Agios Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (AGIO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 19, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveGood morning, everybody. Hello, hi out there. Thanks for joining us this morning. Apologies to those of you on the West Coast for the early hour this morning, but we appreciate your participation in our first ever pyruvate kinase-R activation webinar here at AGIOS. So I'm Jackie Fouse, the CEO. I'm going to go through the agenda in just 1 second. I'm obliged to remind you of our forward-looking statements. So there they are on the screen. Here's our exciting agenda this morning. I will make a few brief opening remarks, and then very pleased to have Dr. van Beers with us this morning, an investigator we've worked with at Agios for quite some time, and I'll show you a snapshot of his biography in just a moment. Our Chief Scientific Officer, Bruce Car, will speak about the biology of PKR activation. Bruce has been with us for about a year now at Agios. Very happy to have him in the team. Many of you know, Dr. Chris Bowden, our Chief Medical Officer. He'll go through our clinical programs and the data that we've generated so far across 3 diseases in severe hemolytic anemias. And then we're very, very proud and happy and grateful to have Tamara with us this morning, who is a patient, a PKD patient, and she'll speak with you about living with this disease and our Christa Kerkorian, who is in our patient advocacy team here at Agios will host a little fireside chat with Tamara. So thanks to both of you. And then Darrin Miles, our Head of the U.S. and Global Marketing, will speak about the commercial opportunities across hemolytic anemias with our drugs. The patients have always been at the center of everything that we do at Agios. We brought our science of cellular metabolism to the treatment of acute myeloid leukemia. That's what our 2 approved drugs are indicated for. We have an extreme sense of urgency around helping patients like Tamara, and we'll talk a bit more about the diseases that we're moving into in the nonmalignant hematology space today. That same scientific platform in cellular metabolism has led to the biological insights that allowed us to bring IDH inhibitors to the treatment of malignant hematological indication, acute myeloid leukemia today. And that same platform is allowing us to bring the biology of PKR activation to the treatment of a variety of hemolytic anemias. So taking us outside of the cancer space, but all related to that same scientific platform in cellular metabolism that experience and expertise. And we have had hematology at our core since our founding back in 2008. So though we went into cancer first or malignant hem indications, what you can see from this slide is we have been in the clinic in PKR activation for 6 years. If we would add in the time that our researchers have been working on this mechanism and the best way to apply it to the treatment of serious diseases, it would be an even longer period of time. So more than -- for more than half of the time that we've existed as a company, we have been in the clinic studying PKR activation. I think that's very important. You can see some of the factoids on the slide here with respect to the number of patients that we've treated to date, 17 clinical trials that we have been or are involved in at Agios and some of the other data that you see there. We also take the -- our sense of urgency on behalf of patients very seriously, not only with respect to research and drug development but also in terms of working with those patients and physician communities and advocacy communities to support from that perspective as well. And so you can see some firsts that we've delivered in this area along the bottom of the slide here. We were the first company to build a global PK deficiency registry. We helped to establish the first international PK deficiency advocacy advisory council, which now is an independent body that's running itself. So those for PK deficiency, and we supported the first hemolytic anemia advocacy coalition meeting as well. So taking all of those things very seriously to make sure that we not only have medicines to treat these diseases but that we support the patient and physician communities, as appropriate along the way. This is a snapshot, and Chris will go into much more detail about this one with you in just a few minutes. This is our PKR clinical pipeline. We have a number of milestones coming over, starting imminently with the Phase III trial readouts for our ACTIVATE and ACTIVATE-T trials in the non-transfusion-dependent and transfusion-dependent settings of PKD. And then we have our thalassemia and sickle cell disease pivotal programs that we'll initiate in 2021. Again, Chris will talk much more detail about all of those. And we're moving forward with our pediatric plans in PK deficiency with mitapivat. Our next-generation PKR activator, AG-946 is currently in healthy volunteers. And we have a lot more going on in the portfolio, and Bruce will speak a little bit more about that in just a couple of minutes. So we see significant global opportunities. Darrin will talk about the marketplace in the U.S. and Europe and outside of those geographies. So he will talk about those global opportunities. But we see significant opportunities globally and across a broad range of hemolytic anemias and potentially other indications that you'll hear a little bit of a teaser about today. There's high unmet medical need across these diseases. We have been the company that's been the leader in PKR activation for quite some time with the longest experience in the clinic across multiple indications. We think we understand this as well as anyone else. You can see some of the highlights there for catalysts to come. And importantly, with respect to how we eventually take these drugs to market, we see a lot of synergy across these hemolytic anemia. So what we do in PKD can be built on for thalassemia and sickle cell disease. So it's now my great pleasure to turn the webinar over today to Dr. Eduard van Beers, Dr. van Beers very happy to have you with us this morning. Thank you so much for your time. You can see a little bit about Dr. van Beers here. We've worked with him for quite some time, as you can see under the second bullet at Agios, we're very pleased to have him speak about these diseases with us this morning. So thank you very much.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeThank you for your kind introduction. As you said, I'm a clinician and I work only in red cell disorders. And so that's -- well, I see day in, day out, I see these patients, I'm very happy to see a company investing so much in my patients. And today, I'm going to give you a short overview of serious hemolytic anemias as we zoom in on PKD, thalassemia and sickle cell disease. Then next, I click on next? Yes. So when I teach students in my university about causes of hereditary hemolytic anemia, it's -- most causes are very easily divided in 3 groups. Because the red cell essentially is a bag full of hemoglobin. And it's a living cell. So it doesn't have organ cells, but it does need energy. So the main constituents are hemoglobin system for antioxidants and energy and the bag itself. So the most common problems are hemoglobin disturbances. So -- and 90% of this is caused by sickle cell disease or thalassemia. A disturbance in energy metabolism, so glycolytic enzymes. So PKD is the most prominent of them. And lastly, there can't be something wrong with the bag and these disease are spherocytosis and stomatocytosis and some others, which I don't cover today, but maybe next year. So and as a background, it's important to understand that hemoglobin is a protein, which build up of 2 alpha-globins and 2 beta-globins. And in each globin, there's a heme ring with iron, which is the oxygen carrier. So 1 molecule of hemoglobin will transport 4 molecules of oxygen. And why did we put it in a bag? It's because free hemoglobin is very toxic and osmotic. So you can imagine that when the bag falls apart, what we see in hemolysis, this is toxic for the body and will result to complications in the patient, where we'll see later on. And it's also in a bag because packed hemoglobin is much more efficient than free hemoglobin. So this is the main takeaway of today. My message is that PK deficiency, thalassemia, sickle cell disease all share common pathophysiologic pathways and all share major physical and psychosocial impact on their lives with common complications and some which are unique for sickle cell disease, such as vaso-occlusive crises and acute chest syndrome. And if we zoom in common pathophysiology, they all have insufficient energy, low ATP and hampered mechanism to maintain cellular homeostasis which results by various reasons in RBC shape changes and increased oxidative damage of the membrane and enzymes and the hemoglobin, which then remains unfunctional. And this will result in these patients in anemia, so low red blood cell counts, a lot of hemolysis with downstream toxic effects on the body and in some can give vaso-occlusion. So the patients will have lifelong, chronic fatigue and iron overload. This will result in challenges during development, development disorders, school and work activities, social interactions. And on top of this, potential serious complications, we will see later on. And taken together, these patients face major social, emotional and health impact on their lives. And another slide, which is a favorite for me, comes from the global burden of disease study. It's a study published in many journals, but the first seminal papers 2012 in the Lancet 2 issues of the Lancet combined in 1 only talking about this epidemic to effort to quantify disease on Planet Earth. And if we look here, the authors have stated that there are about 7 billion people on the planet Earth 2010, and the most common disability is anemia, about 10% of disability on Planet Earth is caused by anemia. And if we look into Western Society, so high income North America, and Western Europe, you will be really surprised, I was surprised, but they figured out the most -- and so the causes of years lived with anemia in these Western society top causes are hereditary hemolytic anemias. These diseases are rare, but you have to imagine that these patients are born with the disease and they die with the disease. And now we are -- because the support of treatment will get them into fifth decade. This means 50 years of being sick. So one patient adds a lot of years lived with disability. So that's why it's cause #1 expressed in years lived with disability. You can look at up Casbom 2014 in blood prime Hematological journal. So let's zoom on the diseases. So how -- what is pyruvate kinase deficiency. So as I said, it's a genetic disorder, whereas a mutation in the PKRL gene, which encodes a protein called pyruvate kinase. You see it here, and it produces energy, we call ATP in the red cell. It's the main energy source in red cell. So when it's not functional because of a mutation, there will not be enough energy in the red cell to make energy out of glucose. And this will disturb cellular hemostasis resulting in hemolysis, anemia and downstream effects on the patient. We'll discuss later. It's a rare disease, about 3,000 to 8,000 patients in high-income Western Europe and North America. There are currently no approved therapies for pyruvate kinase deficiency. And this will be a repetitive slide, but you have to see that these hemolytic disease, they share common problems such as iron overload, so they need iron chelation. They have a lot of breakdown products of the red cells, like gallstones, gallbladder problems, liver problems, gallbladder removal in more than 1/3 of the patients, spleen removal, of course, often because of spleen enlargement and pain or just an effort of the clinician to reduce the hemolysis and increase red cell numbers, despite this, a lot of patients need supportive treatment, such as blood transfusion and other treatments, such as phototherapy in infants to reduce bilirubin, important breakdown product of the red cell, and antibiotics, for instance, and iron chelation. And you will see this is very the same in other diseases. So in short PK deficiency has a lifelong impact to patients. They are born with the disease, they often need additional rest, difficultly with exercise and sports and problems with going to school, education. And sometimes I have a patient coming in my office at an adult age. And I ask to complaints, I'm doing fine and not so many problems. And then I ask, okay, good to hear. But what are you doing then? Yes. And then it's very painful to hear these patients doesn't work, didn't go to school after a certain age and only lies on the couch whole day. So doesn't participate in society, needs support from family, government and needs a lot of medication. So they don't complain a lot, but they need a lot of support. So major social and economic impact from my perspective as a clinician. Let's see next slide. I have a lag. So it should slide -- so I'm not sure if you see it, but thalassemia is comparable to pyruvate kinase deficiency in the impact on the body with some slight nuances here and there. Because, obviously, it's different. There's a mutation in the beta-globin or in the alpha-globin and that causes an imbalance in globins. And this imbalance causes 1 of the globins to accumulate in the red cell, which causes oxidative stress. And oxidative stress damages the enzymes in the red cell. So it damages also pyruvate kinase probably because we see all metabolic effects of low pyruvate kinase activity in the red cell but it also damages the membrane and the cells for hemolysis and the removal by spleen or the liver. So it's characterized by hemolysis, but a lot of these cells are already hemolyzing in the bone marrow. So we call this ineffective erythropoiesis -- increasing erythropoiesis -- ineffective erythropoiesis and iron overload even further. So look, the clinical picture looks fairly the same as pyruvate kinase deficiency with a little bit more iron overload and I have to go 1 back. Here, you see that, again, iron overload with a lot of little bit more endocrinopathies, which, in turn, affect the bone health, again, and we see real end-stage iron overload problems in the liver such as cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma, and diminished life expectancy. So if we look at patient perspective, comparable lifelong disease with fatigue, anemia and a hard time to participate in society, but also pain, and so this is something which is often overlooked. Because people think that sickle cell patients are the ones with pain. But thalassemia and also PKD, they can have leg ulcers which are very painful. Liver often is enlarged, which gives a lot of abdominal discomfort and pain. Spleen can be very large when it's not removed, very painful. Extra hematopoiesis is an effort of the body to make more red cells outside of the bone marrow, which behaves like a tumor, which is also very painful and can even destroy other organs if it's not managed very well. And also osteoporosis can give a lot of painful fractures, and it's hard to handle. So really, the people, anesthesia pain teams know me very well because I have to consult them very often. So overlooked burden of disease for these patients. So if we then move to sickle cell disease, it's also a leading anemia, but the difference is that there is a gain-of-function mutation in the beta-globin. So this means that it acquires a new thing and that it can polymerize when oxygen is released from the hemoglobin, then the hemoglobin will clump to each other because of this point mutation. So it's very interesting. In contrast to PKD and thalassemia in sickle cell disease, all the patients have the same exact orientation. Here, I show you some slide with pictures I major my work at the NIH in Bethesda. And on the left hand, you see a fully oxygenate. You already see some Hamburger red cells. It's not completely normal. But if you turn off oxygen in a testing environment, you see that they start to sickle on the right hand, you can appreciate this really disturbed forms of the red cells. And in the middle, you see scanning electron microscope results of oxygenated red cell. It's amorphous cell with the biconcave shape of red cell within it just dissolving globin. And some red cell enzymes. And next to it see what's happened when it's deoxygenated. And you see that there are large cables form of hemoglobin which are polymerized. So one of the key things to treat this is try to get rid of the hemoglobin S or to make something that prevents it from deoxygenating and that can be done by lowering , which will be covered by next speaker. So -- and -- because in our lab, we saw that this oxidated stress risk provokes from the sickling of the red cells, we found that there is a thermal stability of pyruvate private kinase deficiency. And that's why I contact Agios to start an IST in sickle cell, which now we are enrolling and I'm very proud that this is currently being done in our hospital. So if we look at impact on patients, it's comparable to the others, they need rest because a lot of them have anemia. Let's move to the next slide. About half of them experienced vaso-occlusive crisis. And you think that's not a lot. But vaso-occlusive crisis in medical terms means hospital admission because of untreatable pain, which doesn't respond to oral pain killers. So they are in very, very severe pain. So it doesn't say anything about chronic pain at home or vaso-occlusive -- mild vaso-occlusive pain at home, which results in not working, not going to school, less social interactions. So it's the tip of the iceberg. Next to this common complications as we see in PKD and thalassemia, such as pulmonary hypertension, osteoporosis, liver damage, which is also coming up and something which I didn't discuss before, but all patients are talking about this is when they have low hemoglobin, there's low oxygen in the brain. And what the patient typically tells to me that they have brain fog. So they have difficulties with concentrating, and that's also something which is very known in sickle cell disease. If you give the patient more time to do their work and rewrite these letters to their schools, and sometimes they go to college, but it's exceptional they can manage if they get more time. So if they get time and support, they could do it. But Grade 4 is hampering them. And lastly, I guess you know that stroke is a major issue. So these untreated patients, 1/3 will have overt a stroke so at adult age, but there's also a lot of silent strokes if you do MRI in these patients who will find really a lot of changes. So it's affecting. Well, what I say to students, it essentially affects every organ where blood flows. So that's the whole body. I think this brings me to the end. I am very sorry for -- when I skip this slide, because my slide, I can't see the slides anymore at my computer. But I think we come to the conclusion of my talk is that PK deficiency, thalassemia and sickle cell disease, they have different molecular starts of the problem. They are inherited all and whatever the molecular mechanism, the final culprit is that there's a lot of oxidative damage in the red cell and the cell has not enough energy to maintain homeostasis, and this results in hemolysis and this results in anemia, all the downstream complication of hemolysis and in sickle cell disease, we have also indication to the vaso-occlusive complications. But the end for all basis is the same lifelong burden of fatigue, pain and non-social and no participation in society. Thank you very much, and I give the word back to next speaker.
