Aecon Group Inc. (ARE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 1, 2023

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Industrials Construction and Engineering special 38 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#1

Hello. I hope you enjoyed that video and that it gave you a pictorial caption of some of the key focus areas for Aecon's sustainability program which we'll be discussing in more detail today. For those of you tuning in from outside of Aecon, I'm Gordana Terkalas, Senior Vice President of Human Resources, and I'm pleased to be moderating today's panel. Before we get started, I want to say right off the top that if we do run into any technical difficulties, we ask for your patience and understanding. We'll do our best to ensure a smooth event, but if we do run into something, we'll keep you posted either here or through your inbox. [Operator Instructions] For anything we can't get to today, we'll try our best to follow up at a later point. Additionally, I want to also acknowledge that Aecon's head office in Toronto is located on the traditional territory of many nations, including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Haudenosaunee the Wendat Peoples and is now home to many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis communities. We also acknowledge that Toronto was covered by Treaty 13 with the Mississaugas of the Credit. In addition to the land acknowledgment, we do want to also highlight that Aecon is very much focused on action, and we'll be talking about our reconciliation action plan throughout the course of this session. We are Aecon proud to announce the release of our fourth sustainability report, Building a Sustainable Future. The report focuses on what we build and how we build it, focusing on projects to support the energy transition and ways in which we're reducing our own impact. For today's panel, I'm joined by a few of my colleagues who are ready to have a fruitful discussion and answer some of the questions around sustainability at Aecon: Adam Borgatti, Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations; Prabh Banga, our Vice President of Sustainability, who spearheaded Aecon's 2022 Sustainability Report, which we're here to talk about today; and Eric MacDonald, Head of Aecon's Utilities operating sector, which is doing some of the most innovative work across the company when it comes to sustainability and the energy transition. Aecon has long been a sustainable organization. From connecting communities to clean energy projects, working around endangered species for decades and spearheading forward-looking programs focused on diversity and inclusivity, we have been working sustainably day in and day out. As we've evolved though, we now have a true consciousness of sustainable practices. Backed by specific targets and goals, we are now more clearly defining who we are as a sustainable company. So let's dive in.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#2

My first question is for Prabh. Prabh, could you start by giving us an overview of sustainability at Aecon?

Prabh Banga

executive
#3

Thanks, Gordana. Aecon's sustainability strategy is based on our company's vision, building what matters for future generations to thrive. This encompasses 2 focus areas: it's the what we build and how we build it. Aecon is building infrastructure projects that are driving the transition to a net zero energy future from advanced transit networks and utility-scale sustainable energy systems, all of which Eric will be discussing in more detail. In addition to the what we will build, we are also focused on the how and how we build. We continue to integrate sustainable construction practices across our operations in support of our GHG emission reduction goal which is a 30% reduction by 2030 in our direct emissions and net zero by 2050. For us, sustainability is a business approach to creating long-term value by taking into consideration how we operate in the ecological, social and economic environment.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#4

Thanks, Prabh. Adam, turning to you now. Can you tell us about your role as SVP, Corporate Development and Investor Relations. How do you see it intersecting with sustainability? And also give us a sense of what's the word on the street when it comes to ESG.

Adam Borgatti

executive
#5

Thanks, Gordana. Hi, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. Look, there's no surprise that the confluence of ESG has been so pervasive in terms of the investor community, how that's been intersecting over the years and the increasing focus on it. So at Aecon, we wanted to make sure that sustainability had a mandate that received the highest level of our executive focus. So in 2022, our sustainability expertise, Brad's team and the like were shifted all under the umbrella of a larger group that oversees and addresses all of our stakeholder relations, which created a lot of cohesion and organizational communication and relationship management. I think first and foremost, our sustainability report this year was much smoother in terms of our processes, working with external vendors and internally, and it was a real eye-opener to see the power of Aecon's communications focus across our various verticals and how that translated through to the report. So it was a start of something, I would say, very important because with the formulation of the Canadian Sustainability Standards Board under the guidance of the International division, we're now going to see great regulation when it comes to sustainability reports and more emphasis on the emissions and diversity and inclusion, which we welcome.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#6

Thanks, Adam. And we, Aecon, we just released our fourth annual sustainability report called Building a Sustainable Future. Why did you choose this theme?

