Airbus SE (AIR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 29, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood day, everyone, and thanks for holding. This is the Airbus H1 2021 results release conference call, and you're welcome to it. Clotilde here, serving as operator for the call. I'd like to point out that throughout the presentation, everyone attending will be in listen-only mode, and this conference is being recorded. Once the presentation wraps up, there will be a chance for you to ask questions. Right now, I'd like to hand the conference over to your hosts, Guillaume Faury, Dominik Asam, and Thorsten Fischer. Please go ahead.
Thorsten Fischer
executiveThanks, Clotilde. Good morning, everyone. This is the conference call on Airbus H1 2021 results. Guillaume Faury, our CEO, and Dominik Asam, our CFO, will present those results and take your questions. We expect the call to run about one hour and 15 minutes. That figure covers Q&A, which we'll hold once the initial presentation is done. A webcast of this call is also available. You can reach it through our homepage, where a special banner has been set up. A playback of this call will be accessible on the website. No dedicated phone replay service exists. The supporting information package went out to you by email earlier this morning. It contains the slides, which we'll now walk you through, along with the financial statements. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements. The package you received includes the safe harbor statement, and it applies to this call too. Please read it carefully. Guillaume, over to you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Thorsten. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the call, and thanks for being with us today. Dominik and I will walk you through the H1 results. The strong delivery start we saw in Q1 carried over into the second quarter. In Q2 we handed over 172 commercial aircraft to customers, bringing our year-to-date delivery total to 297 aircraft. H1 financial performance clearly mirrors that high delivery count, yet it also shows we adapted the cost structure through the crisis and kept a sharp focus during H1 on containing costs and staying competitive. H1 EBIT adjusted came in at EUR 2.7 billion, versus minus EUR 0.1 billion a year earlier. Free cash flow before M&A customer financing for H1 2021 reached EUR 2.1 billion, including a strong positive working capital phasing effect. The many actions our teams took produced a strong H1. Based on everything we know today, at Airbus we have largely put the adaptation process behind us. As we enter the second half of 2021, we turn more of our attention toward securing the A320 ramp-up steps as planned. We will work closely with our suppliers.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe will keep collaborating closely with our suppliers, who are essential to boosting output of the world's best-selling civil aircraft. We're also continuing to reshape our commercial aircraft industrial operations by relocating fuselage assembly back to the core of the company. Project teams in France and Germany are advancing, and talks with our social partners are ongoing. Thanks to our strong H1 performance, we can raise our 2021 guidance for the full year, even though the environment remains quite unpredictable and challenging. The COVID-19 crisis is indeed still with us. We will keep focusing on managing customer deliveries. We must watch the risks stemming from new variants of the virus, especially the Delta variant. We'll address the guidance update in more detail later. Let's begin by examining our commercial environment. I want to start with a few remarks on recent developments in the WTO dispute. We welcome news of a cooperative framework between the EU and the U.S. on the WTO disputes concerning large civil aircraft, which led to tariffs being suspended for a period of five years. This will lay a foundation for a level playing field, something we have advocated since these disputes began.
Guillaume Faury
executiveLet me walk you through our commercial environment in greater depth. Based on conversations with customers and the latest macroeconomic figures, we see that recovery in the commercial aircraft market is picking up speed across key domestic markets, and that supports the underlying demand for air travel — the pent-up demand. In ASK terms, domestic China is still near pre-crisis levels. Domestic North America gained from an early and rapid vaccination rollout and is converging back toward pre-crisis air travel demand. Recent industry forecasts anticipate the U.S. domestic market will fully recover by the end of this year or in early 2022. Air travel within Europe, which had been trailing in Q1, is now showing encouraging signs of a rebound as well. As for international air traffic, we still believe recovery there will take more time. Globally, the potential impact of new variants remains a concern, and vaccination progress is a key element for sustainable resilience against the pandemic. Let me remind you of our orders and backlog in H1. We booked 165 gross orders, 158 of them single-aisle. That includes a new order in June for 70 A321neos. We saw 127 cancellations, 27 of them in Q2.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThe cancellations we saw in H1 had mostly been expected and were already factored into the backlog valuation we made at the end of 2020. So net orders came in positive, at 38 aircraft, and our backlog in units stood at 6,925 aircraft. Our ambition is to keep adapting and evolving the product portfolio to match what customers need. We did exactly that, for instance, when we launched the A321XLR back in 2019. I'm sure you remember. In that same spirit, after receiving positive feedback from customers, we secured approval from the board of directors for a freighter derivative of our well-established A350 platform. Building on the proven efficiency of the A350, the freighter version is planned to deliver lower fuel burn than freighter models of that size currently in service. For example, around 20% less fuel burn compared to twins, 30% less compared to tri-jets, and 40% less compared to quads, four-engine planes. It will also meet the ICAO CO2 emission standards, and it will mark another step on our way to lead the decarbonization of the aviation industry. We are convinced that the A350 freighter will provide a strong answer to our customers' needs and expectations and will introduce a healthy competition to this well-established segment.
Guillaume Faury
executiveService entry is slated for 2025. Turning to helicopters: during H1 we logged 123 net orders, compared with 75 in the same half a year earlier. In Q2, we captured the order for France announced earlier — eight H225M helicopters plus a second prototype of the unmanned aerial system known as the VSR700 — both falling under the French aeronautical industry stimulus plan. Through 2021, commercial campaigns keep showing solid momentum across our home countries, especially in public services. And in defense and space, order intake for H1 reached EUR 3.5 billion. Bookings during the second quarter totaled EUR 1.5 billion. That figure includes, within space systems, the authorization to proceed that ESA, the European Space Agency, granted to Airbus on the Earth Return Orbiter project. Together with ESA, we likewise signed a contract covering three more European Service Modules — a mission-critical element of NASA's Orion spacecraft, which serves the U.S. Artemis return-to-Moon program. ESA has additionally awarded Airbus the contract for designing and manufacturing six Galileo second-generation spacecraft. That significant order is partly reflected in second-quarter order intake.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWhen it comes to unmanned aerial systems, we signed a renewed contract for services covering the Heron 1 UAS system. Regarding FCAS, we keep moving forward, and we're pleased that the Bundestag has validated Germany's portion of the FCAS phase 1B demonstrator. That marks a crucial milestone for this strategic European program, which will also further reinforce Europe's technological sovereignty. We take pride in the ongoing confidence that France, Germany, and Spain place in us within the framework of the Future Combat Air System program. On Eurodrone, progress continues to be made. With that, Dominik, I'll now turn things over to you. Dominik will walk you through our financials. Dominik?
