Airbus SE (AIR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 16, 2023
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Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, thanks for joining us. This is the Airbus Full Year 2022 Results Release Conference Call, and you're welcome. Melanie here, handling operations for this call. Just so you know, everyone will stay in listen-only mode throughout the presentation, and we're recording this conference. Once the presentation wraps up, you'll have a chance to pose questions. Right now, I'd like to hand things over to your hosts: Guillaume Faury, Dominik Asam, and Hélène Le Gorgeu.
Hélène Le Gorgeu
executiveThanks, Melanie. Good morning, everyone. You're joining the conference call for Airbus's full year 2022 results. Our CEO, Guillaume Faury, along with our CFO, Dominik Asam, will walk you through the results and take your questions. We expect this call to run approximately 1 hour and 15 minutes, and that figure includes Q&A, which will follow the initial presentation. The call is being webcast as well. You can reach it through our homepage by clicking the dedicated banner. A playback will be available on the website, though we don't offer a dedicated phone replay service. The supporting information package went up on our website earlier today. It contains the slides we'll now take you through, plus the financial statements. During this call, we'll be making forward-looking statements. I'd ask you to refer to the safe harbor statement appearing in the presentation slides, which applies to this call as well. Please read it carefully. Guillaume, over to you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThank you, Hélène, and good morning to all of you. I appreciate your joining us early today for the call on our full year 2022 results. It's a pleasure to be here in Toulouse alongside Dominik to walk you through what we delivered. Once again, 2022 brought us a difficult operating climate. On one hand, the past year emphatically showed that flying is something people want to do, even when ticket prices are higher. Carriers have gone back to planning their fleets for the long term and are getting ready for growth over the long term. Given that, with demand visibility over the long term reconfirmed, we made the decision last May to raise output on our A320 family to a rate of 75 per month by the middle of the decade. On the other hand, 2022 was likewise a year marked by numerous disruptions, largely caused by the combined effects of COVID and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. International sanctions, along with the energy crisis, worsened tensions that already existed around logistics, materials, components, and skilled workforce as well. Our supply chain, confronting these fairly harsh conditions, did not bounce back as quickly as we had expected. We were forced to adjust how we operated and the related production plan for the year, which ultimately brought us to what we announced in December. I must say, last year was a rather frustrating situation.
Guillaume Faury
executiveClearly, we weren't happy with how many aircraft we ended up delivering. In Q4, as you know, we handed over 226 commercial aircraft, which brought our total deliveries for the full year 2022 to 661 aircraft. That's an 8% rise versus 2021, but it's roughly half of the increase we originally had in mind. When I get to our guidance, you'll see this means reaching what we'd planned to do in 1 will take us two years. Even so, we hit our financial targets. For the full year 2022, our EBIT adjusted came in at EUR 5.6 billion. That EBIT adjusted figure reflects our deliveries, but also our competitiveness efforts, and it got a further boost from the overall positive effect of non-recurring elements. Our free cash flow before M&A and customer financing was EUR 4.7 billion, EUR 4.7, and it was helped by a favorable foreign exchange rates environment as well as a strong positive phasing impact from working capital. These solid financial results, with net income of EUR 4.2 billion, along with confidence in our future financial performance, underpin our dividend proposal for 2022 of EUR 1.80 per share. Going into 2023, we're seeing strong demand across all areas of our business, while at the same time we're up against persisting supply tensions.
Guillaume Faury
executiveFor this year, we anticipate that our delivery schedule for commercial aircraft will once more be weighted toward the latter part of the year. Given the geopolitical and macroeconomic turbulence that continues, there are still risks of additional disruptions. Before we turn to our commercial environment, I should note that the 3-year probation period under the Deferred Prosecution Agreement with the French Parquet National Financier — the so-called PNF — along with the UK SFO and the U.S. Department of Justice, came to an end on the 31st of January, 2023, which was a couple of weeks ago. We are waiting for the authorities to formally determine that Airbus has complied with the terms of the DPAs and to close the prosecution against Airbus in line with each country's procedural requirements. Airbus will keep meeting its obligations under the consent agreement, which has been extended until October 2023, as mutually agreed with the U.S. Department of State. I would also add that over the past years, we have put in place across the whole company a strong culture and governance when it comes to ethics and compliance, and we will maintain this and keep developing it going forward. Let's now turn to our commercial environment. During 2022, commercial air traffic kept recovering, with domestic and regional markets in the lead. International traffic has been gradually narrowing the gap, which strengthens our confidence in the outlook for the wide-body segment.
Guillaume Faury
executiveDemand for air travel rebounded more quickly than we had anticipated over the summer, and that pattern was confirmed by the robust activity seen around the close of the year, when worldwide traffic was already running near prior levels. China's reopening of late is turning out to be a powerful positive catalyst for air traffic as it steadily recovers. Every region ought to converge on normalized levels now. Let me take you back over our orders and backlog for the year. We logged 1,078 gross orders in total, 222 of them in Q4. In wide bodies, 63 orders were booked, 24 of them freighters, and we made further headway on remarketing our aircraft, which confirms the growing commercial momentum in wide bodies. Cancellations came to 258, only 49 of which fell in Q4. Those cancellations across the year had largely been foreseen and were already reflected in our backlog valuation as of year-end 2021. Consequently, net orders were positive, at 820 aircraft, and our backlog in units stood at 7,239 aircraft at the end of December 2022, including 6,093 A320 family aircraft. More than 6,000 for this family. Our net book-to-bill is well above 1, which shows how strongly our customers desire our well-positioned and diversified portfolio.