Adam Borgatti

executive
#7

Well, the future is moving to net zero and that's exactly where we are. We're there to support that from the projects that we undertake and how we're reducing our own impact across our operations and supporting clients. So we work with governments, utilities and clients across the private sector as they navigate the complexities of the synergy transition that we're all focused on. And so delivering essential infrastructure for a sustainable future is really an expression of our purpose. And as Prabh addressed earlier, it's building what matters for future generations to thrive, the theme of the report being what we're building, which of course, is a sustainable future but also how we're building it and it's by reducing our own impact.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#8

Thanks, Adam. Prabh, can you give us some key highlights from the report? And what would you say were Aecon's major sustainability achievements in 2022?

Prabh Banga

executive
#9

Yes, for sure. So the performance highlights slide here shows our achievements across the multiple areas of environment, social and governance. And the report itself is organized into the 2 pillars of our sustainability strategy with just the what we build and how we build. So in terms of the what we build, we highlight our projects across the energy transition, which again, Eric will talk about more later. In addition to the what, we are focused on the how. So Aecon continues to build expertise in sustainable construction practices, focusing on environmental, social and governance pillars. So the report itself is organized within these 3 pillars in our performance across them. Within environment, we continue to focus on our emissions reduction goal, and we achieved a 14% reduction since 2020. We've achieved this by implementing a lot of different technologies and innovation and trialing new technologies such as electric construction equipment. We also had a greater focus on using a framework called Envision, which is a leading sustainable construction guideline and framework. And actually, 2 of our projects achieved Envision certification, one of them being Gordie Howe. In terms of the social pillar, we released our inaugural Reconciliation Action Plan, outlining its commitment to engaging in reconciliation across our operations together with indigenous peoples and established a new indigenous joint venture. We also procured about $233 million of indigenous goods and services. This was our highest total to date. Aecon also implemented our Fatal 8 safety program and continue to implement it, focusing on a specific activities workers perform that present elevated risk. And lastly, in the governance pillar, our ESG commitment was extended to our supply chain, and we introduced an ESG screening survey for our preferred suppliers with the goal of having 100% of our preferred suppliers go through this ESG screening by 2025. Also on the government side, we -- the oversight of sustainability matters moved from the Risk Committee to the entire Board of Directors. And lastly, we're Aecon proud to win a couple of key prestigious awards in 2022, such as the sustainable -- Most Sustainable Infrastructure Company of the Year, one of Canada's Best 50 Corporate Citizens by Corporate Knights, won Best of the Best award in the Green Building Culture Award category and Platinum recognition from a New Canada for delivering 6 of Canada's 10 largest infrastructure projects. So Gordana, I'm going to turn the table on you for a minute to talk about some of the achievements under the diversity inclusion umbrella. A big part of leading Aecon's people initiatives is the equity, diversity and inclusion function. Can you expand a bit on Aecon's project -- progress this past year in these important areas?

