Agnico Eagle Mines Limited (AEM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 4, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Fahad Tariq
analystOkay. Welcome, everyone, to our next session. Just as an introduction, my name is Fahad Tariq. I'm a mining analyst based out of Toronto at Jefferies. I cover predominantly the large cap precious metals, including Agnico Eagle, of course, as well as some of the mid-cap copper companies in Canada. Really happy to have Agnico Eagle join us. Agnico Eagle probably needs no introduction, but I will introduce them anyway. The second largest gold company in the world with a market cap of $70 billion. That was as of last week. I think I'm off by a couple of billion so it's probably higher than that today. Through disciplined acquisitions, the company has grown to 3.5 million ounce per year low-cost producer, leveraging its regional focused approach primarily in Canada. And important to note, at least in our model, 85% of the net asset value of the company is in Canada. And I'm really delighted we have today with us Jamie Porter, EVP Finance and CFO. Jamie, welcome to our conference.
James Porter
executiveThanks, Fahad.
Fahad Tariq
analystMaybe just to set the stage, this is an industrials conference. We do have quite a few generalist investors who maybe don't spend as much time looking at mining. Can you just provide just a high-level overview of the company, where the assets are located and just the cost structure?
James Porter
executiveYes, absolutely. Thank you. I mean, you gave a pretty good overview, second largest gold mining company in the world by market capitalization, we produced just under 3.5 million ounces a year. The vast majority of that from Canada. I think what differentiates the Agnico strategy though from Barrick and Newmont is that we -- while we're a global company. We have operations in Canada, Finland, Australia and Mexico. We are a regional miner. So our focus and the majority of our production comes from regional clusters in Northern Ontario, in Northern Quebec and Nunavut. Our strategy is really consolidation within a region to create a competitive advantage. So in the areas where we operate, we are the generally the largest employer, the employer of choice in many cases, our employee turnover is half of the industry average. We have long-standing multiple-decade relationships with our suppliers. We have purchasing power by virtue of the volumes that we buy. And we have the ability to share technical resources, so people, technical expertise, equipment, in some cases, parts and supplies because of the physical proximity of many of our mines. So that's really our strategy. And that's what helps us to keep our costs in check. And if you look back over the past five years, I think cost inflation has moderated but Agnico has really been a leader in terms of keeping costs low, driving -- constantly looking for continuous improvement opportunities and efficiency to make sure that we allow the benefit of higher gold prices to actually accrue to our shareholders through margin expansion rather than having it get eaten up through higher costs.
Fahad Tariq
analystAnd then just to address the elephant in the room, M&A, I'm sure it comes up often in meetings. If I think about your peer group, whether it's Newmont or Barrick, just the top three, it sounds like there are more divesting assets that they are acquiring. Agnico maybe is more uniquely positioned to acquire. Just walk through philosophically how the management team is thinking about M&A? You alluded to regional focus, but what are the other filters and screens that they're using?
James Porter
executiveYes. I mean it's a good question. If you look back in Agnico's history, there has been a fairly significant M&A that's helped to bring the company to where it is today. a lot of the company's growth has come through the drill bit and then through the development of its own projects, but certainly significant M&A in 2022 with the merger with Kirkland Lake Gold, bringing in the Detour mine, Macassa assets as well as Fosterville, which are all important core assets to the company today. We are uniquely positioned. I'd suggest in that we -- we're very happy with our current production base, producing 3.4 million ounces this year. We'll talk about I'm sure later on this morning, but we do have what we call our five key value drivers. So five projects that collectively represent about 1.5 million ounces of additional production. Now that will be offset by depletion at some of our existing mines, but we see the potential for 20% to 30% production growth over the course of the next 5 to 10 years, all with projects that we already own. So from an M&A perspective, from an external M&A perspective, we can afford to be very patient and very disciplined. And obviously, we have to weigh any external opportunities against the internal development projects that are part of our organic growth pipeline that we already own and that we know are high return at gold prices, $1,000 an ounce below where current spot levels are. So yes, we'll take our time. Obviously, it's our job to look at every decent opportunity out there, but it's a pretty high bar in terms of competing for capital against what we already have.