Guillaume Faury
executiveOnce again, the big Air India order we were honored to receive earlier this week made that clear — and obviously, as of the end of December 2022, it isn't reflected in our order book yet. We're really honored by this order. At group level, our backlog in value rose to EUR 449 billion, close to EUR 450 billion in 2022, mainly reflecting our book-to-bill above one as well as the strengthening of the US dollar. Our robust and diversified backlog would support the company's resilience in case macroeconomic conditions were to deteriorate. Looking at helicopters, in 2022, we booked 362 net orders, compared to 414 in 2021, with a book-to-bill above 1, both in units and value. Orders are well spread across programs and include 12 H160s, for which we secured customers on all targeted segments. 2022 was a solid year, I should say a good year, with ongoing market recovery and positive momentum on both civil and military markets. In Defense and Space, 2022 turned out to be a difficult year in a complex geopolitical and macroeconomic environment. Russia's attack on Ukraine had consequences that spread to many sectors and businesses. One of the direct consequences is the loss of access to the Russian Soyuz launchers.
Guillaume Faury
executiveMeanwhile, Ariane 6 has slipped again, and Vega-C is grounded for now — sorry — after the launch failure in December. Taken together, during 2022 Europe lost the bulk of its ability to reach space. That hit our space business directly as well. Beyond that, throughout our Defence and Space division, higher inflation weighed on our long-term contracts, especially the A400M program, and supply chain disruptions affect us too. There were also successes, and significant ones. The ESM — European Service Module — that Airbus built carried NASA's Orion spacecraft safely around the Moon and back home. We won major orders, including the FCAS, Future Combat Air System, demonstrator phase 1B, and Eurodrone, two key defense programs for the decades ahead. Those will be vital for Europe's security and strategic autonomy. We also booked other orders that will likewise matter to our future business, including the contract to deliver 20 latest generation Eurofighters to the Spanish Air Force, plus the renewal of twocontracts for in-service support of the Spanish fleet; the order from the Republic of Indonesia for two Airbus A400M and services becoming effective, which makes Indonesia the 10th operator of this aircraft; and the contract to provide two high-performance optical earth observation satellites and services to follow.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThat really shows how much faith our customers place in this company and in what we make, and it lifts our order intake to EUR 13.7 billion, which works out to a book-to-bill of roughly 1.2. There you have it. Dominik will now walk you through the financials.
Dominik Asam
executiveThanks, Guillaume. Good morning, everyone. For fiscal year 2022, our revenues rose to EUR 58.8 billion, a 13% increase year-on-year, driven mainly by a higher number of commercial aircraft deliveries, greater contributions from our divisions, and the appreciation of the US dollar. Our fiscal year EBIT adjusted grew to EUR 5.6 billion, up from EUR 4.9 billion the year before. That year-on-year improvement in EBIT adjusted comes mainly from the increase in commercial aircraft deliveries, partly offset by a slightly less favorable hedge rate compared with fiscal year 2021. It also includes certain non-recurring elements. As you may remember, during the first nine months we booked a non-recurring positive element of EUR 4.4 billion tied to retirement obligations, partly offset by a EUR 1 billion negative impact stemming from international sanctions against Russia. In Q4, we made progress on our compliance-related topics, which let us release provisions amounting to EUR 0.3 billion, while the loss of two Pléiades Neo satellites produced a negative impact of EUR 0.2 billion. Although we kept benefiting from our competitiveness efforts, investments in preparing the future — in particular our decarbonization efforts and ramp-up — are now showing up in our cost base.
Dominik Asam
executiveYou can see this especially clearly when you look at R&D spending: EUR 3.1 billion in 2022 compared with EUR 2.7 billion in 2021. Adjusted earnings per share for the fiscal year came in at EUR 5.15, calculated on an average of 787 million shares. Free cash flow before M&A and customer financing for the fiscal year reached a record EUR 4.7 billion, helped by working capital upside and appreciation of the U.S. dollar. Let's move to the next slide on profitability. Reported EBIT for fiscal year 2022 was EUR 5.3 billion. EBIT adjustments came to a negative EUR 0.3 billion in total, and that includes a EUR 308 million positive impact from foreign exchange mismatch and balance sheet revaluation, of which minus EUR 41 in Q4. EUR 28 million was tied to the A380 program, of which minus EUR 5 million in Q4. Minus EUR 477 million was tied to A400M, of which EUR 258 million negative in Q4. Minus EUR 82 million was tied to the Aerostructures transformation in France and Germany, of which minus EUR 34 million in Q4. Minus EUR 79 million came from other costs, including compliance costs, of which minus EUR 35 million in Q4. Reported earnings per share includes minus EUR 250 million of financial results, mainly reflecting minus EUR 232 million of net interest results.