Dominik Asam
executiveThanks, Guillaume, and good morning, everyone. In the first half of 2021, revenues rose to EUR 24.6 billion, a 30% increase compared with a year earlier, largely because we delivered more commercial aircraft in 2021. EBIT adjusted climbed to EUR 2.7 billion in H1 2021, compared with minus EUR 0.9 in the first half of 2020, and as you remember, that period included EUR 0.9 billion in charges from impairment and write-offs brought about by COVID-19. This sharp improvement in EBIT adjusted versus a year ago stems primarily from how many aircraft we delivered. It also shows that our cost structure was adapted through the crisis and that during H1 we kept a strong emphasis on containing costs and on competitiveness. Research and development expenses came down 10% compared with a year earlier. For the full year 2021, we still anticipate R&D expenses at a level similar to 2020, including a moderate amount of R&D spending on the freighter version of the A350. Adjusted earnings per share for H1 came to EUR 2.37, calculated on an average of 785 million shares. Free cash flow before M&A and customer financing in H1 was positive EUR 2.1 billion. That mirrors our ongoing work to contain cash, on top of a strong positive phasing effect from working capital.
Dominik Asam
executiveOverall, during H1 we enjoyed a highly supportive mix of factors. First, commercial aircraft deliveries came in at a healthy level. Second, we concentrated on competitiveness, all while continuing to hold costs down as if in crisis mode. Third, we gained from an exchange rate that was very much in our favor. Looking ahead, we may also begin hiring selectively for key employees whose skills are needed to underpin the ramp-up of our single-aisle program, new technologies, digitalization, and decarbonizing our products. Moving now to the slide on profitability. H1 2021 EBIT as reported likewise stood at EUR 2.7 billion. Net EBIT adjustments were roughly neutral and comprised EUR 145 million tied to A380, of which plus EUR 174 was booked in Q2. We reversed the provision for impairment of the former A380 Lagardère facility that had been recognized in earlier years, since the building is now in use for the modernized A320 FAL in Toulouse. Minus EUR 170 million came from foreign exchange and balance sheet revaluation, of which only plus EUR 7 million fell in Q2. EUR 49 million positive arose from other adjustments, compliance costs among them, of which EUR 75 million positive landed in Q2, chiefly from a provision release linked to the group-wide restructuring plan.
Dominik Asam
executiveThe earnings per share figure we reported incorporates negative EUR 30 million in financial results. That largely mirrors a net interest result of negative EUR 172 million, along with positive EUR 79 million tied to Dassault Aviation. On the core business, the tax rate stands at roughly 27%. The effective tax rate applied to net income comes to 18%, which takes in the impact of tax risk updates and the tax effect from revaluing certain equity investments, partly offset by impairments on deferred tax assets. Net income works out to EUR 2.2 billion, and reported earnings per share is EUR 2.84. Turning to hedging activities: during H1 2021, $10.2 billion in hedges matured, with associated EBIT impacts at a rate of 1.18. That hedge rate is the same as in the equivalent period a year earlier. Across the whole of 2021, we anticipate an average hedge rate of 1.21, versus 1.19 in 2020. Over the remaining six months, we expect a negative EBIT impact stemming from a less favorable hedge rate to show up in H2, both year-on-year and when set against H1 2021. In the year's first half, we put in place EUR 10.7 billion of forwards at a rate of 1.22. During H1, we also further refined how our hedges are phased by executing EUR 4.9 billion of rollovers.
Dominik Asam
executiveSo because of that — and this includes EUR 1.2 billion of hedges that were disqualified in Q1 2021 — our total hedging portfolio in US dollars sits at $80.2 billion, with an average hedge rate of 1.26, compared with $81 billion, also at 1.26, in December 2020. Moving forward, we'll keep adjusting that portfolio so it matches our delivery profile. Now let's turn to how our cash evolved in H1 2021. Gross cash flow from operations came in at EUR 2.1 billion, which mainly reflects our EBIT adjusted and includes a EUR 0.5 billion consumption of provisions tied to the restructuring plan. Working capital went down by EUR 0.7 billion. That figure includes a positive impact from the inventory reduction in the A350 and A380 programs. It also includes a significant positive phasing impact from the timing of receipts and payments, though to a lesser extent than in Q1. Year to date, the A400M kept weighing on our free cash flow before M&A, but less so than in H1 2020. H1 CapEx was roughly €4.8 billion negative, down 14% versus H1 2020. For 2021, we now expect CapEx of around EUR 2 billion. Free cash flow reported was EUR 2 billion. M&A activities accounted for only minus EUR 8 million, and our customer financing represented an outflow of only minus EUR 31 million, staying at a very, very low level in H1.
Dominik Asam
executiveThe financing backdrop for aircraft is still healthy, and there's ample liquidity in the financial markets for our products. We also had the backing of the Export Credit Agency. Turning to free cash flow for fiscal year 2021, and especially our working capital, we anticipate the H1 phasing effect will keep diminishing as we move forward, and we expect to see impacts from the ramp on our single-aisle. By the end of June, our net cash position had risen to EUR 6.5 billion, and liquidity remains robust at EUR 33.7 billion. During H1, we redeemed a EUR 1.1 billion exchangeable bond into Dassault Aviation shares and prepaid a $1 billion bond, which was aimed at lowering gross debt and further enhancing our leverage ratios, with the goal of underpinning our solid credit rating while keeping liquidity strong. Over to Guillaume.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Dominik. Moving now to commercial aircraft. As previously mentioned, during H1 2021 we handed over 297 aircraft to 67 customers. Looking at the H1 2021 picture by aircraft family, on the A220 we delivered 21 aircraft. Our production rate, which has been at five per month since the end of Q1 this year, is expected to rise to around rate six per month in early 2022. On the A320 family, we delivered 237 aircraft, of which 110 were A321s. In July, we raised our monthly production rate from 40 to 43 as planned, and we will increase our production rate to 45 aircraft per month in Q4 this year. We also called on suppliers to prepare for the future by securing a firm rate of 64 by Q2 2023. As Dominik already mentioned, the modernization of the A320 family in Toulouse resumed in May. It will increase our flexibility while we are ramping up. On the A321XLR, we recently started the first structural assembly in Hamburg with the rear and center fuselage, followed in early July by the structural assembly and the system equipment of the nose and front fuselage in Saint-Nazaire, which means we're moving forward on time. On wide-bodies, we delivered 39 aircraft, of which 30 A350s, seven A330s, and two A380s.
