Airbus SE (AIR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

April 29, 2020

Euronext Paris FR Industrials Aerospace and Defense earnings 72 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us. Welcome to the conference call releasing Airbus Q1 2020 results. I'm Amelia, the operator for this call. Please be aware that throughout the presentation, all systems will be in listen-only mode, and this conference is being recorded. Following the presentation, there will be a chance for you to ask questions. Right now, I'd like to hand the conference over to your hosts, Guillaume Faury, Dominik Asam and Thorsten Fischer.

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#2

Thanks, Amelia. Good morning, everyone. You're listening to the conference call covering Airbus's Q1 2020 results. Guillaume Faury, our CEO, and Dominic Asam, our CFO, will walk you through the results and take your questions. We expect this call to run for roughly one hour. That includes the Q&A, which we'll hold once the initial presentation is finished. There's also a webcast of this call. You can get to it through our homepage, where a special banner has been put up. A playback will be available on the website, though we don't offer a dedicated phone replay service. The supporting information package went out to you by email earlier this morning. It contains the slides, which we'll now take you through, along with the financial statements. During this call, we'll be making forward-looking statements. The package you received also contains the Safe Harbor statement that applies to this call; please read it carefully. Guillaume, over to you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#3

Thanks, Thorsten. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the call on our Q1 2020 results. We appreciate you being with us today. I hope you and your families are well and staying safe during these hard COVID-19 times. Let me note that among the industries hit hardest by the Coronavirus pandemic — an unprecedented situation — indeed, as I've already said many times, every industry now confronts the biggest crisis in its history. That applies especially to commercial aircraft. Air travel demand has fallen away amid the travel restrictions and lockdowns that many countries around the world have imposed. Our customers, the airlines, have cut capacity, parked a very large share of their fleet temporarily, and are taking steps to lower cash spending. That also covers a full review of their CapEx and pre-delivery payment schedules. Not all of this is yet fully visible in Q1 2020 <<inaudible>> that EUR281 million and free cash flow before M&A customer financing at minus EUR8 billion, including the payments of the penalties from the fine of EUR3.6 billion. Before those penalty payments, free cash flow before M&A customer financing comes in at minus EUR4.4 billion, which is roughly at the level of Q1 2019.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#4

Following the strong commercial and industrial results seen early in the year, we've taken careful measures aimed at safeguarding Airbus's future and at preparing ourselves as well as possible for a return to normal operations when the situation improves. During Q1 2020, cancellations stayed at a reasonable level. However, a large number of customers are requesting delivery deferrals, or they simply cannot physically take the aircrafts. We're adjusting to this new reality as quickly as we can in order to identify the most suitable solutions. We are — what I'd describe as confronting reality — adopting a realistic stance so we can proactively manage our order book and align production with our best reading of these new demands, while seeking to best satisfy customer expectations and commitments. Through our Watchtower process, we speak with airlines and Dassault continuously to grasp their various requirements, and we keep a close watch on their financial health and situation. We place special emphasis on delivering aircraft that will be industrially engaged by drawing on the related pre-payments on hand. According to our best evaluation of the overall situation, three weeks ago we made the decision to adjust our commercial aircraft production rates; Don <<inaudible>> was by roughly one-third, while preserving our capacity to adapt further as the global market continues to evolve.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#5

The urgent thing for us is to put a short-term plan in place to contain cash. That is what we're doing, along with tackling the longer-term cost structure so the company ends up right-sized. Across our sites, in coordination with our social partners, we're rolling out a number of temporary social measures. We have rigorously ranked our cap expense projects and R&D within our general cost structure by how business-critical they are and by timing, which has produced a very significant reduction. Thanks to our strong balance sheets and the steps taken in March to further bolster liquidity, we've safeguarded our financial flexibility so we can adapt to the new environment and secure what I call business continuity. We are also advocating support from governments for our airline customers, for the ecosystem and, obviously, for our suppliers. This crisis is still at an early stage. So we have to stay humble. Things are still evolving, and we are managing very carefully our ability to grasp all the implications. After withdrawing the 2020 guidance in March, we keep assessing how COVID-19 is affecting our business. Given the limited visibility, particularly on the valuation equation, we are not issuing a new guidance. In summary, our industry is a complex, interdependent ecosystem with many different paths, and we're doing our best to keep those craft synchronized in a COVID-19 environment that is still evolving.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#6

We remain in ongoing conversation with our customers, partners, suppliers, and the numerous stakeholders, and together with them we need to and we will navigate this crisis. Turning to our commercial aircraft environment in greater detail, we are beginning to observe certain indications of recovery in China, although the pace is very slow. At the height of the crisis in China in mid-February, passenger capacity fell by minus 85% relative to the pre-COVID-19 situation, and by April it had recovered to minus 60%. That is the most recent data available to me in the latest market report; I now expect <<inaudible>> to come in at minus 48% year-on-year in 2020, along with a reduction in passenger revenue of minus $314 billion compared with 2019 levels. Leading companies continue to play a significant role in actively financing and remarketing aircraft; for most of them, their financials were robust before entering the COVID-19 situation, with no repayment hours in the short-term. ECA financing was reopened last year, and we expect demand for ECA support to rise this year. Incidentally, I want to thank the ECA; the EDC confirmed the continuous availability of support for the crisis and beyond. This is very helpful. Now, looking at Q1 orders in Airbus, after a good start to the year in January, the commercial dynamic changed as the COVID-19 situation developed.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#7

During Q1, gross orders came in at 356. Net orders totaled 290 aircraft, and the backlog sat at 7650 aircraft. Cancellations we logged reached 66, a figure below the prior year's level. For the Airbus A220, we booked 42 planes — 42 net orders — and the backlog was 529 aircraft. Within the A320 family, 248 net orders were added, and the backlog stood at the 6220 aircraft mark. As a result, our share of the market in the singular segments, measured by backlog, rose from 58% to 60% across the last 12 months, with half of that gain coming in the final quarter. The A330 backlog came to 323 aircraft following four cancellations. Turning to the A350: we booked 21 gross orders, among them 10 additional -900s for Air France, and cancellations recorded were 17. The backlog was 569 aircraft. On the next slide, looking at helicopters: during Q1 2020, net orders booked were 54, against 66 in Q1 2019. We closed Heli Expo 2020 with 38 orders, including 12 more H145s for Metro Aviation. On the H145, we also booked an additional order for six H145s for the Ecuador Ministry of Defense, and we additionally secured an order for 15 UH-72 Lakotas — the military version of the 145 — for the US Army.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#8

