Airbus SE (AIR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

April 29, 2021

Euronext Paris FR Industrials Aerospace and Defense earnings 59 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#1

Good morning, everyone. You're listening to the conference call on Airbus Q1 2021 results. Guillaume Faury, our CEO, and Dominik Asam, our CFO, will present the results and take your questions. We expect this call to run roughly one hour. That covers Q&A, which we'll hold after the opening presentation. The call is being webcast as well. You can reach it through our homepage, where a special banner has been posted. A playback will be available on the website, though we don't offer a dedicated phone replay service. The supporting information package went out to you by email earlier this morning. It contains the slides we'll now walk you through, along with the financial statements. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements. The safe harbor statement is included in the package you received, and it applies to this call too. Please read it carefully. Now, I'll hand things over to Guillaume.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#2

Thanks, Thorsten. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the call covering our Q1 2021 results. We appreciate your joining us today. Along with Dominik, we'll walk you through the financial results. It has now been over a year since the COVID-19 pandemic first affected us, and how the overall market environment stood in Q1 makes it clear that our industry is not through this crisis yet. The global picture today differs a great deal from place to place, and the road to recovery is, as we put it, not necessarily linear. Countries worldwide, we see, are making progress with their national vaccination campaigns. They are moving at varying speeds, though, and newly emerging variants of the virus render the sanitary situation more complex and harder. Some regions, however, are showing encouraging signs that domestic air travel is coming back. Other regions, such as Europe, have kept their travel restrictions in place or even strengthened them. Travel restrictions, particularly when they are not well-coordinated between countries, and if that happens, hurt this traffic recovery. Significant uncertainties remain before us, and they produce a lack of predictability, at least in the near term. Our view is that we must keep showing our resilience. During the first quarter, we handed over 125 commercial aircraft, a good start for us in 2021.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#3

In 2021, we don't anticipate the full delivery pattern matching what we saw before COVID-19, or naturally, matching last year either. The agreements we reached with customers during COVID times remain what's driving deliveries. Now let's turn to our financial results. Given this environment that's still uncertain, during Q1 we kept a strong emphasis on containing costs and cash while progressing on restructuring as planned. That shows up clearly in our Q1 financials along with our Q1 delivery performance. Our Q1 EBIT adjusted came in at EUR 0.7 billion versus EUR 0.3 billion in Q1 of last year. Q1 2021 free cash flow before M&A customer financing was positive EUR 1.2 billion, and it includes a strong favorable phasing impact from working capital. Our net cash position rose to positive EUR 5.6 billion as of the end of March 2021. With our full-year 2020 disclosure, so by the middle of Feb, we set a 2021 guidance to give some visibility in a complex business environment. Based on everything we see today, we're keeping that guidance unchanged. Let's examine our commercial positioning in greater detail. Global air traffic entered 2021 more weakly than industry forecasts had expected.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#4

The decline stemmed from worsening conditions across most international markets, including mainland China, where people were asked to remain at home over the traditional Chinese New Year travel period. But since March, looking at ASK, or available seat kilometers, we're seeing varying trends by region. Mainland China has now surpassed pre-crisis levels. Encouraging recovery signals are also emerging from domestic North America. Domestic Europe, by contrast, is lagging substantially, having reached under 50% of pre-crisis levels over recent months and weeks. On top of that, international traffic worldwide is still very weak, and the latest worsening of the health situation, as in India, is a reminder of how fragile the recovery is. Amid this uneven commercial landscape, we're juggling various priorities across differing time frames. For 2021, we remain focused on handling deliveries to our customers in this unpredictable environment with restricted visibility, while keeping a close watch on the health—especially the financial health—of those customers. Looking past 2021, we can now set the right ramp-up profile for single-aisle aircraft. Our expectation of a market recovery remains, with a full recovery anticipated somewhere between 2023 and 2025, and domestic and regional markets spearheading it.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#5

That ramp-up profile has to factor in that certain customers will need to repair their balance sheets as they come out of the crisis. Allow me to take you back over our Q1 orders and backlog. We took 39 gross orders, 38 of which were single aisle. Cancellations came to 100, and those had for the most part already been reflected in the backlog valuation we gave you at year-end 2020. Net orders came in at minus 61 aircraft, while our backlog in units was 6,998 — extremely close to 7,000 aircraft. Turning to helicopters, during Q1 2021 we booked 40 net orders against 54 in the first quarter of last year. For 2021, we observe solid momentum for campaigns in our home countries, particularly in public services, though the commercial helicopter market is still soft. We are pleased to welcome the latest governmental orders, for instance France's order for eight more H225M plus a second prototype of the VSR700 unmanned aerial system, known as such, under the French stimulus plan for the aeronautical industry. On defense and space, our order intake in Q1 2021 reached EUR 2 billion, a Book-to-bill of roughly 0.9, which is a good result for our first quarter. In the course of the quarter, EUR 0.8 billion of orders were booked in space systems, among them the Eutelsat order to build a geostationary telecommunication satellite, the contract signed with Intelsat for two OneSat satellites, and the order from JSAT, the leading operator in Japan, which has become the first Japanese telecommunications operator to order a satellite from Europe.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#6