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#10

Sure. Thanks, Prabh. I'd love to. So I'll highlight a couple of interesting and important initiatives that we saw come to fruition in 2022. First, we focused -- we decided to focus our efforts a lot in training new workers from 2 historically underrepresented and important groups in construction, those being women and indigenous people, amongst others. But we focused in these 2 areas, and with the support of the Ministry of Labor Training and Skills Development Fund, we formed a partnership that supported the training of an expanded number of cohorts through the Aecon Limited Trades program, which we talk a lot about. And that's a collaboration with our union partners and Aecon's Training and Innovation Center in Holland Landing. And we were really pleased with the heroic effort by the HR and ED&I groups here at Aecon, where we were able to bring 150 women into the trades through the AWIP program and a huge foundational push on some important outcomes for our indigenous people in 2023, which we'll talk about next year for the 2023 report. Another key initiative that I'm really proud of is something that has been emerging and evolving since 2021, and that's the Champions for Diversity in Leadership program. And this is a small sort of organic program that is prestigious and unique in that it engages our most senior executives at Aecon to sponsor and be champions for 12 diverse and high-potential mid-career employees. And this shift away from general mentorship to focused sponsorship is really powerful in creating exciting opportunities for our diverse community. I think I'd also be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the great work done by Aecon's employee resource groups. In 2022, we took huge steps to ensure the continued engagement and efficacy of our ERGs. We introduced executive sponsors for each group. We've been promoting the group's activities to facilitate recruitment of new members, and we're working to formalize their mandates to support clear, achievable and measurable outcomes. And 1 important outcome, I'd say in 2022, came out of the employee resource group that is focused on disabilities, people with disabilities, and that was the creation of a new workforce -- workplace accommodation policy, sorry, which is a more formal and detailed policy that comes with a specific role in shaping the policy, came through our ERG and we expect that this will be formally adopted very shortly at Aecon. And the last thing I'll mention, we are just about to close out actually our fourth diversity census in 2023, and that's coming off of a very successful census that we ran in 2022. For the third consecutive year, we're seeing growing completion rates of the census, which signals trust, increasing trust in the survey and more importantly, the activities that come out of that survey. And a critical area of focus is how we're progressing in the diversity of our workforce relative to the availability of diverse talent in construction, which I know and we all know there is availability of talent. We just need to be mindful and deliberate about inviting new participants into the industry. And as most organizations are DEI practices remain works in progress, and we continue to take steps to accelerate our gains. So it's a journey ahead and we are well on our way. But I'm going to take my facilitation role back here, and I'm going turn to Eric now. And Eric, as Prabh mentioned, sustainability at Aecon is not only about how but about the what we build. In 2022, Aecon made great strides on projects to support the energy transition. As Head of Aecon Utilities sector and lead on energy transition, could you highlight some of the energy transition projects we're undertaking?

Eric MacDonald

executive
#11

Hopefully, if I have 4 hours, Gordana. Do I have that long? I'm kidding. Lots of good news in that area in 2022 so I'll try to focus on just a few of them. One of the big ones is our Green Home Energy team that we stood up. So for those of you who may not be aware of it, think of Aecon grouping. We work across a wide spectrum of construction but rarely did work within the home and within businesses. We've now stood up a business focused on things like residential battery and geo exchange and geothermal solutions for homes and businesses, EV charging, hybrid heating in the HVAC realm, so important steps we've taken there to strengthen that team so that we can offer turnkey solutions there. And the highlight of that is we've got really what I think are forward-looking partnerships that we formed with the likes of Enbridge, who has stood up a new business called Enbridge Sustain. As well, we've created a center of excellence around grid scale batteries. I'll speak a little later about how that vision is coming to fruition now. We're working closely with our customers who are in the thermal energy markets so that we can bring solutions in renewable natural gas. And of course, for 20-plus years, we've been working with our customers like Enwave on district energy systems and that area or that sector of construction is now accelerating.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#12

Excellent. Thank you. You talked about geoexchange. It's becoming rapidly the go-to technology for commercial institutional industrial clients seeking to reduce their carbon footprint, optimize energy costs, lower eliminate fossil fuel dependence and meet their ESG targets. Can you expand on what Aecon is doing in this market?