Guillaume Faury
executiveRegarding the A380, there are still three aircraft left to be handed over. Last week, the first A350 came out of our wide-body completion and delivery center in Tianjin, China — another step forward in broadening our global footprint and deepening the long-term strategic partnership we have with China. A330 output continues at an average monthly rate of two per month, while for the A350 we anticipate raising the production rate from five per month to six per month by fall 2022. Now let's turn to Airbus Commercial's financials for the first quarter. Revenues rose 42% year-on-year, mainly reflecting the higher deliveries as compared to 2020. That was obviously strongly impacted by COVID-19. The rise in EBIT adjusted is primarily driven by the delivery performance, but it also shows that we adapted our cost structure during the crisis and that we maintained in H1 our strong effort on cost containment and competitiveness. Let me remind you that our H1 2020 included an EUR 0.9 billion charge due to impairments and write-offs triggered by COVID-19. Looking at helicopters. In H1 2021, we delivered 115 helicopter in total, 11 aircraft more or even helicopter more than in H1 last year. Revenues increased by 11% year-on-year to EUR 2.6 billion, reflecting a growth in services as well as a higher volume in civil helicopters.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAdjusted EBIT rose over 20% compared with H1 2020, reaching EUR 183 million, thanks to services, program execution, and reduced R&D spending stemming from the completion in 2020 of certification work on the H160 and the new five-bladed H145 versions. Moving on to defense and space. Revenue is roughly flat against H1 2020. The rise in adjusted EBIT largely mirrors continuing cost containment and competitiveness initiatives, plus higher volume in space systems. On the A400M military transport aircraft, two units were handed over during the first half of 2021. Development work has carried on toward the revised capability roadmap. Retrofit work is advancing nicely, in tight coordination with the customer. Risks persist around technical capability development and related costs concerning aircraft operational reliability — power plants especially — around cost reductions, and around locking in export orders on schedule under the revised baseline. Turning to guidance. As a reminder, we released our 2021 guidance in February of this year. The environment remains fairly unpredictable. Our solid H1 results let us lift the 2021 guidance. I'll now read the updated 2021 guidance to you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveFor its 2021 guidance, the company’s underlying assumption is that there will be no additional disruptions affecting the global economy, air traffic, its own internal operations, or its capacity to deliver products and services. This 2021 guidance is stated before M&A. Against that backdrop, the company has revised its 2021 guidance and now aims to reach, in 2021, approximately 600 commercial aircraft deliveries, EBIT adjusted of roughly EUR 4 billion, and free cash flow before M&A and customer financing of about EUR 2 billion. As always, I’d like to close by recapping our main priorities. We keep managing our deliveries and backlog in line with what has been agreed with our customers. That naturally includes our defense contracts. We take pride in the fact that our defense and space capabilities help support peace and security for our home nations, for our EU and NATO partners, and for UN peacekeeping missions. This defense work provides essential contributions toward a more stable and sustainable world. In our commercial aircraft business, during H2 we will direct more of our focus toward securing the A320 ramp-up as planned, and we will collaborate closely with our suppliers. We will keep working closely with our suppliers, who will be central to the single aisle production ramp-up that is now so important for us and for the market.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAs far as the ramp-up goes, we anticipate gains stemming from the fact that we kept our capabilities intact all through the crisis and held our supply chain steady during that stretch. We'll keep integrating and modernizing the industrial value chain to give further backing to the ramp-up, to our competitiveness over the long term, and to our product range as it evolves. Our focus stays on innovation and on the ambition we hold to lead decarbonization within our industry. With that in mind, we welcome and back initiatives and policies that promote cutting carbon in aviation, among them ambitious targets for scaling sustainable aviation fuels and green hydrogen. Our key priority will, of course, be delivering on the updated 2021 guidance and sustaining our capacity to invest in long-term ambitions across the portfolio. Lastly, on 1st of July we put changes to our executive committee into effect, and we welcome three new members to the team. I'm convinced these executive team changes will strongly support us in the challenges ahead. I guess we're now ready to take your questions.
Thorsten Fischer
executiveWe're moving into the Q&A portion now. When you ask a question, kindly state your name and your company. Please keep it to 2 questions per turn, and that counts sub-questions. As always, do speak clearly and at a slower pace so that everyone on the call, and especially those of us here, can follow what you're asking. Clotilde, over to you to walk the participants through the procedure.
Operator
operatorThank you. Ladies and gentlemen, should you like to pose a question, you can press zero one on your telephone keypad. That's zero one on your telephone keypad. Our first question comes from Mr. Tristan Sanson of Exane BNP Paribas. Sir, go right ahead.
Tristan Sanson
analystYes, good morning, everyone. This is Tristan from Exane. Thank you for taking my question. The first one is going to be about the EBIT guidance for this year and the new conversion of deliveries into EBIT. Obviously, there are two parts in the increase of the EBIT guidance for this year. One is the increase of the underlying level of deliveries you calculated from at this level to 600. And then the way these deliveries are converted to EBIT. And if I make a simple calculation, I have the impression that you have an underlying increase of several deliveries of about EUR 1.5 billion to the EBIT guidance. Can you explain a bit where it's coming from, how you identified your progress and cost saving compared to plan, and how you quantified it for us to get a bit better feel of how this guidance is being built? The second question will be on the margin ambition beyond 2021. I don't know what you want to communicate at this stage. In the early stage of the crisis, you mentioned that your ambition for commercial aircraft was to bring back, over time, profitability to pre-crisis level at around 10%. When we reach pre-crisis level of deliveries, you reach almost 17% in Q2.
Tristan Sanson
analystWhat's the right way for us to think about that trajectory as we look ahead? Thank you very much.
Guillaume Faury
executiveOh, yes, Dominik — that one's too difficult for me, so I'll hand it over to you. Thanks, Tristan, for the question.