Additionally, we secured orders valued at EUR 0.8 billion for military aircraft, which encompassed repeat business in military services, along with EUR 0.3 billion in connected intelligence. Regarding FCAS—the Future Combat Air System—substantial effort has been invested thus far by the states and manufacturers. Under Airbus leadership, we reached an agreement with our partners across every pillar for what is called Demonstrator Phase 1B. Talks are presently underway with the three customer nations, and our shared ambition is, and continues to be, to fully converge shortly so we can proceed toward contracting this highly significant effort—the so-called Demo Phase 1B—in a timely manner. On Eurodrone, we are gratified by the advancement achieved among industrial partners and governments, and we applaud the budget committee of the German Bundestag's decision, which represents a crucial milestone prior to securing a contract signature. All in all, solid progress in Q1. At this point Dominik will walk you through the financials. Dominik, the floor is yours.

Dominik Asam

executive
#7

Thank you, Guillaume, and good morning everyone. In the first quarter of 2021, our revenues held broadly steady compared with the same period a year earlier. Adjusted EBIT for Q1 rose to EUR 0.7 billion. That figure mirrors the cost containment measures we keep applying for as long as significant uncertainties in our commercial environment must be dealt with. It likewise mirrors a favorable mix as well as a positive hedging impact. Looking ahead, we intend to make our cost savings more sustainable and to support our trajectory of earnings and cash growth in periods beyond 2021. Research and development expenses fell 6% year-on-year. For the full year 2021, we still expect research and development expenses at a level similar to 2020. Adjusted earnings per share in Q1 came to EUR 0.58 per share, calculated on an average of 784 million shares. Free cash flow before M&A and customer financing in Q1 amounted to EUR 1.2 billion. That is chiefly the result of a strong positive phasing impact from working capital and mirrors our ongoing efforts on cash containment. Moving to the next slide on profitability: reported EBIT for Q1 2021 was EUR 0.5 billion. EBIT adjustments came to a negative EUR 0.2 billion in total, comprising EUR 29 million negative tied to A380 program cost, minus a EUR 177 million impact from foreign exchange mismatch and balance sheet revaluation, and minus EUR 26 million of other costs, compliance costs included.

Dominik Asam

executive
#8

The earnings per share figure we reported includes EUR 59 million of positive financial results. That mainly reflects revaluation of financial instruments and how the US dollar moved, plus EUR 43 million tied to Dassault Aviation, partly offset by a net interest result of minus EUR 82 million. On the core business, the tax rate sits at around 27%. The effective tax rate on net income comes to 34%, hit by impairments of deferred tax assets in certain tax jurisdictions and on certain investments. Net income as a result is €4.4 billion, and reported earnings per share is €0.46. Turning to our hedging activities. In Q1 2021, $4.5 billion of hedges matured at a rate of 116, with the associated EBIT impact versus 119 in Q1 2020. For the full year 2021, we expect an average hedge rate of 121 compared to 119 in 2020. Over the remaining nine months, we expect a negative year-on-year impact. During the quarter, we further adjusted how our hedges are phased by implementing $4.8 billion of rollovers. We also put in place $4.6 billion of forwards at a rate of 122, and $1.2 billion of hedges were disqualified. Our total hedging portfolio in US dollars stands at $79.8 billion, with an average hedge rate of 126 versus $81 billion, also at 126 in December 2020.

Dominik Asam

executive
#9

Now let's examine how cash moved during Q1 2021. Gross cash flow from operations came in at €8.6 billion, which chiefly mirrors our EBIT adjusted and takes in a €4.3 billion provision consumption tied to the restructuring plan. Working capital fell by €1 billion, and that figure reflects a significant phasing impact from working capital, in our divisions as well. So far this year, the A400M went on weighing on free cash flow before M&A, though to a lesser degree than during Q1 2020. CapEx for Q1 stood at roughly minus €4.5 billion, unchanged from Q1 2020. Looking at 2021, we anticipate CapEx will land at a level comparable to 2020. Reported free cash flow was €1.2 billion. M&A activities came to just minus EUR 7 million, while customer financing amounted to an outflow of merely minus EUR 31 million. Such a low level of customer financing might not be sustainable as we move ahead. We plan to offset the cash consumption impact through external financing sources, with backing from export credit agencies. By the end of March, our net cash position had risen to EUR 5.6 billion, and liquidity remains solid at EUR 34.8 billion. We pushed out the maturity of our supplemental liquidity line by six months, preserving a high degree of flexibility amid the uncertain conditions brought about by COVID-19.