Dominik Asam
executiveThere's also a negative effect coming from revaluing financial instruments, plus a positive effect from revaluing some equity investments. On the core business, the tax rate remains near 27%. For net income, the effective tax rate stands at 19%, which includes a net release tied to deferred tax asset impairments. Net income comes out at EUR 4.2 billion, and earnings per share are reported at EUR 5.40. Now let me move to how we cover our U.S. dollar exposure. As a reminder, the forwards portfolio and the euro conversions appear together, both for volumes and the rates attached to them. The mark-to-market numbers, by contrast, relate solely to the floored instruments. None of the mark-to-market applies to euro conversion deals that we have entered into. During fiscal year 2022, $20.3 billion of forwards matured, carrying an associated EBIT impact, and euro conversions were realized at a blended rate of 1.22, compared with 1.21 in fiscal year 2021. That volume takes in $6.2 billion during the fourth quarter at a blended rate of 1.23. We also put in place $16.4 billion of new coverage in fiscal year 2022 at a blended rate of 1.16, and of that, $3.5 billion came in Q4 2022 at a rate of 1.07, mainly covering the years 2023 through 2025.
Dominik Asam
executiveSo because of that, our total coverage portfolio in US dollars sits at $93.9 billion, with an average blended rate of 1.24, versus $98.3 billion at 1.25 at the close of 2021. Right now, we're adjusting that portfolio by putting some rollovers in place, so it reflects the most recent ramp-up trajectory along with our delivery targets for 2023. Now let's turn to how cash evolved during fiscal year 2022. Gross cash from operations came in at EUR 5.5 billion, which mostly mirrors our EBIT adjusted. Working capital went down by EUR 1.4 billion. That figure includes a positive phasing effect stemming from the timing of receipts and payments, PDPs among them, and it's helped along by a strong US dollar. The A400M kept dragging on our free cash flow, though to a lesser degree than in fiscal year 2021. CapEx for fiscal year 2022 was roughly -EUR 2.5 billion, compared with -EUR 1.9 billion in fiscal year 2021. We're expecting CapEx to edge up slightly in 2023. Reported free cash flow was +EUR 4.3 billion, and that includes M&A activity of -EUR 210 million, mainly tied to the acquisition of ZF Luftfahrttechnik in Helicop, while customer financing cash flow came to -EUR 146 million. Going forward, you may see us use more cash, even if, on the whole, the aircraft financing environment stays solid, with enough liquidity in the financial markets for our products.
Dominik Asam
executiveIn Q2, we paid the 2021 dividend, which came to EUR 1.50 per share, or EUR 1.2 billion overall. Regarding our pensions, for the full year 2022 we contributed EUR 4.6 billion. When the surplus in our UK schemes is factored in, the net pension deficit came to €2.9 billion as of December 2022 — that's a EUR 4.2 billion decrease over the course of 2022, driven mainly by rises in interest rates. At present we are taking advantage of the higher interest rate environment in order to lower how sensitive the pension deficit is to interest rates, and also to other parameters like inflation credit spreads and volatility in equity markets. As of the end of December 2022, our net cash position was €9.4 billion, and our liquidity position has grown stronger still, to €31.6 billion. If we look back over the past three years, we have succeeded in weathering numerous challenges to our balance sheet, among them the pandemic and the DPA payment, and we closed 2022 with a net cash position that exceeded our net pension deficit by €6.5 billion. With that positive note, I'll hand things back to Guillaume.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Dominik. Moving to commercial aircraft. During 2022, we handed over 661 planes to 84 customers. If we look at things by aircraft family: for the A220, 53 aircraft were delivered. We're continuing to ramp up and remain on track for rate 14, which we envisage by the middle of the decade. For the A320, we delivered 516 aircraft, 264 of which were A321s. To match supply, we've adapted the ramp-up trajectory. We're now progressing toward a monthly production rate of 65 aircraft by the end of 2024 and 75 in 2026. We continue to make progress on the ground work to secure rate 75, and all our sites are now A321 capable, including our final engines. On the A321XLR, we expect entry into service to take place in Q2 2024. No change. On wide body, 92 aircraft were delivered, of which 32 were A330s and 60 were A350s. On the A330, we increased our monthly production rate to around three at the end of 2022, as per our plan, and we now target reaching rate four in 2024. On the A350, we're now at a rate of around six aircraft per month in order to meet growing demand for wide-body aircraft.
Guillaume Faury
executiveFollowing a comprehensive feasibility review conducted alongside our suppliers, we have now made the decision to aim for a monthly build rate of nine A350s, with that target scheduled for attainment at the close of 2025. We are likewise glad that an amicable settlement has been reached with Qatar Airways, and it will allow us to move ahead and collaborate once more as partners. That covers agreed terms concerning delivery of 50 A321neos along with 23 A350s. Now let's turn to Airbus commercial financials for 2022. Year-on-year revenues rose 15%, largely a reflection of a greater quantity of deliveries plus the strengthening of the US dollar. EBIT adjusted climbed to €4.6 billion, up from €3.6 billion in 2021, which reflects the higher deliveries and was helped by certain non-recurring elements, partially offset by a less favorable hedge rate relative to 2021. Non-recurring elements included positive impacts from retirement obligations and compliance-related topics, partly offset by the impact stemming from international sanctions against Russia. Turning to helicopters, during 2022 we handed over 344 helicopters, which is six more than in 2021. Year-on-year revenues grew 8% to €7 billion, mainly reflecting expansion in services and the favorable mix in programs. EBIT adjusted rose by roughly 20% year-on-year, reaching €639 million. Non-recurring elements, including the positive impact tied to retirement obligations.
