Agenus Inc. (AGEN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 18, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Mayank Mamtani
analystGood morning. We'll get started with our next company, Agenus Bio, where we have with us Chairman and CEO, Garo Armen; and Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Steven O'Day. Thanks to the team for being part of the B. Riley oncology conference, and appreciate you guys in the audience joining us. This is Mayank Mamtani, one of the senior biotech analysts on the health care research team. At any point during the fireside chat, feel free to e-mail me questions at mmamtani@brileyfin.com. So with that, Garo, Dr. O'Day, congrats on having a very productive past 12 to 18 months with the ongoing Phase I bot/bal trial, generating quite impressive data at recent medical conferences, including the ASCO GI conference starting actually today.
Mayank Mamtani
analystBefore we dig into some of those data sets, maybe for the interest of folks newer to the story, could you, Garo, touch on the sort of portfolio of sort of next-gen I-O antibodies that you have wholly owned and partnered and kind of touch on the development capabilities that you have underway, be it the VISION platform and CMC, as you look to deliver on the promise of cancer immunotherapy at a global scale? Garo?
Garo Armen
executiveYes. So as you know, you mentioned very well, Mayank, since our first presentation at ASCO GI last June, the field has started paying a lot of attention to our botensilimab development program because of the unusual nature of all the responses that we've had. And you've always mentioned what is the difference now with botensilimab versus other CTLA-4s, just elucidate on that [indiscernible] that Dr. O'Day had the clinical experience. So one difference is the broad nature of the responses that we're getting. As you know, when ipilimumab, the first-generation CTLA-4 started, the responses were pretty much limited to melanoma. And the fact that in this very early trial, even though it's a Phase I, as you know, we have enrolled more than 300 patients. The data is [ showing ] repeatedly -- and one of the reasons, by the way, we have made a bunch of presentations ESMO GI is because of, number one, the maturing nature of data. And Dr. O'Day will speak to that. And the fact that we presented at this GI just the colorectal results. And then as you know at SITC, we presented results in 4 cohorts. And I think it's fair to say that beyond the ASCO GI presentation, which we will be on Saturday, in the first half of this year, we'll continue to present data as the numbers of patients grow and the data becomes mature in terms of the ratio of response in patients. So unfortunately, the ASCO GI abstract is not out yet. We expect that, that would be out. So we thought that we'd give you a preview today, but we won't be able to do that. And we'll have to wait until Saturday morning. But suffice it to say that there'll be more patients and there'll be longer [indiscernible], and there'll be the kind of data for the first time that we had shown this in terms of the nature of the data without necessarily specifying what it is. But Dr. O'Day, you are the world's expert on CTLA, having treated the very first patients with ipilimumab 10 years ago. And with your ASCO plenary presentation in 2010, if I were to count on someone that could make some differentiated comments, it would be you.
Steven O’Day
executiveYes. Well -- so thanks, Garo and Mayank. Thanks for inviting us to be here today. I think botensilimab is really a foundational asset for Agenus. It's obviously a next-generation CTLA-4. The front end of the molecule is performing like you'd expect with [ fully high ] binding CTLA-4. But really what is differentiating it is the back end of the molecule with [ FCT ] mutational enhancements that's really making the synapse between the antigen-presenting cell and natural killer cell and the T cell. It's bringing them together and producing more potent responses. And I think what's remarkable compared to ipilimumab is ipilimumab was really a groundbreaking drug for melanoma tumor that is very immunologically sensitive, so to speak. But what's differentiating this Fc-enhanced CTLA-4, botensilimab, is its ability to produce objective and durable responses across 9 different, what we call cold or PD-1 resistant tumors, meaning tumors that had already received prior I-O. We've shown this now not only in MS-stable colorectal cancer, a particularly cold tumor that I-O has failed, but 8 other tumors. And at SITC, we released some cohort data in ovarian, sarcoma and some early lung data that has been incredibly provocative in terms of signal and the KOL response. Obviously, this is receiving a lot of attention. We're moving forward, obviously, with now Phase II programs in melanoma, pancreas and MS-stable colorectal with a real plan to bring MS-stable colorectal as our first registrational opportunity with this combination.
Mayank Mamtani
analystThat's helpful overview. And too bad we can't talk about the ASCO GI abstract, but we potentially can discuss what the data so far has been in colorectal MSS. So could you maybe just give us sort of the evolution of that data set, Dr. O'Day, about what we saw at ESMO GI, then SITC? And sort of, what do you expect to present at ASCO GI this weekend? And then I have a broader question, like how you think about the different indications. Now you said you've had the 9 different solid tumors show activity. Would be helpful to understand how you sort of prioritize the 3 Phase II studies that I think you touched upon, but then also what sort of things that you are thinking about as you look to, for example, work on the provocative data set in lung, for example. And I think there's also melanoma that I think you presented data in the past, but you may have more updates this year. So yes, Dr. O'Day, maybe just touch on the CRC parts of the story, but also some additional tumor types that you have in the works now.