Bruce Car
executiveThank you very much, Dr. van Beers. This Bruce Car in Agios. I'll be talking to you today about the biology of PKR activation. You'll hear many of the concepts that were raised by Dr. van Beers recapitulated and explained a little bit in more depth with respect to the red cell biology in my talk. So moving right along. Could you please move the current slide to slide 30? I'm stuck. Okay. Looks like we're on Slide 30. So you'll be aware that red blood cells deliver oxygen to the tissues carried by hemoglobin, to do so red cells have to squeeze through small capillaries. They maintain a discoid flexible shape. They also do many other things. They scrub the circulation of carbon dioxide. They maintained lad and red cell Ph, and they synthesize high levels of antioxidants, which are necessary to keep hemoglobin iron in the reduced state that allows it to carry oxygen. Then in hemolytic anemia in hereditary and acquired hemolytic anemia, this all goes wrong. Patients with hemolytic anemia have red cells with insufficient ATP. That's the form through which red cells release energy that's required for all of the processes that I just mentioned. So increased energy is required in these abnormal red cells. And red cell shape changes, very unusual shape changes occur that are as shown in this slide, you can see a normal red cell with a lifespan of about 120 days and in the diseases of the red cells to the right, pyruvate kinase deficiency, thalassemia and sickle cell disease. The lifespan of those red cells are anywhere from 1/12 to 1/4 of the lifespan of a normal red cell. This shortened red cell lifespan, as Dr. Van beers mentioned, can lead to chronic fatigue, iron overload and many other very serious complications. And this happens in pyruvate kinase deficiency because that engine for producing ATP energy pyruvate kinase itself is mutated in thalassemia and sickle cell disease, there are increased energy requirements, and there's a relative deficiency of production. So there's a relative deficiency of that pyruvate kinase. PKR, the R isoform a pyruvate kinase is the rate-limiting step for red cell energy production. And it's necessary to maintain a high level -- the appropriate levels of ATP in the red cell. It's very important for helping synthesize antioxidants. I mentioned, which are important for keeping the iron in the reduced state in the circulation. And in particular, regulating 2, 3 DPG levels through the flux in this pathway, you can see here to the left. The regulation of the 2, 3 DPG levels governs the oxygen binding to hemoglobin in hemolytic anemias. 2, 3 DPG levels are very often high in a variety of different acquired and hereditary hemolytic anemias. And PKR is necessary to keep that down. Moving on, mitapivat, our proprietary pyruvate kinase activator has the potential to be the first agent to transform the course of hemolytic anemia by increasing red cell energy, health and longevity. And how does it do that? It does it directly by activating PKR, which increases ATP production. That then matches the red cell energy needs, which are really significantly increased in thalassemia or sickle cell disease. And of course, the production of which is quite deficient where the enzyme itself is deficient. Mitapivat is able through increasing the flux through this pathway to decrease 2, 3 DPG, and that reversibly increases oxygen affinity for hemoglobin. It's a very important concept because this allows us to potentially reduce the sickling in sickle cell disease and the abnormal shape in the red cells of other hemolytic anemias. Very importantly, mitapivat enables the production of increased ATP and the synthesis of antioxygens. And in a variety of preclinical models that have been undertaken in Agios and elsewhere, we've shown that mitapivat is able to reduce the reactive oxygen species and thereby reduce cellular damage. All of this is collectively improving the health of the red cell and increasing its ability to live out at its normal 120 days of life carrying oxygen from the lung to the tissues. There is tremendous potential of pyruvate kinase activation as a biology and biochemical pathway for clinical development. You can see in the graph to the bottom right, Agios was founded in 2008. And beginning at that time with some of the research from our founders, Agios has invested in the biochemistry and biology and have built a deep understanding of this field and invested in this field, both internally and externally. And you can see the number of publications that have resulted from that. We've reached a point. And if you go to the top of this slide, you can see we've achieved clinical proof-of-concept in pyruvate kinase deficiency, the sentinel indication for this work. And in addition, where pyruvate kinase is actually expressed normally and hemoglobin is dysfunctional. We've been able to show clinical proof-of-concept in alpha and beta-thalassemia and sickle cell disease. By extension, and it's very well understood that ATP is deficient and 2, 3 DPG levels are generally high across a variety of hereditary and acquired hemolytic anemias. So there's a certain obviousness to the extension of the indication to a couple of the indications that Dr. Van Beers mentioned earlier this morning, spherocytosis, elliptocytosis and so on. But there are many hereditary and acquired hemolytic anemias, for which there is potential near-term expansion of properties of this particular biology. You'll see a number of other indications supported by the literature on the left-hand side. So not only has Agios worked on PKR biology since its founding in 2008. It is more generally deepened its and the world's understanding of the biology of PK activation, including PKM2, and we've developed compounds that are also highly active against PKM2, and there's much literature and also internal research within Agios that supports strongly indications in chronic kidney disease anemia. So that's another anemia. But beyond that, in musculoskeletal, cardiac, metabolic, neurologic, retinal disease, and also there's a very strong case for the role of PKM2 in cancer. So with that tremendous potential of the biology of PK activation, and we've talked most about PKR activation in hemolytic anemias. I think it's appropriate for us to move on to clinical phase of the presentation, which will be conducted by Dr. Chris Bowden.
Chris Bowden
executive[Technical Difficulty] underpinning the clinical consequences and outcomes from several hemolytic anemias. And Bruce walked you through some biochemistry and then showed you the potential that's here and the future in his last slide. And what I'm going to do now is walk through our 3 programs that he showed on the top of his last slide where we have demonstration of proof-of-concept. And it's a very exciting time for us because we see Agios is having the potential to transform several of these diseases with the fundamental mechanism of increasing red cell energy health and longevity. The core -- one of the fundamental issues with thalassemia, sickle cell and pyruvate kinase deficiency is that red cells die early. So if we can have them live longer and be healthier, we think that can translate to some important clinical benefits for individuals living with pyruvate kinase deficiency, thalassemia and sickle cell disease. Our first indication, however, many years ago, 6 years ago, is pyruvate kinase deficiency. And I will start there. And I'll start with the slide that those of you who have been following us know pretty well, and this slide is really important because it does several things. It demonstrates that activating mutated pyruvate kinase for individuals who have pyruvate kinase deficiency is associated with rapid robust and durable increases in individuals who respond to the drug to mitapivat. So if you look at the panel in the top left, what you're seeing is the increase in hemoglobin that starts within 7 days for responders and stays elevated, and it was a really impactful development when we saw the first demonstration of activity of this drug, raising hemoglobin in responding patients by 2, 3, 4 and 5 grams. And by virtue of activating mutated pyruvate kinase and a fundamental aspect of the program has been to continue to demonstrate the durability of those responses in responding patients. This -- the panel on the right shows a reduction in reticulocytes over time, a very important secondary endpoint -- translational endpoint that we always look at in all of these diseases that supports the mechanism of action and demonstrates reduction of hemolysis and the prolonged lifespan of those red cells. We learned a lot about the genetics of pyruvate kinase deficiency, as shown on the panel on your right. And we demonstrated from our DRIVE PK study that we needed to have at least 1 missense mutation. That is about 80% of the overall population of individuals, who have pyruvate kinase deficiency. And we incorporated that into our ongoing ACTIVATE studies that I will speak to in subsequent slides. I just want to point out that -- again, hammer on that aspect of durability, both from an efficacy perspective, but now we've got patients, who are out 3-plus years, and we continue to follow the safety profile and mitapivat is demonstrating that it has a very manageable and acceptable and excellent safety profile when given as a chronic administration. These data were sufficiently compelling to be published in the New England Journal of Medicine. It was a great accomplishment for our research scientists as well as for the investigators that included Dr. Van Beers. So with that data from Drive PK that I just walked through, we initiated our ACTIVATE studies, pivotal trials to get a global label for adults with pyruvate kinase deficiency. Those who are not regularly transfused as well as those who are regularly transfused. And as Jackie Fouse alluded to in her opening remarks, we will be imminently releasing top line results from the ACTIVATE study. This trial completed accrual, and we're now in the process of cleaning up the data and getting ready to do that analysis. Let me remind you that ACTIVATE is a randomized placebo-controlled trial in 80 patients, who do not receive regular transfusions. With the primary endpoint of the proportion of patients, who achieve at least a 1.5 gram deciliter increase in hemoglobin over baseline that sustained over multiple visits. The ACTIVATE-T study will be releasing top line data for this in the first quarter of next year. So a little bit after ACTIVATE, and it has a longer treatment and follow-up period. This is a study that's open-label, single-arm in 27 regularly transfused adults, who have a minimum annual transfusion requirement. And here, the primary efficacy endpoint is the reduction in transfusion burden of at least 33% over a 6-month period compared to the patient's prior transfusion history when they come on to the study. These trials both roll into an extension phase. And that will allow us to continue to follow them for both safety and long-term efficacy. So this is a very important component, and as Bruce said, the sentinel indication that underpins our PKR activating clinical trial portfolio. I want to spend a few minutes talking about our pediatric PK deficiency studies where the planning is well underway. And what you see here are 2 randomized trial designs in children, who are not regularly transfused as well as those who are regularly transfused. And both of these trials have open-label extension periods. And what we seek to accomplish here will be to demonstrate clinical benefit in children with a diagnosis of pyruvate kinase deficiency. Again, across the broad spectrum of individuals, who have a diagnosis. One of the things that's important, as Eduard van Beers pointed out, is that given the lifelong nature of hemolytic anemias, in this case, pyruvate kinase deficiency, a major goal for us is to improve outcomes. And for individuals as early as possible, and I think you'll get some sense of -- real personal sense of the burden of disease when Tamara Schryver and Christa Kerkorian are talking. This is an important part of our program to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of