Guillaume Faury
executiveSo the profit margin ended up at 9.1% for 2022. I'm happy with how solidly the division performed and with the strong execution of our programs. Great job, helicopters. Now let's wrap up our look at 2022 with Defense and Space. Revenues were up 11% year-over-year, driven mostly by higher volume in military aircraft and Eurodrone. The drop in EBIT adjusted mostly mirrors the impairments tied to the December loss of two Pléiades Neo satellites, the Vega-C crash, and the Ariane 6 delays, along with the effect of rising inflation. That's partly offset by higher volume in military aircraft, the Eurodrone ramp up, and a positive impact from retirement obligations booked in Q1. On the A400M, 10 aircraft were delivered in 2022. We're continuing development activities toward hitting the revised capability roadmap. Retrofit activities are moving forward in close alignment with the customer. During 2022, an update of the contract — the so-called EAC, Estimated Completion — was carried out, and an additional charge of EUR 4.5 billion was recorded. This mostly reflects updated assumptions, including inflation and risks tied to the remaining SOC3 contractual development milestones that still need to be achieved. Risks remain around qualification of technical capabilities and the associated costs on aircraft operational reliability, on cost reductions, and on securing export orders in time as per the revised baseline.
Guillaume Faury
executiveSo, for Defense and Space overall, the external environment stayed tough, which meant disappointing results in 2022. Quite a few headwinds. Now, moving to our guidance — let me read it out. When setting its 2023 guidance, the company assumes there will be no further disruptions to the global economy, air traffic, the supply chain, the company's internal operations, or its capacity to deliver products and services. The company's 2023 guidance is before M&A. On that basis, for 2023 the company is targeting roughly 720 commercial aircraft deliveries, an EBIT adjusted of about EUR 6 billion, and free cash flow before M&A customer financing of approximately EUR 3 billion. This guidance mirrors the adjusted growth path of our commercial aircraft business, factoring in the timing of pre-delivery payments, the investments we're making to get ready for our future, and the difficult operating conditions we keep confronting. That brings me to our key priorities, which, incidentally, are unchanged. This year, more than ever, our top priority is ramping up commercial aircraft production, including the single-aisle aircraft, as we move toward rate 75 in 2026. In this tough environment, we'll work closely with our suppliers so production matches suppliers.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAt the same time, we’ll keep pursuing the long-term transformation of our company. That effort is now becoming more short-term and mid-term in nature as we digitalize and decarbonize our processes, products, and services. The geopolitical disruptions of 2022, above all the war on Europe’s doorstep, made plain the need for a strong and sovereign Europe, especially in defense and high-end technologies. We take pride in contributing to Europe’s ambition by playing a leading role in major defense programs, notably the Eurodrone, the Tiger MkIII, and the Future Combat Air System, all of which made significant progress last year. On sustainability, as we highlighted at our most recent Airbus Summit, we strive to set the sustainability agenda for the aerospace sector. That is our priority, and it is my priority. Our focus now is to move, together with a broader aerospace ecosystem, from ambitions to actions. Last year, we defined near-term reduction targets for Scope 1, Scope 2, and Scope 3 emissions. I’m pleased to announce that our targets have now been approved by the SBTi, the Science Based Targets initiative. This is an important milestone, since these objectives going forward will shape decision-making at every level of our company. I’ll share more on this topic during our annual press conference right after this call.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe’ll be right here with you. In the past year, we also achieved tangible advances in our roadmap toward meeting those goals. I’d like to touch on a few of the key points. Where SAF — Sustainable Aviation Fuel — is concerned, we kept pushing forward with efforts to expand its production and uptake, as shown by our landmark partnership with Qantas and our recent MoU with Neste, among the biggest SAF manufacturers globally. When it comes to hydrogen, we’re continuing to bring our novel technologies to maturity as we prepare for a hydrogen-powered aircraft to enter service by 2035. Under what we call the ZEROe program, we announced work on a hydrogen-powered fuel cell engine. At the same time, we entered a partnership agreement with CFM to test a direct combustion engine running on hydrogen. That said, over the near term, cutting aviation’s carbon footprint begins above all with substituting thousands of older planes with our newest-generation fuel-efficient models, which already let airlines substantially lower their emissions and use SAF in large volumes. Those aircraft are already certified to operate on 50% of SAF. Decarbonization isn’t just a challenge — for us, it’s a very significant opportunity. Before we open things up for your questions, let me say a few words about Dominik. Dominik, working alongside you over these last 4 years has truly been a pleasure and a privilege — I believe the 2022 figures, despite every difficulty, reflect the very important and crucial contribution you made to this company.
Guillaume Faury
executiveTo sum up, working alongside you has truly been a pleasure. I wish you the very best in your upcoming role at SAP. Until then, we’ll be doing the roadshows as a team. That said, I’m feeling a little emotional about this—sorry about that. I suppose I’ll now pass things over to you, Hélène.
Hélène Le Gorgeu
executiveWe're moving into the Q&A portion now. When you ask a question, kindly state your name and your company. Kindly keep it to 2 questions per turn, and that counts sub-questions too. And as always, please do remember to speak clearly and at a slow pace so that everyone on the call, ourselves especially, can follow what you're asking. Melanie, please go ahead and walk the participants through the procedure.