Dominik Asam

executive
#10

Over to you, Guillaume.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#11

Thanks, Dominik. Moving to commercial aircraft. In Q1 2021, as mentioned, we handed over 125 aircraft to 44 customers. Following a sluggish beginning to the year, we delivered 72 aircraft in March. Looking at the Q1 2021 picture by aircraft family, on A220 we delivered nine aircraft. As previously announced, our production rate went up from four to five per month as of the end of Q1 2021. The A220 continues to demonstrate high utilization rates throughout the pandemic thanks to low operating cost, and it is expected to emerge as one of the strongest post-crisis solutions. On A320, we delivered 105 aircraft, 46 of which were A321s. As planned, we will gradually raise our A320 production rate to 43 in Q3 and 45 in Q4. The A321XLR — development of the XLR remains on track. Let's move to wide bodies. We delivered 11 aircraft, of which 10 A350s and one A330neo. On March 18, the first A350 test flight with 100% sustainable aviation fuel took off, a very visible demonstration of our ambition to lead the decarbonization of the aviation industry and a demonstration that it's possible. Now let's look at Airbus commercial financials for the first quarter.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#12

Sales came in 4% lower than a year earlier, largely because services volumes were weaker. The rise in adjusted EBIT is chiefly a reflection of our efforts to contain costs, along with a favorable mix. It also takes in a positive contribution from hedging. Turning to helicopters, during Q1 2021 we handed over 39 aircraft, or helicopters, altogether. That is 8 fewer helicopters than in the first quarter of 2020. The main reason is the anticipated drop in H145 deliveries during Q1 that followed the launch of the new version — the five-bladed version of the 145, as it is called. Sales mirror that reduced volume in commercial helicopters, partly offset by growth in services. Adjusted EBIT climbed to EUR 62 million, propelled by services, program execution, and reduced R&D spending after the certifications in 2020 — that is, last year — of the H160 and the new five-bladed version of the H145. Moving now to defense and space. Sales are flat versus Q1 2020. The gain in adjusted EBIT chiefly reflects continued cost containment and the positive phasing in the first quarter. On the A400M, 1 delivery to the French customer was completed in Q1. We will carry on with development work aimed at reaching the revised capability roadmap. Retrofit work is moving forward in close alignment with our customers.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#13

There are still certain risks around building out technical capabilities and the related expenses tied to aircraft operational reliability — especially where power plants are concerned — as well as around reducing costs and around locking in export orders on schedule under the revised baseline. I'd like to take you back to the guidance we put out in February. In setting its 2021 guidance, the company is assuming there will be no additional disruptions affecting the world economy, air traffic, the company's internal operations, or its capacity to deliver products and services. The company's 2021 guidance is pre-M&A. On that basis, for 2021 the company is targeting at minimum the same commercial aircraft delivery count as 2020, EBIT adjusted of EUR 2 billion, and free cash flow before M&A and customer financing at break-even. On this last slide, I'll recap our key priorities, which clearly are unchanged from our full-year disclosure. Having gotten off to a good start in the first quarter, we'll keep concentrating on handing over aircraft as agreed with our customers and managing the backlog, completing the rollout of our restructuring, and getting the single-aisle ramp-up ready for the point when the market recovers. That point is arriving sooner now. Clearly, our priorities extend past 2021. We intend to become more resilient to unexpected changes, which will inevitably occur from time to time in this complex and fast-moving world, to allow more complex and more innovative products to ramp up far faster than previously, and to boost our competitiveness by consolidating and simplifying our industrial setup, which today remains partially fragmented across the company, our subsidiaries, and suppliers.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#14

We aim to use today's reduced production rates as a chance to get the Airbus industrial system of the future fully ready. With that in mind, we've chosen to make fuselage aerostructured assembly central to our Airbus production system, and we plan to set up two new aerostructures entities — one in France and one in Germany — plus a third entity based in Germany that will be a strong global player for detailed parts. Our view is that now is the right moment to turn our industrial system into a single digital design and production stream, which also gets us ready for the next generation aircraft, likely to have an architecture different from today's. This will also back and add to our ambition to lead the decarbonization of our industry. That ambition rests on Airbus being the first aircraft manufacturer to have disclosed its so-called Scope three use of sold goods emissions, so there's a firm reference point against which improvements will be measured. Meanwhile, we've put money into innovation and into transforming our company to deliver on our long-term ambitions across the portfolio. Thorsten, I think, looking at you now, we're ready for your questions. Thorsten?

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#15

Sure. We’re moving into the Q&A portion now. When you ask a question, please give your name and your company. Kindly keep it to 2 questions at once, and that counts sub-questions too. As always, please also speak clearly and at a slower pace so that everyone on the call—especially those of us here—can follow what you’re asking. Go ahead and walk the participants through how this will work.

Operator

operator
#16

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, the question and answer session now starts. Anyone who would like to ask a question can press zero one on your telephone keypad, and if you want to take yourself out of the question and answer section queue, you can press zero two on your telephone keypad. Participants are requested to use only a handset when asking a question. Once again, anyone who has a question can press zero one on your telephone keypad. We have one first question from Madam Céline Fornaro from UBS. Madam, please go ahead.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#17

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. It's a really solid start to the year, Guillaume and Dominik Asam and the rest of the team. Could you share your thinking on what comes next, in terms of how we should think about the quarterly cadence, or at least first half versus second half views on, for example, cash, since you appear able to hold break even as long as production stays low. Do we perhaps need to begin considering a potential cash headwind in the final quarter as you fund the future ramp-up for next year? And also, how are you thinking about cash when it comes to rebalancing it, which was a challenge over the last years given how much H2 weighting there was? Do you see this year as a somewhat unusual profile, or does it also let you say, "Okay, we've rebased, and now we won't return to that massive H2 skew again, for the better and to make this company more resilient," as Guillaume said? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#18