Garo Armen
executiveSo as Dr. O'Day alluded to earlier, one of the special attributes, even before we went into the clinic for botensilimab, was that it was designed to be active in cold tumors. Of course, you may say, how can you design all of that? We have a terrific group of people, and all they do is design molecules but also Fc engineering modifications that we have mastered the art and science of making that a number of years ago. And as you know, we have other molecules that have been designed with Fc engineering. But what's important to know is that each Fc engineering domain is not -- is a different feat. So it's not the same engineering for each one of the targets. Depending on the targets, depending on the requirements, that's what we've done. As to colorectal cancer, we knew from the beginning. Dr. O'Day and his team has significant experience in various cancers, including cold tumors. So we knew this was a challenge. We wanted to show whether or not our [ agent chemistry ] will be active. Of course, it's been active now in a very profound way. Now one of the things that I should mention before I turn it to O'Day is the fact that we believe -- and again, Dr. O'Day is an expert in the field. We believe that CTLA-4 target, in addition to the other attributes of botensilimab, CTLA-4 targeting does provide with longevity of response and potential cures. So we are going forward with the condition that right now, we're pursuing third-line patients, fourth-line patients, so patients that have no other options. They are heavily pretreated, a substantial number of the market treated with other [indiscernible], including PD-1s. And we're seeing activity. But should we go to earlier disease setting, and we intend to do that, that we will be able to show survival benefit. That is our conviction. And that is part of our strategy, which, of course, moves the needle. The requirements for success in -- profound success into either very long term is possible, even possibly cures. So Dr. O'Day?
Steven O’Day
executiveYes. So Mayank, just to follow up on the colorectal story. We went -- we presented 41 patients at GI ESMO and then at SITC 59. And without getting into details, we will be updating in a few days that data set further. But I think what's important for people to understand is this is a third-, fourth-, fifth-line sort of MS-stable colorectal in which the standard of care, third line, for example, long served with regorafenib has response rates literally almost 0, a couple of percent and really survival benefit of less than 2 months in large randomized trials. So that's the bar. But if you look at I-O in the same setting, ipi/nivo and regorafenib, durva, really single-digit response rates. And [ durva and trem ] has over 100 patients treated with one response. So I-O combinations with CTLA-4 PD-1 have failed in this setting. And we have -- there are 2 sets of data from ESMO GI -- I mean, yes, ESMO GI and SITC have shown north of 20% with durability, hence stable disease that's durable showing disease [ controlling ]. So this is what is really remarkable about the data set. It's certainly better than the standard here, and it's certainly responding with clinical benefit in an area where I-O combinations have not been productive. In terms of other diseases, though, obviously, ovarian, we've shown data on sarcomas and very little to -- and lung. And we're particularly interested in the PD-1 refractory lung setting. We've only reported a few patients. But again, the majority of these have responded and have the durability, the same consistent signal, and we're actively accruing to this. So we see opportunities in these areas, too, in the next year. But in terms of why we picked the 3 Phase II studies right now to focus on and we are highly focused, obviously, our MS-stable colorectal sort of speaks for itself with the combination of bal or PD-1 and botensilimab. And we have a plan there. We are also in melanoma a hot tumor where CTLA-4 clearly has a lot of activity, and we have preliminary data that we have activity in this area as we would expect. But this is a single agent, botensilimab trial that really differentiated the second line from ipilimumab. So we think it's a very important opportunity for us. And then in pancreas, this is primarily based on our preclinical data where our botensilimab in combination chemo in a highly refractory mouse model has shown curative potential that's plain remarkable. And because of that, this experiment with Phase II -- second-line pancreas is being done. So we have 3 different experiments that are moving forward quickly now in colorectal, in melanoma and in pancreas, either single-agent botensilimab, botensilimab plus PD-1 or botensilimab plus chemotherapy.
Mayank Mamtani
analystAnd to build on that monotherapy activity that you're looking to explore in melanoma, but also one of the goals for your next study in colorectal and maybe specifically talking about your sort of plans going forward with the Phase II study, the individual contributions of bot/bal, it seems like a big question you are looking to address in that setting and then also the -- building on the durability data set that you have already. But could you touch on how you have sort of designed this Phase II study? And what are some of the features that could allow you to meet that objective of an accelerated filing next year? It seems like a pretty big study, 200-plus subjects that you aspire to enroll within a year's time frame.