Operator
operatorThanks. We’re moving into the Q&A portion now. Ladies and gentlemen, to pose a question, kindly press star one one on your phone’s keypad. Our first question is from Daniela Costa at Goldman Sachs. Madam, the floor is yours.
Daniela Costa
analystHello, and good morning. Thanks so much for taking my question. I'd like to zero in on the free cash flow guidance, and I have two questions tied to it. First, could you expand a bit on the headwinds and tailwinds that add up to the EUR 3 billion this year, since that figure is somewhat under what the market had anticipated — are there any one-offs, or anything the market may have overlooked there? Related to that, I believe you've said before that once you get to a net cash position, potentially in the neighborhood of EUR 10 billion, you would think about an extra distribution to shareholders, potentially through a buyback. I'd like to know whether there are any updates to that thinking, given where your balance sheet stands now and the cash you expect to generate this year might put you in that position. Thank you.
Dominik Asam
executiveYes. Thank you, Daniela. Perhaps I'll begin with the free cash flow headwinds. I think you also need to view this against the backdrop of 2022. Remember that at first, back in 2022, our expectation was that we would land at a lower figure. We ultimately came in EUR 1.2 billion above the original guidance. We enjoyed a sizable tailwind there, particularly on contract assets, and also very favorable timing on accounts payable. Those two items each contributed a positive EUR 3.3 billion in 2022. Well, now you're seeing somewhat of the reverse of that. When you look at the cumulative picture across those two years, it's in fact fairly near a cash conversion of one. We remain committed to our pledge that across the five-year planning horizon, from 2022 through 2026, cash conversion will be 1, as we already stated at the Capital Markets Day. It's that working capital swing, notoriously hard to predict and volatile, and of course it hasn't been made any simpler by some deliveries on the PDP side shifting to the right.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThanks, Dominik. On getting to EUR 10 billion in net cash, we're sitting at EUR 9.4. During the first half of the year, the dividend payment will take place. You can see what we're expecting for 2023 when it comes to free cash flow. I need to say again what we mentioned, I believe, earlier in the prior year. That's a conversation we anticipate having more in 2024 than in 2023, and we'll have it once we reach that point. I'm pleased with how 2022 turned out, since the free cash flow and net cash position at year-end were considerably stronger than what we had anticipated right at the start of the year.
Daniela Costa
analystThat's very clear, thank you so much.
Guillaume Faury
executiveI appreciate it.
Operator
operatorOur following question is from Robert Stallard at Vertical Research. Robert, the floor is yours.
Robert Stallard
analystThank you very much, and good morning, everyone.
Guillaume Faury
executiveGood morning, everyone.
Robert Stallard
analystI have a couple of questions. To start with, Guillaume, regarding the ramp target you revised: considering all the difficulties you encountered in 2022, how confident are you that you and your supply chain are now able to deliver on that updated plan? Second, some reports have suggested that the supply chain isn't the only area facing challenges — Airbus is also dealing with some internal process difficulties. I'd like to know whether you could address that too. Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveYes. Good morning, Robert. We did indeed need to revise our ramp-up plan—absorbing the lessons and confronting the hard realities of the supply environment we find ourselves in. To be clear, in 2022 the situation has been driven mainly, if not solely, by the extremely complex and poor supply environment. That is really what we had to confront. At this point, I mean, our target now is to deliver a 720 by the end of 2023, which means it will have taken us two years to accomplish the ramp-up we had expected to complete in one year when we entered into 2022. That's not something we like. That's the fact—we have built the plan for 2023 based on the facts and today's situation and all the headwinds we see in the supply chain. We believe this situation should ease progressively moving forward. We have designed our ramp up for 2023 based on the today's situation of supply, and therefore, we believe in that in that trajectory. That's a trajectory that is facing the brutal fact of the very bad environment we're in. On the second point, I don't know exactly where things came from on those reports. We need to deliver in spite of the adverse environment we're in, and that's basically the situation we're in.
Guillaume Faury
executiveYes, certainly, a great deal of the supply-side trouble has to be offset through our own adjustments, through reshuffling whenever a crisis crops up in one place or another. When vendors of either small or very large equipment inform us that they cannot deliver what they had planned within a particular quarter, that means a substantial amount of adaptation work. If the issues do not necessarily originate in internal operations, then we must locate the fixes internally. That is the message I passed to my management earlier this year, and it is perhaps what set off some remarks externally. It simply means confronting the reality that the environment is tough, and so considerable effort is required to offset the impact, to be creative, and to keep finding ways to adapt our production plannings to the crises emerging here and there. That is what we did in 2022. We increased output by roughly 50 aircraft more in 2022 than in 2021. What we expect for 2023 is much the same pattern. We are aiming for 60 aircraft more, slightly under 60 relative to what we achieved in 2022, and we genuinely believe that is achievable given the current environment.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThat answer is somewhat lengthy, yet it's probably the single most important question regarding our 2023 guidance.
Robert Stallard
analystThat is great, and I appreciate it a lot.
Operator
operatorOur following question is from Doug Harned at Bernstein. Doug, you have the floor.