Beyond that, we signed contracts for a pair of Super Puma helicopters destined for the Japanese Coast Guard. For 2020, we anticipate that civil and parapublic business will stay weak, especially in oil and gas, largely because oil prices are so low, though prospects in the military segment continue to look favorable. Last, in defense and space, we took in orders reaching up to EUR1.7 billion, which included military contract awards spanning services, secure communications and telecommunication satellites, plus Phase 1A of the FCAS project that was signed in February. In defense and space as well, talks continue on agreements such as the German Eurofighter, batch 1 replacement, and the Tornado succession. As ever, pinning down exactly when a contract lands is hard to do. Even so, in today's conditions, we identify quite a few opportunities across defense with our European governments, and those matter a great deal to us. With that, I'll hand things over to you, Dominik, so you can walk us through the finer points and the financial figures. Dominik, over to you.

Dominik Asam

executive
#9

Thank you, Guillaume, and good morning everyone. I trust you are all doing well and staying safe. For Q1 2020, revenues came in at EUR10.6 billion, which is 15% lower than Q1 2019. That decline mirrors the challenging market conditions weighing on our commercial aircraft business, and we handed over 40 fewer aircraft compared with a year earlier, partially offset by an improved mix and the more favorable foreign exchange environment. EBIT adjusted for the quarter stood at EUR281 million, a substantial decrease year-on-year, driven chiefly by reduced deliveries and the costs tied to them, though we did gain from more favorable hedge rates. Helicopters put in a solid performance during Q1, while defense and space continues to be affected by weaker business performance. Adjusted earnings per share came to EUR0.23, calculated on an average of 782 million shares. Free cash flow before M&A and customer financing was negative EUR8 billion. That figure incorporates the EUR3.6 billion of penalties paid during Q1. Even with fewer deliveries and a significant inventory build, we succeeded in keeping free cash flow before those penalties at roughly the same level as in the first quarter of last year. EBIT reported for Q1 2020 was EUR79 million. The EBIT adjustment totaled approximately a net negative of EUR200 million, made up of these items: minus EUR33 million tied to A380 program cost, minus EUR134 million of negative impact from foreign exchange mismatch and balance sheet revaluation, and EUR35 million of other costs, including compliance costs.

Dominik Asam

executive
#10

The EPS figure we reported includes a negative financial result of EUR477 million. That reflects a net negative EUR245 million tied to Dassault Aviation. In addition, OneWeb filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings on March 27th. As a result, we fully impaired the associated loan, which had a minus EUR136 million effect on financial results. On the core business, the tax rate sits at roughly 27%. The effective tax rate on net income is negative 24%, driven by impairments and by certain tax jurisdictions and uncertain investments, along with updated tax risks. Net income comes out at minus EUR481 million, with a recorded loss per share of EUR0.61. Moving now to hedging activities: our overall US dollar hedging portfolio totals $95 billion, at an average hedge rate of 1.23. During Q1 2020, $5.1 billion in hedges matured at a rate of 1.19. We also put in place $2.1 billion of forwards and completed the restructuring of our colors portfolio, converting those into forwards, which gave a positive impact on the 2020 and 2021 hedge rates. We re-phased our hedges to reflect where things stood as of March 31. From Q1 2020 we rolled out $1.8 billion of hedges, and $0.8 billion was rolled out of 2020.

Dominik Asam

executive
#11

We’ll keep adapting the portfolio in light of recent developments—COVID-19 especially—so that it mirrors how our deliveries evolve going forward. Concretely, that means for now we won’t put any additional hedges in place, but we will roll the ones we already have to different delivery dates. Growth cash flow from operations of EUR0.3 billion mirrors our EBIT adjusted. In Q1 2020, we paid EUR3.6 billion in penalties. A substantial inventory build weighed on working capital, since it contains roughly 60 aircrafts that were unable to be delivered. A400M kept dragging on our free cash flow before M&A, though to a lesser degree than in 2019. CapEx came in at about EUR0.5 billion, unchanged compared with Q1 2019. We have reviewed fiscal year 2020 CapEx closely and chosen to reduce it by roughly EUR700 million. As a result, we now expect approximately EUR1.9 billion. Reported free cash flow was minus EUR8 billion. Customer financing added about EUR30 million, whereas M&A activities represented minus EUR0.5 billion, mostly tied to acquiring the remaining interests in ACLP from Bombardier. In view of today’s conditions, we announced steps to safeguard our financial liquidity and to keep funding operations by obtaining a new credit line of EUR15 billion, pulling our original dividend proposal and pausing the voluntary top-up funding in pensions.

Dominik Asam

executive
#12

On top of that, a bond of EUR2.5 billion was issued, which partly terms out the EUR15 billion credit facility. That transaction settled on April 7, so the cash proceeds are going to be accounted for in Q2 2020. Over the quarters ahead, our continued focus will be on preserving cash, and we will be lowering cash outflows with the goal of halting net cash consumption by Q4. Alongside CapEx reductions, the measures now activated include deferring and suspending activities that are not critical to business continuity and to fulfilling our customer and compliance commitment. With that, I'll hand it back to Guillaume.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#13