Steven O’Day
executiveSo our strategy with contribution, components and dose optimization is really to use our expanded cohort Phase I agents, which we are backfilling with dose and contribution in colorectal, for example. But also our Phase II programs are designed to continue to look at dose and contribution. So it will be a composite Phase I dose expansion -- I mean disease expansion and the Phase II data. Our primary endpoints are response, duration of response. And then because that drives survival in I-O, PFS is certainly going to be collected, but it's less important from a primary endpoint. So the Phase II data will be looking at response, duration of response and how that's impacting survival. And in colorectal, we've also announced that we will have it conform in the Phase II data set. This is very important so that it can be very [indiscernible] sort of how we're doing in terms of response, duration and preliminary survival. We think that will differentiate, obviously, botensilimab in this setting. And then, obviously, a pivotal trial will confirm that with survival.
Mayank Mamtani
analystYes. And maybe just to hone in on the expanded cohort sort of progression. You -- I think you're getting close to wrapping that up in terms of subjects that are going into the study versus maybe continuing to follow up. So what, in your mind, is the duration of response and some of the survival metrics that you feel confident and that you reported on and you may report on the future? And maybe just put in context what we have seen with the other combination -- other CTLA-4s, prior generation combinations like the ipi/nivo but also the durva/trem combination.
Steven O’Day
executiveWell, we can't get to specific data for the GI ASCO in a couple of days, but we will see more data regarding that. So I think more to come on that. But clearly, response and duration of response and preliminary survival, all very important in that regard.
Mayank Mamtani
analystOkay. And another question we get on that data set is the breakdown of liver versus lung met. Could you maybe touch on the importance of that? And as you know, that may also inform how you sort of do your next study and what sort of patients you enroll. Dr. O'Day, could you touch on that?
Steven O’Day
executiveSo we -- at GI ESMO, we showed that in our allcomers cohort, if you look at nonactive liver mets. So these are patients without liver mets or treated liver mets. Obviously, the response increases substantially. And so this is a known sort of predictor of response in the I-O field across tumors. So we continue to enroll patients on these trials. But in our Phase II program, we're really going to be highlighting the nonactive liver mets so that we can optimize dose contribution given the high response rate we've seen. In terms of our Phase III trial and our strategy, we haven't announced and made a final decision. We'll see what the data shows. But we think we have benefit across all patients with metastatic colorectal cancer and clearly an enriched benefit in nonactive liver mets, as you'd expect.
Mayank Mamtani
analystSounds good. And then just maybe also to talk about some of the other solid tumors. Dr. O'Day, I know you highlighted the data that was at a respectable sample size with ovarian and sarcoma. What sort of additional updates and follow-up are sort of relevant there and how you might be thinking of those fairly difficult-to-treat indications also going forward?
Garo Armen
executiveSo let me just give you some general comments on those. You will see expansion into other tumors this year, for sure. Some of those expansions will be in collaboration with other expert parties in the field. And our thought, Mayank, has been that, as you know, with our famous quadrant slides, when you look at early-phase tumors to late-stage tumors, cold tumors or hot tumors, the current I-O market is driven by hot tumors in late-stage setting, whereas our agents -- and agents have shown activity in cold tumors in the late-stage setting, but is that -- they alluded to when you see activity in cold tumors, it's a foregone conclusion that you are more likely to see activity in hot tumors, and activity meaning -- and more meaningful activity than perhaps what's shown because, for example, we are seeing activity -- clinical activity in hot tumors that are refractory to other bio agents. So we fully intend to expand our activities into some of the major hot tumors that we had seen early glimpses of activity in our first trial cohorts, and those cohorts are being expanded as we speak.
Steven O’Day
executiveYes. I would just add, Mayank, as we launch these Phase II trials, obviously, we'll be closing those cohorts in the Phase I. But the other cohorts that have less patients like ovarian, sarcomas, lung, these cohorts will continue to actively accrue this year, and we will be updating data as it matures. So we feel that this is a way to get preliminary efficacy with larger numbers. And then, obviously, in conjunction with our KOLs across these diseases, as they come, derisk further, strategize about Phase II trials in advanced settings. And obviously, we're looking at earlier settings too with our KOLs across investigator-initiated program. And obviously, the neoadjuvant space is very attractive to all of us for a number of reasons in I-O. So you're going to see a lot of activity with our relationship with our KOLs and as well in these areas. So expect more data both in the Phase I as it expands further and then, obviously, our pivotal Phase IIs.