Douglas Harned
analystThank you, and good morning. I'd like to stay on the topic of supply chain challenges affecting the A320. First, looking back at last year, for a large part of it, engines seemed to be the primary problem when it came to delays in building and delivering aircraft in the A320 family. From what we understand, that situation has now changed, and a broader range of suppliers—possibly in Europe—may be the source of difficulty. So my first question is whether you could help us grasp how you are currently managing the supplier landscape, since it might differ somewhat from what you faced through much of last year. My second question concerns the strong demand for the A320 family: we would presume that when delays occur, the timing of deliveries gets pushed back, and you may have escalators that are frozen or some penalties owed to customers, some compensation. Could you help us understand whether there is any material issue there regarding margins connected to the delays?
Guillaume Faury
executiveAlright, thank you. Regarding how supply looked in 2022, we did face a significant number of delays when it came to engine deliveries during the first half of the year, and that was true with every engine manufacturer. As a result, we ended up, well, revising our production planning multiple times, and that made Q2 and Q3 extremely challenging on the delivery front, since we were genuinely short of engines. Then in Q3 and Q4 — I mean, in Q4 the engine makers returned to that revised planning, and we saw stability during the second half of the year. Problems showed up everywhere. We had trouble with the supply chain stemming from a shortage of electronic components, very far down the chain, which hit a great many of our Tier 3 and Tier 4 suppliers and consequently reached us at a later point. There were plenty of difficulties bringing workforce back on board after COVID, locating the skills and competencies needed, which slowed the ramp-up at a number of suppliers. We also dealt with logistics problems worldwide and raw material supply. Once again, it's a lengthy list of troubles that hit the entire supply chain, not just the engine makers. That is what caused us to revise the planning multiple times over the year, return to the market with revised guidance on two occasions, and arrive at the figure you saw at year-end.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThings have pretty much leveled off. I'm not claiming the supply chain situation has improved—I'm simply saying that, in my view, it has quit getting worse. We expect gradual improvement as we go forward, though we aren't banking on the supply chain fully recovering over the near term. Challenges will persist into 2023. That is what our guidance reflects, engines included. Certainly, when delivery runs into trouble and obstacles, we must manage the backlog in a very hands-on way. As you can see, we now expect to hit rate 65 by the close of next year—a full year behind the target we had when 2022 began. Worldwide, we keep putting capital expenditure into getting our production systems ready for rate 75, all of them A321 capable. That work is underway right now. Yesterday we had the chance to tour Toulouse, in the Jean-Luc Lagardère building, where the new A321 line is; it will be completed by 2026. We keep working to raise output to rate 75 as fast as possible. For this year, we're relying on the supply chain to deliver according to our plans—and these are revised plans, which makes things far, far simpler.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe are continually negotiating and talking with customers so we can replan and make it work on our side. Dominik, perhaps you'd like to add a few words about this? No.
Dominik Asam
executiveWell, sure — given the deferral, those conversations are happening. The main thing that has to be settled individually, case by case, is what counts as an excusable delay. We mentioned engine delays, and those genuinely are excusable. Sorting that out is the job for this year, and it's a really big focus for us this year to readjust. As you'll remember, customers asked us back in 2020 to rephase in a major way because of COVID, and we went along with those requests. Now we have to deal with what that COVID impact did to the supply chain, and then the Ukraine crisis after it.
Douglas Harned
analystThanks, Dominik.
Dominik Asam
executiveThanks.
Operator
operatorOlivier Brochet from Redburn has the next question. Sir, go right ahead.
Olivier Brochet
analystYes, morning Guillaume, morning Dominik. I've got a couple of questions. The first concerns the Chinese final assembly line. Deliveries came in extremely low across December and January. How are you viewing the path to improvement, and at what point do you expect things to get back to normal on that front? The second is about the A321 final assembly line extensions you referred to, which are now, you know, underway. When does entry into service happen for the different lines in Mobile, Toulouse and Tianjin, please?
Guillaume Faury
executiveRegarding Tianjin, you likely recall that we shifted that line from producing the A320 to handling both the A320 and A321 flexibly. To carry out this conversion, we halted the assembly line for a number of weeks — actually more than weeks; it was a couple of months, to be honest. My answer isn't perfectly precise here, but this transition had to happen, and it caused some disruptions. On top of that, we ran into some Covid-related events when China's zero-Covid policy was lifted, so things were quite turbulent. As far as deliveries go, there's no particular problem we foresee in Tianjin. That isn't a critical item on my own agenda. Turning to the ramp-up of A321 capacity at the new FALs worldwide, Mobile is progressing according to plan. Its first delivery is scheduled, I believe, in 2024 or 2025 — I don't have that at the top of my mind. As for Toulouse, the new A321 FAL there will hand over its first aircraft — the very first one — by the end of this year. We're proceeding as planned, and next year this will very significantly support the capacity needed to accelerate the ramp-up of the A320 and A321 family.
Olivier Brochet
analystAppreciate it.
Operator
operatorChloé Lemarié from Jefferies has the next question. You have the floor, ma'am.
Chloé Lemarié
analystYes, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. My first one concerns the EBIT bridge from 2022 to 2023, since a number of one-off items were reflected in the 2022 performance. I'm thinking of the pension catch-up recorded in Defense and Space as a positive headwind. Could you shed a bit more light on the key moving parts going forward, notably aircraft contribution, cost ramp, and inflation? My second question is on the A350 ramp. Its volume is lower than Narrowbody, but arguably much faster. Are there any specific pressure points within the supply chain that you're watching that could slow this? I'm thinking obviously titanium, but maybe some other product as well. Thank you.