mitapivat in this population of children. And we're working on a number of factors that we need to pull this together from whether it's getting regulatory input, which has gone very well to developing formulations and other aspects and look forward to being able to provide more details on these trials as we move forward. Let me turn our attention now to thalassemia. This is a very important part of and a fundamental aspect of demonstrating that activating wild-type PKR can bring clinical benefit for individuals with thalassemia, and subsequently, I will also speak to sickle cell disease. And Bruce talked about this aspect of a relative ATP deficiency on the basis of that underlying hemoglobinopathy. We have some preclinical data that you've heard us talk about in the past. And we wanted to see if that data would translate into improvements in hemoglobin and other measures in individuals with thalassemia. And this is our open-label Phase II multicenter trial that we conducted and presented the results for the first time at this year's EHA meeting. A couple of important parts about the inclusion criteria is that we included both beta-thalassemia and alpha-thalassemia patients. We had a great group of advisers, who were working with us, and they pointed out that patients with alpha-thalassemia have no approved drugs, and this is an important group of individuals with an unmet medical need just like those with beta-thalassemia. The primary endpoint of this pilot study, proof-of-concept study was to demonstrate a hemoglobin increase of at least 1 gram per deciliter at any time in the first 4 to 12-week dosing period. And a number of secondary and exploratory endpoints that you can see on the slide were also set up and of course, understanding safety is a critical aspect that while we have data for 3-plus years in patients with pyruvate kinase deficiency that is very compelling and encouraging. We want to continue to build that safety database for -- in these individuals since we anticipate that chronic therapy will be indicated. You can see the study design below at the bottom of the slide after a 42-day screening period, patients started at 50 milligrams of mitapivat orally. And then at the 6-week mark were escalated to 100 milligrams. All patients who entered the study did get escalated to 100 milligrams. The total sample size is 20 patients, and you can see that like all of our trials -- Agios sponsored trials we implement an extension period so that patients, who are benefiting can continue to receive the drug, and we can continue to capture important efficacy and safety data. What you see here is the demographics and disposition data from our publication at the European Hematology Association Virtual Meeting that was conducted this summer, and you see the baseline characteristics for 18 patients non-transfusion-dependent. As one would expect, it looks very similar to other trials in this space. If you take your eyes down to the middle of the table on your left, you can see we had 5 patients with alpha-thalassemia and 13 with beta-thalassemia. They were all anemic. It was required that you have a hemoglobin less than 10 to come on to the study. And of course, there was evidence of hemolysis by virtue of their findings on indirect bilirubin LDH with an EPO, erythropoietin as well. And you can see on the right is the disposition slide -- we -- with 18 patients enrolled by March 2020. 13 had completed week 12, so they were able to do -- be put in the primary analysis and 9 had completed the 24-week 6-month dosing period. 8 of those patients had entered the extension and one did not. So moving to the next slide then. This is the primary endpoint, hemoglobin data. And you can see in the top row for the endpoint that 92% of patients, 12 out of 13 had a hemoglobin response of 1 gram or greater in that 4 to 12-week period. Now you can see that the hemoglobin response is sustained because as you move down, you can see that the next row shows hemoglobin responders during the 12 to 24-week period, and that includes only those patients who completed the 24-week period. So when we presented these data, not all the patients had made it that far. And then what about the roll-up at the bottom, you see the breakout according to several different ways of looking at the information, whether based on the type of thalassemia and the duration of actually being on study. And this shows the mean change from baseline for hemoglobin. So for all patients, all 13, it was 1.3 grams. If you take your eye down to 1, 2, 3, the fourth row, you see the beta-thalassemia responders had a mean change from baseline of 1.6 grams per deciliter and all responders in the 4 to 12-week period almost 1.5 grams. So this is very encouraging and compelling data that gave us proof-of-concept and is driving us to initiate our Phase III studies next year. As you heard me say with pyruvate kinase deficiency, secondary endpoints that allow us to investigate the impact that mitapivat is having on hemolysis are critical. And so we pay a lot of attention to indirect bilirubin, LDH, erythropoietin and other markers. And this slide demonstrated that we were increasing anemia by addressing the underlying mechanism of action that is improving the lifespan, the longevity and health of red cells, such that they would live longer, improving ineffective erythropoiesis and thereby reducing hemolysis. Safety was consistent with our experience with mitapivat to date. We had some Grade 1 and Grade 2 adverse events. There were no serious adverse events leading to treatment discontinuation. Importantly, the increase in dose from 50 to 100 milligrams was well tolerated, which is what we expected from our DRIVE PK experience in patients with pyruvate kinase deficiency, where we studied a range of doses from between 50 to 300 milligrams BID. Again, emphasizing the wealth of experience we have with mitapivat across a number of indications from an efficacy, safety and translational market perspective. Post data cut, we had 1 serious adverse event of renal dysfunction, which is reported, and that resolved upon treatment discontinuation. These data are summarized on the next slide. Here, and this is the first clinical study that evaluated PKR activation as a therapeutic option for both alpha and beta-thalassemia. We demonstrated proof-of-concept with that greater than 90% of patients meeting the primary endpoint, demonstration of activity in patients with alpha-thalassemia, sustained hemoglobin responses, a well tolerated and acceptable safety profile, and that is now moving us into initiating Phase III studies in transfusion-dependent as well as non-transfusion-dependent individuals with both alpha and beta-thalassemia. We're working on putting those pivotal plans together and we will disclose further details at an ASH event that we're going to be having in just a few weeks' time. With that, let me spend the last couple of minutes of my time on sickle cell disease, another important area with patients with individuals across the world with a high unmet need. And it's very exciting to see the new therapies that have come on and are becoming available to individuals with sickle cell disease, whether it's gene therapy, voxelotor, the P-selectin inhibitor from Novartis. At the same time, we understand from talking to clinicians, patients that there's still an unmet need and an important disease-modifying therapy can bring improved clinical benefit and improve outcomes for patients, and we plan on demonstrating that and working through that. It started with and is ongoing with our NIH study, that's being run by Dr. Swee Lay Thein, who's the chief of the sickle cell branch at the National Institutes of Health. This is a busy slide. And the top trial design is what was initially implemented. And then if you look at on the bottom design, you can see where we are now. And that is adults with sickle cell disease undergo screening period, they enter the trial. And then over the course of 8 weeks, are treated with 4 successively higher doses of mitapivat, starting at 5 milligrams and finishing at 100 milligrams. Importantly, along the way, we are checking laboratory parameters, including hemoglobin and secondary endpoints and then also looking at pharmacokinetics and safety, of course. At the end of the 2-week 100-milligram dosing period, individuals undergo a dose taper and then are followed up for 28 days. This is our first trial in individuals with sickle cell disease. So the primary endpoint -- primary outcome measure was to understand the safety by looking at the frequency and severity of adverse events and also looking at changes in laboratory parameters that I just spoke to and that you see outlined on the slide. Important secondary measures include looking at exposure of mitapivat across these increasing doses and looking at changes in 2, 3 DPG, PK-R, ATP, as well as understanding what's happening with oxygen dissociation. And so this is going to be an important aspect as we've been trying to understand what relationships we can glean between exposure, pharmacodynamics and then clinical outcomes. We presented some top line data at the EHA meeting virtual meeting in the summer as well, in addition to our thalassemia data, where 7 of 8 efficacy evaluable patients had a hemoglobin increase, and 5 of those 8 patients had a hemoglobin increase greater than a gram from baseline at doses of 50 milligrams BID or lower. And we also saw associated improvements in hemolytic markers. We also saw important decreases in 2, 3 DPG and increases in ATP and sickling and oxygen dissociation assays were consistent with decreases in both sickling and hemoglobin polymerization. The safety profile was consistent with what we've previously reported with mitapivat. We had a VOC during the drug taper in the first part of the study, and what we did that was possibly attributed to mitapivat. So we increased the taper period slightly and -- in order to address that. That was high top line data. And the NIH team is -- we'll be presenting the first -- making the first presentation at a medical meeting of the data from this trial at the virtual ASH meeting that's coming up in a couple of weeks' time. This is the table that they provided in their abstract, and this provides some insight into why we declared proof-of-concept and are moving forward with mitapivat and individuals with sickle cell disease. A lot of data here. Pharmacodynamic and sickling measures as well as clinical laboratory measures that you hear us talk about in the setting of hemolytic anemias, whether it's hemoglobin, or reticulocyte counts, bilirubin, LDH and MCV, a marker of some interest in the sickle cell disease community, demonstrating that we're seeing effects that we would expect to see with mitapivat in this patient population, including increases in hemoglobin. So at this point in time, we're looking forward to that presentation. And we'll be updating data on 11 patients that the NIH will be updating in their oral presentation at ASH. We have proof-of-concept, and the study is ongoing with a planned sample size of 15 to 25 subjects, who have completed 6 to 8 weeks of treatment. And we are -- like with thalassemia, we're working very hard to initiate our pivotal trials next year. So thank you again for your time and for your attendance today. And it's a really great privilege now to turn the webinar over to Christa Kerkorian, who's our Director of Patient Advocacy and Tamara Schryver, guest speaker. What you'll do is -- what you'll take away from this is how we're working on clinical trials in populations of individuals with pyruvate kinase deficiency, because we want to address and improve outcomes for individuals. And so with that, let me turn it over to you, Christa, to take us into the next part.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveThank you, Chris, and good morning, everybody. It is my pleasure, my privilege to be here and introduce our special guest, Tamara Schryver, who is joining us to give us a glimpse into her life so that we all can have a better understanding of what it's like to live with PKD. So thank you, and welcome, Tamara.