Thank you, Céline. It's always a pleasure to kick off the Q&A with your questions. Yes, indeed, Q1 is a good start when it comes to deliveries, and on the financial side as well. I mentioned that we'll keep working hard to make progress over the course of the year. The Q1 start was weak. You'll recall that deliveries in January and February were weak. We recovered very significantly in March. I guess Q2 will also not be very linear, and we see that the environment is a complex one. In April, we had new lockdowns and new restrictions in Germany and in France, which have made our life a bit more difficult. I want to remain prudent, but we want to believe the situation will improve, probably in the second half of the year, with the good progress of the vaccination campaigns. Again, we don't have that much visibility on the short term, but we think we are gaining visibility on the more midterm, and that's probably what's driving the fact that we maintain our provisions to start the ramp-up of single-aisle in Q3 and Q4 modestly. That's an important point for us. That's a reference point, and that's a bit the inflection point. Now, if I may, free cash flow is too serious for a CEO, so I will hand over to my CFO to answer your questions on that topic.

Dominik Asam

executive
#19

I'll leave the rocket science to Guillaume and focus on the pluses and minuses of free cash flow. Yes, we did have a very exceptional Q1 in a certain way compared to prior years. I believe 2011 was the last time we had positive free cash flow, but I think it's always worthwhile to dive into the balance sheet to really see where it came from. The biggest item changing is really on trade liabilities. It's really a question of the phasing of when we receive goods for our production system and when we pay for them. That was an increase of EUR 2.5 billion. The other noteworthy topic is that we still have, because of certain customer discussions, some advanced PDPs. That's a situation where the customer gives us the cash for the delivery but doesn't take delivery. That's, of course, better for us than not taking it. The last topic, and that was positive for Q1 as well, and you can even, if you look very carefully, see that a little bit in current liabilities, current contract liabilities, that they go up. A liability going up is cash in. Then the last point is really the overall picture on the cash phasing related to the PDPs.

Dominik Asam

executive
#20

As we mentioned at the close of last year, we had already postponed delivery of numerous aircraft while retaining the PDPs. We stated that 2021 would present a challenging situation, with a considerable adverse effect on the overall balance, and that is still expected to materialize during this year. The weight of it will fall more heavily on the later quarters. Just to give you a sense of why multiplying Q1 by four isn't a sensible approach — that wouldn't be the correct way to frame it. Indeed, you're right that the cash challenge lies much further ahead of us. Regarding the linearity of free cash flow, yes, it has gotten better in certain respects thanks to the production system. It's not truly the production side, but rather the commercial interaction with customers and the fine-tuning across the supply chain, where we must ensure we are genuinely synchronized.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#21

Sorry, Dominik — just following up on that point: with regard to the cash linearity, do you believe that could hold up?

Dominik Asam

executive
#22

On the production side, I'd say yes — we're in a more sustainable position. Again, don't expect a very strong positive free cash flow in Q1. What we saw this quarter, I think, was a little unusual.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#23

Yes. Without a doubt. Thanks.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#24

If I could just come in on that, Celine — actually, we'd already begun seeing improved linearity in free cash flow back in Q1 2020, but then the pandemic hit us in China in the middle of March, at the start of March, and in the end it didn't show up in our Q1 results; had the pandemic not happened, though, we would have started to see that better linearity versus prior years. Right now everything swings up and down, and long-term trends are hard to pin down, but we think we're performing considerably better, and we'll perform considerably better on that front going forward.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#25

That's great. Thanks so much.

Operator

operator
#26

Thanks, madam. Our following question comes from Mr. Tristan Sanson of Exane BNP Paribas. Kindly proceed.

Tristan Sanson

analyst
#27

Yes. Good morning, Guillaume, Dominik, and Thorsten. Thank you for taking my question. The first one concerns the commercial relationships that you currently have with airlines. Could you provide some detail on the kind of feedback you're getting from carriers, both by region and by carrier type — for example, flagship carrier as opposed to low cost? Which ones are looking to defer, and which ones want to accelerate, particularly in light of your remark that you have to factor in that certain customers will need to repair their balance sheets during the recovery phase of the crisis? That would be useful. The second question is a theoretical one about the margin trajectory. You delivered fairly solid cost management in Q1, as you pointed out, since you remain in cost control mode. On the whole, you're in a position where fixed cost absorption is low, and you mentioned that you were willing to be overstaffed in the short term so that a smooth ramp-up can happen down the road. I don't know whether your staffing is sized for 50 or 55 A320 a month, but it is definitely more than 40. If that's the case, it means margin progression going forward ought not to be linear and should be quite front-loaded during the recovery phase.