Dominik Asam
executiveLet me try to walk through the bridge from 2022 into 2023. First, obviously, there's the aircraft increment. Keep in mind that this increment isn't entirely high-margin A320s — A220s also contribute a very meaningful increment, so that matters when you account for it. There's a slight step up, though truly marginal. On Invest in the Future, I'd call it very low EUR double-digit million. R&D is already at a very high level. The ramp was already very expensive in 22, so the delta isn't big there. Forex is slightly better, EUR 200 million, I'd say. You brought up some non-recurring items. We had, I believe, the pension past service adjustment of EUR 400 million, but there was also EUR 0.3 million negative on Ukraine. We had EUR 300 million on compliance, and then there was the legacy EUR 200 million loss. That nets out to minus EUR 0.4, since the net was positive in 2022 and will go to EUR 0 next year. That essentially gives you the bridge. That's how you can bridge it fairly easily. Of course there are all kinds of smaller puts and takes, but they're not material in the overall context.
Dominik Asam
executiveInflation is having a negative effect to some degree, but we're working to offset that.
Guillaume Faury
executiveRight. On the wide-body ramp-up—if you actually look at our figures, the steepest increases we're dealing with are on the A220 and the wide-body. Naturally, when it comes to volumes, it's the A320 ramp-up that sits at the top of the supply chain agenda. As we like to say, once bitten, twice shy. We're being very prudent about ramping up wide-bodies, and we're spending considerable time with our suppliers evaluating their capabilities. There are quite a few critical items, from small ones to large ones. Engines are going to be one thing we watch very closely. That's probably sitting on the critical path. We also have a number of equipment and system items. On titanium, we're managing that, and there's no volume risk provided we can keep sourcing it. That's not something we think will be a major issue this year. Again, yes—a steep ramp-up on wide-bodies, with very strong demand. We already saw that coming at the start of last year. You'll recall I began flagging the signal that demand for wide-bodies was genuinely returning. Now we're seeing it in the bookings and across all the campaigns.
Guillaume Faury
executiveSo because of that, we’re getting our own production system ready for this new situation.
Chloé Lemarié
analystI appreciate that.
Operator
operatorTristan Sanson from BNP Paribas Exane has the next question. Go ahead, sir.
Tristan Sanson
analystYes, good morning, Guillaume, and good morning, Dominik. Thanks for taking my question. The first one is, again, actually about how the ramp-up in aircraft production is being managed. Could you tell us if there are specific actions being taken to address the issues you're facing in Q3 and Q4 — things like monitoring of the supply chain, more control, incentives, whatever — that would show a slight change in how you're approaching these difficulties, or is it the same as last year? The second question follows up on cost inflation. You described that at the capital market in September of last year, how escalation was predicting the activity over time from the volatility of your cost base. We're planning that there could be temporary headwinds. How is it unfolding versus that plan in terms of the evolution of energy, raw mat, and salaries? You don't seem to be so stressed about it for 2023, but a bit more granularity would be quite interesting. Many thanks.
Guillaume Faury
executiveGood morning, Tristan. Yes, we are indeed dedicating considerable time and effort to handling the supply chain situation. When it comes to the supply chain, our level of visibility and transparency is already very high. Throughout 2022, we have continued to increase and enhance that. What we are also getting better at is the capacity to anticipate and manage a crisis far more quickly than we did before, moving deeper into the supply chain faster than we were accustomed to. We have set that up together with some of our tier one suppliers as well. That is likely the more collaborative and speedier approach to grasping the situation and identifying alternatives. We have also put investment into duplicating and making the supply chain more resilient. We will keep doing so in 2023. There is a lengthy list of actions that we continue to run, and we have what we call a lessons learned exercise from 2022, conducted in a very structured manner, so we keep enhancing how we handle this further new and highly adverse supply chain situation, which we had not gone through in the last—what, decades, probably. We are adjusting to that situation, and we have adjusted our own planning too. As you can see, we are now anticipating a ramp-up at a much slower pace than what we had targeted at the beginning of 2022.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThat's another takeaway from the environment as well. As we watch conditions get better and see some indications that this is taking place, we'll adjust once more and get ready for 2024 and 2025. Dominik, let's go to the next question.
Dominik Asam
executiveYeah, perhaps regarding inflation. Yes, there's actually a negative item—I'd call it a couple hundred million—in the 2022 to 2023 bridge. That's on a net basis. How it works is that we're seeing a very significant cost increase. To some extent, our escalation clauses let us offset that; on one hand they're capped, but on the other they cover the whole commercial revenue base. A few of the inflation-related items, particularly on contracts—the so-called estimated completion contracts—were actually already reflected in our financial statement in 2022. That's why it remains a burden for us, so it isn't something to take lightly, but it's not a huge item in our 2022 to 2023 bridge. I mean, if it compounds—which of course isn't what we currently expect given what's happening in the market—but if it does compound, it can of course become more material, and that's what we keep highlighting here.
Tristan Sanson
analystThat's really helpful. I appreciate your feedback.
Operator
operatorOur following question is from Milène Kerner at Barclays. Ma'am, the floor is yours.