Eric MacDonald

executive
#13

Sure. So I don't think I'll go into much detail on geoexchange. I think at this stage of the conversation across the industry, I think people are aware of that technology where we use ground-sourced heat to help reduce a building's carbon footprint. But a little bit about that industry and where Aecon believes that we're bringing an important solution is that was very much a small niche market for many, many years. And so as you go to start to scale that up because you remember, across -- if you just look at Canada, there's something, and I'm sure someone will fact-check me on this, but there's something in the order of magnitude of about 10 million homes across Canada, many of which get their thermal energy needs from natural gas. And of course, renewable natural gas will help address some of that, but there certainly is an increasing demand for geoexchange solutions. And so we've taken steps to build up our fleet and build up our competency, find the right partners including GSC, which is a certified aboriginal business in Cochrane, Alberta. So we started doing work with that group. And so we're very proud of that in an effort to make sure that we have a national solution. Everything that I talk about here and all the services we provide are on a national and, soon in international scale.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#14

Excellent. Thanks, Eric. Adam, back over to you. The report -- our sustainability report discussed how Aecon is making progress towards its emissions reduction goals. Can you talk about those goals and where we are?

Adam Borgatti

executive
#15

Yes, you bet. So in 2021, we were the first construction company in Canada to set a GHG target with very aspirational targets in mind. We're also set up a sustainability-linked loan for our credit facility, again, quite aspirational and measurable targets that we're trying to achieve. We've got -- one of our main targets, obviously, is to reach carbon neutrality by 2050, with a first milestone to achieve a 30% reduction in direct CO2 emissions by 2030, starting from a 2020 base. And this is all on an intensity basis. So we think we're well on our way to achieving the first target for sure. 14% reduction, as was mentioned earlier, in these direct emissions since we started measuring in 2020. Slight increase in those emissions in '22, which was expected as projects started to ramp up after COVID, and we had significant growth in revenue and volume at Aecon, but still very much on a downward trend with these emissions, expecting it to hit our 30% target by that expected date, if not earlier. And lots of the things we're doing are continuing to push in those areas to focus our business on areas with lower emissions.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#16

Excellent. Thanks, Adam. Prabh, a key highlight from Aecon's 2022 report is the comprehensive GHG inventory from all of Aecon's operations, which is a best-in-class practice. Can you tell us about the results of this inventory?

Prabh Banga

executive
#17

For sure. So we undertake an emissions inventory on an annual basis, and the purpose is really to understand where our emissions are coming from. The inventory includes our facilities, offices and major projects as well. And it enables us to identify our emission sources and really track the changes over time and the progress towards our emission reduction goal. From the inventory, we learned that over 60% of our emissions are associated with fuel and diesel usage across our operations. We also learned which pieces of equipment on job sites use the most amount of fuel, which really helps to prioritize our GHG emissions reduction strategy. Every year, we build on our inventory. In 2002 [ 2022 ], we further expanded our inventory to include Scope 3 emissions, which are indirect emissions. These emissions are from our supply chain. And from this, we learned that Scope 3 emissions are our highest source of emissions, which is very true for the construction industry in general. So we're -- as I mentioned, in 2022, we expanded our ESG screening to include suppliers as well. And the motivation is really to build on our Scope 3 emissions and understand our emissions associated with our supply chain.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#18

Interesting. And what initiatives did we implement in 2022 to help reduce our emissions?

Prabh Banga

executive
#19

Yes. So what you'll see on the slide here is an overview of all the different initiatives that we've implemented to help with our emissions reduction goal. One of the key ones is definitely the transition to biofuels and renewable diesel. We see this as a transitionary solution as a technology with construction equipment continues to expand with low carbon options. We're focused on using transitionary fuels. We also want to be at the forefront of adopting and trialing new technologies. So we continue to trial electric construction equipment, so we trialed an electric wheel order in partnership with Volvo, and we piloted other technology to replace equipment across our operations, so the use of solar power generators. We trialed a solar-powered light tower as well as other solar-powered equipment such as road signs. In terms of our Scope 3 emissions or indirect emissions, materials is also a high source of Scope 3 emissions. So we wanted to focus on the trialing of low-carbon construction materials. So we did a trial with Carbon Upcycling, which is a company that has introduced a way of producing concrete with 20% lower emissions, and we were able to partner with them to do a low-carbon concrete trial at our innovation center in Holland Landing.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#20

It's amazing. I find this stuff actually really exciting, being in construction for a couple of decades. It's amazing to see the progress we're making. So thanks for that, Prabh. Adam, are you seeing any sustainability trends that will impact Aecon's business? What opportunities do you see?