Fahad Tariq
analystOne specific region that comes up often in M&A discussions, and there's been some media reports around this is Australia. Agnico, of course, has the Fosterville mine that they acquired through Kirkland Lake, a single mine in Victoria. How do you think about Australia as a region? Is that a place where you'd like to grow or potentially exit as you think about just having a single mine there?
James Porter
executiveYes. I think when you look at our strategy, I mean, we're willing to accept technical risk and geologic risk but we're not -- we're less inclined to go into jurisdictions where there's high potential geopolitical risk or uncertainty around permitting and then the ability to develop projects and the rule of law and everything else. So looking through that lens, Canada is obviously a great place to operate the United States and Australia would be some of the top three gold mining jurisdictions in our view. So we are focused. We've got 85% of our NAV in production coming out of Canada. Newmont and Barrick have done a good job with the U.S. with their joint venture in Nevada and Australia is an obvious potential expansion jurisdiction for us. That said, I'd say our thinking on Australia has evolved over the past several years. Immediately, after the merger with Kirkland Lake, there was a thought to potentially divesting of the Fosterville gold mine. At the time, the gold price is about $1,600 an ounce. Fosterville had been in operation for about 15 years. For most of those 15 years that had made a lot of money, and then they hit this ultra high-grade Swan zone and was printing like $1 billion a year of cash flow was one of the top five corporate taxpayers in Australia for a period of a couple of years. But those -- that zone was being mined through and grades were on the decline. And the thinking was, well, maybe this asset should be divested. What's changed since then has really been the gold price. We've gone through a period of a near doubling of the gold price over the last several years. And now we're generating north of $1 million a day of free cash flow from the Fosterville mine. So it's extraordinarily profitable. Our geologists are very optimistic that there's strong potential for us to find another ultra high-grade zone and have another kind of boost in production. And where that mine is located, Fosterville's in the state of Victoria in Southern Australia, there's really no other mining -- gold mining operations in close proximity to us. So the infrastructure that we have there, the processing facilities creates a lot of optionality if there's other discoveries in the region. If we can find or another junior finds a good gold deposit within 100 kilometers of where we're located, that's likely going to be processed at our facility. So we see a lot of exploration upside. We see a lot of optionality associated with the infrastructure, and we're making a ton of money. So Fosterville is core for now. Do we expand in Australia over time, potentially? But again, our focus is on regional clusters. So creating that competitive advantage from physical proximity and where Fosterville is located, there's not much around it. So we'll be very selective in terms of an expansion into Australia. And any opportunity again, would have to be weighed against our internal growth projects.
Fahad Tariq
analystAnd then a lot of the opportunities, as you alluded to, in Australia would be Western Australia, which is not the same as Victoria. Is that -- would that still be considered. a Regional cluster if it was an acquisition, let's just say hypothetically in Western Australia?
James Porter
executiveThere would be the potential, certainly, and again, because that's a location where you have multiple mines within the same kind of geographic region, and you can create that strong supplier network that employee base and everything. So yes, that would be a potential at some point if the right opportunity came along. But today, we're very focused on Canada and our existing development pipeline there.
Fahad Tariq
analystAnd then maybe just lastly on M&A, and then I promise we'll talk about the operations. On commodity, we hear from some investors that we talk to that maybe the right thing, not just for Agnico, but for any gold company that's trading at a decent premium is to do something countercyclical, potentially look at copper opportunities. Maybe just talk through at a high level how management thinks about commodity.
James Porter
executiveYes. So I would say our strategy differs from that of our peers. Some of our peers years ago decided they were going to pick another metal, copper, and they were going to set a target percentage of their revenue that they wanted to be in that other metal. And they kind of scour the globe for those opportunities. Our strategy, I'd say, is entirely different. We are not choosing a specific metal, copper. We're willing to look at any other metal but only if it's an opportunity where we can lend our competitive advantage, our skill set. So if there's a copper, zinc, nickel, whatever project that's in our backyard, where we have the workforce, we have the supplier network, we'll look at it and then see if we can generate a good return for our shareholders, we'll absolutely consider that. But we're 98% gold by revenue currently. We have one significant copper zinc project, our joint venture with Teck in the state of Zacatecas in Mexico. And even with that up in full operation, we're still 96% gold. So I would suggest that we will remain primarily gold for the short, medium and likely long term. But again, it's just based on the opportunity set. If there's an opportunity for us to do something approximate to where we already operate and we see a competitive advantage, then we'll consider it, and we're almost metal-agnostic.