Thank you, Dominik. Moving on to commercial aircraft and the outlook — first, I want to remind everyone that the innovation and digital transformation activities that used to sit in Transversal are now part of Airbus under the new segment structure. That gives us three businesses; they're reported in R&D, and obviously there's no effect on Airbus revenues. On the overall Q1 results, we handed over 122 aircraft to 49 customers. That's 40 fewer aircraft than a year earlier. In industrial terms, we actually made solid progress. But we closed the quarter with roughly 60-plus aircraft we couldn't deliver, since many customers were asking to push back deliveries, or we simply couldn't physically hand the aircraft over. Where do we stand on each program? Starting probably with the 220, we delivered 8 aircraft in Q1 to 3 different customers. On the 320, we delivered 96 aircraft, 91 of them Neos. During Q1 we kept up the ACF ramp-ups and made further industrial improvements. Turning to wide body, we delivered about 18 aircraft, including 14 A350s and 4 A330s. We also handed over the first A350 to 900 to Aeroflot. As announced previously, we're now lowering our production rates to rate 40 for the A320 family, 2 for the A330, and 6 for the A350.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#14

That works out to a decrease of about one-third versus the average prediction rates we had before the crisis. Regarding the 220, the FAL in Mirabel should gradually get back to rate 4, the level we had prior to COVID, and the new FAL in Mobile remains targeted to open in May as planned. Now let's turn to the Airbus financials. Revenues largely mirror the reduced deliveries, which came in 40 aircraft lower year-on-year, comprising 30 A320 aircraft and 8 350s. EBIT adjusted likewise mostly mirrors those reduced deliveries and the related costs, partly offset by Forex. Turning to helicopters in Q1 2020, we delivered 47 in total. That's a similar level to the First Quarter of 2019. Revenues in EBIT adjusted mirror a favorable delivery mix and returns on growth in services. In Defense and Space, revenues were table, year-on-year, and the EBIT adjusted mirrors the weaker business performance, particularly in space as already said; for the A400M, one aircraft was delivered in Q1 2020. And given the severity of the coronavirus pandemic, we're assessing the incremental impact on our business, and we'd adjust the restructuring plan that we had started previously. We would adjust it to the new situation at Defense and Space also.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#15

So what are the main priorities for us now? Growth overall was, is, and will stay a business built for the long term, and once this crisis passes, I'm convinced — we're all convinced — that people will still want to fly, and will still need to. We're equally convinced our product lineup is the right one for holding the lead position we have today, and possibly even strengthening it. Our strong competitive standing with the A320 in the single-aisle segment, the XLR included, which we're keeping up, continuing to develop at a good pace, matters especially because we expect those segments to bounce back before the wide body market does. A number of steps are being taken to secure the future of Airbus — the company's future. Cutting spending to the appropriate level so the business keeps running and our capacity to serve customer demand is preserved is our urgent priority. We're also tackling our longer-term cost structure so the business is right sized, while safeguarding our capacity to remain a giant and to adapt further as the global market continues to evolve. Monitoring how demand develops and handling our order book in a highly productive manner will continue. And we'll keep working alongside our customers to honor our commitments and secure aircraft deliveries.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#16

Naturally, we're keeping an eye on the financial well-being of our ecosystem too — the airlines as well as our suppliers. And we're putting the newly announced production rates into place, lining that up across our entire supply chain. As you can imagine, that's very intricate and significant work, and it's continuing right now. Overall, we're making every effort to bring the ecosystem into sync — at times back into sync — and to get all stakeholders aligned as we steer through this crisis, and as I mentioned, we'll handle it together. Before I finish, I'd like to note that we're fully adhering to every health and safety requirement, even when those requirements sometimes shift. And while we're handling everything else I described earlier, health and safety takes priority. So as we confront this unprecedented situation, we remain focused on our resilience — both as a company and as an industry — to make sure we can get back to so-called normal operations once the crisis passes, in a strong position when things improve again, since the current situation will recover and get better later on. At this point we'll take your questions. Thank you.

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#17

We're moving into the Q&A portion now. When you ask a question, please state your name and your company. Kindly keep it to 2 questions per turn, and that counts sub-questions too. And as always, please do remember to speak clearly and at a slow pace so that everyone on the call, especially us, can follow what you're asking. So, Aurelia, please go ahead and walk the participants through the procedure.

Operator

operator
#18

We're going to start the Q&A portion now. <<operator_script>> Our first question comes from Ben Heelan at Bank of America. Your line is open — please proceed.

Benjamin Heelan

analyst
#19

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question, and I hope you're all doing well. First, on the supply chain: could you speak a bit about which parts of the supply chain you see as most at risk right now, and how you can step in and, when needed, support some of those suppliers that are under stress at the moment? Then my second question — again, you noted in your remarks that 60 aircraft weren't delivered at the end of Q1. I assume Q2 deliveries will be quite a bit below the newly announced production rates. How high do you expect that undelivered aircraft figure to climb before you'd have to think about cutting production rates once more? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#20

Yes, thank you, and good morning. Turning to the supply chain, where do the risks lie? Well, in essence, they're everywhere. Which risks need the most urgent attention? Those fall on suppliers that went into this crisis from a weak position, and those are the first ones we're examining. In fact, we have a little time, since suppliers continue to get paid as they deliver what was ordered, in line with the payment terms. But clearly, later in Q2, there will be a significant drop in the cash flows heading to suppliers, and that's when the situation will get more critical. So we have roughly two or three months to get ourselves organized. We've done very substantial work with the National Associations so that we can organize ourselves and be in a position to speak proactively with suppliers — arranging support where needed. But we're only at the very start of this process. Suppliers already hit by the 737 MAX grounding and the subsequent halt in production are clearly higher on our radar screen, since they came into this new crisis already facing major difficulties. But there are a few others that were there for different reasons — sometimes for the wrong reasons.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#21

When you're in a tough spot, saying that might come across as a little cynical, but that's just how things are. So, as I mentioned earlier, we're taking a very proactive look at the situation. We're examining both their capacity to deliver and their financial condition. And it's really a one-by-one, case-by-case kind of approach that has to pay off down the road. Regarding the count of aircraft that have been built but not yet handed over, yes, we stood at 60 plus at the close of Q1. Deliveries during Q2 are going to stay very low — will be very low, since we're right at the heart of the crisis itself along with the bans, and it's extremely hard for customers to come and collect their deliveries. We were also slowed down by the measures that hit offsets within the supply chain. So if things keep climbing before they come down, I'd say the likely pattern is that it will begin to decline in Q3, and there are two factors at play. We expect customers will find it easier to come, and probably in bigger numbers, to pick up their planes. But at the same time, we'll start to see the initial impact of our Ramadan of adaptation on the production side. So that's likely somewhere in Q3 when we'd hit the peak in terms of aircraft produced but not delivered.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#22

At minimum, I should note that this is my best estimate as things stand right now, and as you'd expect, we're working through various scenarios so we can stay resilient and adapt to shifting circumstances. It remains a highly fluid situation.