Tristan Sanson

analyst
#28

Is that the correct approach when it comes to developing margin? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#29

All right, I'll handle the first one, and perhaps Dominique and I can split the second question. Commercial relationships — they're actually quite varied, and that ties closely to what I said about the very different market conditions we're seeing. China has improved considerably and is viewing the coming months and years positively. That's one situation. The U.S. is also rather bullish and anticipating a very strong summer. The airlines are getting themselves prepared and ready, and we're also seeing that they're willing to begin thinking about accelerating. A few carriers are prudently looking at speeding up aircraft deliveries for 2023 and 2024, but that's a good start. Conversely, in Europe we're seeing a recovery scenario that's far worse than the airlines had anticipated, which creates very difficult circumstances for them and, in turn, for us. I'd describe it as an enormous variety of situations, and I try to capture that variety by noting that on average, for us, it remains consistent with what we told you a couple of months back at the full year results. Once you examine the details, it looks different. I term it volatility and uncertainty, since in the near term it could rise or fall — it's very hard to judge.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#30

Turning to your question about readiness for the ramp up: yes, at Airbus we are preparing ourselves for the single-aisle ramp up that's coming later this year. In fact, we already have the staff required for the start of that ramp up. On the other staffing you mentioned, I'd like to add some more detail. It doesn't concern the wide-bodies. Where the wide-bodies are concerned, we've taken the view that we'll be at low rates for an extended period, so we are adapting fully to that new situation, and the priority there is to get back to breakeven as quickly as we can. With the single aisle it's different. We believe — and I think we were right to believe — that we'd see a big dip followed by a ramp up, and we want to be sure we can deliver on that ramp up, both internally and from the supply chain side. The other staffing is financed to a large extent by our governments through what's called Kurzarbeit, APLD in France — furlough schemes that are fairly short term. Most of them will expire by the end of this year. That's the moment when we begin to see the ramp up.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#31

We believe, up to this point, that the choice to retain thousands of people with us — with a large portion of that funded by governments so we can ramp up — is a good deal for governments, for employees, and for us. So we think that will be of help to us in the ramp up. When it comes to the long-term ramp up, we'll return to traditional situations for hiring, training, and so on. Did I miss anything in the question?

Dominik Asam

executive
#32

Nope?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#33

Alright.

Dominik Asam

executive
#34

Perhaps that's simply the case.

Tristan Sanson

analyst
#35

That's everything. Thanks so much.

Dominik Asam

executive
#36

Right.

Operator

operator
#37

Thanks very much, sir. The next question comes from Mr. Benjamin Heelan at Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Benjamin Heelan

analyst
#38

Yes. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. I had a question about 2022 production and when you expect to make a decision. In your prepared remarks, you mentioned that you still see demand improving in 2022. I'm just eager to understand when we might think about a decision being made at that point. Then, a second question regarding the aerostructures announcement. You discussed it a bit in your prepared remarks, and I'm wondering if you could elaborate on that a little more. What does it mean for the group? Are there any cost savings we should be thinking about? I suppose why has that decision been made now rather than five years ago? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#39

Good morning, Ben. It's a pleasure to speak with you. Well, regarding production rates for 2020, we're in the planning stage right now, and for the single aisle, we'll keep ramping up. You can see 43 in Q3, 45 in Q4, and the ramp will continue into 2022. We've already provided indications to our supply chain, though that falls outside what we refer to as the firm horizon. Once we enter the firm horizon, we'll solidify those figures and communicate them at a later stage. For the single aisle, 2022 and 2023 bring a steep ramp up. Aero structures. Why wasn't this decision made five years ago? I don't know. I believe a couple of triggers exist today. One is the progress achieved on the project known as DDMS, which serves as the company's digital backbone. We now have greater visibility into our plans for the next generation of products, along with a better grasp of how deep the architecture changes go, and hence the core nature of aerostructure assemblies, so as to enable digital design and production of these airplanes and their production systems. Also, the fact that COVID-19 and the low level of production are giving us a window of opportunity to speed up change.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#40

So going forward, that's going to give us a great deal of capacity for bringing modern products into service far more efficiently. At that moment, it will bring down the cost base. In the near term, I wouldn't expect any major revolution, other than the fact that it sets up the conditions for success once that arrives, and lets us concentrate our investments on aero structure assemblies while giving a life to our detailed parts. It offers a chance to grow and to attract investment, though not as a core activity of Airbus, given that this isn't the priority for our investment. There's so much on our plate — the technologies, the future products, the digital systems — that we want to concentrate on this.

Benjamin Heelan

analyst
#41

So is the intention to eventually divest that detailed parts business at some future point?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#42

That’s one of the scenarios we’ll look into with our partners going forward, but the project has only just begun, and it will be one of the scenarios taken into consideration.

Benjamin Heelan

analyst
#43

All right, that's excellent. Thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#44

Thanks very much. Our following question comes from Chris Hallam at Goldman Sachs.