Dominik Asam
executiveTristan, yes, you're correct. When you adjust for the flexing tied to volumes, the underlying performance is really strong, and I'd describe it as a somewhat picture-perfect quarter in which every factor aligned. As I noted in my opening comments, we've essentially still been operating the business in crisis mode. We kept cash to a minimum, and we achieved quite solid progress on the restructuring, as you'd put it. You've seen the headcount figures drop considerably. Forex was quite favorable. Looking at our disclosure, you'll notice that across the full year we see a rate substantially above the 118 recorded in the first half. A fairly large Forex swing still remains to be worked through. That said, we are currently ramping, and we've now had multiple consecutive quarters in which things have gone very smoothly, with no major continued-support efforts, none of the costs we typically incur, and no liquidated damages. We must expect that as we speed the system up, the cost base will rise. On top of that, there are quite intentional choices, such as those regarding research and development expenses, where we'll need to snap back somewhat. Some items were deferred to the right.
Dominik Asam
executivePart of that involves phasing that has to be made up during the second half and afterward. That’s the reason extrapolating straight from H1 isn’t really advisable.
Tristan Sanson
analystJust so I’m clear, since you brought up positive Forex — but it’s fair to say the ending came in roughly as planned overall, and R&D is only a small variance, with a somewhat stronger tailwind than expected, though it isn’t a major driver — the total EUR 1.5 billion increase in full-year guidance doesn’t come from FX and R&D. Where exactly is it coming from?
Dominik Asam
executiveIt also stems from a really robust gross margin, thanks to the manufacturing process running very smoothly. Honestly, yes—our forecast ended up being conservative and prudent on that front. If you look at where it originates, it's genuinely across the board. We've been through a very sharp decrease in rates. We've readjusted, and naturally, recalibrating where you stand isn't easy. Then the following discussion is phasing versus truly sustainable events. I have to say, we've postponed a fair number of projects that we need to revive, and that will result in higher costs in the second half and beyond. Again, that's why I'd view this as a kind of picture perfect quarter, but not a solid base from which to extrapolate.
Tristan Sanson
analystDoes that make sense? And what about the margin goal past 2021?
Dominik Asam
executiveOn the longer-term outlook, I wouldn’t revise that statement at all. We have consistently said our aspiration is to return to the 2019 margin performance as we ramp back up to the 2019 rates, which, as you remember, were 863, and we still believe that remains a very solid target to aim for.
Tristan Sanson
analystAlright, thanks.
Operator
operatorAppreciate that. Our following question comes from Mr. Benjamin Heelan at Bank of America. Go right ahead, sir.
Benjamin Heelan
analystMorning, everyone. Good to hear you're all doing well. I'd like to return to Tristan's question, since the guidance you provided seems to imply a huge drop in EBIT for the second half of the year, correct? It doesn't seem like it's only costs returning. When I quickly crunched the numbers, it appeared EBIT would fall by more than 50% in commercial, in the second half of 2021 compared with the second half of 2020. So, is there anything else specific we're overlooking there? That's my first question. Then regarding the A350 freighter, you obviously announced it today. Could we get some sense of the development cost, meaning the non-recurring costs, and how we should think about your expectations for production rates on that program? Thank you.
Dominik Asam
executiveYeah. On the elements, let me just go over them again. When you consider the move and what's still left to do against the EUR 118 in H1, that comes to roughly half a billion or so. For the negative variance, you can apply the same logic. Take the first half, multiply it by two, then look at the puts and takes — the big first block is ForEx, as mentioned. The second one is really the deferral discussions around cost, where the phasing got pushed to the right; the fact that the cost hasn't been incurred in H1 doesn't mean it isn't coming, and it might even come in stronger. Adding all these elements together, plus the ambiguity we still see in the market and the challenges with the ramp and the cost that might be tied to really securing it, is what led us to the guidance you have. Whether we get lucky again with a picture perfect environment in the second half, we'll have to see, but I think it's also important not to get carried away given the environment we're currently facing.
Guillaume Faury
executiveMorning, Ben. Good to talk with you. Regarding the A350 freighter — no, we don't plan to disclose the non-recurring costs associated with that program. It's derived from an existing program, or really from two existing products, primarily. We're drawing on the building blocks from what we've already done on the A350 to 1000, mainly but not exclusively, along with the lessons, tools, and ways of working we've recently developed through the BelugaXL — the aircraft we built for ourselves to transport wings across Europe. As for production rates, the nice thing about this program is that it will sit within the A350 production system. There's no need for us to plan separate rates for the freighter. Given its commonality with the -900 and -1000, we're placing it inside the Final Assembly Lines, and the rates will hinge on how commercially successful the program turns out to be at a later stage.
Benjamin Heelan
analystAlright, great.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAnswering that question in a really precise way would be premature at this point.
Benjamin Heelan
analystAlright, thanks. That's fine.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Ben.
Operator
operatorMuch appreciated. Thanks, sir. We now have a question from Celine Fornaro at UBS. Ma'am, the floor is yours.
Céline Fornaro
analystGood morning, gentlemen, and thanks for taking my question. My first one concerns the outlook — though probably more the delivery side to begin with — and then free cash flow, if I may. When it comes to deliveries, and perhaps this explains part of the caution around EBIT, is there a specific region that worries you regarding your H2 delivery expectations? Is H2 a bit more Asia-PAC focused than H1 was? Even the 600 guidance, which implies you'll deliver the same amount in H2 as in H1, where hopefully we'd also expect an inventory drawdown on the build planes — I see a degree of conservatism in there. It's early days, and free cash is always very volatile at your end, but low cash generation in the second half — could you please provide a little bit of color on how we should think about that? Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveHi Celine, it's good to talk with you too. It's been a while. Yes, you're raising a key issue — namely how things balance out between H1 and H2. In my view, H1 has come in as a very strong first half of the year relative to earlier years. For us, that's somewhat unusual. 300 planes, or 297, really sat at the upper limit of what we could have hoped for. I think Dominik was right to note that this was also made possible by the 15 months of stability we've had on the production system. That's something of a positive to come out of the COVID-19 situation. Now we're ramping up, but because H1 was so strong, we also face plenty of uncertainties in H2. That's roughly the backdrop, and we're being prudent, since the 300 of H1 are completed, while around 300 in H2 remain to be proven in a fairly challenging environment. To give you more detail on free cash flow, I'll pass things over to Dominik.