Tamara Schryver
attendeeThank you.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveAnd as you sit here today, you are at 51 years old. But let's go start at the beginning. Can you share with us what you know about your condition, when you were born and what led to your diagnosis with PKD?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeSure. When I was born, basically, the doctor and my parents knew that something was wrong or But they didn't know what was wrong. They know -- they knew that I had a low hemoglobin and that it was really jaundice, but they didn't really have any idea. I had 2 blood transfusions at the time, but other than that, they just weren't able to diagnose it.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveOkay. And then finally, a few years later, you got sick and ended up in the hospital. What happened with that?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. Basically, I got a cold that I couldn't get over. So I was basically getting -- going into a hemolytic crisis. And so I ended up in the hospital. Again, they were doing more blood tests. And at that time, they sent my blood to Rochester Mail. And that's where they were able to make the diagnosis of PKD.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveAnd how old were you at that time?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI was 6 years old when that happened.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveOkay. Okay. So what can you tell us about what it was like to grow up with PKD?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI actually had a really good family. So I do want to just put that out there, and I do have some good memories, but I do have a lot of medical trauma. And I think just starting from all the appointments that I had every 3 months, I would go see the doctor, and he would do my height and weight and then ask a series of questions just to see how I was developing. I took folic acid. At the time, there was really no therapeutic intervention for me. It was just watching me to see how it's doing. They were also -- I was developing gallbladder stones or started gallstones. And so I was managing those, which were very, very painful. And then my spleen was growing large. So they were trying to figure out whether or not to remove my spleen, which we didn't do until I was 26. So there's a lot of just watching and managing. But I did get my gallbladder removed when was 13. And then like I said, I did get my spleen removed when I was 26. So it was -- go ahead.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveI was just going to say, can you tell us a little bit about socially, emotionally during childhood and adolescence, what that was like for you?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. I think that was really difficult. It's one thing not to be able to run and do physical activities with your friend because you're too tired and you just can't. But the hard part was just being jaundiced. And so kids in the class -- I remember one time in fourth grade, one of the classmates that told everybody else that I had hepatitis and it really set me back for about 2 years in terms of not having any friends. Nobody would play with me. I had a lot of unwanted attention that I could go into detail about, but just people asking me, why I was yellow or trying to prey over me or trying to ask me where I got the drugs I got. So there was the unwanted attention really, I basically developed a eating disorder during my childhood and high school years. So it was tough. So it was really tough.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveAnd so all this time going through childhood adolescence, you're seeing your hematologist every few months being monitored. Can you tell us about when you mentioned you had your spleen removed in your 20s. And I know that was a time that kind of triggered a lot of other complications. Can you tell us just what you went through?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. So when I was at 26, I had my spleen removed. And the idea was that it would elevate my hemoglobin, which is normally between 7 and 8. And I developed a portal vein clot and first of all, my spleen was 5x the size of a normal spleen and I had an additional spleen on top of that. And then I developed a portal vein clot that grew -- I now had esophageal varices and it sort of cut off the -- my intestinal health. And so that took -- and then I had a lot of scar tissue from all the abdominal surgeries that I had afterwards. So basically, the outcome of that was, I really have a lot of problems with my eating and with intestines. I also developed scar tissue. I was unable to have biological children and I have esophageal varices that are banded quite regularly. So that was a pretty tough time for myself and my family.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveCan you tell us more about that? So you're in your 20s and your 30s and all these complications are layering on top of each other with PKD underlying all of it. What was your life like at that time?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI was pretty active. I was a student, who was getting my Ph.D., and I was working on my career in nutrition. It was a year out of my life, basically, where I was at home disabled I wasn't working. So it took a long time to get to recover into develop my intestinal tract. I just had constant diarrhea, and I lost quite a bit of weight. And so it was really hard to recover from that. And yes -- go ahead.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveYes. So I think that -- you throw in there that and you got your Ph.D., while you were dealing all this with I think -- which I think is remarkable for a person without a blood disorder. How did you -- what did you have to adjust in your life to get through...
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI was highly, highly regimented. I really only lived -- live, eat and sleep at my school. That was it. I wasn't married at the time. It was either school or sleep, school or sleep. That was it. Very highly disciplined and I had no kids, I had no other responsibilities. So I was able to focus on just that, but it was a very -- I had 1 hour free time a day to myself. That was it. Other than that, I would be sleeping. My life consist -- at that time, I could sleep less. So I could sleep 8 to 9 hours a day. Now I sleep 10 to 12 hours a day as I'm getting older, it's getting tougher.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveOkay. Okay. And so you mentioned you weren't married at that time. And today, you are married. You and your husband have adopted 2 beautiful children. Tell us about what your life is like a little bit more today.
Tamara Schryver
attendeeUnfortunately, I'm not working full time. I've been -- I just don't have the energy to do it. I don't have -- I tried to work 4 days a week, but I was having problems with -- I started to develop atrial fibrillation, and that over the process of about 10 years, I just got to the point where I was in a hospital so many times getting cardioverted and then would have cardio ablations then I finally got a pacemaker. So the pacemaker has been existing. But it's been a tough -- it's between that and just the fatigue, I haven't been able to work full time. So my life is basically just trying to manage my time each day and my children's requirements.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveSo you had mentioned to me when we spoke previously that the -- your decision to basically give up the career that you had worked so hard for had to do with fatigue and brain fog really just taking their toll and making it impossible. Can you just -- let's just start with fatigue. Can you describe for us what it's like to have fatigue when you have PKD?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. We've had this discussion a few times. There's a -- I mean, there's just not enough work to describe fatigue in the PKD world. There are so many different types of fatigue. But I think a few ways that I describe it is, if I've had enough rest, then a normal PKD day looks like -- and just kind of like I've got -- right now I've brain fog -- that I have weights on my chest and weights on my feet, and I'm just kind of having to pull those through my day. So it's just added weights or it just feels like I'm in quicksand, and I'm trying to get out of the quicksand. And then I think another really good analogy, which I'm experiencing right now. It's just like the Energizer Bunny. Like you're like, dude, dude, I'm going so fast, I feel so good. And then just within a matter of 2 to 3 hours, it's like boom. I'm undone. I have no more energy. I'm going down, and I need to rest and recuperate to get back to my normal self.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveYes. And it's -- I even know -- in knowing you over the last year or so, that it's your brain. Like, can you say what you said to me like your brain wants you to keep going. But what happens?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. I just feel drugged. I mean, I just feel like I can't put words together. I can't write an e-mail. I don't sound coherent. I forget conversations that I'm in. I forget conversations that I've had. I'm not able to keep up the high workload, which was a primary reason that I left work was I just couldn't keep up. I fell asleep in a meeting, which was an horribly embarrassing and got back to my boss. So I was just constantly behind. And I was like a really smart person, who was not able to be smart anymore. So it was a pretty -- you just felt like a loser. But that feeling goes away when you get enough sleep, it's just that you constant -- it's like this and you sleep, now I'm awake and happy. Now I sleep. Now I'm awake and happy. I am asleep and now I'm awake and happy, and it's just this constant cycle of needing sleep to rejuvenate.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveCan you tell us about -- so especially over the last 5 or 10 years, what your PKD care, your health care has been like? Have you continued on the same regimen that you had previously? Or what's changed?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeYes. So I am currently seeing 2 different doc, 2 different hematologists. I know that there are other PKD patients that get some really aggressive care with transfusions. My doctors are very, very conservative about transfusions. In the last 2 years, we've been able to agree that if my hemoglobin gets below 8, I can get a transfusion. So in the last 2 years, I've probably had 4 transfusions each year, but it is like pulling teeth to get a transfusion. And I understand that part of it is the scarcity of blood with the coronavirus. But the other part of it is I do have iron overload in addition to that. And I know that they're really concerned about any more iron overload obviously. And it's just like even we have this agreement. If my hemoglobin is below 8 like right now, it's 7.3, I have a cold, and my doctor will not agree to a transfusion. And it's like -- I don't know what the magical word is to get a transfusion, but it's -- they're pretty tight with the blood. And blood transfusions have been pretty helpful in the past or when I do get them. And then the other thing was I was on EPO for about 1.5 years, and that was helpful. So like the EPO and the transfusions together were like nirvana, it was great. But the EPO was sequestering too much iron in my liver, so I had to go off the EPO. So it's been sort of a battle right now to get the right type of care. It's hard because there are no standards of care. So my doctors are being very conservative because of the iron overload, and it's really affecting my personal life and my quality of life because they're being conservative. So it's really -- it's been really frustrating. I mean they are good doctors, but it's just -- it's really frustrating.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveHow has it been for you and your family through all of this? You mentioned your quality of life. How is it for you as a family unit?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI -- when I'm feeling good, I'm like the mom. I'm the glue, I keep everything together. But when I don't feel good, which is like I'm in bed 12 hours a day, well, let's say, a few minus eight, that's reasonable. And then there's 4 extra hours a day that I'm in bed plus naps. I'm not there for them. I'm not there to make dinner. And I'm not there to take them to their appointments. I'm not there to make those connections, those love connections, those phone calls, those, hey, how are you doing or to check on homework and homework is a big deal right, now because it's online. And I just -- I don't have the time and I don't have the brainpower to navigate online homework right now. So it's been -- I feel like I'm letting them down, and I feel like I'm letting me down. It's been rough.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveYes. I think that kind of brings me to my next question, which is about what you hope for the future for yourself and for other people with PKD?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI mean I was told that pyruvate kinase would never be researched, and there would be never be a drug that would be developed for it. I am so thrilled that this is going on. I hope that, first of all, that there is medication that is developed to help treat patients. I think that's so important for the quality of life. And then I think that we need standards of care so that there's uniform standards that everybody no matter where they live, if they're rural or in the city or international are getting the same treatment and that, of course, that we're able to access it and pay for it. So I just feel like it's important work that you're doing, and it's so encouraging because like I said, I was told that would never never happen. And so thank you, thank you very much.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveAnd well, thank you, and let me just wrap up with 1 last question about -- can you -- if there was -- if there's any one thing that you wish people understood about living with PKD. What would you like to leave us with today?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeI think that people can get really hung up on what is the right hemoglobin level to transfuse at or to like what is the optimal. And certainly, that's important as a baseline. And each person has their own range. But I think it's also to important to understand that, one, you had to push that -- even small pushes like 1 to 2 grams per deciliter are meaningful and add to the quality of life. So I really feel like there's preventative care like we're going to avoid a crisis and then there's quality of life care. And that's really where we need to start looking at is what is the quality of life care that we can provide for PKD patients.
Christa Kerkorian
executiveOkay. Thank you. Thank you so much Tamara for being here and for sharing your life with us. I will go ahead and hand it over now to my colleagues, Darrin Miles, who is the Head of U.S. Commercial and Global marketing. Thank you again, Tamara.
Tamara Schryver
attendeeThank you. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you.