Benjamin Heelan

analyst
#23

All right, that's excellent. Thanks very much.

Operator

operator
#24

Our following question comes from <<inaudible>>. Your line is open now, so please proceed.

Tristan Sanson

analyst
#25

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my question, and I hope you and your families are all safe. So sorry, the <<inaudible>>. My first question concerns the net impact we should anticipate from this year's reduction in deliveries. In the past, you gave us an indication of the approximate EBIT level we should expect from delivering additional A320s. Looking at the upcoming drop in deliveries, given that you will probably face greater negative leverage but will also work on your cost structure and eliminate penalties for delivery delays, how should we view that negative leverage? Do you think it will be of the same order of magnitude, higher, or much higher? Any qualitative remarks on that would be helpful. And the second one is about your negotiations with airlines: could you give us a sense of what share of the backlog has now had negotiations with airlines completed, and what is the philosophy behind these talks, or the mood of these talks with airlines at present? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#26

So, as you rolled, I'll make the end easy <<inaudible>>. I'll hand over to Dominik for the more difficult one. My easy answer to the first question is that we have withdrawn the guidance. And the reason we withdrew the guidance is because of the many uncertainties in the very dynamic and changing picture, and we are not at that point in time in a situation to indicate where we think we would most likely launch by the end of the year. That was the easy answer. Dominik, do you want to try to give a bit of color?

Dominik Asam

executive
#27

I’ll just say again what we’ve covered before about sensitivity. What we’ve said is that for every delivery we don’t get, there’s a fall-through of roughly the mid-teens type. That said, you’re right that in today’s environment, that figure is more like a normalized contribution margin or gross margin number. We also got stuck with some fixed costs that we can’t remove so quickly, so the fall-through, if anything, is higher on the downside than it would be if the ramp-up were happening as planned.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#28

To put it another way, every kind of cost is under review right now. The traditional split between fixed and variable cost is being seriously challenged, and on top of that, the pace at which different cost categories evolve—natures, of course, sorry—isn't the same, so it's genuinely harder, more complex, and a picture with plenty of moving parts, but I don't want to hide behind complexity. We're here lining and now I come to the second part of the question as well. As soon as we have something that this study line, that is likely, that we can share, we try to share. But this is obviously not the case. I was commenting earlier today that we're still May-June, in the phase where we are having those very detailed negotiations. Sometimes, we have temporary agreements for the short-term; we are more discussing on the bigger, on the larger frame of the contract. Sometimes, we have a lot of difficulties to come to conclusion with airlines, which are themselves negotiating their own bailout or support plan or looking for financing. Sometimes, we have already formed some agreements with airlines or some are just willing to—it's a small number and some are just willing to keep executing the contract as before.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#29

It's really hard to give you a fresh, hedged response, because if we overhedge, that would cover a massive range of circumstances that are, first, quite different, and second, still in motion and evolving. We think—I mean, what we're aiming for is to have more or less finished establishing a new stability, defining a new world, by June, and that's also why we've said we might readjust our production rates a second time around June—June-ish, I'd say. When we have a more granular picture at that point, it shouldn't shift significantly relative to what we're going to hedge on, but it could shift a little. At least that's prudently how I see it today, and that's all I can share, I think, while being as transparent as I can, but also acknowledging that this is a period of enormous change and very many things are shifting simultaneously. So giving an outlook for the future isn't easy, since we have so many moving parts.

Analyst

analyst
#30

Thanks very much, sir — that’s really useful, and best of luck.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#31

Thanks. We need a bit.

Operator

operator
#32

Olivier Brochet from Credit Suisse has the next question. Your line is open now — please go ahead.

Olivier Brochet

analyst
#33

Yes, thanks, and good morning to Guillaume, Dominik, and Thorsten. Appreciate you taking my question. This is Olivier Brochet from Credit Suisse. I hope all of you are doing well. I have two questions: the first concerns non-current PDPs. Could you give us some insight into how those discussions with airlines and lessors are going, and share whatever you can that would help us grasp the direction and momentum — whether things are shifting? My second question is somewhat more — it's longer-term in nature, at this point, what would you say represents the greatest strategic threat you face, especially when it comes to the competitive balance with what I'd call your unforeseeable Chinese competitor? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#34

I'll handle the negotiation with our customers, the airlines, the lessors, and specifically on the matter of PDPs — pre-delivery payments — and deliveries. There's a contractual framework in place that establishes certain limits and grants Airbus certain rights, but, as I mentioned before, this is also a crisis that we all need to get through together, since tomorrow will come. We're working hard to strike the best balance between standing up for our rights and still being able to get through today, the coming month, the coming quarter, the coming year. Every airline's circumstances differ greatly. Once they've found a path through the crisis and secured their own financing, talks become simpler — the hardest point is when they're under intense short-term pressure from cash outflow. Naturally, as you'd expect, things get tougher then, and their first priority is surviving the near term. So the situations vary enormously, and we expect the lessors to play their part fully in the current circumstances. They came into this crisis in good shape, so we're counting on them to act as a very strong shock absorber and to help address the liquidity situation we're seeing across the industry. So we are enforcing our rights, but at the same time we're behaving as well as we can as partners — without putting our own position at risk, being very firm about protecting ourselves, yet doing so in a collaborative manner.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#35