Dominik Asam
executiveWhen it comes to free cash flow, I think it's genuinely worth taking a closer look at how the balance sheet moved in H1. Two main line items deserve your attention. First, trade liabilities — you can see a substantial lift there, driven by a reduction — sorry, an increase in trade liabilities, and naturally that's a cash inflow for us. That was one of the favorable items. The other significant drag sits in how contract assets and liabilities developed, which essentially reflects the net of PDP inflows against PDP usage from deliveries. What you can observe is that we actually saw a fair amount of cash go out on that front. This is the effect we flagged earlier: since last year, we renegotiated essentially all of the backlog. Pretty much the entire backlog — we moved aircraft to the right while firmly holding the line on keeping the PDPs. Customers are somewhat ahead of the schedules, which leaves us with several quarters in which PDP payments run lower. I should stress that customers are very much in compliance with PDP payments at this moment. There are essentially three big items here. Operational performance, very strong; the headwind created by COVID-19; and the PDPs, because we deferred aircraft to the right without deferring the PDPs to the right.
Dominik Asam
executiveAnd finally, on trade liabilities — those won't come back. The headwind from the PDP adjustment, so to speak, stemming from the COVID-19 deferral, is going to persist through the second half. That's the reason we expect free cash flow to be fairly moderate in the second half, based on what we see today. Then, naturally, there's the matter of deliveries — deliveries could shift that quite significantly. And last but not least, the ramp. Some working capital will also be absorbed by the ramp, which is why I think we've been prudent on free cash flow for the second half.
Céline Fornaro
analystThanks, Dominik and Guillaume. I think all of us are still puzzled — given how well you handled the descent, it seems odd that you won't handle the ascent just as well. That's my own take.
Dominik Asam
executiveI appreciate that.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks.
Operator
operatorThanks, madam. Our next question comes from Mr. Robert Stallard at Vertical Research. Please go ahead.
Robert Stallard
analystThank you very much, and good morning, everyone.
Dominik Asam
executiveMorning — how’s it going?
Robert Stallard
analystGood, thanks. I have a few questions for you. First, Guillaume, you clearly announced several weeks ago your plans regarding the A320 ramp-up, along with your long-term goal of 75 per month. Certain suppliers have voiced doubts about whether that target is realistic given the demand that might exist out there. I was hoping you could explain your thinking on that. Also, on the narrow bodies, regarding the A321, is it possible to reach a point where more than 60% of A320 family production is the A321? Will you have sufficient capacity to achieve that figure? Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveYes. Thank you, Robert. Our A320 backlog stands at nearly 6,000 aircraft. Producing at rate 40 would take 15 years to clear it. Should we raise output to rate 60, that becomes 10 years, or even beyond 10 years. Obviously, you can picture that customers holding an A320 or an A321 in today's backlog don't want to sit waiting 12 or 15 years. In fact, running the numbers makes it clear we must move considerably beyond rate 60 in order to serve that backlog. I am prepared to work through those numbers alongside the suppliers and partners who keep questioning whether going above rate 60 is necessary. To us, it is a fact reflected in our backlog, and Dominik noted that customers right now are current on PDPs, which tells us they genuinely want their planes delivered on schedule. The reason we have been so transparent and clear with our supply chain and our partners about our rate is that we truly want them to be ready, and I am genuinely disappointed that certain usual partners continue to challenge the rates. A year ago, they were challenging rate 40.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe've been able to hold at that rate of 40, and we're really focused on controlling what we now refer to as the re-ramp-up on the A320, which already got underway in July of this year. A question about the A321. Yes, we want to get to the point where more than 50% of deliveries are A321s. I mean the A320 family. Whether the 60% figure you brought up is the correct one, I'm not sure, but we'll be well past 50, or at least able to do considerably more than 50%. That's another reason we're swapping out an A320 FAL in Toulouse for a modern, flexible line capable of building both the A320 and the A321, and it will keep boosting the capacity and the flexibility of the A320 family production system so we can be flexible on the A321, and that becomes especially important from 2023 onward, when the XLR joins the family. As you know, the XLR is an A321. Yes, the 60% figure is probably not far off. I haven't run the numbers on if and when we get to 60%, but we know demand for the 321 going forward is very strong, and we intend to serve that demand.
Dominik Asam
executiveAt this moment, backlog stands at 63.
Guillaume Faury
executiveBacklog is 63. Thanks, Dominik.
Robert Stallard
analystThat is quite useful. Many thanks.
Operator
operatorAppreciate it, sir. Our following question comes from Jeremy Bragg of Redburn. The floor is yours.
Jeremy Bragg
analystMorning, guys. For the first question, please, it would be about PDPs and Boeing yesterday discussing a material headwind in PDPs during the second half of the year and heading into 2022. Second question, please, and sorry to revisit it, the near-term free cash flow outlook raised by EUR 2 billion, EBIT guidance raised by EUR 2 billion. Fine, you're clearly expecting more aircraft out of inventory to be delivered, and the CapEx guidance is lower as far as I can see. Again, just sort of struggling if I look at it that way as well. Thank you.
Dominik Asam
executiveRegarding the PDPs, I can only restate my earlier point. I’d rather not discuss what difficulties Boeing is facing. A headwind on PDPs is indeed ahead for multiple quarters, since the deferrals have now been carried out. We believed it was important to make sure those deferrals are supported by PDPs. We have held back from returning PDPs to customers because we judged that to be the prudent course. On second-half free cash flow guidance, once again it comes down to the puts and takes I referenced. A very strong tailwind came from trade liabilities, and that will not happen again in the second half. Then there is cash absorption tied to the ramp, which I believe was somewhat absent from your remarks. Some efforts will be made, not just in CapEx but also to some degree in inventory. We won’t necessarily get support from that area, because we genuinely want to be ready for the ramp and ensure we can deliver a steep increase. You’ve heard the rate. I don’t want to restate the rate profile we have guided. It reflects a very steep ramp, and that has to be provided for.
Jeremy Bragg
analystAlright, that's great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
operatorMuch appreciated, sir. Our following question comes from Mr. Douglas Harned at Bernstein. Sir, the floor is yours.
Douglas Harned
analystThanks. Morning, everyone.
Dominik Asam
executiveGood morning, everyone.
