a little bit more color, if you look at the academic centers today, the majority of them are using Zynlonta, largely in that third or fourth line setting and oftentimes post CAR-T. If you look at our new patient starts in that late-line setting, we're leading right now, despite launching later than any other agent and actually having lower brand awareness. So to me, that also has opportunity. But the academic piece is competitive, and I think we'll continue to get even more competitive. There's competition from -- as CAR-T moves forward, there's competition from clinical trials. It's actually one of the bigger sources of this competition. And then as bispecifics enter, I think they're going to disrupt the academic side. So I think we're going to continue to have a clear place because we've established a presence for us in tough to treat patients, not only post CAR-T, but the double-hit, the triple-hit. A lot of these patient types, we've established clear efficacy in these. I think there's going to be continued use there. Where we see the bigger growth opportunity is in the community setting. We saw good growth Q3 over Q2. We had over 20% sales growth and that was largely driven by expansion amongst new community accounts. Still today, less than half of the community accounts had even tried Zynlonta. And so we're still early in the launch phase, given that the product launched during the COVID time, where access to seeing physicians was extremely tough. We're early in the phase of still education, awareness and actually driving trial usage in the community. But our profile fits extremely well right now. CAR-T use is still quite limited, and I believe it will remain limited in the community. And I think even bispecifics will have a tougher time just given the safety profile and a slower adoption. We know in the community setting in general, when you look not only at our product, but any new product, the adoption is just much lower. So if you look at any of the competitors who have launched in the last couple of years, the adoption of the community is lower. But we think we have a really unique profile that fits particularly well in the community. And so that's where it's going to drive a lot of our growth this year.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#7

Do you see a lot of uptick more concentrated in the double-hit, triple hit patients? And I think one important question is you brought this up is that community doctors seems to be more cautious in adopting new therapy. So when you look ahead in the next 12 months or so, maybe 24 months, we're going to see bispecific coming online. There's also potential for other therapies to come in the late-line setting as well. And we already have CAR-T in the second line in DLBCL. So how do you think you fit in? And if you can give us some context about where things fall in the academic center versus your -- versus the community center, that would be great.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#8

Sure. Yes. So like I was saying in the academic center, it is getting more competitive. I think bispecifics will move across multiple lines of therapy. We see -- with the POLARIX study, likely going to move into earlier lines of therapy for a number of physicians. That also homes up opportunity because the third line plus setting is still -- there's not a lot of great options. And as I said, we're right now leading in market share, and we're doing it with single-agent activity. So bispecifics will certainly disrupt things there. But I think other competitors may get more disruptive than we will, frankly, from the competition. In the community, I'm less concerned by the competition. CAR-Ts have been around for a long time. And I can just tell you the -- you're talking about patients that are generally elderly that have advanced disease, metastatic disease. And I can tell you, when you talk to most community physicians, the appetite to send patients hours away to travel to be away for weeks with a family member, the cost and accessibility. The reality is, and they shared this data at ASH, less than 25% of patients are eligible will ever get to a CAR-T in the community. And CAR-Ts have been around for a number of years. So I don't think that's going to dramatically suddenly change. I think bispecifics will play a role in the community, but I think it's going to take time. One, there's naturally slower adoption, but CRS is a big deal. For the average community physician, they're seeing a third-line DLBCL patient once every few months. They don't see these patients all the time. So although they've gotten used to dealing with side effects with PD-1s and other tumors like non-small cell lung cancer and others, where they're seeing those patients quite often, dealing with CRS and hospitalization is a big deal for a community physician. And it's unclear about the durability of bispecifics and if they're truly curative. So if you're dealing with different non-curative intent products, having a single agent that works really quickly, that's easy to manage with a convenience schedule is a really important profile. So we think we're well positioned there even in the face of changing competitive dynamics.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#9

Do you see -- just to -- so this question to -- just the bispecific side, right? Do you see bispecific as a direct competitor in, I guess, the academic setting? I guess it seems that your view is that the community setting, doctors may seem to be more cautious about the use there because of the CRS side effect.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#10

I think at least initially, they will be -- I think, yes, there's going to be some level of competition. I think they're also going to get quite a bit of use in the second line. So I think they're going to disrupt other second-line therapies as well. I know I think it's going to all be in the third-line setting. So there'll be some level of competition because they'll get used across lines. But certainly, I expect them to get used also in the second line setting. I think if you think of -- these are the short-term dynamics. And the long term, the potential we see is actually the combination of the 2 because if you think of the possibility right now, we have a very fast acting agent to best response. Bispecifics take longer, but they get there. It's unlikely that either agent on their own is going to give truly durable, curative like behavior. But when you add CD20, CD3 plus CD19, there's the possibility. So we really believe there's going to be some level of competition, but there's also a potential for actually changing a lot of the paradigm within DLBCL through the combination of bispecifics and Zynlonta. And again, we're uniquely positioned because of our single agent efficacy with a CD19, and I think that's what that could disrupt the space potentially even disrupt therapies like CAR-Ts.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#11

When do you think we can get some color on how the combo work with bispecific?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#12

Yes, we plan to share some data for that next year.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#13

Okay. And are you dose escalating? Can you talk about just the...