Honestly, this is a tough one. As for the greatest strategic threat — well, essentially, what we're concentrating on is how well we can adjust to the circumstances, rebalance the money coming in against the money going out, and make sure that we will be, once more at a later point, on stable footing and then generating positive free cash flows, so that when conditions begin to improve or speed up — which may happen, which will happen at some point — we can go full throttle and move as quickly as we can. Because the race that we restart once this phase of protecting ourselves and riding out the storm is over — and that will probably be better weather, good times — there we want to be extremely quick, extremely nimble, and we want to be in a position to invest further and advance our products, and that, I believe, is the greatest threat. The danger is getting stuck past the first month of the crisis, being unable to compete again. We're doing all we can to be in the strongest shape to compete again later. We believe we have the right products, we have plenty of ideas about what we could do better, and we have ambition for this industry.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#36

Our view is that decarbonization of the environment and the demand for flight will remain as they were. We will continue putting money into the right products—as we have stated quite plainly—and we will keep developing the XLR, and we believe this will be an extremely, extremely competitive game in the post-COVID-19 landscape. So we are somewhat schizophrenic, I think in English that is—very cautious in the near term, yet in order to be, again, very aggressive and very ambitious over the medium and long term in innovating and investing, and that is what makes the situation complex. I attempted to draw a bit of a dividing line between the near-term problems we perceive and the more medium-term and long-term picture; I am, and we are, fundamentally convinced that the need and the willingness to fly will return after this confinement and this very painful loss of freedom caused by COVID-19.

Olivier Brochet

analyst
#37

Thanks so much.

Operator

operator
#38

Our next question comes from Zafar Khan at Societe Generale. Your line is open now. Go ahead, please.

Zafar Khan

analyst
#39

Thank you very much. This is Zafar Khan from Societe Generale. Good morning, everyone, and I hope all of you are well and safe. Two questions from me, please. First, on how deliveries will be phased across this production period: given that at the beginning of the year you were aiming for 880 deliveries this year, I imagine there are quite a few aircraft in production right now. So how does the new production rate get phased in, and how does that connect with deliveries for this year? Because we've discussed production for this year but haven't really said much about deliveries. Second, you mentioned the need to adapt the cost structure to right size the business given the considerable uncertainty at the moment: what term assumptions will underlie the restructuring you will be doing, how do you view the future, and then how do you set the right cost base?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#40

Those are all really important questions, so thank you. I hope you're staying safe as well. Thanks for what you said at the start, and we're fine on our side. Yes, we had issued guidance of 880 deliveries. In Q1 we delivered 122. We have 60 that were produced but not delivered. We've chosen not to provide guidance for the Euro, or to pull that guidance, since deliveries are the hardest thing to forecast right now, and that comes out of the very detailed effort we're carrying out — what we call airline by airline, plane by plane, and quite often at the top level of the company. That work isn't finished. We have short-term agreements in place with most of the airlines, but we still need to secure more of a mid-term nature. By mid-term I mean at least 2020 and 2021. That's what we're working through with the airlines, and we believe things should be restabilized at some point in June. By stabilized, I mean better visibility — better visibility not just for 2020, and here I come to the second part of your question, but also for what the recovery will look like. All the bottom-up work we're doing with the airlines, along with the modeling, the simulations, and the data we're gathering and computing, tells us the single line is very likely to recover faster than the wide bodies, though that depends on the data, on the assumptions we feed into the models, and also, I think, on this ongoing discussion with customers.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#41

It's really hard to predict right now when a recovery is going to happen, or how fast it will move. So that's the reason we continue putting in the work. Our aim is to adapt costs to what we call the resizing of the business, and to gain more visibility than we currently have, so that we can be as fitting and as suitable as we possibly can. Naturally, there's a trade-off between the short term and the mid term. As we've mentioned previously, we believe a recovery is highly probable. Once this downward phase passes, there will be another ramp up. That second romp up might be extremely aggressive on the single line, so we need to bear that in mind — yet it won't stop us from taking the right actions in the short term, since we consider it absolutely essential to align our cash out with actual cash in, and to recover this profitability, this capacity to reinvest and to essentially restart competition and be a performing company. That's either a non-answer or my way of saying we haven't yet reached the point of knowing where we want to land when it comes to mid-term or long-term resizing. We're adapting very aggressively to the short term and assessing very comprehensively what the most probable new scenario for aviation looks like over the next year.

Zafar Khan

analyst
#42

That's really useful. Thanks.

Operator

operator
#43

We now go to Doug Harned with Bernstein, whose line is open. Go right ahead.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#44

Good morning, and thanks. Airbus has noted in earlier downturns that relying on temps and contractors provided room to shrink operations. At that time, roughly 20% of the workforce was the figure mentioned, though it was never truly required the way it is now. First question: regarding worker furloughs, you're referring to temporary staff usage — how large a workforce cut is achievable, on what timeline, and when would we see the effect? That's my first question. Second, as airlines seek cash and financing for progress payments and deliveries, as you mentioned, I know you're dealing with lessors, but could you say whether you're seeing the ECAs actually engaged now in tackling these issues? And would Airbus consider providing some of that financing on its own if necessary?

Dominik Asam

executive
#45

Alright, so there are two questions here. Regarding the temporary workers and the furloughs <<inaudible>>, in certain of our home countries we're somewhat less exposed, since those governments provide support programs that, in fact, let us adjust our headcount very, very rapidly. It also varies by country, and these arrangements can last for fairly extended periods, and as Guillaume already mentioned, we intend to make wide use of such programs to bring down our cost structure. Consider the new production levels — they're roughly a third lower, and at least for what's left to do this year, that's about the goal for rebalancing and taking the cost out. When it comes to financing for our customers, the ECAs are genuinely quite valuable, and we're beginning to engage with them again in far more intensive discussions. The lessor markets had somewhat pushed them aside. In prior years, I believe only 2% of our deliveries involved ECAs, and we expect this will be an extremely important instrument going forward, and the signals coming from our home nations about backing us on this very challenging path leave us quite encouraged. Right now we're working through the initial cases with customers where we're attempting to take advantage of these tools.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#46

Would Airbus ever contemplate handling the financing on its own in certain situations?