Douglas Harned
analystStarting with my first question, I'd like to revisit those longer-term rate targets you mentioned—reaching 64 a month in Q2 2023 and 75 a month by 2025. Many suppliers have voiced the same doubts that we've been hearing. That point is still quite some distance away, and what interests me is what commitments suppliers have actually put in place regarding this, for instance interim rate increases ahead of that 2023 timeframe? My second question: Airbus and Boeing have historically divided the Chinese market between them. Given the tensions that exist right now in U.S.-China relations, does that open up additional opportunities for Airbus in that country? At this stage, do you think you could capture a bigger share of the Chinese market?
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks for those questions. On the rates, we’ve committed firm rates through 2023 to the supply chain. Our expectation is that the supply chain will keep pace with our orders, and that is what we have observed up to now. That is the key point. Now, regarding anything beyond rate 64, that involves more of an evaluation of supply chain capacity and looking into how quickly it could be done and what would be needed to reach a rate as high as 75. That is more uncharted territory. At 64, we were moving toward 64. We had nearly reached 64 right before the pandemic struck. The production system is ready for that, and we expect the supply chain to be able to ramp up at a much faster pace for the re-ramp up than was true for the initial ramp up of the family. The path from now to rate 64 in Q2 2023 is fairly linear, more or less linear. I don’t have every detail in mind, but it appears to be something fairly progressive, so the supply chain gets a chance to adapt. It proceeds in steps, which is necessary in order to have some stability in the quarter, as we prefer to do it.
Guillaume Faury
executiveGrowth has been pretty much a straight line, and that’s essentially the outlook we have in front of us. We’re getting ready, taking the right steps to bring skills back, to onboard people, and to verify in good time that the physical production system is ready, so the ramp-up can take place just as it did right before the pandemic.
Douglas Harned
analystRegarding China?
Guillaume Faury
executiveYeah, sorry — China. Well, honestly, I can’t really speak to how things stand for the other guys. For Airbus, we’re seeing a solid number of deliveries. Roughly 20% of the aircraft we hand over still go to Chinese airlines. And it’s been quite a while now since Airbus has seen a large order. What we’re observing is that the COVID-19 situation is causing some delay and a bit of a wait-and-see approach in that part of the world. We’d expect activity to begin picking up again and to make progress going forward. I think COVID-19 is part of why there’s a bit of that wait-and-see attitude more broadly. At least, that’s how I see it on the Airbus side, and I can’t speak for our competitor. I don’t know.
Douglas Harned
analystAlright, thanks.
Operator
operatorThank you, sir. Our next question comes from Mr. Andrew Gollan at Berenberg. Sir, the floor is yours.
Andrew Gollan
analystHello. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two. The first concerns wide-body profitability. Could you provide an update on that—specifically, where you stand at current rates in terms of gross margin, and how you expect that to develop over the next couple of years, particularly given the modest increase in the A350? Second, regarding the aerostructures reorganization, could you give us another update there as well, and outline the proposed changes, where progress stands on that, the expected timing, and what benefits Airbus anticipates deriving from it in terms of operational improvement?
Guillaume Faury
executiveDominik, would you like to kick things off?
Dominik Asam
executiveRegarding the profitability of our wide-body programs, I’d say there’s no change from what we’ve communicated before: even at these low rate levels, we want to bring them back to a break-even level. That’s not a contribution margin—it’s really an EBIT break-even level. Of course, with the advent of the freighter on the A350 program, there’s a little bit of headwind created, but it’s not too massive, and we still want to bring that program back to a break-even position in the not-too-distant future. I’m not sure it can happen already next year because of the ramping NRCs on freighter, but still in the middle of the forecast period, so very roughly, I think we can turn the program around to break even and similar timeline on the A330.
Guillaume Faury
executiveRegarding aerostructures, I’m not sure whether I should walk through the rationale once more. Let me attempt to give you a simplified explanation. Today we have two subsidiaries — STELIA on the French side and Premium AEROTEC, which we also refer to as PAG, in Germany — and they are mainly responsible for the front fuselage and half fuselage. They operate as independent organizations, and that has resulted in a fairly simplified approach to running Airbus’s production system. We appreciate having standalone entities that manage a substantial portion of the production system and streamline the interface with Airbus. Now, as we go forward, we intend to push simplification. We intend to push for better efficiency and move somewhat further in that direction. We would remove the transactional relationship we have with those organizations, since they were sort of carved out a decade ago with the notion that the fuselage, the airframe, would become commoditized. That has not really occurred in the meantime. Looking ahead, we see that decarbonization of aviation will bring about very different architectures, in which it will probably no longer be a matter of a fuselage, a simple fuselage, but the airframe will also be the place where the energy management portion of the propulsion system and a great deal of complexity will be directly embedded.
Guillaume Faury
executiveSo we genuinely expect this to be central going forward, and there will be a great deal of complexity involved. That is the reason we are introducing something we refer to as DDMS — a digital design and manufacturing platform that links the product, the production system, and the services end to end. It needs to feed into future airframe design and manufacturing. That is why we regard it as core. That is why we want to move it nearer to Airbus, while handling the production system in this simplified manner. So the model we have built, which in our view aligns very well with what we need, we call the ASA, the Aerostructure Assembly organizations. One will be in France, bringing together certain of our current Airbus plants along with STELIA, and likewise in Germany, where the complexity is greater on the German side, since we still have a fairly substantial detailed part activity in Germany that we consider somewhat subcritical, that we do not see as core going forward, and for which we want to secure a positive future. We are working intensively with the social partners to determine the best path ahead for this portion of the activity of what is today called Premium AEROTEC.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe also do this when production rates are lower. This is a good moment to transform. We want to be ready on time for when our DDMS platform is fully available and running, and for the times when we will have to start designing future products, decarbonized products. It's now or never, and we're doing it now.
Andrew Gollan
analystThanks. Mind if I ask a quick follow-up on that? Could the parts business at Premium AEROTEC be scaled up, or would you say it's too soon to tell?
Guillaume Faury
executiveIn our view, scaling it up matters, and so does merging it with other detailed-part operations so that competitiveness improves. For that reason, we see the choice of divesting it and joining it with another industrials business—one able to serve customers beyond Airbus in aerospace or in other sectors—as a sound path ahead for the detailed part. That is one possibility. We are likewise reviewing further restructuring alternatives, making certain that detailed parts remain a solid business going forward, regardless of whether we retain it or sell it.
Andrew Gollan
analystYeah, apologies for the mix-up, Guillaume. What I was getting at was its size — how big is it when you look at revenues, for instance?