Fahad Tariq
analystJust switching to the actual operations. Canadian Malartic, of course, is the major growth driver or one of the major growth drivers. And the current plan is to mine additional ore underground at Malartic and then also satellite deposits, Marban, Wasamac. A lot of investors, particularly general investors, they don't have maybe as clear of an understanding of just how those different satellite pits or the underground come into the mine plan. Can you maybe just provide a high-level overview of where Malartic is today and how it grows to, let's say, 1 million-ounce per year?
James Porter
executiveSure. Yes. So it's a good question, and maybe I'll go back in time 100 years. I mean this deposit was initially discovered in 1923 by a couple of brothers named the Gouldie Brothers. And now the heart of our deposit underground is called East Gouldie. But Agnico got involved initially in 2014 when Osisko Mining sold the Canadian Malartic asset. At the time, it was basically a big open pit project. It was a relatively low-grade bulk tonnage, 1-gram per tonne, 60,000 tonnes per day being mined and processed through the mill. Agnico entered into a 50-50 JV with Humana at the time. And a couple of years back was able to take out Humana's position and consolidate 100% of it. The open pit, so that this was Canada's largest open pit gold mine for a number of years. And what we're doing at the Canadian Malartic complex is transitioning it to being the largest underground mine in Canada. So we're going from 60,000 tonnes per day of relatively low grade 1-gram per tonne material to 20,000 tonnes per day of 3-gram per tonne material. So our production stays about flat, around 600,000 ounces a year. But all of a sudden, we've got 40,000 tons of available access mill capacity, which is -- provides tremendous optionality. So obviously, what we're doing is looking at ways to fill that mill because if we can fill it at that grade, we can produce well north of 1 million ounces a year. And then that's really been the objective. The underground deposit at our Odyssey project has gone from zero ounces in reserves and resources in 2018 to -- we're north of 20 million ounces currently and growing. Deposits open in every direction. It's been arguably the best exploration discovery in the sector in the last decade. So we're north of 20 million ounces currently. We see the potential to sink a second shaft and secure another 10,000 tons per day of mill feed from a second shaft. We also have the satellite deposits that you alluded to, the one called Wasamac that's about 90 kilometers away from the Canadian Malartic mill. We see potential to develop that and truck that ore to the mill. We also acquired a company called O3 Mining. We announced that acquisition last December. And through that, acquired their Marban deposit, which we're drilling off now and [ drill defining ] but we see the potential for 14,000 tonnes per day of mill feed coming from Marban as well. So if you put it all together, 20,000 tons from the planned first shaft underground gives us about 600,000 ounces a year. A second shaft gives us another 200,000 ounces a year and then if you add Marban and Wasamac, you get up to about 1 million ounces a year, and you still have about 13,000 tons of excess mill capacity. So there's tremendous exploration upside and again, tremendous optionality associated with having that mill capacity. We're drilling at a pace around Canadian Malartic that we never have in the company's history. We've got 25 drill rigs active currently on the Odyssey underground project and in the 20 kilometers surrounding that Malartic mill. There's a number of old mines that were shut down in the 50s, 60s, 70s because it just wasn't economic, but they were mining down to a depth of maybe 800 meters at a grade of 4 or 5 grams per tonne, we're down to 3.4 kilometers at our LaRonde mine. So the exploration potential and depth of these old mines is significant. And we're looking at ways to optimize the grade of that mill feed. If we can find other deposits and develop those at closer to 2 or 3 grams per tonne, we could see well north of 1 million ounces of annualized production. So that's the -- really, the focus there is just maximizing the value of that complex and that infrastructure.
Fahad Tariq
analystGreat. And is it fair to say that to the extent that you can expand the mining underground at Odyssey that, that would always take precedence over the satellite pits just from a grade perspective?