Adam Borgatti

executive
#21

Yes, absolutely. I mean, this is probably one of the most exciting areas that we're pursuing right now. Prabh and I have been meeting with a lot of our suppliers coast to coast, determining where we can find new initiatives to work together. And we're really pushing the conversation to advance our own goals as well as those on behalf of our client. So we've got a lot of opportunities in the pipeline right now, definitely on the innovation side with our own operations, finding smarter ways of work that reduce waste, boosting efficiencies and improving our outcomes. Key being harnessing innovation and being at the forefront of trialing new technologies. In terms of reducing waste as well, we've got a huge initiative company-wide to focus on getting better waste blocks in place and reducing inefficiencies in our operations from our Building Smarter team, which has gone incredibly well, and we're finding savings really from a grassroots-level driven from the employees up. We're really focusing on our supply chain, as I mentioned, trying to work collaboratively with our suppliers and really going on the journey together, helping our emissions reductions along with theirs. Increasing our proportion of work in renewable and more sustainable projects, as Eric mentioned, geoxchange, LRT, nuclear work that's coming down the pipeline, really pivoting the business there, divesting of our legacy road business most recently this month and pushing towards the future on our energy transition goals. So we're going to continue to focus on operationalizing our GHG targets. It's very measurable for us. It's very impactful. We aren't a company that just seeks out ratings and rankings. It's truly from a day-to-day on the ground type level. And a great way to hear about all these things is our podcast that Prabh and I host called the Road to Net Zero, which we love meeting with new companies, hearing about what they're doing and how we can do things together. And so it's starting to gain traction, certainly built on the strong foundation that Prabh started with our colleague Yonni Fushman that was here before. And we're happy to take this forward into a more successful and more audience takeup.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#22

Thanks, Adam. So just before I turn to Eric to ask our last question and close our chat off, you'll notice on the screen is a slide prompting you to ask some questions. You can click the Q&A button and start putting your questions in there as you like. But Eric, before we do that, to close off our chat, can you give us a sense of what we can expect from Aecon for the remainder of 2023?

Eric MacDonald

executive
#23

Sure. But first, Adam, that name you mentioned, Yonni Fushman doesn't ring a bell at all. I'm just kidding. I'm hoping on the only was important. He did important work in getting us all focused on this area. So certainly, Gordana, I'll talk. Again, we have a lot of different projects ongoing, a lot of exciting projects. We have a lot of momentum. I'll go through a few of them. We have the Go expansion on corridor works project here in Ontario. Scarborough subway extension stations, rail and systems, both part of our transit electrification projects. We have our small modular reactor project that we're doing through a partnership with OVT out at Darlington. And then we're really proud of the Oneida Energy Storage Limited Partnership, where our concessions group, upon financial close, will be taking approximately a 10% equity stake in that project. And then as well, talk a little bit about electrification itself, which is Aecon's taken important steps to strengthen ourselves in the area of transmission and distribution electrical, which is so important in making sure that we can get the power where it's needed. And so we're doing work for the likes of Hydro One and ATCO and BC Hydro in those areas to make sure that we can get that power and where it's needed. And then again, when we talk about milestones for 2023, we're taking steps to increase the number of indigenous partnerships that we have in place. And then all of this is backstopped with what we believe is a culture of innovation, manifesting in things like our Training and Innovation Center, which we use to test and verify new technologies.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#24

Amazing. That's really exciting. Thank you so much. We're going to switch gears now and move into the question period. [Operator Instructions] And it looks like we have a couple coming in. Let me just take a look here. Okay. First question. Prabh, I'll direct this question to you. What are some of the examples of future initiatives that Aecon will be working on to reduce emissions across our operations?