Dominik Asam
executiveYes. If we carve it out, we're looking at a revenue figure of EUR 100 million.
Andrew Gollan
analystWhat was the amount?
Dominik Asam
executiveWe're talking high triple-digit millions.
Andrew Gollan
analystAlright.
Dominik Asam
executiveTwo thousand five hundred, roughly 600 people.
Andrew Gollan
analystThat’s excellent. Thanks so much.
Operator
operatorThanks very much. The next question comes from Chris Hallam at Goldman Sachs. Go right ahead, sir.
Chris Hallam
analystYes, good morning, everyone. I have two questions. First, on pricing: the price mix effect for the A320 was fairly positive in Q2. Should we expect that to continue over the years ahead as you increase production and as the A320 makes up a bigger share of deliveries, as you said? And with the recent narrowbody orders, especially for the 737, are you seeing any shifts in the price levels in competitions? That's my first question. Second, given the improved cash performance, I'd assume your year-end net cash ought to land somewhere around EUR 6 billion-EUR 7 billion. Naturally, you still hold the Dassault stake of roughly EUR 1 billion, which could be monetized. With all of that in mind, how are you thinking about the timing of restarting the dividend and at what level?
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Chris. Those are good questions. Dominik, what's your take on that?
Dominik Asam
executiveLet's begin with cash, shall we? Our net cash performance is indeed coming in pretty well. Earlier we were more cautious since we still worried that additional vendor financing might be needed, yet not only are we doing better on operating performance, but to a large degree basically no vendor financing is required. That opens up some possibilities for us to consider. The next decision, of course, concerns fiscal year 2021, payable in 2022. We can't get ahead of that discussion, but I wouldn't rule out going back to a conservative dividend. We have a dividend policy in place that's essentially 30%-40% of our net income or tax affected EBIT. From that standpoint, I wouldn't say we're being very aggressive there, but the board of directors will have that discussion.
Guillaume Faury
executivePricing?
Dominik Asam
executivePardon me?
Guillaume Faury
executiveRegarding the pricing.
Dominik Asam
executiveOn the pricing side of things. To start with, as you're aware, the A320 ramp isn't based on orders that are newly placed — it comes from the backlog, and the pricing sits in that backlog. So there's no pressure on that front. Naturally, for other programs where fresh orders are needed, the market has plenty of supply. Competition for each and every order is intense. Which means price pressure exists on programs such as the A220 and the wide bodies. That much is obvious. It will take a while for this to work its way through. What matters is that the substantial increase on the A320 is well shielded by the backlog. On that front, we aren't desperate for new orders.
Chris Hallam
analystUnderstood—thank you.
Operator
operatorMuch appreciated, sir. The next question comes from Mr. Aymeric Poulain at Kepler Cheuvreux. Sir, the floor is yours.
Aymeric Poulain
analystThank you for the question — good morning. I have two follow-ups, please. First, regarding operational leverage for the 2023 margin target: considering the margin we have today and the fact that, based on your delivery schedule, you'll be using 40% more of your capacity in two years time, what operating leverage should we assume? You also mentioned the tariff removal — are there any benefits we can factor into the margin expectations as well? My second question concerns your growth rate beyond 2023 and production rates reaching 75 a month for the A320 family in 2025. What assumption do you make about the replacement cycle, and is there any indication that the replacement cycle could accelerate because of the recent EU carbon Taxonomy, which may encourage going for more fuel-efficient planes? And what are your estimates or assumptions for market share relative to Boeing and, in particular, COMAC? Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveDominik, would you like to handle that one?
Dominik Asam
executiveI believe operating leverage ties closely to the margin target we've discussed. When we return to the delivery volumes of 2019, our goal is to be back at the margin levels we saw in 2019. In that regard, it's worth noting that we intend to spend on research and development at a level similar to 2019. That gives you a sense of some of the recovery involved. Yes, we've applied considerable restraint on costs — on initiatives that matter but aren't so urgent that we can't push them to the right, and they will return. I don't want to get into a detailed model right now of how that should be assembled, but I've given you two data points. First, the margin should return to the 2019 EBIT margin level, and second, the absolute euro R&D should be at a similar level, probably. At that point, we snap back to where we were in 2019. That is, of course, a headwind for operating leverage, because we increased research and development expenses.
Guillaume Faury
executiveOn your second question about production rates, I’ll just say again that the path to rate 64 is a plan, and for 75, we’re evaluating the supply chain’s capacity. We’re looking at what it would take, when, and clearly we’d aim for 2025. That’s the question we’ve put to the supply chain, and we’ll assess the outcome and whether it makes sense to go there, and at what pace, a little later. It does relate to your question about the market. As I mentioned earlier on the call, and on the previous call, we’ll update the GMF, the Global Market Forecast, later this year. And many changes are coming from COVID-19, and from the acceleration and strengthening of regulations on carbon emissions. There are many moving parts, and we want to present a picture that is as good as possible a little later in the year. Some tendencies pull in different directions, and we need to weigh them and combine them into something that is as likely as possible to happen. Clearly, we see that new products will be in demand — that’s certain.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAs Dominik mentioned, we can observe that through the PDP. Customers are quite current, since they're eager to receive their new aircraft. In the near term, we expect that production capacity will likely constrain us once again, and we won't be in a position to meet all demand — at least over the short term — for the single aisle.
Aymeric Poulain
analystAll right, thanks.
Operator
operatorAppreciate that. Our following question comes from Deutsche Bank's Christophe Menard. Christophe, the floor is yours.
Christophe Ménard
analystGood morning. There were a couple of things I wanted to ask. First, regarding EBIT adjusted at Airbus Commercial in H1: that was a very strong performance, and I'm curious whether you are feeling or seeing any impact from the industrial efficiencies you have already been putting in place during H1. And if some of those efficiencies are already coming through, would it be fair to think that your margin aspiration by 2023, as you just mentioned, could be higher than 2019 thanks to those efficiencies? That's the first question. The second concerns the convertible bond that you redeemed on Dassault. Is the plan to stay a shareholder of Dassault, or do you have other aspirations going forward?