James Porter
executiveYes, absolutely. I mean the average grade underground at Odyssey is around 3 grams. Our Wasamac project, the average grade is about 2.5 grams, but it's 90 kilometers away. So you have the incremental hauling cost, the average grade of the Marban satellite pit is closer to a gram. So it's relatively low grade. So we will absolutely prioritize continuing to figure out exactly how much we've got there and how underground and how best to access it. I mean, there's talk of a potential third shaft at some point. All of this takes time. We need to do the infill drilling and engineering and mine planning and everything else, but there's tremendous upside potential at that asset.
Fahad Tariq
analystYou touched on the exploration at Malartic, including at the satellite pits. What about the rest of the portfolio? What is the exploration team getting excited about? I mean there seems to be a lot of work being done at multiple mines. How would you kind of rank order where the most exploration upside is?
James Porter
executiveYes. I mean I'd say our focus is on our biggest assets. I mean, Canadian Malartic, we found 20 million ounces over the last 8 years at a discovery cost of CAD 10 an ounce. So that is -- I mean that's how you add value in the gold mining industry. If you can minimize your total cost. So you can either find ounces or you can buy them. If you're buying ounces through M&A, you're normally paying $300, $400 an ounce. If you can find them at $10 an ounce, you're off to a hell of a head start. The second component of your cost is your capital cost per ounce. And if you can leverage existing infrastructure, you can minimize your capital intensity. And then the third component is obviously your operating costs. And if you have that kind of regional setup that we do where you benefit from synergies, you can minimize your operating costs and your all-in cost of producing an ounce of gold is as low as possible. So Canadian Malartic is a huge priority, as I already talked about. The other major priority for the company from an exploration perspective is at Detour. So Detour is another mine that it's a bit of a unicorn in our industry. It's currently producing -- it's now the Canada's largest open pit gold mine. Produces about 700,000 ounces a year. Reserves and resources have gone from 20 million to 40 million ounces over the past decade. We put out a study last June whereby we're planning ongoing underground to access some higher grades and bring production up to 1 million ounces a year. So that study that was based on information from two years ago had us getting up to 1 million ounces of production a year in 2030 and staying there for about 13 years. Since that time, we've been continuing to drill, and we've seen better grades closer to surface. And we actually see the potential to bring that -- some of that production forward and actually get to 1 million ounces sooner and to be able to stay there for longer. So we're dedicating a lot of our exploration budget to Detour and making sure we flesh out exactly what we have underground there so that we can optimize the value creation at that asset. So Canadian Malartic and Detour, our two biggest assets, by far, long-life, very large assets, and they're the focus from an exploration perspective. Beyond that, we have a project called Hope Bay in Nunavut. We currently operate two mines in Nunavut, Meadowbank and Meliadine. Together, they produce about 900,000 ounces a year. Meadowbank is in decline. We were initially scheduled to actually end the mine life there in 2028. At these gold prices, we see the potential to push that out to about 2035. But production will be declining. So in order to really offset that and keep our production from the Nunavut platform close to 1 million ounces a year, we're looking at a redevelopment of Hope Bay. And Hope Bay has been another key focus from an exploration perspective. We've bought the asset from TMAC Resources in 2021. They were operating it at a much smaller like 2,000 tonnes per day producing around 100,000 ounces a year. In Nunavut, you need scale. You need size and scale in order to make money, everything cost 3x as much as it would in the southern part of Canada. So we've spent the last three years really drilling that deposit off. And over the last two years have discovered this new zone called Patch 7, that's higher grade and represents really a third mining front for us. So we'll be announcing a construction decision on Hope Bay in the first half of next year. And really, it's that Patch 7 zone that has helped to push that project to the size and scale that we need. We think it will be about 400,000 ounces a year, and it will go for decades. So I'd say Detour, Canadian Malartic and Hope Bay have been the three key focus areas. But across the portfolio, I mean, Fosterville, we're looking for another super high-grade zone. We've -- we're drilling even San Nicolas, which is in the relatively -- we're just doing the feasibility study and permitting activities there, but we've had some good success there. So there's lots of upside across the portfolio.
Fahad Tariq
analystAnd the exploration budget, whether it's 2025 or 2026, does that -- does it line up with the order that you provided to Canadian Malartic, Detour, Hope Bay? Would that be roughly how the exploration dollars are allocated as well?