Prabh Banga

executive
#25

Yes, for sure. So we're going to continue the trialing of low-carbon options for equipment with a specific focus on yellow iron. So in the past, we focused on trialing electric construction equipment. That was sort of on the smaller end, but we are going to be transitioning to focusing on testing out medium-duty electric construction equipment. So we have an upcoming trial we'll be testing an electric medium crawler. We're also exploring the use of alternative fuels. In addition to biodiesel and renewable diesel, we're going to be looking at hydrogen diesel, and we're actually going to be trialing out hydrogen -- a blend of hydrogen diesel on some of our generators. And then speaking of hydrogen, we're also looking at the use of hydrogen across construction practices, specifically for generators. So we're actually going to be trialing a hydrogen generator just to see how it integrates into our operations. And then a huge focus, for sure, in addition to the hydrogen generator, is just on generators in general. As an industry, we really use diesel generators across our operations, but we're looking at alternatives such as solar power generators, battery-powered, hybrid. So we'll be integrating a lot more of those across our operations.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#26

Amazing. Thanks, Prabh. Actually, I'll direct the next question to you as well. From the audience, will there be any more offerings of the Envision training course in the near future?

Prabh Banga

executive
#27

Yes, for sure. We're definitely seeing an influx of Envision requests from clients, so for clients to align their projects to Envision. And so there will definitely be more training opportunities for Envision for our employees. It's one of the, I think, Envision is really going to be a game changer for the construction industry as it relates to sustainability. It's one of the only frameworks out there that relates to sustainable construction practices. So we'll definitely be integrating more Envision training into our training modules for employees.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#28

Very exciting. Eric, I'm going to toss the question over to you next. Can you speak to the client -- to client dynamics and how clients are now pushing ESG initiatives relative to what they've been building over the years? How are we getting pulled in more? And what are the opportunities to support our clients in their endeavors?

Eric MacDonald

executive
#29

That's a great question. I'll -- and maybe touched on it in the previous question that I answered, which is, it's more than just about delivering and executing on the work. It's also about the social compact that we have, so making sure that Aecon has indigenous partnerships in the areas where we work. It's so important, Gordana, with the work that you and your team are doing and some of the joint ventures like Aecon Golden Mile for marginalized communities in the Toronto area. So these are all things we're doing to help augment. Again, it will always come down to executing the work well. But again, on top of that, we can deliver a number of different benefits to our client, which I think, in turn, helps them to make sure that they can get the approvals and they can line up the work so that we can make -- so that we -- our crews can get out to work in a timely manner. We know in Canada, and I'm sorry to go on here, but in Canada, it's extremely difficult to get large projects built. And so when we can bring other attributes like I referenced, I think it helps our clients smooth the way.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#30

Thanks, Eric. Prabh, over to you for the next question from the audience. What would you see are the ways that employees are engaged with helping Aecon with their sustainability journey?

Prabh Banga

executive
#31

Yes, for sure. So employees are a key part of our sustainability strategy and really moving towards net zero and building that culture of net zero construction within the organization. So there's a couple of different programs that we've introduced to engage employees. The first 1 is called the Innovation and Sustainability Awards program. It's a way for us to get ideas from our employees across our operations, across our organizations. So employees can submit ideas around innovation and sustainability, and we actually introduced the program in November. And since then, we've gone over 60 ideas, really great ones that we're actually going to be transitioning into pilots. Quick 2 examples. An employee had an idea of using QR codes as business cards to reduce the use of paper. Another employee had installed solar panels on a water pump and replaced a diesel generator. So again, 2 examples of how employees are integrating sustainability into our operations and submitting those ideas so that we can transition them into pilots and use them across our operations. We've also introduced the Green Home Energy benefits, so in addition to our Green Home Energy business, we wanted a way for employees to be engaged in our Renewables business. And so we introduced this benefit so employees can integrate green options into their own homes. So it's a credit that's given to employees for implementing a green initiative in their home related to climate change mitigation, adaptation, renewable energy so they can apply for this credit. And lastly, we do provide training to our employees as well. So Envision is one of that training options, and we also have environmental management training. We recently did carbon literacy with some of our employees, and we're looking to introduce that across to more employees. And we're also introducing net zero construction training as well, so how to use electric construction equipment, integrating net zero construction principles across our operations. So that's something that will be a focus for us in the future as well.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#32