Ameet Mallik

executive
#14

Well, we just reached an agreement for the Roche bispecifics and also of IGM. So those studies are going to kick off in the first half of this year. And that's why I'd say we'd have some initial data from patients next year.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#15

Maybe switching gear to your solid tumor pipeline. Actually, before we get to that, I want to also touch on Cami. For Cami, I think when we heard the news earlier this year, I think it started a conversation among investors is that is the FDA raising the bar for a salary approval? And -- is this more due to the need that they saw in Hodgkin or is there more to it? I'm just curious if you can give us some thoughts about just to sell your path in general in the oncology space?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#16

I think they are getting more stringent in terms of how they enforce the guidance. The official guidance hasn't changed. The guidance for accelerated approval has been and continues to be that Phase III studies are well underway. That's been the guidance. I could tell you our experience with Zynlonta was well underway was we had barely started the Phase III study, but the unmet need was high and clearly saw the clinical benefit of the compound that we got accelerated approval when our -- when we're at the very beginning of our Phase III study. I think because of the risk that the FDA takes with accelerated approvals and how tough it is sometimes to pull products to the market, I think they made a lot of public comments that they're getting stricter around accelerated approvals. I think many other competitors in the field would corroborate that the field has changed. And what they told us in the meeting was they believe there's continued high unmet need in late-line Hodgkin lymphoma. I mean we were being studied in the fourth line plus setting. With an average of 6 prior lines of therapy, we showed a 70% response rate, a 33% CR rate in 13.7 months median duration of response. I mean that's very strong data when you think of a median of 6 prior lines of therapy in Hodgkin lymphoma. So they didn't dispute at all that there's an unmet need in late-line Hodgkin's lymphoma. There's really nothing approved in that late-line setting. But I think they are enforcing more strictly the guidance around well underway. And when we clarified at the meeting, what well underway means they added ideally fully enrolled. And I think when you look at some of the recent accelerated approvals from other competitors, I think you could see that those trials are firstly completed enrollment, and the FDA is even looking at data -- blinded data before they grant the accelerated approval. I think this would follow the same pathway.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#17

Okay. Maybe switch gears to solid tumors. Lots to go through there today, especially -- now you have given guidance on the dose escalation data. I think we're getting dose escalation data for 901 and 601. Those are 2 key things to look for next year. I think one thing that I noticed is that you talk about how you're working on the IHC validation part for both assets. So are these worth the same for both assets? And is the objective the same for both of these programs? And whether you're trying to look for the cancer types that make sense? If you can provide some thoughts on that, that would be great.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#18

Yes. So I mean there's no off-the-shelf good IT asset to measure membrane-bound either x or KAAG. So this is something we had to develop. And this takes time to develop. Because if you don't have the right biomarker assay, nothing else matters. And so we feel like we do have the right biomarker. That's why I say both are right now under final validation, but we clearly see that it's working. It took us a lot of iterations to get there. And I think where that will come into use is not so much in the dose escalation, but in the dose expansion, where we likely won't select a patient population in the dose expansion, we'll pick certain tumor types but also have tumor biopsies that we're measuring with the biomarker to start bifurcating patients. Because for some tumors, we may not need to select. There may be enough expression that you don't need to select the patient population. For others, we may see clinical response that correlates to a certain level of cutoff of the biomarker to do some of that work. There's no other way to do it, but to do it in the dose expansion. That will help to inform a Phase II study in terms of how the patient selection. But my belief is that we'll probably have some completely unselected populations, for example, like AXL in sarcoma and others that are more selected. But determining where that threshold is to optimize every patient that can benefit is really important. And given that, for example, AXL is a resistance mechanism in lung cancer. There's no way to do that by looking at historical tumor biopsies. You have to actually do it by looking at the clinical results. And so we need to generate that data in conjunction. We're already in the dose escalation, collecting tumor biopsy. So we're going to have a set of data, but I think to get a more substantial data to really determine cutoffs in patients selecting criteria that would happen in that dose expansion work across the different tumors that we select.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#19

And I guess to follow on that, the dose escalation data they're expecting, what should we expect in terms of the number of patients, the variety of cancer types? And also, most importantly, what are you - what are you specifically looking for?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#20