Mayank Mamtani
analystAnd it does seem like the -- as you guys know, more -- a disproportionate attention from investors on those hot tumors and even with the advent of cancer vaccine sort of moving in the adjuvant setting. So I know specific work that you're doing is in sort of melanoma and lung cancer, more on the more advanced setting, right, like late stage. But I guess, could you talk about like what sort of you want to see there that may give you high conviction to start moving in that earlier line? That theme that we hear consistently at conferences like SITC that only if you had a more tolerable, safer CTLA-4, we could have done more with ipi/nivo in earlier lines. So Dr. O'Day or Garo, could you touch on what sort of you're looking to show in melanoma, even in a monotherapy situation, in some cases, that gets you excited and have the confidence to move in those lines that seems like a lot of investors are focused on for different modalities?
Garo Armen
executiveSo Mayank, you may know that from the old days, we are a company with substantial experience in cancer vaccines. In fact, we have done many years ago an individualized cancer vaccine trial at a time when people were frowning upon individualized treatment. Now of course, the landscape has changed. And -- but the earlier-stage patients can get tricky. In fact, we had done a [ dutiful ] trial 604 patients. And it turned out that the definition of adjuvant patients changed after we had completed involvement. This was 6.5-year trial. And it so turned out that the cancer vaccines did not have enough oomph, enough power to show efficacy in the overall patient population. And we had to go to an earlier stage of patients. And of course, we didn't want to do another 6-, 7-year trial with that program at the time. So there is this middle sweet spot that allows you to have quicker readouts. And it's critically important that you have quicker readouts. Otherwise, you're talking about a very long truck. And in that setting, we believe that the agents that we have in our portfolio are going to be critical, and cancer vaccines alone may not be able to be sufficient to show that over-the-hump effect. So that's the area that we won't be concentrating.
Mayank Mamtani
analystOkay. And I'd be remiss not to ask you questions about other molecules that we do have in the pipeline. We obviously don't have time to go through them all. But in summary, if you could touch on the effort you have on the myeloid MDSC space and then also on the TIGIT that is partnered with BMS. If you could just touch on when we should sort of expect next update to the best of your knowledge, it would be helpful.
Garo Armen
executiveSure. I mean, as you know, we have one of the most extensive pipelines in the industry, although talking about them can be a tricky thing because Wall Street likes to concentrate on one thing at a time and also doesn't really believe that preclinical data may correlate clinical data. So far, by the grace of some of the cosmic forces, we've been able to correlate preclinical data to clinical data. But suffice it to say that you will hear other updates from our portfolio. We are very excited about our portfolio of agents within myeloid [ cells ]. That has just started. We're rapidly enrolling patients in our [ ACTIVATE ] trial. We will be doing some combinations as well in the first half of this year. And of course, CD137 is an area that is very exciting. But we haven't released any data yet. I see Dr. O'Day is getting anxious [indiscernible]. But very exciting and more to come on that.
Mayank Mamtani
analystOkay. And my final question, I have to ask for obvious reason, how should investors think about the balance sheet sort of runway? And obviously, you need investments into R&D as you look to scale this up. And in the past, obviously, you've done a thoughtful effort of bringing in nondilutive capital. So would love to hear how year-over-year we should think about some of those nondilutive income contributions and then also what incremental transactions you may consider as you sort of look to maximize the value of the portfolio ahead.
Garo Armen
executiveSure. I mean there is no such thing as dilutive transaction, as you know. What we mean by nondilutive is a corporate collaboration that doesn't necessitate necessarily issuing shares. But of course, in a corporate collaboration, you're giving up something. They're not philanthropists. And so that has its associated dilution with it. But now there's no question in our minds that for us to sprint ahead at the speed that we want, we will be bringing in a corporate collaborator that sees what we see in the potential of this product. Because right now, hot tumors have been sort of scratched the surface of, cold tumors had not been. And our agent, botensilimab, is the only product that we know of in the oncology space that has started showing some activity in cold tumors. And it's a huge market. So we are in exploratory stage. We're in a number of very active discussion, very active discussions. In fact, since some of the presentations back in June and onwards, we've had a substantial number of inbound inquiries about this, as you can imagine. Now until we bridge it to that, I cannot, of course, predict exactly when we will have an announcement of that. But until then, we're also exploring some either nondilutive or minimally dilutive [ creative ] transactions. So more to come on that as well. But very exciting.
Mayank Mamtani
analystYes. And with that, I think we've run out of time and a number of topics, as always, don't get as much attention. But thank you again for being part of this conference, and I appreciate everyone in the audience participating. You may [ sign out ] now.
Garo Armen
executiveThank you for inviting us.
Steven O’Day
executiveThank you, Mayank.
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