Thanks, Prabh. I would say just speaking about employees and how sustainability comes into play in our employee value proposition more and more when we talk to candidates who are looking for a new opportunity in construction and are potentially thinking about joining Aecon, the conversation and the actual demonstration of true commitment and work in this area is becoming increasingly important to people. And so it's much more integrated into people's day-to-day work and it transcends professional and personal focus and commitments. So it's definitely a big part of how we operate from all aspects. Thanks, Prabh. Adam, I'll turn the next question over to you from the audience as it's got a bit of a finance lens to it. Can you answer what percentage of the quarterly revenue are we planning to dedicate towards sustainability this year?

Adam Borgatti

executive
#33

Surely. I love this. This is the intersection of Investor Relations and ESG we're chatting about. Look, we've got about 60% of our revenues now tied to sustainability projects, which are dedicated towards renewable energy, clean water and all the sorts of elements that make that up. And I think we're going to try and keep pushing on that. We don't really look at things on a quarterly basis just because the nature of our business is lots of major projects will mix with some of the smaller ones and covering all matters of the spectrum. So when we look at things on an annual basis, I'd say 60-plus percent we'd be looking at sustainable revenues, and I'd love to see that go higher and we're pushing every day that we can.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#34

Excellent. Thank you. I'm going to ask 1 more question, and I hope Eric will be kind enough to weigh in and maybe to open to the group to anybody who wants to answer. But we touched a little bit on a reconciliation action plan here at Aecon. And it's something that a lot of people are getting involved in. Eric, you have dedicated a lot of your time and energy, both professionally and personally, to supporting indigenous relations here at Aecon and are one of the most well-versed individuals I know on these matters. And so can you tell us from your own perspective, your views on our reconciliation action plan and what you see coming forward in the coming months and years?

Eric MacDonald

executive
#35

Sure, Gordana. I'll try to answer that question. So I believe there's lots of examples here at Aecon where we're doing good work in that area, and that is headed by John [indiscernible] and his team, so very proud of that. But I think we all recognize there's much more work to get done there. And so I believe we're all committed to that. I know that we use this example all the time, but Aecon Six Nations, a joint venture. So extremely proud of what that team has been able to deliver. So when you think about that team delivering blue-chip utility solutions for a range of customers in some very technically challenging environment, we're just so extremely proud of that. And so we use that as a template on how we engage. So engaging indigenous nations, engaging their economic development groups to form lasting and winning relationships that brings value to everyone involved, including the clients. And so that is kind of a template. And the more that we can show progress in that area, the more it addresses the actions that are needed for reconciliation.

Gordana Terkalas

executive
#36

Thanks so much, Eric. I'm just going to check the Q&A inbox 1 more time. I think we've gotten through our questions here. I'd really like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for joining us this afternoon. We'll give you a few minutes back in your calendars. And I especially want to thank Eric, for joining and sharing his valuable insights from an operational perspective, and Adam, for your unique and passionate lens on Investor Relations and ESG and sustainability. And I especially want to thank Prabh for leading the charge for Aecon, all of your tireless efforts and amazing work that you've done, research and recommendations and particularly for hosting this event and for publishing our 2022 sustainability report, thank you all so much. If you are interested in hearing more about sustainability at Aecon, tune into our podcast, Road to Net Zero available on our website, Apple and on Spotify. A recording will be made available next week, both internally on Aecon's intranet and externally on aecon.com/sustainability. So stay tuned for that and feel free to share within your networks. That's all for now. Thanks again, everyone, and please have a safe day.

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