Yes, I think it's really to get to the dose -- to get to a safe dose where we know we're in the dose escalation. Like I said with the ADC, it's really important to get to that dose that's going to deliver activity in the therapeutic window. So we want to make sure we get the dose level that it's safe that we're going to have some PK/PD data. And there could be some early signs of clinical efficacy, but I'm always cautious with small numbers of patients that we're going to do it. I think where we really test that a little bit more when we get to the dose expansion. So I think the goal right now is really get to a safe dose where we think there could be clinical efficacy, and then do the dose expansion, work with some of the biomarker that I talked about. And I think that we'll get some more rich clinical signal potentially from the dose expansion.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#21

What's your latest thoughts on the AXL IHC validation because we did see some AXL data this week from a competitor?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#22

I read your report.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#23

Well, thank you. And just curious, like what are you -- what's your latest thoughts on that particular cutoff for the indications that you'll be studying in the study?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#24

Yes. First of all, I would say, look, I think the data from the competitor that you cover showed that there's some interesting activity. There's a signal there. So that's what they shared with me. I think with Genmab, the prior version, although the dosing had to get too high, showed that there was an activity there. So to me, actually, it validates that it's a target that's amenable to an ADC approach. In terms of where the cutoffs are, I think it's hard for me to speak to the competitor's assay. It's a different assay and how they're choosing to use select, how - what percentage of membrane-bound AXL is sufficient or not. We have to do some of that work in our dose expansion to really determine the cutoff. I think that will be one of the most important decisions we do is determine the right patient population, which is really going to be tumor by tumor specific. And the other thing I'd just say is that we have a very potent payload. And I think when you get to lower expressing tumors, that becomes really important. We shared some data at ASH to an [ IAT ] with Zynlonta as an example, where even when there were no detectable CD19 expression from IHC, obviously, their CD19 expression that was below the threshold of the assay, the activity looked the same. So having a very potent payload, I believe, even with lower levels of expression, we're likely to see activity, but we have to see it and test it now in the clinic. So that will help to determine where the levels are for future development.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#25

And now that you have laid out the data was the solid tumor side, how do you think about -- so let's say both assets hit what you wanted to see. How do you kind of prioritize the next step moving forward? What would be -- what would make sense, given that you're also focusing on ramping up commercial side for Zynlonta. That's bringing in a partner make sense at this stage and at that stage where you have seen a positive data?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#26

I'd say let's see. At this point, we're focused on generating the data and making sure we have a good molecule that works. And I think there's -- even if we were to consider partnership discussions, there's a lot more value if you have clinical efficacy, a biomarker that's validated and criteria to move into later-stage development. So that's what we're focused on. And I think at that point, if we're -- we have the pleasure of having multiple successful hits, I think our ability, whether it's through external financing or through partnership, I think we'll have a lot of options at that point. But we're focused right now on just doing the work correctly for the molecules to develop them.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#27

Maybe just one last one, just to wrap up our conversation. So in terms of -- 2-part question. So one is, how do you think about resource allocation and your cash burn? Are you still increasing your sales force for Zynlonta? And I guess lastly maybe just quick highlights of the key catalysts for 2023?

Ameet Mallik

executive
#28

Sure. So if you -- we are not -- we don't need to increase the sales force for Zynlonta. I think we're -- we have a commercial footprint that's very competitive. We're covering the vast majority of the opportunity, clearly the more than 80% of the opportunity. So we feel very competitively resourced on the commercial and the medical affairs side. So -- and if you look at our overall operating expenses, actually, we're -- to come to your question on resource allocation, I think one of the most important things that we can do and probably every other biotech company is doing is make clear choices. And so you've seen when we decide to not continue a program or discontinuous study, we're trying to make very clear choices, but also tighten how we do things. So we anticipate to have lower operating expenses in '23 and '24 than we did in '22. And that is part of the reason we extended the cash runway into Q2 before -- prior, we had guided to early 2025. We're now guiding into Q2 '25. That's without making additional portfolio choices, but that's about making choice as well and doing things very efficiently tightening our belt in terms of how we do that. So -- and we had -- when we ended Q3, we had $381 million of cash. That doesn't include the $50 million that we're receiving now from Sobi upon the European approval plus an anticipated $75 million additional milestone from Healthcare Royalty with the first sale, which we expect by Q2 of this year in Europe. And together with the plan that we have, which is laying out everything I talked about today, that would take our cash runway into Q2 2020. In terms of key milestones, it's what I highlighted at the end of the presentation. For Zynlonta, it's continuing to grow double digit, achieve commercial brand profitability and get to those milestones of complete enrollment of LOTIS-5 as well as the initial readouts of LOTIS-7 and 9 next year. And for our clinical programs, it's getting to the dose escalation readout of KAAG and AXL over the next 12 to 18 months, starting 2 new Phase I studies, in the next 18 months and -- as well as continue to see our 602 compound progress and share more data for the dose expansion. So we have a lot of exciting things in our cash runway.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#29

We look forward to it. Thank you so much, Ameet. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Ameet Mallik

executive
#30

Yes. Thank you.

Lut Ming Cheng

analyst
#31

That concludes the end of our Q&A session.

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