Darrin Miles
executive[Technical Difficulty] focus on basic disease education. Compared to other disease areas, especially as it relates to conveying the true burden of disease for these patients. And furthermore, it takes greater focus on working with the physician and patient advocacy community to identify these patients, who often go way too long -- oops I'm seem to be having a bit of a bandwidth issue here -- but these patients often go way too long without being accurately identified. And that's much of the work that we're focusing on here at Agios. And as Chris stated earlier, we believe mitapivat has the potential to be transformative for these patients with a range of hemolytic anemias. Based on the clinical profile that's not only effective but well differentiated from existing and potential emerging treatments. And I think this graphic that's on the this slide in front of you is a simplified view of the framework we employ to organize our thinking about the market for mitapivat and hemolytic anemias. I think note that the -- that starting with the pyruvate kinase deficiency and extending to sickle cell and thalassemia the magnitude of unmet medical need remains high despite the newer treatment options that are available in some of these settings. And we also benefit from the overlap of the physician community, right? So it's the same hematologist treating these patients with PKD, sickle cell and thal. This is particularly important since we will have built long-standing relationships with this community, who will have great familiarity and comfort with mitapivat and Agios as we bring [Technical Difficulty] now the notion of deep relationships being a competitive advantage [Technical Difficulty] and we work with the community to refine and confirm our understanding of the prevalent PKD population, which we estimate to be between 3,000 to 8,000 in the U.S. and the 5 EU, maybe as high as 10,000 when we include all of the EU. They work with us in a number of ways to better characterize this otherwise poorly understood disease and to help capture the patient journey much of this time as shared with us earlier. And in the setting of PKD, we anticipate the data will show not just a meaningful impact on controlling chronic hemolysis and the associated comorbidities, but that the clinical benefit will translate into a meaningful improvement in quality of life. And an avoidance of the complications often associated with current treatment approaches. And we think all of that will be transformative for this population. Also I think that fundamental to successfully commercializing mitapivat in PKD is engaging the physician and the patient community to evaluate the relationship between this constellation of comorbidities associated with the disease, to truly understand and communicate the value or communicate the true burden of living with PKD. And I think this sets the stage for us to demonstrate the true value of mitapivat in terms of the treatment outcomes and the health economic impact, which are both essential for developing the value proposition, important for payors and some health authorities. These relationships, not only with physicians and patients, but [Technical Difficulty] dedicated to raising awareness of the disease, the need to accurately identify and take action once effective treatments are available. So this has been the bulk of the cross-functional work, I think, executed to date and in the lead up to approval. And so all of this is based on the notion that Agios is committed to becoming a trusted partner in the fight against this disease. So our commitment starts with improving our and the community's understanding of the patient journey, which in the case of rare diseases is often poorly understood as we've been mentioned often today. I think essential to that is understanding how the disease develops, how it manifests in patients over time and provides the foundation for further clinical development, as Chris walked through. I think starting in 2013, in partnership with Boston Children's Hospital, Agios initiated a comprehensive registry to assess the scope and incidence of symptoms, treatments and complications related to PKD. A number of you are familiar with that. We then extended those work in 2018 with the addition of the PEAK Registry, which is also a global longitudinal noninterventional study of PK deficiency. But with the objective of integrating the natural history study, with additional patients and longer follow-up across an expanded geography. I think these studies are crucial for tracking the development of PKD over time and have established our understanding of the demographic, genetic and other clinical variables, which correlate with the disease and outcomes. I think PEAK also provides a global repository for potential data from other PKD related studies, which ultimately can support aggregate analyses over time. So talking more about Agios as a trusted partner. We've been dedicated to becoming that partner with the physician and the patient community for some time. And it's been evidenced by the active engagement that we've had with numerous domestic and international nonmalignant hematology working groups and patient organizations as illustrated on this slide. I think one of the critical roles we can play supporting the free exchange of learnings amongst the developing network of international experts. And we've shared insights gathered from the natural history study with a number of physician groups, who are interested in developing consensus guidelines for the diagnosis and management of patients with PKD. Groups such as the MCGRE in France, [ with our ] pathology group in Spain have developed such guidelines for their communities and can be leveraged internationally. I think similar engagements ongoing through societies like ASH and EHA. And there was a U.S.-based KOL, shared at a steering committee we recently held as regards to education and diagnosis of PKD stated, Agios owns it. This is sort of the fruit of the work -- of the effort that we've invested here to really engage -- appropriately engage the community. We've also placed a spotlight on the need for better patient advocacy support and inclusion of the patient voice and health authority interactions, much of the work that's been led by Christa, who you just met. And Agios has been active in supporting the development of networks between international rare disease advocates in hemolytic anemia, investigators, patients, caregivers, like-minded individuals who are interested and focusing on PKD and patient needs. Now momentum is building, and you'll begin to see more of the fruit of these efforts in -- over the course of 2021. And in the U.S. specifically, Agios supported NORD's efforts to host the first externally-led PKD patient-focused drug development meeting with FDA, with over 60 patients and their caregivers in attendance in addition to others. This was a great opportunity for the PKD community to communicate directly to the FDA, their lived experience with PKD. The daily burden of the disease and their preferences and hopes for potential treatments. And when FDA administrator described the gathering as I quote, "a potential watershed moment for the PKD community." And the session resulted in the development of a preliminary benefit-risk framework for future PKD treatments potentially under review by the agency -- for consideration by the agency, ultimately. And this experience, I think, also activated the patient community, who were involved, who are now working with NORD and others on developing their own PKD focused foundation with NORD support. So the FDA meeting reflected the power of the collective PKD community, advocating for themselves with decisions -- with decision-makers in particular. And this is an essential step for orphan diseases. But it alone is not sufficient, right? So education and awareness is important, but only to the extent that it establishes the urgency to diagnose. And this is where we are now appropriately focused. I think under-diagnosis is a significant challenge for these patients. And our focus has been on driving the differential past the diagnosis of hemolytic anemia by focusing on education on the burden of disease on outcomes and the need to test further. Appropriately removing the barrier of testing is critical to this effort. So we've revamped our testing efforts to reach even more physicians and our work is twofold. First, we engage with physicians, who have already diagnosed patients, who -- and I think up to date, we've identified between the U.S. and the EU, about 1,000 patients, and that work is ongoing. But our second sort of book of work is also focused on driving the differential to make sure that we diagnose those patients who are sometimes lost in the shuffle and support testing where appropriate. I think while some are identified today, most are not, because the communities had little incentive to move beyond a diagnosis of hemolytic anemia. I think through education, raising awareness, of support -- the support that we're providing for testing, and we can support the community in accurately identifying more patients with the correct diagnosis. I think we're encouraged that our work is making a difference in better understanding the true prevalence of the disease by what we've observed in a number of different settings, right? We've supported an IST in Spain, which offered next-gen sequencing for patients with hereditary anemias in Madrid. We screened about 84 samples with 25% identified as PKD patients. And I think these data were recently presented at a Spanish hematology meeting. This also mirrored what we've observed with our ongoing testing program in the U.S., right, through ARUP, which has been largely with academics. Physicians submitted samples of patients with unknown hereditary anemia and also showed 25% patients identified with the PK-R gene. I think our experience with these programs gives us greater confidence in our estimation of the true prevalence of the disease, but more is required here. So for an orphan population, I think, with a long-term chronic disease, patient education support is essential. And we're fortunate that with some adjustments. The sort of long-term support required can be fairly easily layered on top of the infrastructure we already have built for our oncology treatments through a program called myAgios. In this setting, we apply even greater sensitivity and focus to the development of educational materials, consideration of the numerous touch points we'll have with these patients and their caregivers, even before the approval of mitapivat. Pre-approval, we're raising disease awareness, reducing testing barriers, improving overall disease management. Those are our key objectives. Upon approval, we'll continue those efforts along with testing support, but then we add treatment specific education, support for reimbursement, access and adherence. So before we move on to sickle cell and thal, I want to share just a couple of thoughts related to the potential competition in PKD, which is potentially gene therapy. And by their own count, I think gene therapy is likely to be positioned for the most severe patients. And it's been reported that the population could be limited to about 250 to 500 patients between the U.S. and the EU, including those patients with a double non-missense mutations, who wouldn't otherwise be treated with mitapivat anyway. So gene therapy, we're successful in this setting. I think the community will need to consider the potential for sequencing treatments for that small portion of the overall patient population where we potentially would overlap. I think based on our anticipated profile for mitapivat, which you see here on the left-hand side of the screen, I think we may well decide -- they, the physician community, may well decide that one would need to fail the PK activator before offering gene therapy as represented in a recent paper on management of patients with PKD by Rachael Grace and colleagues published in Blood, I believe, in September or so. So now let's turn our attention to thal and sickle cell, right. And I think as I've mentioned at the start of the segment, the work that we're doing in PKD will lay the groundwork, important groundwork for the launch of mitapivat for the treatment of alpha and beta thal and sickle cell, particularly given the overlapping prescriber and advocacy communities. I think in beta and alpha thalassemia, a substantially larger population than PKD, we anticipate that mitapivat's ability to both reduce hemolysis and improve ineffective erythropoiesis in both populations will be important differentiators, which can have a clinically meaningful impact on transfusion burden, the need for other supportive therapies and severe chronic fatigue, potentially leading to improved quality of life for patients. Now let's take a look at the overall profile for -- expected profile for mitapivat. I think what you see on the left-hand side here is a very high level, simplified view of what we expect to see from mitapivat in the treatment of thalassemia, both the nontransfusion-dependent and transfusion-dependent populations. And on the right, we have the prioritized number of desired treatment attributes physicians tell us they want in future medicines. So as you can see, reduced transfusion burden, improved hemoglobin and convenience that can -- that often can result in improved compliance are of greatest importance to this community. And I think on all of these, we expect mitapivat will compare favorably relative to competitors, particularly given the impact of improving hemolytic anemia and ineffective erythropoiesis on transfusions and improved hemoglobin. Not to mention the benefit of a convenient oral treatment versus physician-administered and -- physician office-administered options. Now add that -- add to that the demonstrated efficacy that we would expect in both beta and alpha thalassemia and I think we're highly differentiated. Now let's turn our attention to sickle cell. I think in this disease, which is a substantially larger patient population than both PKD and thalassemias, I think we have the same themes we saw on thal and PKD. We have the same treating physicians, sort of this continued unmet need despite the availability of newer options. And in this market, we believe mitapivat's dual modality with improvement in hemolytic anemia and impact on sickling will distinguish it significantly from potential competition. Now here, we have the simplified product profile on the left-hand side, much like we saw on thal, and the desired attributes for sickle cell disease treatments, as told to us by physicians, on the right. So reducing VOCs, right, and the resulting, hopefully, decrease in the need for hospitalization, improving hemolysis and hemoglobin levels are all the attributes we expect to observe with mitapivat as monotherapy and are potentially highly differentiating given the limitations of existing and emerging treatments. And then we also see that the work that we're doing in PKD, partnership with the physician community, partnership with patient advocacy groups, will also benefit us as we extend or bring new indications for mitapivat to market. So as we progress the clinical development programs in thal and sickle cell, we'll continue these partnerships, extending it further into thal and sickle cell disease networks. I think one way we've begun to do that is by supporting the development of coalitions between the PKD, sickle cell and thal advocates and the industry to explore opportunities to focus on shared unmet needs and amplify their collective voices to advance their interest. And I think this is where the work in establishing Agios as a trusted partner in PKD is incredibly important to our future success in these other hemolytic anemias. But before we end, there's a bit more. I think it's important that we not only focus on the major markets, right, so much of what you've seen in terms of patient populations we focused on, on the U.S. and the 5 EU, but in fact, the greatest need and opportunity for mitapivat extends far beyond the major markets and becomes an attractive opportunity for potential partners. And when we consider those rest of world markets with favorable pricing and reimbursement mechanisms, such as the Middle East, Asia, Brazil, Greece and elsewhere, we believe mitapivat has blockbuster potential that approaches what we anticipate in the U.S. and the EU. And this also puts us in a stronger position to be able to find mechanisms to make it available in other geographies of high unmet needs. So if you take nothing else away from our time, I think at the very least, remember that the opportunity for mitapivat is substantial, both in terms of meeting patient need and commercial potential. We're focused on deepening and broadening the understanding of this disease and the community and supporting the improvement of accurate diagnosis of these patients and appropriately supporting the organization, the physician and patient communities as they advocate for the treatment of this disease. And though there are meaningful differences between the 3 diseases, there are many important similarities as well, which I think position Agios well for an exceptional launch of mitapivat in PKD and eventual expansion into other hemolytic anemias. And in so doing, it's transforming lives and will transform Agios as well. So I think with that, I'm going to thank you for your time, and I'll turn it over to Jackie. Jackie?
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveThanks, Darrin. So let me just stop real quickly and thank all of our panelists. Everybody did a terrific job. We hope those of you in the audience have enjoyed the different sections of the presentation today. So we -- Dr. van Beers, terrific. Thank you so much. Tamara, we can never thank a patient enough for spending time with us and sharing your experiences with us, especially when those experiences are so difficult in terms of life experiences compared to what most of the rest of us have to deal with in our lives. So thank you very much for that. Christa, Chris, Bruce, Darrin, terrific job. So we -- I'm going to just do a quick summary on the -- I'm the one who's supposed to click it. There we go -- on the next slide for our audience in terms of some of the significant catalysts that we have coming up. As Darrin said right at the end of his comments, he used the word transformational for patients as well as for Agios. So we are on the brink of moving into our first approved medicine for a noncancer indication. It remains within our core expertise in hematology. We're very excited about this and about continuing to demonstrate the productivity of our terrific scientists and the cellular metabolism-grounded research platform that we have built over time. So we have a number of catalysts coming up, as we mentioned at the beginning of this time, and I'm just going to reiterate it a little bit to make sure that all of you who are watching us don't miss anything as we move forward over the next weeks and months. We think we have a drug in mitapivat that can be a blockbuster drug across a variety of hemolytic anemias. We have a broad portfolio that we're continuing to explore, and over time, you'll hear more about that. Mitapivat may be the first potentially disease-modifying drug for pyruvate kinase deficiency, and we're very proud of that. We're proud of what we think we're going to bring to the treatment options for these patients. We have run a global clinical development program. And so we will be able to file in both the U.S. and EU almost simultaneously and that will come in 2021, and then we'll expect approvals in both of those geographies in 2022. We are also, with mitapivat potentially the first-in-class therapy for both beta and alpha thalassemia, we're the first company to produce clinical data for alpha thalassemia patients, and we're very proud of that as well. And we may also be the first-in-class therapy for sickle cell disease. Both of those indications are moving into pivotal development in 2021 as you heard from the team today. And as you heard from Darrin and others and certainly, Dr. van Beers can speak to that as well, every -- all of the work that we're doing is highly synergistic across these different indications as we bring this treatment option to hemolytic anemias in general. So even though you have the specifics associated with each disease and indication, what we're building at Agios in terms of our platform to serve hemolytic anemia patients has quite a few synergies across it in terms of relationships and the experiences that we're developing up to now. So with that, I am going to, I think, open it up for Q&A. One last thing, and maybe somebody wants to ask Dr. van Beers a question about this, but when Tamara described her experience, I think that she has been generally characterized as having mild PKD. So you might imagine, based on what you've heard from Tamara, what it would be like for a person that has what would be defined as severe PKD. So again, grateful to all of our panelists. Thank you to the audience for joining us, and we're now going to open it up for Q&A, I believe. Please feel free to ask questions on any...