James Porter
executiveYes. That's exactly right. So yes, we spent about $300 million a year. We'll spend about $300 million this year on exploration. We've got about 125 drills running across the company. And as I mentioned, 25 at Canadian Malartic. So that's about 20% of our overall activity.
Fahad Tariq
analystAnd then just switching gears to costs. So one of the, I guess, really impressive operating performance in the first half was just Agnico's cost control. So rough numbers for anyone looking at Agnico. All-in sustaining costs around $1,300 an ounce. Your peers are $200 to $300 an ounce higher than that. That may surprise a lot of generalist investors who think of Canada as expensive labor market. You mentioned Nunavut, things are expensive to just even transport supplies there. Maybe talk through how Agnico has been able to achieve peer-leading costs among the seniors.
James Porter
executiveYes. I mean, obviously, the Canadian dollar has helped over the past several years. I mean we've had about 5 years of increasing U.S. dollar gold prices and a weakening Canadian dollar. So I can't discount that. I mean that's been a contributor for sure. But I think -- and I touched on it briefly previously, it's really our strategy. It's that regional consolidation focus. We have five mines in Northern Ontario, Northern Quebec that are within a few hundred kilometers of one another. And within about a 10-hour drive of our head office in Toronto, there's tremendous synergy associated with that. Again, supplier -- in many cases, like we've been active in the Abitibi in Northern Quebec at least for over 60 years. So in many cases, we helped our suppliers set up their business when they initially got it up and running, which means if we need something, they drop everything to help us. So that's a distinct competitive advantage. I mean our employee turnover in Quebec right now -- or not right now over the last 12 months -- trailing 12 months is 4%, less than half of the industry average. So Agnico is the employer of choice. Turnover is minimized our costs in terms of just purchasing power are lower than those of many other kind of single asset companies. And there's an intense focus on cost control. I mean our messaging over the past several years internally has been -- the gold price is going up, but we can't lose focus on cost and capital discipline. We need to constantly be evaluating how we do things and looking for opportunities to get better. The example that I always refer to -- we have a gentleman named Mark [indiscernible], who was Vice President of our Nunavut operations. And a few years back, they recognized that Meadowbank was going into decline and would be approaching closure. And he recognized that they needed to reduce costs in order to keep the operation going. And they brought in a third-party to help with an internal review of everything the mine does, the process flow, equipment availability with a view to just optimization. They were able to shave over USD 100 an ounce per ounce of production off their cost structure and extend the mine by two years. So that kind of process that third-party check on how we do things, we've extended across all of our operations. And every year, we're looking at what are the technical limits, what's the maximum output that we should be able to achieve based on the equipment and people and resources that we have and trying to minimize the gap if there is one from where we are. So we're always focused on operational efficiency. I'd suggest that in underground gold mining, we're a leader with respect to automation and technology adoption. A major project for us this year is a fleet management system underground. So underground mining is still very rudimentary. In some cases, you go down the shaft, you get a clipboard and wander over to your piece of equipment and start your day, but there's often a big lag between the time you actually start working in the time you start being productive. So we're looking at digitizing a lot of our underground mines and optimizing how our process flow works using technology to do that, and that could be a game changer in terms of our overall cost structure and productivity.
Fahad Tariq
analystAre there any questions in the room? We can take some questions in the room. If you just wait for the mic, and then we can start.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeGeorge Ross for [indiscernible], not precious metals analyst. That's our other guys, you know them. Just a quick question on the [ Macalena Bay ] project. When you guys have raised your stake to, I think, almost 14% of the company for in. Just curious, is that one of those cases where you have potential regional synergies because it's not really a gold asset as I understand it. Just curious what your thoughts on that?
James Porter
executiveYes, that's correct. I mean there is some gold there, but it's primarily a zinc copper asset. Why we were interested in that project is really an [indiscernible] to our LaRonde mine. So I mean, you'll note the name of the company, Agnico is the silver nickel cobalt, the early days of Agnico were very much less focused on gold. And even 25 years ago, the majority of the revenue came from zinc and copper. LaRonde is really the founding mine of current Agnico was opened 37 years ago with an 8-year life. It's been expanded 5 times. There's 4 shafts and the wins there currently. It's produced 8 million ounces, been operational for 37 years. And it's a VMS-style deposit, and we see similar potential at with [indiscernible] projects. So we're not interested for what they have now. We're interested in having a seat at the table and seeing how the deposit evolves and whether they're able to grow it, double it or triple it in time, at which point we might be more interested. The other thing that's interesting is that we're starting to source a lot of labor for our Hope Bay project out of Central and Western Canada. So we do see the potential for that to be another regional hub in the future if we see other opportunities there or end up creating a regional head office supporting Nunavut in that part of Canada.