Chris Hallam

analyst
#45

Good morning, everyone. On the full-year call, you said that deliveries for this year would hinge on the industry hitting a tipping point in commercial demand. So I'd like to ask: is it too early to call the March delivery figures that tipping point? Second, you noted that you now have a clearer picture of the right pace for ramping up beyond 2021. Could you share some guidance on the ramp-up pace that's achievable from a supply chain standpoint and from a demand standpoint? Should we expect a pace similar to what you're doing this year, meaning A320 rates rising by five every six months? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#46

I can confirm that, from where we sit, it's too early to say we've reached the tipping point. We may be getting nearer, and I'd like to be there by the end of Q2. We'll see. We will be just ahead of the summer or in the summer, and it's not unlikely that we have that visibility, to call it the tipping point. End of March, beginning of April, that's really too early. What's the fastest possible ramp-up? That's a very important question, and we are currently doing the work with our supply chain to give an answer to that question. That's why I said it's premature to give figures for 2022. We have indicated scenarios to the supply chain. We are working with the supply chain to see what's reasonably possible, and this will be one of the drivers for when we give visibility on 2022 and the pace of recovery and of ramp-up of the single aisle that we will be targeting. Sorry to be not more explicit, but that's slightly premature. We'll probably be able to say more next quarter.

Chris Hallam

analyst
#47

Appreciate that.

Operator

operator
#48

Appreciate it, sir. The next question comes from Mr. Christophe Menard at Deutsche Bank. Go right ahead.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#49

Yes, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one concerns working capital. Indeed, trade liabilities rose in Q1. I was also wondering about inventory, which was under inventory control, or the inventory level was pretty well under control. How do you see this throughout the year? That's the first question. Second is on the aero structure reorganization. Further details, if possible. Do you intend to make more make-or-buy decisions on the basis of the reorganization? Is more CapEx needed for the DDMS, I would say, implementation, or is the CapEx already spent on this?

Dominik Asam

executive
#50

Let me address the working capital question. First of all, yes, it's true that we have more aircraft in storage. That ought to produce an increase, but on the increase side what we've observed is fairly moderate. It also shows you that in work in process we've in fact been making the situation better. You asked about the outlook at year-end. That's somewhat difficult, since it depends heavily on the delivery count. We've stated that we aim to do the 566, like last year, at minimum. The more we do, the lower inventories will be. As Guillaume mentioned, we also need to be ready for the ramp next year. That's the hard balancing act — finding the right balance between cutting cash consumption and, on the other hand, being prepared for the ramp. That's why I'm not willing to give you a firm indication of where inventories will stand at year-end, because that would imply firm guidance on what upsides, if any, exist on the 566. That's really premature, as Guillaume has already indicated.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#51

Regarding your second question, we are putting money into DDMS 2020 and 2021 as we move forward. That falls mostly under R&D. As for the CapEx needed for transforming our aero structure, there will be some spending, to a limited degree, until the point when we launch, or get ready to launch, the next generation product. At that stage, it will involve a major CapEx. Our aim is to get the industrial setup, the legal entities, the tools, and the systems ready, so this can be handled efficiently, since the next generation of industrial systems and products will look very different. We have to be ready, and that takes time. That is really one of the reasons we are doing this now.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#52

Regarding make or buy, is your intention to do more of that on programs that already exist, or under this new structure?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#53

I’m not fully clear on what you’re referring to when you say “more make or buy.”

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#54

Is your goal to bring more of the production that's currently external in-house, or would you say that's unrelated?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#55

That has nothing to do with it.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#56

All right.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#57

A lot of it will involve making, but it'll be a mix of making and buying, and those choices will get made case by case, depending on how competitive things look in the market. That's premature. Answering that question is both unrelated and premature. I'm sorry.

Christophe Ménard

analyst
#58

Alright, thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#59

Thanks, sir. Our next question comes from Mr. Charles Armitage at Citi. The line is yours.

Charles Armitage

analyst
#60

Good morning, and thank you. I was just mulling over the A220 compared with the A320. Before the pandemic, engine availability on the A320 held you back. Your aim was to hand over as many A321s as possible, and then the lower end of the range would be rounded out with A220s, roughly as a concept. These days, engine supply poses far less of a problem. Could you walk us through your thinking on the A220? Each additional sale deepens the losses, yet it potentially brings you nearer to break even. My second question, or a related one, is that the A220 looks excellent on paper, but right now it isn't profitable. When do you expect to reach break even after the pandemic, and at what rate? Conceptually, over the very long term, what drop-through margins do you foresee for the A220?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#61

Dominik, would you like to handle that question?

Dominik Asam

executive
#62

Let me begin with the A220 turnaround, perhaps from the back, and you may also want to address how our customers are making fleet decisions between choosing A220s and A320s. On profitability, as I always put it, we remain on a J-curve and are still posting losses. Thanks to the loss-making contract provisions stemming from the purchase price allocation, we are able to keep those losses down to a low triple-digit million amount. Cash usage runs considerably higher, since those loss-making contract provisions naturally provide no help on the cash side. We have consistently stated that both factories, in Mobile and Mirabel, essentially need to be ramped to a decent loading level before we reach operational break-even. The key question is how fast we can accomplish that. You can do the math yourselves. To reach full load, you would probably need something like 170 or so per year. We don't require all of that. Slightly less than that is probably what we need to reach break even. Getting there will still take us several years, because the rates we have today are far below that level. To be frank, that requires new orders.