Unknown Executive
executive[Operator Instructions]
Operator
operatorAnd our first question comes from Mohit Bansal of Citigroup.
Mohit Bansal
analystSo a question for treating physicians. I mean when we talk to doctors, oftentimes what we see about PKD is that I treat one patient, I treat 2 patients and I -- it's hard -- it's very rare I see a PKD patient. So I mean Darrin also mentioned that the diagnosis is low. So why is that, if there are 3,000 to 8,000 patients out there, why the diagnostics is low and oftentimes, it is misdiagnosed as anemia? So what -- so I know, Darrin, you are doing a lot of work there. But can you help me understand how the physicians would probably diagnose this more often than they are right now?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeThank you for your question...
Darrin Miles
executiveOh, I'm sorry, Dr. van Beers. You go ahead. I was going to call you.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeSo I think that if a patient has a lot of problems but doesn't need transfusion, then sometimes they are -- isn't [ follow up ] very much and that -- and physician doesn't treat the complications and wait until there's too many complications to treat. So that's one of the problems. The other problem is that diagnosis was very difficult. So even in expert centers in Stanford, there was one of the people who's working on the office [ of Bill Wader ] and he was in his 60s and he was diagnosed by [ Bill Wader ] with PKD very late on despite having many complications. So it's hard to diagnose. But this will change because what is now going on is patients with undiagnosed anemia, they will get gene panels. That's the future. And then it gets very easy because they all have a gene problem and pops up right away. So that's what you see also from the Spanish experience, so 25% undiagnosed anemia, they have PKD. So there's a lot of undiagnosed, but this will change very rapidly and especially when there's drug available because one of the arguments was, "Oh, there's no drug. So why should I follow these patients? I can't do anything for them."
Mohit Bansal
analystGot it. Got it. If I can -- if I may ask one more for Darrin. So you have this effort in AML where you are talking to some hematologists though they are treating cancers. How much it is leverageable for diseases like sickle cell and PKD? And if there are some overlap there, if you can help me understand that.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeYou mean AML? Can you hear me?
Darrin Miles
executiveYes. Dr. van Beers, I think he's asking, do you often see -- how often do you see these patients, nonmalignant heme patients, being managed by oncologists, by [ heme docs ], as opposed to [indiscernible]?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeWell, I think that's something which still happens in a lot of hospitals. But especially in the EU, European Commission, they made directives, there are European laws, and they're really pushing for expert centers where dedicated doctors like me treat patients. And I think also new medications will only become available via these centers, which are appointed by health ministries. And this also has big funding implications for academia. So academia will be very challenged to get these patients in because it's about their funding. So we have -- in [ MEMS ], for instance, we have something we call academic charge for what we do. So if I just treat regular hematology, I don't get my bills paid. So I have to go for rare diseases, which academia excels in. And that will drive treatment in the future in the European Union.
Darrin Miles
executiveYes. And I think in the U.S., maybe just to speak to the other side of it, there is a fair amount of overlap between the sites that we call on today for our oncology program and where we believe a number of these patients are also being -- a number of heme patients are being managed. The commercialization effort, though, is different. The kind -- the level of engagement, the amount of education is substantially different than what we have -- what we would normally do for oncology. And so -- but it doesn't require a huge commercial investment, right? So we're going to have feet on the ground over the course of the next year. And it's only going to be a fraction of the size of our current oncology sales team, which is already quite modestly sized at about 30 representatives.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Alethia Young of Cantor.
Alethia Young
analystWe really appreciate all the information today. Very, very helpful. I kind of, I guess, want to stay on the similar time frame. Just could you just talk, maybe the experts and even Darrin as well, about kind of the diagnosis pathway like for PKR and how that's evolved since you guys have started running natural history? And then just how often are these patients kind of seen? I guess I've seen some points where it seems like patients kind of get out of the system for a little bit because there's no option. So I guess just how do we think about bringing those patients back in?
Chris Bowden
executiveEduard, why don't you start and give us a flavor for the various ways that individuals with a diagnosis of pyruvate kinase deficiency come into your care? And then like you did in the last answer, Darrin, you can provide a little extra color in terms of what we might see in other parts of the world, including the U.S. Go ahead, Eduard.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeSo as I just mentioned, there are more directives in the European Union which regulates care for patients with rare diseases and something like [ cross-border ] medicine. So it's a really big thing in the whole EU. Ministry of Health has to appoint centers of excellence. These are findable now on the Internet. They are accredited, and they are -- so now in the Netherlands, everybody know, if you have pyruvate kinase, you have to go to Utrecht. And if you have something with anemia, which I don't understand, you also have to go to Utrecht. And we now, since a couple of years, we have gene panels available. So to me, how I see it, a physician sees hemolytic anemia, which he doesn't understand, picks up the phone or does -- calls our lab, diagnosis by gene panel, very easy. And often then, he sends a patient already to me for me to confirm the diagnosis and then the patient is in my office.
Chris Bowden
executiveYes. One other point, Eduard. Over the course that we've been involved with this pyruvate kinase deficiency by virtue of our research effort, that shift that you talk about to molecular testing, it seemed like 7, 8 years ago, it wasn't nearly as prevalent and you were relying on an enzyme test that -- so this is a big shift, right?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeAbsolutely. So I think there are a lot of misdiagnosis because the assay of PK activity is very difficult to perform, so you really have to go to experts, and also interpretation. That's due because the enzyme, pyruvate kinase enzyme, declines when red cell ages. So in very young red cells, it's very active. But if you have hemolytic anemia, the lifespan of red cells is very short, so PK is very high. So there are a number of PKD patients who have normal PK activity. But if you compare it to the activity of other enzymes, many oncologists don't do, you miss out in the diagnosis. But that's now solved with gene panel entering as a first-line diagnostics.
Darrin Miles
executiveTo your question, the -- if you're not being transfused, you're going to be seen perhaps less frequently than those patients who are getting transfusions for obvious reasons. But in terms of an under diagnosis, the -- I think Tamara spoke to it best, right? The need for standardization, right? Because it is an orphan indication. And for -- and given that as physicians work through the differential, the testing that was previously required, right, before you had maybe more routine use of gene panels, was laborious, right? Hence, the focus for us and for others on removing testing as a barrier and actually positioning it more as the gateway to be able to more easily move through the differential to diagnose these patients. And then lastly, once you actually have a treatment commercially available, right, when you -- just to [Technical Difficulty]
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveHe just cut out.
Darrin Miles
executiveOh sorry, did I over...
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveDarrin, go back and say what you -- once you have a treatment available, can you just say that again, please? Because you cut out for a second.
Darrin Miles
executiveSure. Can you hear me now?
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveYes.
Darrin Miles
executiveAll right. Yes. I mean once you -- I mean the obvious point here is, is that once you have a treatment available, right, there's more -- there's going to be a greater sense of urgency to try to identify those patients even more. But I think what's equally important here is that this is not unique, right? This -- I think this is in settings where you don't have proved options available for these -- approved treatments available for these patients, highly effective options. You're going to have to do some work to help standardize the diagnosis and management of these patients. And that's why we're -- we've made the investments that we've made thus far, and that's central to our plan moving forward.
Chris Bowden
executiveTamara, can you -- have you had any interactions? Or when you've talked to other individuals with pyruvate kinase deficiency, what's your sense of the issue around diagnosis? And you made some really great points around access to care and how -- what the perspective is from your position, but perhaps talk a little bit about the diagnostic part, if you can.
Tamara Schryver
attendeeSo my perspective is that younger patients, pediatric patients in large cities are getting diagnosed pretty accurately, pretty quickly, relatively. But it's adults that haven't been diagnosed that are still struggling as adults to figure out what's going on or people that are in rural areas. It's -- I think diagnosis now is much more common than it was. So that's the good news. The group that I participate with is expanding constantly. It's growing. And I think that speaks to the fact that people are getting diagnosed. So a year ago, I knew maybe -- I didn't know anybody with PKD. But now I know I have 650 Facebook friends with PKD. So as that year has passed, a lot of people -- it went from 400 to 650. So I think that's the power of social media, but I also think it's the power of diagnosis because a lot of people who come on will talk about their recent diagnosis, but mostly of their children.
Chris Bowden
executiveYes. And I think the other thing is that -- thank you, is that we make this point is that as we expand now into wild-type ACTIVATE and thinking about individuals living with thalassemia and sickle cell, hematologists like Eduard are the people who are managing those -- taking care of those individuals. And so that will also continue to heighten awareness. And I like to think -- we like to think that with new therapies coming in across a number of these diseases that this rising tide will lift all boats. So let's hope that's the case. But I feel pretty positive about it.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question is from Anupam Rama of JPMorgan.
Anupam Rama
analystThanks so much for hosting this R&D Day. One for the experts and then one for the company. For the experts, in sickle cell disease, how do you think about the magnitude and sort of quality of hemoglobin increase correlating with VOC rate? And any thoughts on kind of the VOC rate with existing therapies and if that's still an unmet need in the indication? And then for the company, I know that transfusions is an exploratory endpoint in ACTIVATE. But if a placebo arm patient gets a transfusion at any point, how are they treated in the stats plan?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeOkay. Thank you for this interesting question. Okay. I think most of you will have read that sickle cell disease has 2 major components. One is hemolysis and organ damage, and the other is vaso-occlusive complications. So I think many -- you can die of complications, but organ damage and hemolysis is driving a lot of life expectancy that physicians worry about. So they're increasing hemoglobin and lowering hemolysis probably it's a good thing, but there is no -- there are no clinical trial data for this on the long term. But for patients, I think pain and vaso-occlusive crisis is very important also in terms of economic impact on lives and society, and this is very important. So -- and there's no -- at the moment, we don't have a drug available, which is enough to prevent vaso-occlusive crisis. So there is certainly a very big unmet need. Is that enough for your question?
Anupam Rama
analystYes. Yes.
Chris Bowden
executiveSo Anupam, part 2 is we have to account for individuals that would get transfused on study, and any hemoglobin within 61 days of transfusion would be excluded. I think that patients who are on the placebo arm -- well, I would say patients who get transfused will be looked at very carefully from a staff plan perspective, as I just outlined. And then we would look at those patients very carefully, too, in terms of what happened with their medically -- what was the inciting event for that as well.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Tyler Van Buren of Piper Sandler.
Tyler Van Buren
analystI guess just to have a couple of hopefully quick clarifying questions for Darrin in terms of PKD and then a couple for Chris on thal and sickle cell. But maybe first on PKD as a follow-up to the earlier conversation. I mean you guys have clearly touched on the prevalence and the registries and the peak registry going up to 500 patients. Did you say that there was 1,000 patients currently identified? And I know you said there's underidentification. And then I was surprised to hear Jackie say that Tamara was relatively mild. And I want to thank her for sharing her story, but what percentage of patients are like Tamara or worse?
Darrin Miles
executiveSo yes, about 1,000 patients that have been identified between the U.S. and the EU, 5EU. So it's about 1/3 or so of the lower end of our estimated prevalence between the 2 major markets. The -- and we have feet on the ground in EU as well as the U.S. for that matter are focused on working with the physician community to try to identify more patients. COVID has made those efforts more challenging, certainly. So we expect to see that pick up more, hopefully, in a post-COVID period. But we're continuing to make ground in identifying. And then...
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveNo, go ahead, Darrin. I thought you're finished, sorry.
Darrin Miles
executiveNo, you're fine. Go ahead. I'm done.
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveSorry. So -- and the 1,000-ish, and it's growing all the time, is -- are patients that we've identified. So there may be other sources out there that have patients identified that we haven't tapped into yet so -- because it's an ongoing process. So -- and just -- it may be Tamara and Dr. van Beers want to jump in on how her case has been characterized. I was getting from the chat that it may be by some characterize as mild, which I don't know, Tamara, if that impacts your comments that you made about your physician's willingness to let you have a transfusion or not and things like that. And I think Dr. van Beers can talk about this with respect to the patients that he sees. But the point is -- and I think these definitions, whether it's PKD or some other diseases that we deal with around mild, moderate and severe are a little bit fluid, and we all want to kind of put patients in buckets where -- when that's probably not really appropriate because I think they can move along that spectrum. And -- but if you heard the significant impacts that Tamara experiences with her disease. And if she's defined by someone as being on the lower end of the spectrum versus severe, and it's already that bad, you can just imagine what the unmet medical need is for this indication with PKD. Maybe I'll stop and let everybody else talk a little bit about that.