Dominik Asam
executiveRegarding H1 efficiency, yes, conditions were quite favorable for us. For a number of quarters now, operations have been running very smoothly. In plain terms, I like to liken it to what you experience driving on a highway: you burn far less fuel holding a steady 130 kilometers per hour than when you accelerate from 80 to 130, even though the higher speed means you're covering more ground. We were essentially holding steady at 80, which is an extremely efficient operating point. As soon as we begin ramping back up, some additional effort will be needed, and that carries a cost as well. As for the margin ambition past 2019, I'd rather not get ahead of myself there. When we return to the 2019 delivery rates — because the mix effect is genuinely quite adverse, given that our wide bodies are flying at considerably lower rates than they were in 2019 — they did contribute, in absolute EUR per aircraft, a fairly healthy contribution margin. When you mention breakeven in 2019 on the A350, that refers to fully loaded EBIT, not the contribution margin. The contribution margin is significantly positive. Naturally, we sell far fewer of those. From that angle, we're really replacing that with A320s, and the A320s, as you're aware, don't give us that same profile.
Dominik Asam
executiveWe also need to consider pricing pressure down the road. When a product has a contribution margin in a market with abundant supply, that margin is going to face pressure on the pricing side. And finally, the U.S. dollar. Given all of these factors, I'd be careful about attempting to exceed what we accomplished in 2019 along those lines. Dassault, of course, we want to. The convertible bond had expired. We received the shares back. Right now we don't perceive any pressing need to act. We believe we should hold onto them at this point, and we don't see any activity coming up in that area.
Christophe Ménard
analystThanks a lot.
Dominik Asam
executiveI appreciate that.
Operator
operatorMuch appreciated, sir. Our final question comes from Mr. Harry Breach at Stifel. Sir, the floor is yours.
Harry Breach
analystYes. Morning. Morning, Guillaume. Morning, Dominik. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to ask a couple of things. Maybe when we consider the present pace of sales campaign activity, it looks like gross order bookings have certainly improved over recent months. Guillaume, could you share your sense of how sales activity stands right now, and how that's trending ahead? Then, on a related note, can you give us a sense of the balance in your customers' requests, perhaps to speed up delivery? Are you beginning to see more requests to accelerate versus requests to defer? Then a completely separate question, maybe more for Dominik. Dominik, please, could you help us understand a little more about some of the headcount reduction and furlough benefit dynamics? Are we now fully realizing the benefits from headcount reduction? Were there still furlough benefit payments helping EBIT in the second quarter? Then just on PDPs, I know, Dominik, you said, look, you're still going to face a headwind from effectively the slow normalization of PDP flows. Could you give us any sense at all of when you might be at maybe 50% of normal flows, or back to full normality, just so we can get a sense of how that headwind returns to normal, please?
Guillaume Faury
executiveI'll take the first part. There are actually plenty of conversations underway — not campaigns exactly, but early talks about new orders. My expectation is that toward the end of the year, or at least during the second half, we should start seeing orders come in. Given how dynamic the discussions are right now, I think that's a fair thing to say. On the balance side and accelerating — well, we can't really offer ways to speed deliveries up much, but for large multiyear orders we do have to think about offering some slots in the early years. As you've probably seen from at least one big order we announced previously, we simply aren't in a position to fully handle requests for near-term deliveries. Do we need to accelerate? Yes. How much can we accelerate? Not a great deal. How many chances do we have to book orders in the near term? Not many. Over the medium and long term, certainly yes — and I believe plenty are coming, beginning this year and likely more next year. Some will land this year. In fact, some have already come in this year, by the way.
Dominik Asam
executiveOn the workforce side, you've watched our employee count decline by 10,500 from the March 2020 peak through the end of June this year — that's on an effective basis. A small amount of work still remains there, though we'll be hiring once more as well, so I doubt we go significantly beyond that figure. As for furlough programs, they're steadily being released as we ramp up, yet they aren't entirely released. A number of furlough arrangements remain in effect. Naturally, the complete annual impact of those staff cuts won't be felt until next year, since we're phasing them in during 2020. Another key thing is the rebound we're seeing in variable compensation. This covers not just executive bonuses but also the profit- and success-sharing plans applied quite widely, which hinge on the group's profitability in absolute terms. As profitability comes back, the substantial sums we avoided last year on that line will steadily shrink, and that works as a headwind against all these savings. Regarding the PDPs, if you look through our balance sheet and total up all the contract asset and liability items of that kind, a net balance of EUR -1.4 billion shows up. From a commercial standpoint I can tell you that, owing to the deferral matter I mentioned earlier, slightly more than that is on its way.
Dominik Asam
executiveWe're facing a pretty big headwind in a half year. I'd say that's perhaps a decent benchmark, as a rough order of magnitude, for what we could see across the coming two, three half years. I think by the end of next year we ought to be past that, and then be better positioned to convert cash at the target of 1, which is always Airbus's target. Naturally, you still have the A400M and the A220 topics to get past in that cash conversion ambition. The PDP issue itself will definitely be digested before the end of 2022.
Harry Breach
analystExcellent. Thank you so much, gentlemen.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAlright, I believe we're just about ready to wrap up this call. But before I pass things over to Thorsten, I want to mention that this was his final quarterly call — in that capacity, at least, clearly. Thorsten did such a strong job steering a solid second quarter that we're now looking at having him assist us with managing the ramp-up. Later in this quarter, he'll move into a new position. Since this really was his last time joining us on a quarterly call, I wanted to express my thanks to Thorsten and say that we've been delighted to have him with us for a couple of years — almost 3 years at this point. Wishing him the very best for when you move into your new role, as we're truly counting on you to be as successful at managing, or helping us manage, the single aisle ramp-up as you were at delivering last quarter in your role as Head of Investor Relations. Over to you.
Thorsten Fischer
executiveNo, I appreciate it.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe are elevating our standards.
Thorsten Fischer
executiveIt seems pretty obvious that discussing figures is one matter, while actually producing them is another. Naturally, I'll give it my best effort. Classic last words, right? That brings this conference call to a close for now. Should anything else come up, just email Philippe, Gustav, and me as well, and we'll respond as quickly as we can. Thanks, and I hope to talk with you again — and I think, well, hopefully soon.
Guillaume Faury
executiveIn just a moment.
Thorsten Fischer
executiveThanks, everyone. That’s all from us — goodbye.
Guillaume Faury
executiveNext week. All right, thank you very much, everybody.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, that brings us to the end of today's conference call. Thank you all for joining us. You can go ahead and disconnect at this time.
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