Dominik Asam

executive
#63

Another point raised concerns how the new orders are priced, since that will settle where break even falls — specifically on the fleet choices, the A220 compared with the A320.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#64

Sure. Let me try to address the question of whether the engine is the limiting factor. During the A320neo ramp-up, that was indeed the situation, with both the Pratt & Whitney engine and the CFM engine. Say 2018, 2019, early 2020. You're correct that over the last 15 months, let's say, that was no longer true. As I mentioned a moment ago, we're right now doing the supply chain readiness analysis for the ramp-up that lies ahead of us, and the engine supply chain is a complex one as well, with certain specific parts that are always at the edge. It's too early to say that engines won't again be the limiting factor in the ramp-up. Obviously, I'm more optimistic on that front. That was the case before, but I would be prudent. As for the choice between the 220 and the 320, well, I think the overlap in market segments is very small. I don't see in recent years that we had campaigns where we would have had one and the other. It was always one or the other. They sit in different market segments. I think that's good. It shows that we have a good positioning of the different products as we speak, with strong products.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#65

We expect solid market momentum for the 220 — as we mentioned, it saw heavy use during the pandemic — and also for the 320, since that remains a very strong product line, including the new developments we've made on the 321 with the XLR, which make it truly a super product.

Charles Armitage

analyst
#66

Appreciate it.

Operator

operator
#67

Much appreciated, sir. The following question comes from Mr. Olivier Brochet of Credit Suisse. Please proceed, sir.

Olivier Brochet

analyst
#68

Yes. Morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two, if I may. The first concerns the various supply chain disruptions occurring in semiconductors. Some suppliers are reporting casting and forging problems they encountered during the quarter. Another one this morning cited productivity issues. Are you beginning to see this affect your production system, and is it something we should be worried about? My second question is about consolidation in the leasing world, with several deals having been announced. How do you react to that?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#69

Thanks, Olivier, and I appreciate your questions. Well, you’re right to highlight those topics. Over the past 12, 15 months, the biggest problems stemmed from demand, from customers, from disruption in air travel. My concern is that the primary difficulties and the primary risks we face going forward lie in the supply chain. The main reason is that every supplier has adjusted to the pandemic, with many consequences. In particular, on the single line, they’ll now have to ramp up. For a long-term industry such as ours, this roller coaster situation is extremely hard to manage. That’s why we’re strongly focused on supply chain transparency, on running scenarios, and on preparing together with our suppliers. We’ve established what we call watchtowers, and those have produced many positive results by giving us that transparency. In the various areas you mentioned, and in others as well, what we see coming is something we unfortunately expect more of over the next 12 months, and we’ll have to manage the situation. That’s also why we’re commenting prudently for the remainder of the year, because we are still in the wake of those issues.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#70

There's a major set of problems emerging on the demand side, and supply-side difficulties are beginning to appear as well. I'd describe them as challenges and complexity. We believe we have the transparency required to spot issues in advance, and so to get ahead of them and fix them before they escalate into a full-blown crisis. Of course, we must stay very humble and put in hard work, since so much of this comes down to preparation. On the topic of consolidation among lessors, my first point about the lessors is that throughout the last year they have stayed very strong. They have played a key role in letting that industry continue moving ahead through a very tough situation. It depends on the financial system being stable. That is a very important thing to mention, probably. There is no financial crisis. For us, that matters a great deal. Some consolidation is happening with players who matter to us. In fact, we do examine that consolidation. Such situations come with pros and cons. On the whole, I would say it's fine by us.

Olivier Brochet

analyst
#71

Alright, if I could just jump in on the supply chain problems — are there particular areas that you’re really zeroing in on right now?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#72

Sort of, and sort of not. There are numerous particular areas. Is there a crisis in one specific sector? I don’t believe so. What you bring up regarding semiconductors is affecting many industries, especially our friends in the car industry. At the moment, we are not too heavily exposed to that crisis. Obviously, we are monitoring the situation. I would not single out any sector that I would view as more critical by its nature today than others.

Olivier Brochet

analyst
#73

Understood. Thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#74

Appreciate that. Our next question comes from Mr. Douglas Harned at Bernstein. Sir, the floor is yours.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#75

Thanks. Morning. First question — just a follow-up on the financing picture. You mentioned early on that we might see customer financing go up. It would help to hear what shifts, if any, you're observing in the third-party and ECA financing landscape. Second, freight has been a hot market through the pandemic, and this is one area I'd say has not been an Airbus strength. Are there plans to tackle freight more aggressively? And if so, how?

Dominik Asam

executive
#76

Let me begin with financing. As you noted, things are actually quite steady right now. Financing service providers remain very much up and running, in our view. Beyond that, you brought up the export credit agencies, and those have really been contributing in a good way. The direction looks favorable, though calling it a win still feels a bit premature. That's the reason we noted that holding our vendor financing cash out at a low double-digit EUR million per quarter may prove unsustainable given current conditions, yet I don't see a surge of financing coming our way either.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#77

Thanks, Dominik. Regarding freight, it is true that Airbus has historically been weak in that market segment, especially with our wide bodies. We don't like the idea, and I don't like the idea, of staying weak there going forward. We will indeed be more aggressive, and we believe we have the products that let us be more aggressive down the road.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#78

Which products do you mean by that?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#79

I brought up wide bodies, so going forward it will sit within the wide-body segment. As for timing, that isn't clear and nothing is defined at this point. We're examining that segment very seriously, and we intend to play a part going forward. Having just one player with exclusivity in a segment that is genuinely quite significant — and that has held up well through the pandemic — strikes us as unhealthy. We want to make our contribution to that market segment.