Tamara Schryver
attendeeWell, I'll go from the patient perspective. I understand that there are probably medical definitions for mild. And I think I've asked this question for myself in my own life as compared to other patients, how do I rate. I know that there are patients that are having a much more difficult time than I am. I feel like my age right now has made it -- aging has made it more difficult. So I feel like personally, mild isn't really how I would describe it for myself. And I maybe moved into moderate. And -- but yes, I get that there's medical definitions and -- as compared to a personal definition. So I get it.
Chris Bowden
executiveOne of the reasons why at the end of my segment, I said that Tamara and Chris are going to take us through what it's like to live with the disease, the diagnosis of pyruvate kinase deficiency, is because our registries and our trials don't capture that. We capture lots of things. We do lots of important things that we need to do from both the regulatory, clinical, statistical perspective. But we don't capture the aspect, and I don't think we ever will. It was very powerful when you said you get about 4 transfusions a year, and you're in argument with your hematologists about how many you should get. So that's why a couple of years ago, we realized, we were educated that transfusion dependency or not is a potentially important way to run new studies, and that's what we've done. But I don't think it captures the reality that -- of every day that Dr. van Beers and Tamara see and feel. What we think is that mitapivat, based on our DRIVE PK data and we hope with the ACTIVATE studies will create an option that will improve things in a substantial tangible and qualitative and quantitative way. Okay. Next question is on sickle cell.
Tyler Van Buren
analystYes. Chris, just as we think about the ASH update and the 100-milligram BID patients, just with the thal experience, can you quantify the increase in hemoglobin that we saw from 50 to 100 as maybe that helps us think about what we might see in sickle patients? And then just on reticulocytes, it looks like there might be a dose-dependent effect. What's the maximum reduction in reticulocytes that you would like to see in sickle patients?
Chris Bowden
executiveLet me approach your question in a couple -- just give you my perspective, and then I'm going to ask Eduard to talk about how you think about the relationship between secondary or measures of hemolysis and clinical benefit. Tyler, in both trials in both sickle cell and the thalassemia study, we're studying -- we're able to study the 50 to 100-milligram step-up. At the same time, the definitive conclusions that we can draw are a little bit challenged by the fact that in the thalassemia study, you're on 50 milligrams for 6 weeks and then you step up for 100 ml. And then on the sickle cell, it's 2 weeks. And in fact, you're on 5, 20, 50 and then 100. So teasing out how much of an increase that you see at a certain dose level, it's not exactly black and white. But thalassemia, we think the data indicates that some patients might get a little extra boost in there in hemoglobin, and we may see some improvements in markers of hemolysis. The thing about mitapivat is because of our DRIVE PK experience and what we've seen with thalassemia and now with sickle cell, we know there's a range of doses that we can think about in that 50 to 100-milligram range. So it's too early for us to be able to get quantitative measures of what happens when we go from 50 to 100. But overall, we think within that range of 50 to 100, we're in a good place. And we'll just continue -- we'll have all that together as we get ready to finalize our pivotal trials. And let me just turn it over to Dr. van Beers. Eduard, can you tell us what the state of the art is now in terms of making those connections between what's the best reticulocyte reduction that you could see? Can you do that within any specific disease?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeOkay. This is, I think, a very difficult question. Concerning sickle cell disease, we think lowering retics is good, but it's never really used as a service endpoint for studies. So we don't know. Hemoglobin increase is pushed as a certain end marker because of developments with other drugs. And well, there is a good argument for that. But as I already told, sickle cell disease, it's a war with 2 zones, the hemolytic and the vaso-occlusive one. So -- and one marker probably does cover both ends of the disease. So I think lowering retics is good. But in the end, retics could be more problematic in terms of vaso-occlusion. But lowering hemolytic end products are probably also a very good indication of lowering end-stage organ damage. But there's no proof for that. So there's no really sort of good endpoint, and that's why my laboratory, combining with a lot of others, are developing the oxygen scan, which is one of the endpoints of my IST to see how that relates to risk of vaso-occlusion and/or complications. So we're really still looking for good surrogate end markers so that we have 3 endpoints.
Chris Bowden
executiveAnd Tyler, we've -- we use this statement a lot, which is the totality of the data. And the totality of the data in thal and sickle cell in terms of hemolysis data has been to give us the confidence that mitapivat is doing what it's doing. So when we're seeing hemoglobin go up, for example, and then we see the markers of hemolysis go down, that's what we would expect to see. If we were in a situation where we were seeing hemoglobin going up and we didn't see clear and consistent evidence across LDH in direct [ billy ] reticulocytes, we might scratch our heads a little bit, and we might be hearing from experts like Dr. van Beers that you need to do some more work, to think for it through this before we get into pivotal studies. So that's really -- it's directional. The quantitative results are very important, but it's also the qualitative results of -- and the consistency across multiple markers.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeI agree.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mark Breidenbach of Oppenheimer.
Mark Breidenbach
analystProbably one for Dr. van Beers. I'm wondering if you ever -- if we're aware of any naturally occurring PKR variance or PTR over-expressors in the sickle cell population that are known to mitigate symptom severity? And I guess kind of a follow-up question is given that there's a high degree of overlapping pathophysiology between PKD and thalassemia and sickle cell anemia, would you expect the safety profile of a PKR activator to be essentially the same in these 3 very different indications? Or are there unique considerations that should be taken into account, especially given the gain-of-function mutation in sickle cell disease?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeThank you. Very -- I like this question very much. It touches -- what I'm working on. So the sickle cell trait, carrier shape of sickle cell disease never gives a problem, unless you have PKD, then you have the full sickle cell phenotype. So if you go on one mutation with sickle cell, which normally doesn't get problems, and you have PKD, there are examples in literature that you have full sickle cell disease because PKD will drive down your energy even further, as is occurring in homozygous. So that's the state where you only need one sickle cell gene and you still have a full phenotype. So yes, there is some overlap. And also in sickle cell disease, when we measure PK activity it's lower. And in 60s, we already knew that high 2,3-DPG will lower oxygen affinity and these sickle cell patients are worse. So there's a relation to 2,3-DPG and sickle cell disease that was already described in the 60s.
Chris Bowden
executiveThere's a patient under IPK that, like Dr. van Beers has just described who has sickle cell trait and pyruvate kinase deficiency who had what looked like they had sickle cell disease with multiple pain crises over several years preceding coming into DRIVE PK. And that patient had a response for their hemoglobin and also a reduction in the number of pain crises. So we are looking forward to that patient being written up and published in the literature, and that will join those other individuals that have been noted that Dr. van Beers talked about. Eduard, what about from the safety perspective? You've got a lot of experience with mitapivat in individuals with pyruvate kinase deficiency. You've heard us. You're familiar with the data in sickle cell and thalassemia. What's your view there?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeWell, I think -- well, of course, we don't know. But in general, I think it will be comparable because, as I explained in my talk, they have comparable problems only for UC. We don't know because that's a future. The other anemias don't have. But given the mechanism of the drug, I would expect improvement, but -- well, that's currently under investigation.
Chris Bowden
executiveThat's why we think that DRIVE PK experience, that extension experience is so important that we've been able to continue to follow those patients for a long period of time, and it's an essential part of our study, which is why you saw in the thalassemia pilot study that those patients are moving into an open-label extension. It's just crucial that for a drug that someone might -- will take for years we've seen that we stay on top of that.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Peter Lawson of Barclays.
Peter Lawson
analystThanks for the webinar. And thank you, Tamara and Christa for kind of helping put the disease into perspective. I guess just initially a question for Chris, just your thoughts on the need to kind of broaden the use of mitapivat in PKD for patients with -- whether it's like iron overload or cardiac issues and what proportion of PKD patients are kind of excluded from the trial for PKD? And I assume that would be also carried through to the label as well.
Chris Bowden
executiveWell, our goal, Peter, is to have a solution with mitapivat that can address those things. The -- I can't tell you now what percentage of potentially eligible patients with pyruvate kinase deficiency were screened for our trials and then excluded for severe cardiomyopathy due to iron overload. I'm going to think it's probably a relatively low number, but I don't have the answer for you at this point. And we would have, as part of the eligibility criteria, excluded individuals with severe underlying comorbidities due to their disease or not because of questions about whether they can actually complete the trial or other concomitant medication. Our goal is that overall is that it would be a very broad population that would be eligible for the drug because what we're trying to do is for patients who -- individuals who have iron overload to address that by addressing ineffective erythropoiesis and improving their red cell health so that they don't suffer from that. That's something that might take longer to demonstrate, which is, again, why our open-label extension can help us there.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Kennen MacKay of RBC Capital Markets.
Kennen MacKay
analystMaybe also for Dr. van Beers. When I speak to some of the local U.S. hematologists, I hear a lot that maybe they're treating a few dozen patients in a city or geography maybe up to 40 or so. But they'd expect there to be about 10x as many patients based on population and the same prevalence. I'd love to hear your theory around that [ severity ] and other drug in late-stage development like mitapivat has accelerated new patient identification and patient visits. And maybe I missed it, but just would love to hear how many PKD patients you routinely see in your clinic and again, your perspective on how many are you seeing across Europe and in the U.S.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeIf I understood, we're again going to talk about these numbers of PKD patients. And within our European collaborative network, we have looked in the number of known patients per country. And for the Netherlands, for instance, I know about 60 patients. And I still find new patients who are not referred to me. And so it's increasing. And we only have about 70 million people here, so then you can do the math. And there's no sign that there is a kind of hotspot in the Netherlands. We have comparable genotyping. I don't have many home -- well, almost no -- never find [ homocytes ] types, just in the Amish because that's really the hotspot. So mixed genotype, and there are some other labs, which are very good. They find a lot of PK in their surroundings. And then there's nothing. And gene panel was the future. It still is expensive. But if you can -- you have a drug and you can make people work again and get them out of social security and everything, then it's becoming cost effective. You have something to offer as a clinician, you have something to offer to society because patient participates again. So it's -- and then I think there is also a reason to do gene panel also in areas where gene panels are still a bit expensive. But in the Netherlands, it's already common practice.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes...
Eduard van Beers
attendeeOne last thing about that. I just want to mention one study. There's a famous -- one of the most famous hematologists in the United States. It's very -- and the surprise of the ASH name for him, is 9 hematologists and he wrote how to diagnose PKD and he made estimation on gene sorting, I think, in Ireland or something. He came up with 1 in 10,000. So even I think that's high. But there are a lot of estimations out there. And well, we will see. But if you look at my numbers, I think the estimate we have put in the slides is reasonable.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Mark Frahm of Cowen & Company.
Marc Frahm
analystThanks for putting together this session. Maybe for Dr. van Beers and certainly Tamara as well. When we think about the spectrum of PKD and across what is defined as mild to moderate and then all the way to severe disease, I guess, how does -- what you're looking to learn from ACTIVATE to start taking mitapivat or prescribing it to your patients kind of change based on that severity in terms of what endpoints you're looking at and how do those -- the importance of different endpoints have changed?
Chris Bowden
executiveEduard, do you want to take that first? And then we can ask Tamara to follow up with what would be the most important things for a drug like mitapivat, what would be the most valuable things for it to do. So Eduard, based on your experience with DRIVE PK and now what -- how we designed the ACTIVATE studies, what do you think the most important outcomes are?
Eduard van Beers
attendeeWell, I think in the end, whether a patient is able to work and to participate in society, but that's not triable, and then the next will be hemoglobin increase is first and then lowering the TICs and hemolysis is second. Those are in relation with complications. And as Tamara already mentioned, that slight increases in hemoglobin combined with lowering hemolysis is very important. Just a very short nose. This is true for sickle cell and for PKD and also for thalassemia. Yet if you have a lower hemolysis, it's a very high metabolic demand for the body. You have about 5 kilograms of blood and about maybe half of it or slightly less of half it is pure red cell mass. So that's 2 kilograms need at least. And then in sickle cell and PKD and maybe also in thalassemia, you have to replenish this part of the body about every 20 days or even faster. So you can then calculate how much, about 200 milligrams of pure needs you have to produce as a human. So you can compare that with the turnover in cancer. That's what I treat my patients. So reducing hemolysis is very key to reduce fatigue. That's what I believe is a physician. So it's not only about increasing hemoglobin, very good, the primary endpoint, but also reducing retics and hemolytic parameters. So they need both. And you have seen the data.