Dominik Asam

executive
#47

Honestly, this is genuinely a last-resort kind of thing. Like we mentioned, although we're well-protected, we think—considering the cash flow profile we anticipate and the liquidity resources at our disposal—that doesn't automatically mean we're able to prop up the whole ecosystem. So naturally, should a special situation arise, I wouldn't rule it out, but it ought to stay the exception.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#48

All right, thanks.

Operator

operator
#49

The following question comes from Celine Fornaro at UBS. Your line is open now. Please proceed.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#50

Good morning, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my question, and I hope you and your families are all well. So, if I may, I would have two questions. The first one is for Guillaume, just to come back on your comments regarding the medium-term demand for aviation. We've got the Southwest CEO yesterday saying that it probably takes five years for business travel to recover from a crisis. I was wondering if you see anything that is probably more structural that would limit the air traffic growth and that we wouldn't have these 15 years doubling that we had for the last two to three decades. So something to do with environment competition and other things. My second question would be regarding the Chinese deliveries. I remember early April you alluded to the fact that potentially we could have or envisage deliveries restarting China during Q2. I was just wondering where we are on those? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#51

Thanks, Celine. I hope things are going well for you as well. Regarding near-term demand, that is somewhat the crystal ball that all of us are trying to work with. If we take the very long view, all of us believe that basically nothing has changed because of COVID-19, but over the long term — three to five years — it is harder. That is genuinely the tough part of the equation. What are those so-called structural factors that might alter the picture we had before COVID-19, where there is potentially a shift in people's willingness to fly in the wake of the crisis? I think before three — after three to five years it will probably be back to where it stood before we witnessed similar situations with steroids in 2001. People returned to flying faster than we had thought. We had the <<inaudible>>. It was somewhat the same reacceleration following the crisis, but every crisis is different, so we must stay very prudent. It could also be the impact of the economic downturn. It is going to be a worldwide economic crisis as well, not just your health crisis, and we do not know how long it will take. Our assessment for the single line is not that gloomy, but we are very prudent.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#52

Like I mentioned earlier, we don't believe our evaluation with the airlines has reached its conclusion. With respect to wide-body, our view is that additional time will be needed, and full COVID-19 recovery scenarios likely fall somewhere between 2023 and 2025, though that work continues. Many studies have come out from many different parties. It's a picture that keeps shifting. Trying to be right too soon would, I think, be a mistake on our part. We remain right in the middle of the health crisis, and anything beyond that is somewhat excessive speculation. And China — yes, things are recovering there, and we will see deliveries in Q2 in China.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#53

Appreciate it.

Operator

operator
#54

Moving on to the next question, which comes from Andrew Humphrey at Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open, so please go ahead.

Andrew Humphrey

analyst
#55

Hi, thanks so much for taking my questions, and I hope everyone's doing well. Just a couple of items, if I may. First, on the clear commentary you've provided about wanting to balance cash coming in with cash going out, which I think clearly suggests some reluctance to build a significant amount of inventory during the year. There was clearly a range of expectations out there right now in terms of deliveries. You've highlighted that any further adjustments in production might be small from the levels that you've indicated. So, while clearly, you've said it's very hard to give guidance on deliveries for the full year, should we take those revised production rates as indicating at least the midpoint of a wide range for where you believe deliveries could be for the full year? And then the second and related point is, I think your approach in terms of limiting inventory build is clearly very prudent. And you obviously have a situation particularly on single hand where your main competitor has built a lot of inventory over the last year or so as a result of the next grounding; can you talk about how you are working with customers to mitigate the potential — sorry, to defend the long-term profitability of your core business when you can see this crude oil is kind of quite problematic to this in terms of broader industry inventory build, which clearly is not appropriate for the current situation the industry finds itself in?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#56

Yeah, you'll take it?

Dominik Asam

executive
#57

Let me take a shot at the cash phasing question, and then the deliveries; I think all I can really do is repeat that deliveries are the core thing to predict. And here's how we think about cash phasing: we began with roughly EUR4.4 billion negative in Q1, and as you've seen, the vast majority of that was essentially tied to the 60 aircraft inventory builds. So at delivery rates like 122, we don't see ourselves burning much cash, so to speak; and don't forget the seasonality, where Q1 is more difficult anyway. Now, the June quarter is going to be the toughest one, because, as Guillaume also hinted, in terms of deliveries it's probably the toughest and most difficult one to speak about, and the measures we're currently taking on the supply chain carry a certain latency, and they really give us relief on sourcing more in Q3. And that's why we think — and we'll flip back in Q3 — even if deliveries don't snap back massively, cash should improve significantly, and then, toward the end of the year, that's the big question mark.

Dominik Asam

executive
#58

So will we just stay stuck at a low level and reach cash flow breakeven—which we actually think is achievable even under the more depressed scenario, given all the measures we're considering? Or do we get some kind of snapback in deliveries that would push us to a higher figure? What you're really asking is the crystal ball question: how much inventory will we be carrying at year-end at these production rates? We can't answer that, because we'd first have to know the deliveries. That said, if we find inventory building up too much, then, as Guillaume hinted, we'd have to change the production rate—perhaps sooner than the June timeframe.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#59

Regarding the long-term angle you brought up, we believe our ability to compete and stay strong over the long term remains intact — perhaps even better than before, since COVID-19's effect on our biggest rival, on top of the tough situation they were already dealing with, is likely making us stronger. So I want to stay very prudent about this and always very humble when it comes to competition. We tend to underestimate what the other guys can do, but I think our product range is the right one for coming out of the crisis — we have the 220. What I mean is, we see a tendency toward smaller planes, what they call smaller modules in the airlines, somewhat smaller modules than before COVID, and that's one of the few trends we could observe. And the 220 and the 321 and the XLR for long range and the 350 are particularly well positioned. So I think we truly have the ability to keep competing, and as we've told you before, we believe we're doing the right things to get through the crisis without jeopardizing our main projects to compete against.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#60

I mean, in the near term I'm being very prudent—we want to do everything right so we have no regrets and don't respond too late or too timidly—but on the other side, we're also viewing the future with a lot of positivity; we have strong belief in this industry, even amid this major downturn.