Fahad Tariq
analystI think there was one more question up here.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeGood morning. Threefold. Like one, if you look into Canada, you see at New Afton with New Gold, they extend the mine line, you see mine life, you see that [ Heiden Valley ] that -- they extend the mine life you do it at the Hope Bay. Like is this a Canadian thing that you [ perhaps ] with higher prices can go into existing locations and extend mine life? And the second question is leading on the reserves. Like at what price have you booked basically your reserves, like the price of gold went up sharply, but I guess your reserves, proven and probable reserves booked on a different price far lower. So at what point are you going to increase your price in your net present value calculation?
James Porter
executiveYes. No, both great questions. On the first question, like is it something kind of particular to Canada where we're able to extend mine life. I think there's two parts to that. One, yes, often when the gold price goes up, there's lower grade material that previously would have been designated as waste that all of a sudden is economic. So you're able to extend mine life that way. The other, I guess more geological answer would be in certain parts of Canada, the Abitibi where the majority of our production comes from these deposits tend to extend a depth. And I talked about LaRonde. LaRonde, we're mining down. That's the deepest mine in the Western Hemisphere, the deepest gold mine in the Western hemisphere, 3.4 kilometers. So there are a lot of old mines that were mined down to a depth of 600, 700, 800 meters and shut down 50 years ago, where they haven't been exploration tested since. So there is a lot of potential there. On your second question with respect to reserve pricing, absolutely. I mean there's a massive disjoint between our reserve price last year was $1450 and current gold price is north of $3,500. So I think the industry -- it's a challenge for the industry because if everyone updated the reserve pricing to spot, grades would drop by 30% which means margins dropping by 30%. And so there's a balance between protecting the integrity of your short- to medium-term mine plans while making sure that you're optimizing value. So in situations where we have spare mill capacity, we're absolutely processing more because it makes sense to do so because we're making money in other situations where we don't have excess mill capacity, especially in open pits scenarios, we're looking at stockpiling some of that material that's potentially economic and ensuring that it's there for closer to the end of the mine life to feed the mill and make sure we don't lose that production. But that's a great question. It's a challenge for the industry when you see such a dramatic increase in the price of gold.
Fahad Tariq
analystMaybe one more. Yes, go ahead.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. A quick one for me. Right now, you are constructing Canadian Malartic underground, you are also thinking of the detail underground. We've seen in the sector CapEx budgets blowing out and when the projects are built, they're not working -- to the design spec, how do you protect against that risk for your projects? Do you -- for construction expertise right now, and we know that it's very hard for companies to build projects, how do you get to the right answer?
James Porter
executiveYes, that's a great question, and it gives me an opportunity to talk about our construction team. So we do have -- and that's another thing that I'd suggest is unique about Agnico. We build our own mines. We have an in-house, like basically EPCM construction team, 400 people led by an Agnico lifer that have built multiple mines for the company. We have two distinct shaft sinking teams. We're not reliant on Redpath or cementation, we do it ourselves. We have one currently working on at Odyssey, Canadian Malartic. And we have another that completed the #4 shaft at Macassa that will sink the shaft at Upper Beaver. So that is a very unique advantage. We have this in-house team. We are able -- because of our size and scale, we're the largest mining company in Canada. What we call contractors, we're able to ask for the A team and dictate how they operate and work with us. That gives us a lot more control over our capital budgeting and spending and our timing. Just as an example, I was visiting our Upper Beaver project a couple of months back. And there's a gentleman building a water treatment plant, and I asked his background. He said, "Oh, I've done 8 of these. And most recently, I built the water treatment plant at Meliadine" So there's a lot of in-house technical construction expertise that I'd say -- I'd suggest derisks our projects.
Fahad Tariq
analystI think we're right up on time. Jamie, thank you so much. That was excellent.
James Porter
executiveThank you.
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