Chris Bowden
executiveSo Tamara, what do you think?
Tamara Schryver
attendeeSure. My list is really similar, but in different words. So I would say, first of all, safety, just making sure that it's a safe drug. And safety is such a big word. I don't want to go into what that means, which is basically a safe drug. And then secondly, I know you talked about decreasing hemolysis. So in my words, those would be not contributing to iron overload. So just not having iron overload specifically in the organs like the liver and heart, thyroid and others is important. And then the third thing is like there's the fantasy of what I would like it to do. And then there's like what would be really good, too. So the fantasy is that I would love for this medication to make feel like I just had a transfusion like that, just that fresh feeling right after I have a transfusion, I feel so good and so excited and bouncy. I would love for that medication to do that. But if it can't do that fresh transfusion feeling all the time, I would just love for a higher hemoglobin that gives me a better quality of life. And that better quality of life, I know it's big, but it has a lot to do with your mood and your depression and handling anxiety. And those are the things that I think that I might have missed talking about, but having a chronic disease and then not getting help for that chronic disease just really increases mental health issues. So something that could help just take the edge off of not feeling bad all the time would help my mental health be better so that I can have a better quality of life. And that's sort of the touchy feely piece of what a medication could do. It's hard to measure, but it's really getting around that quality of life.
Chris Bowden
executiveSo I think you heard a number of points there from both Dr. van Beers, from Eduard and Tamara that are important for us. And there are the endpoints that we will use to garner approval that these trials are positive. And then listen to what Eduard and Tamara said, there is the aspect of the best case, which is feeling like you've received 2 units. I'm making an assumption that that's around what you get when you get transfused. And we have reason to believe that responders can see that kind of hemoglobin improvement. And there's a very important message that I heard, that we've heard throughout and that Eduard emphasized, is that we know over the course and this started with DRIVE PK, that there were individuals who had a hemoglobin increase of 0.8. Maybe they'd stay 1 gram, go up and down and their hemolysis parameters improved, and they stated they felt better on the drug and consulted with their physician and went into the extension even though they were borderline, if you will. And so that also speaks to something that in clinical practice, were mitapivat to be approved as how you might see clinicians using the drug and talking to the individual and understanding, do you feel better, what's better, and then some of those aspects that hemolysis is improving, might explain the why in the absence of a 3-gram improvement in hemoglobin. So these are all important points, I think, as the ACTIVATE studies come forward, and we hope that they're positive.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Michael Schmidt of Guggenheim.
Michael Schmidt
analystI just want to say, Tamara, thanks for sharing your story. It's really been an eye-opening to learn about your experience dealing with PKD. But I did have a question on sickle cell, actually, also around the mechanism of mitapivat. And the question is, to what degree do decreased 2,3-DPG levels increase oxygen affinity? Is that known? And how might that compare to drugs that are directly affecting this such as Oxbryta? And based on mitapivat potentially broader mechanism maybe, Chris, what is your expectation on how this might translate into a clinical profile and how may that compare to drugs such as Oxbryta?
Chris Bowden
executiveOkay. Maybe I'll ask Eduard to address the first part of the question, which is the 2,3-DPG shift and how you feel about making cross-molecule comparisons in terms of oxygen dissociation curve changes and predicting for how adequate of a surrogate do you think that is for predicting clinical benefit? And Bruce, I think maybe you've talked a lot about the second part of the question. Go ahead, Eduard.
Eduard van Beers
attendeeSo there are 2 main differences between Oxbryta and mitapivat. I think the first one targets hemoglobin. So you need a lot of [ moderators ] to target every hemoglobin, which is available because it's most abundant hemoglobin in blood. And so to have pan hemoglobin effect, you need a lot of drug, and they didn't achieve this in trials. So you still have a lot of hemoglobin, which is unaffected. And mitapivat only has to target pyruvate kinase, which has a much lower concentration. So you need less drug to target every pyruvate kinase, the enzyme, and you can interpret 2,3-DPG through the board. So from that perspective, you more expect a pan cellular effect, which is more beneficial if you look to the ancillary effect of fetal hemoglobin. So the one thing. The other thing is that mitapivat also increased ATP, which is very important in terms of it maintaining homeostases, replenishing antioxidative molecules and also for pumping out calcium. High intercellular calcium is proven a problem in sickle cell disease. It turns on potassium channels and the cells dehydrate, you get dense cells and more sickling going on. So that's -- these are the molecular differences between mitapivat and Oxbryta from my perspective. And I think the 50 shift is very important because it's one of the mechanisms, but there's also something increasing ATP.
Chris Bowden
executiveYes. So Bruce, we talk a lot about what comparisons we can and can't make and give us your -- some of your perspective in terms of why we -- in addition to what Eduard just explained, we're excited about approaching the disease this way.
Bruce Car
executiveJust to apologize perhaps for a little of the biochemistry, but I think what's important to note is that when we lower -- when we lowered 2,3-DPG, which enables a higher oxygen affinity picking more oxygen up in the lungs, this is a reversible process. So we're improving the red cell health, increasing ATP, lowering 2,3-DPG, that it leaves the physiologic mechanisms by which red cells pick up oxygen and then release oxygen, completely intact. This is a reversible process. We're only affecting 2,3-DPG secondarily through improving the flux in the glycolytic pathway. The fundamental difference to this with Oxbryta is that the process is not a reversible process. So it happens in all red cells that happens similarly. So in those approximately 25% of hemoglobin molecules that have Oxbryta bound irreversibly, there's a very high level of affinity for oxygen, but it really doesn't change whether you're in a more acid environment in the tissues or where you're in the lung where you're picking up oxygen. It does enable very high levels of oxygen to be picked up in the lungs. But potentially, it could impair the release of oxygen into the tissues. And that company has studied in some detail the oxygenation of tissues as a result of this question around the mechanism, the reversibility of our effects on 2,3-DPG and red cell physiology, I think, means that will never be an issue raised for mitapivat.
Chris Bowden
executiveSo ultimately, we'll see that. It's very difficult to make cross-trial comparison. GBT has done Phase III trials. They've demonstrated they can improve hemoglobin. They have an accelerated approval. There's an option for patients. And to -- we think that this is a different and promising approach that has the potential to increase hemoglobin and decrease VOCs and address hemolysis, which one of your takeaways from today is that Dr. van Beers emphasizing how important that is, and it's a really neat example in terms of thinking about the amount of red cell mass that you carry around in your body and then Tamara really giving us a sense of what it's like to live with that. So that's why we're moving across all 3 of these diseases. And as Bruce pointed out, there's a lot more potential there in terms of broadening our thinking. So thanks again from me to the panel and for you attending. I think, Jackie, we'll give it to you for the wrap-up here. I think that we're at the end. Or are we still going?
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveSo do we have any -- do we have more questions in the queue? Is it like a quick last or I don't know, actually. 2 more.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Andrew Berens of SVB Leerink.
Andrew Berens
analystJust a couple from me. We've seen tachycardia and some of the PKR trials, including the mitapivat trial that was presented at ASH. I was wondering if there's a hypothetical possibility that increasing AT production -- ATP production could have an excitatory effect on cardiac muscle. And I guess more specifically, could it be related to the effect of upregulating the glycolytic pathway or the effect from the ion channels? And then I just have another question about the p50 metric once you answer this one, if you don't mind.
Chris Bowden
executiveYes. That -- what you're alluding to are -- what was reported in the ASH abstract with 3 patients who had asymptomatic tachycardia. That is their -- their heart rate went over 100 when they came into the clinic to have their vital signs taken, and they reported no symptoms. They did not report palpitations or any clinical manifestations of that. So we have not seen anything in the safety profile with mitapivat to date that suggests that there is anything that's of cardiac concern.
Bruce Car
executiveAlso, the drug selectivity wouldn't hit the isoform of pyruvate kinase that's present in the heart. That's PKM1. We're completely selective over that. So we would only affect the RI support in red blood cells.
Andrew Berens
analystOkay. That's really helpful. And then just about the t50 metric. The data and the abstract really didn't show a dose response. I was wondering if that metric of our sickling is a good surrogate for VOC. And are there others that we should look for that could be good predictors?
Chris Bowden
executiveSo Eduard, can you tell us about the current thinking in terms of good predictors for VOC surrogate markers, if you will, whether it's t50 oxygen scan, what's out there? Combination analysis, various...
Eduard van Beers
attendeeThe problem is there is not much out there. So this is one of the hottest topics in research community right now to find good surrogates. And there are some certain developments of kind of microfluidic systems, ex vivo, and I'm working on something that's called the oxygen scan. And it's now picked up by major sickle cell centers in the United States, European Union. They all have this kind of machine and trials are running. We are adding a pan-European grant getting in now, and we have some unpublished data on relation with POC, which is stronger than any market we have. And this is based on the point of signaling. So that is a continuous assay where we oxygenate the red cells and then at a certain P50 kind of oxygen intensity start -- the sequence starting. And well, I think that's the best there is at the moment. And otherwise, we have to do with a bunch of other markers such as fee hemoglobin, p50 hemoglobin level itself, which is the marker and alpha thalassemia status, haplotype. So they're all associated with outcome, left or right, but there's no best one. And yes, that's it.
Chris Bowden
executiveSo while you're struggling to understand what our data means in terms of predicting for the reduction in VOC risk, which is something that we think we have the potential to do, we also are struck with this challenge, which is when you design your study, what's your prediction for the VOC rate in the control arm versus what you expect to achieve with your drug. So -- and it ties into that totality of data which suggests that we have reason to believe we can do this. But the challenge and the reason why you need a control arm is that there are no good surrogates at this point for VOCs.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Salveen Richter of Goldman Sachs.
Sonya Bhatia
analystThis is Sonya on for Salveen. So given the launch is in sight for PKD in the near future, on the commercial front, how should we think about the pricing for mitapivat? And then in thinking further in the future, will the pricing be different amongst different indications such as the larger indication of SCD versus rare diseases such as CKD?
Darrin Miles
executiveYes. So this is Darrin here. It would be premature to comment on pricing. I need to see data. At the end of the day, that's going to be the most important thing that will determine how -- what price that reflects the totality of data, right, the total risk medical profile of the product and then take into consideration of the treatments, obviously, that are available in those settings. And that would also apply then to potential indications in sickle cell and thalassemia as well.
Jacqualyn Fouse
executiveI think that was our last question. So I'm going to wrap up here very quickly. I did want to say one thing as we start to close -- when we started the webinar today. Again, thank you for everybody who attended this with us today, including our panelists. We started with a slide that talked about how we're focused on patients. And it's more than just talk for Agios. We're so honored to have Tamara with us today. And I think one thing that I would say across all of these hemolytic anemias, it's a spectrum of disease. There are a lot of things to be taken into consideration. These patients are dealing with their disease for all of their lives, as you heard from Tamara, things can change with age. There's a whole spectrum of disease. I think sometimes the -- many parties want to talk about mild, moderate, severe and put patients in categories to try to figure out what then the commercial opportunity is going to be associated with these things. And at Agios, we view our job is to bring forward safe, efficacious medicines with as much clinical data behind them as we can produce to then get them in the hands of treating physicians and patients who can make the best choices about how to pursue their different treatment options. And that's the way I think about what we're trying to do. So hopefully, this was educational for everyone. Again, I would thank all the participants. Thank you for -- to our panelists, particularly Tamara and Dr. van Beers. To hear your perspectives is just highly helpful for all of us. So thank you very much. And to all of you, investors and analysts out there, keep watching Agios from now through the end of the year and into 2021 as we have a number of catalysts related to our PKR activation programs coming along and news flow starting very soon. So thanks again. Terrific to hear everybody today, and see you soon.
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