Andrew Humphrey

analyst
#61

Thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#62

Robert Stallard from Vertical Research has the next question. Your line is open now, so please proceed.

Robert Stallard

analyst
#63

Thanks a lot, and good morning. I've just got a couple of questions. First, Guillaume, clearly a very large quantity of aircraft is parked right now. In your view, how many of those parked planes will return to active service? And second, on the research and development side, what will your priorities be going forward from here? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#64

All right. So when you mention parked aircraft, I take it you mean those belonging to airlines across the global industry. Well, yes, the scale really is enormous. There's a distinct pattern emerging among carriers that either locked in adequate liquidity — and the steps we took got us through the crisis — and all of our state-sponsored ones were already in solid shape going into it. From our conversations with them, it's obvious their mindset is fragile, as I mentioned to you earlier regarding Airbus, which is doing the right things: survive over the short term but compete once more, and in that competition they plainly place the environment at the top of their list. I believe most airlines grasp that this is essential for the year, for the remainder of the 21st century at minimum, and the crisis may well be a chance to speed up fleet transformation or shrinking the CO2 footprint of their airplanes. So you have two rival trends: the most forward-looking carriers, which aim to bring in new planes, modern equipment, low-emission aircraft, low fuel burn, and they'll move very fast down that road — which benefits us — and perhaps certain others that are parking planes and will bring them back into service while minimizing their cash investment, their CapEx, when the time comes, and clearly this will make for a somewhat different competitive landscape, but I believe there's room, and there will be still more room going forward, for new technologies.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#65

We’ve got these trends pulling against each other, and that’s precisely why gauging the market for new aircraft going forward is so hard for us—clearly, they’re heading in opposite directions for us. Still, the conversation we’re having right now gives me quite a bit of encouragement. R&D—well, I’ve made the environment clear, so it’s entirely about decarbonizing aviation; my view is there’s still enormous potential for human flight if we handle that part of the equation, and we’re working on it intensively, and we’ll continue to do so. I explained that near term we are <<inaudible>> and slowing down for cash purposes, but the moment we gain more visibility and room to invest again, we’ll be back—and likely moving faster on certain projects. We continue working and continue believing in automation and robotization of production, in full 3D design of both the product and the production system, and in digital in a big way. We believe the connected plane, artificial intelligence and data before it comes into play, and the digital native plane—which in my view is the next generation of aircraft—these are the priorities that remain, or are even reinforced, by the crisis; and there’s probably a new item on the agenda, or one that has gained greater importance on board itself: cost and manufacturing, and we’ve worked very heavily on those matters in the past—it wasn’t too widely known by the general public; we focus more on safety and later on security, more than on health.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#66

We’ve done the prep work, though this is likely to become a bigger topic as we go forward after what I’d call this COVID-19 scar on the whole world.

Robert Stallard

analyst
#67

That's wonderful, and I really appreciate it.

Operator

operator
#68

Christophe Menard from Kepler Cheuvreux has the next question. Your line is open now. Go ahead, please.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#69

Yes, good morning. Two questions from me. Thanks for taking it. The first concerns your capacity to recover, and specifically the point you raised about needing to right size the organization once demand comes back, particularly on single-aisle. What sort of ramp-up should we expect — in the past you had lead times of 12 to 18 months, so what are you thinking when demand does recover? My second question is longer term. The Embraer-Boeing deal has collapsed. Do you believe that might alter the competitive position or the competitive landscape going forward, since I would expect Embraer to likely look for other potential partners — what is your view on where things stand at the moment?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#70

Okay, so ramp-up — and particularly single-aisle ramp-up. We're going from 60 down to roughly 40, and running down is industrially simpler than ramping up. On the financial side, we know it's very tough for the suppliers and for us, and that's what we're handling right now. Our conversations with customers and our review of forward-looking demand clearly lead us to believe a ramp-up will happen again. The question is when — when, and at what pace? So your question is a very valid one. For us, I see two separate questions. The first is going from 40 to 60, getting back to 60. We know the industrial systems are capable, they've demonstrated 60, and over the last six months we've even shown that we're now handling the complexity of the 321 of ACF — all of that has finally been digested. So what we want to preserve over the next month is the ability to get back to 60, not too slowly, if demand returns, and we believe it will return. Then there's the rate beyond 60.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#71

You've likely heard or seen by now that we've chosen to pause the investment we had in the new A321 final assembly line over in Toulouse. What we've done is pause that investment, not cancel it, and we'll pick it back up at a later stage. So we still bear in mind that mid-term demand might be higher and could warrant going beyond 60 — but today we aren't putting money in for that, and we'd restart those investments once we have a clear picture. Put differently, I believe the recovery from 40 to 60 could happen rather fast, or probably somewhat faster than what we managed in prior years when climbing up to 60, because we're prepared. The industrial system's capacity is already in place. We're working with offsets and suppliers to ensure it isn't damaged, or isn't damaged too much, so that we can recover. Past 60, that's a different matter, and we'd need a far clearer assessment — and if we truly get to the other side of the river, before we restart investing heavily in production rates, well, we're not there yet. We think the products would deserve it, we think the family of the 320, including the XLR, will be a very successful family over the coming decade, but being right too early would be a mistake on our part, okay.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#72

And while I bring — well, what can you say, in a crisis such as this, collateral damages occur; I believe this is a collateral damage for our competitors, and so I would view it more favorably for us. Now, we see that we have our own challenges. I think the 220 was, is and will remain a very strong product, and we are very committed to it. I think it's very well suited to the post-crisis post COVID-19 crisis, and I am very happy that we made this investment two years ago, that we reinforced our position; it cost money, and at present we know that it's an investments, but I think it's a very valuable and adequate investment for the future. That's a very good plane, and it's a very good program under right point in time for Airbus.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#73

Thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#74

Harry Breach from MainFirst has the following question. Your line is open now, so please proceed.