Douglas Harned

analyst
#80

Alright, thanks a lot.

Operator

operator
#81

Thanks, sir. Our next question comes from Mr. Carter Copeland at Melius Research. Sir, the floor is yours.

Carter Copeland

analyst
#82

Good morning, gentlemen. I have a couple of questions for you. The first concerns Airbus Commercial and the profitability there, plus the profitability that's implied on a program-by-program basis. Is there anything worth flagging that was especially unusual regarding the customer mix this quarter — something that won't recur going forward and that we ought to keep in mind? Second, Guillaume, on the discussion about the tipping point: specifically, when you look at the wide-body markets and what you're monitoring there in terms of incremental risk, could you shed some light on what that tipping point actually is and what the decision markers are? Any detail would be helpful. Thank you.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#83

Dominik, could you cover the customer mix?

Dominik Asam

executive
#84

Yes. I believe what you're likely getting at is the question, considering the Q1 we had, compared with the guidance. Was something kind of lifting profitability in Q1? Was it mix or other factors? I'd say the customer mix isn't the predominant factor. Naturally, at times we have a stronger mix and aircraft with better margin. I'd say that's not the biggest driver. The three big drivers we see on the phasing side are, first and foremost, the currency issue — we had a 116 effective hedge rate in Q1 versus a remain to do, which will be, from today's perspective, at 122. You've seen the phasing of the R&D investment, where we said we're going to spend roughly the same amount as last year for the full year. We have under proportionately spent on that in Q1. The last one is you shouldn't forget that the ramp activity and the resources required for that are very much loaded towards the second half of the year. That is the predominant driver of the phasing we're going to see, and not so much the customer mix.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#85

I'll go with the second answer, and thanks for bringing that up. It gives me a chance to add a bit more detail around this idea of tipping points. Like I mentioned, my hope and my belief is that we'll reach that tipping point for regional traffic during this year. When it comes to our single aisle family, I'd be pleased to move forward if, later in the year, we're able to tell you where we believe we've hit the tipping point. For the wide bodies, I don't expect that tipping point this year. Wide bodies depend on the international market recovering, and what we see there is not significant, at least not before summer next year. Given how complex the situation is and the large differences in the pandemic situation or in how it's being handled across the world — with some regions still seeing a lot of virus circulation, others with no circulation of the virus, some places where vaccination is progressing at an impressive pace, and others where that isn't the case — I believe it will take more time before we see the international market return to order. Tipping point this year? Yes, probably likely for single aisle. For wide bodies, in my view, not before 2022.

Carter Copeland

analyst
#86

Thanks a lot. I appreciate the additional detail.

Operator

operator
#87

Much appreciated, sir. We have one final question, and it comes from Mr. Andrew Humphrey of Morgan Stanley. Sir, the floor is yours.

Andrew Humphrey

analyst
#88

Yes. Thanks for the question, and congratulations on a really strong beginning to the year. I have a couple of quick follow-ups on things raised earlier. In your prepared remarks, you flagged the customer financing picture in a couple of spots — first by saying customers will need to repair their balance sheets, and second by saying you're more open to customer financing, or that you'd expect it to rise. Is that picture worse than it was at the time you gave full year guidance? And does that imply, by extension, that the delivery number is more challenging? My second question is also about aerostructures and the supply chain. I think the case for integrating a lot of your aerostructures businesses over the longer term is very clear when it comes to future architectures. Obviously, right now we have a situation where certain parts of the aerostructure supply chain in Europe are in some distress or face a lot of challenges. Do you expect any problems to emerge there? I suppose my question is, what do Airbus's strategic decisions mean for the rest of the European aerostructures supply chain?

Guillaume Faury

executive
#89

Dominik Asam, I'd suggest you handle the customer-side question as well as the financing one.

Céline Fornaro

analyst
#90

Sure. I’d say no, it hasn’t deteriorated. If anything, it’s very, very slightly better. There was one or another financing coming up where we believed we might have to contribute, and we managed to get funding from outside. Again, I think it’s uncertain and too early, so I wouldn’t yet describe it as a trend, but I’m certainly not seeing any downward trend.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#91

Regarding your second question about aerostructure companies facing difficulties in Europe — the answer is both yes and no. I don't perceive a situation — and this ties back to the earlier question — that would be worse or present more of a challenge than what we see in other parts of our supply chain. At this moment, I don't see any need for a structural or sectoral decision when it comes to aerostructure assemblies or aerostructures in Europe. That doesn't mean we won't have to make decisions and take actions on a case-by-case basis. It's likely that will happen. I don't share the perception you're suggesting — that we currently have a particular problem with aerostructures in Europe.

Thorsten Fischer

executive
#92

Thanks, Guillaume. That brings our conference call to a close for now. Should anything else come to mind, just send an email to Philippe Gastar or to me, and we'll respond as quickly as we can. Thank you, and I hope to talk with you again before long.

Guillaume Faury

executive
#93

Much appreciated. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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