Harry Breach

analyst
#75

Yes. Good morning, Guillaume and Dominik. Thank you for taking my question, and I wish everyone with you on the Airbus team good health or a quick return to it. I just had two questions; maybe one for Guillaume and one for Dominik. Dominik, perhaps first: you spoke earlier about matching cash-in and cash-out, and you mentioned the crystal ball challenge of forecasting inventory and deliveries later in the year. I guess the other important side of cash-in is PDP flows, and I know when we spoke back in late March, there was a point where you said the vast majority is still paying and then there were fewer. Can you possibly give us some feeling about PDP flows, whether it's sort of what's being made on-schedule or some metric about what you'd expect, just so we can have some way to think in our models about PDPs? And then maybe just for Guillaume — Guillaume, again, coming back to what you have said to us in March about 737 MAX customers and potentially the interest of some MAX customers in diversifying their single-aisle fleets, particularly as we come up to 12 month anniversaries of the grounding. Can you share with us sort of any thoughts about the level of interest you're seeing?

Harry Breach

analyst
#76

Has it disappeared, maybe among those MAX customers, and could you tell us how you’re looking at them?

Dominik Asam

executive
#77

Okay, on cash-in and cash-out — you're correct that PDPs, apart from the POD, are the main piece of cash-in for us. Still, I don't want to go further than what Guillaume covered regarding conversations with individual customers. What I'd say is we're examining Q4 and aiming to get cash-out to a point where we can handle even severely pessimistic cash-in scenarios; that's the sort of thing to aim for, a worst-case floor; you never know where the true floor lies, but based on everything visible today and every customer discussion we're having, if we consider both the POD we can anticipate and the PDPs we can anticipate, and then attempt to resize the cost base. And the central question is, naturally, the rates — if deliveries were to fall further, we might need to adjust, as we mentioned earlier, in June. For now, though, it's about getting these two back into balance no later than the December quarter. And rest assured, we aren't counting on 100% of PDPs arriving at that moment.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#78

Well, regarding customers and where our competitor stands on the single line, I think there isn’t much I have to add versus what I said in March — it wasn’t that long ago. Obviously, every airline is focused on short-term liquidity and on how long the planes on the ground would last for them, and when is to return to service and how long they need to sustain the crisis. So, we don’t see airlines being very active on that side of the equation, but it’s not unlikely that it will come later. So short-term, I would say it to be survival mode for everybody.

Harry Breach

analyst
#79

Thanks.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#80

Did that wrap up the questions? No — there's one more?

Operator

operator
#81

Carter Copeland has the final question. Your line is open, so please proceed.

Carter Copeland

analyst
#82

Squeezing in the final question here. Thanks so much, gentlemen. I'm pleased everyone is staying healthy, and I hope that continues. Guillaume, just a few quick items: first, regarding the 60 aircraft that were not delivered during the quarter, could you give us some detail on how much of that stemmed from financial distress and the inability to take the plane due to a financial condition, as opposed to simply the logistics of being unable to move a crew across international borders or wanting to steer clear of quarantines and the like? Any detail on that would be helpful, I think. And second, regarding the June timeframe you mentioned for knowing more, is there something about that date that makes it a significant decision point? Is that when airlines gain enough visibility into forward bookings and recovery that they feel somewhat more confident about how 2021 will look? Any detail there would be helpful. Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#83

Regarding the 16th — well, I do have the breakdown by type, though a breakdown by reason isn't really something I have. Essentially, it began in China; what I can say clearly off the top of my head is that 19 planes were slated for delivery in February in China to Chinese airlines, and those Chinese airlines did not take them, for a number of obvious reasons. They simply couldn't travel anymore. They couldn't travel to Europe, and then Europe went into lockdown. In my view, I'd say the vast majority of cases involve a combination of reasons, but not financial distress itself just yet. That simply wasn't the situation yet. This perhaps brings me to the second part of your question, about the June timeframe. Apart from Chinese airlines, which are ahead of the pack, for most of the others the crisis is a month or a month and a half old, so it's actually very young. The time required to handle a very short-term situation — your planes to hand over, all the staff, what you do with your customers, your passengers, the tickets and so forth — and to begin talking with your lenders, with many stakeholders, with governments: that is what the airlines have done up to now.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#84

As I mentioned earlier today, we’re seeing airlines that have secured their viability through the crisis, and those are the ones with whom we’re beginning to have visibility—but that’s just to share. Not every airline regains its own visibility, and to reach agreements with us in the short term and the mid term, they need to do that. So the June timeframe is our assessment today of how long it will take to restabilize a new scenario in this new world. On top of that for us, it’s more the time it takes to run to get more data points, including from governments, also on the virus itself and the health dimension of the crisis, to understand better—and the economic impact to understand better what the scheme of recovery will be. The speed of recovery of traffic, of the number of planes in the year, and what it means for demand—and this is important for us to have this mid-term or long-term view that will lead to decisions, okay. So that’s basically what I can share with you, and these are the main reasons why we think by June we will be more educated than we are today.

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#85

Ladies and gentlemen, that brings this call to a close for now. Should anything else come up, feel free to email Philippe <<inaudible>> or me directly, and we'll respond as quickly as we can. Thanks so much, and I hope to talk with you all again before long. Take care.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#86

Thanks a lot. Stay safe. Bye-bye.

Operator

operator
#87

Ladies and gentlemen, that brings the conference to a close, and you’re welcome to hang up your phones now. Thanks for being with us, and enjoy the rest of your day. Goodbye.

Read the full transcript via the API

You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete Airbus SE transcript — plus 133,000+ transcripts from 7,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.

Get the API View API docs →

This call discussed

For developers and AI pipelines

Programmatic access to Airbus SE earnings transcripts and 133,000+ others is available through the EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $39.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments, full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.

More tools for stock research

OptionsBell: an unusual options activity scanner that tracks options flow across all US stocks and emails you when large trades appear in Airbus SE or any ticker on your watchlist.

StockMarketScan: a stock screener with alerts: 24 pre-built screens refreshed every 5 minutes, watchlists and email notifications. Both offer API and MCP access and fair monthly pricing.