Milène Kerner
analystYes. Hello, and thanks for taking my question. I actually have two, please. Guillaume, you mentioned that you still anticipate challenges in 2023. From your perspective, how long do you think it will be before the industry returns to the productivity levels seen in 2018? My second question is for Dominik, and I'll second what Guillaume said. It has been a genuine pleasure working with you over the years. My question is this: you had close to EUR 24 billion of gross cash at the end of December. Going forward, what benefit does the rising interest rate environment bring to your interest expense? Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveI'll take the first question. Well, yes — you're touching on a tricky subject there, namely industrial productivity. The truth is, productivity right now is far lower — to put it mildly — than it was prior to COVID. From that standpoint, and from many others, we still haven't bounced back from COVID. That's an area we're putting a great deal of emphasis on this year. This comes from a lot of different places — this highly disrupted environment is making us quite inefficient, frankly. It also stems from the big renewal of the workforce in technical roles; onboarding people takes time, as does finding the skills, training them, and getting people back to where we were before COVID in terms of highly skilled, highly trained manual and intellectual capabilities. That may be less of an issue with the big OEMs, the large firms, than it is within the supply chain. Smaller businesses find it very hard to handle that situation. We still feel the effect of lockdowns and of teleworking habits that people picked up and haven't entirely gotten past. It's a complicated picture when it comes to productivity and efficiency across major industrial sectors, and we're still in recovery.
Guillaume Faury
executiveOn your question about when we'll return to 2018 productivity levels — honestly, I don't know. The jury's still out on that. But we want to work hard on those topics, because that's very much driving our performance. That topic is high on my own personal agenda and on my team's as well. It's a sectorial issue. Dominik?
Dominik Asam
executiveOn interest rates — yes, you're right to bring that up; in a sense, higher rates purely on the treasury side don't help us. You pointed to the interest earned on our sizable cash position, but keep in mind that we've also swapped against bond liabilities, so the gross figure of EUR 24 billion isn't the right one to focus on. You need to subtract the liabilities we hold, the financial liabilities, and beyond that, within that EUR 24 billion there's a bond portfolio of EUR 6, 7 billion that's relatively short — 10 or 3 to 5 years — and that doesn't move one-to-one either. There is a benefit in that. The biggest benefit, though, comes from the pension liability, where our portfolio has a very long duration. That's why, over the past couple of years, you've watched the pension deficit fall to EUR 2.9 billion now from EUR 10 billion previously. With rates higher, we're beginning to hedge, and we've already made solid progress. In our financial statement you can review how sensitive our pension deficit is to interest rates, and you'll find it has come down already. That de-risking continues, and it's really the largest lever we have on the rate side within treasury.
Operator
operatorThanks. Our next question is from David Perry at JPMorgan. Sir, go ahead, please.
David Perry
analystYes. Morning, Dominik and Guillaume. Dominik, best of luck in the new role. I'm certain it won't match the civil airline for excitement. Guillaume, two questions, please. You've provided delivery guidance of 720 for 2023, yet that leaves a far larger step up now toward the sort of figures you were targeting for 2024 and 2025 back at the CMD. I just wondered whether you could say a little about how you view the journey and what gives you confidence that production can accelerate over the coming few years. I suppose tied to that, the second part is that a line appears in the press release mentioning the longer term transformation of the company, but you haven't really expanded on it in your, in your speech. Perhaps you could discuss some of the plans you have. I think the two are linked, probably. Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveYes. Thank you, David — I really appreciate what you said about the future challenges Dominik will face. I'm with you that nothing really compares to aerospace. On your more serious point about the ramp-up accelerating going forward: actually, we've set a target for 2023 of 720 planes. That was the objective we had for last year. Essentially, we've lost a year in terms of coming out of COVID-19 and re-accelerating. As for the midterm target — getting to rate 65 and getting to rate 75 — we've also pushed those out by a year. Because at the start of last year, we said we wanted to hit rate 65 by the end of 2023. Now we're saying the end of 2024. Fundamentally, we have more reasons to believe this will play out appropriately, since we know where we stand in manufacturing the new production systems and the new files. We've made progress on those files. We've done the same job with our suppliers and our supply chain. We have a much better understanding of what's going to happen in 2023, but also in 2024 and 2025. So this acceleration of the ramp-up in 2024 compared to 2023 is substantiated by a lot of activities we've completed with our suppliers.
Guillaume Faury
executiveWe’re also seeing, on their side, what their investment is producing—the hiring they’re doing and the CapEx they’re putting into getting ready for that ramp-up. That’s likewise true of what we’ve carried out with our widebody suppliers, in relation to the earlier question. As for the long-term transformation, that’s essentially what we’ve accomplished, or what we started last year through reorganizing our production system. It’s probably not something we talk about very much on these calls, but it matters a great deal for Airbus to have made the decision that Aerostructures is make, that we roll out our digital solutions everywhere, including in what we now call Airbus Atlantic, Airbus Aerostructures, and AI on detailed parts. That’s the effort we’re making on the ecosystem for digital and decarbonization transformation. It’s also what we’re doing across all Sustainable Aviation Fuel activities. You can see that SBTi has approved us on our Scope 1, Scope 2, and Scope 3 objectives. That’s an area where we’re collaborating very closely with many external stakeholders in order to succeed in decarbonizing the planes, and also the operations, including using those new fuels. That may be something we could take up at a later stage.
Guillaume Faury
executiveOur team is absolutely ready to take this on. We're pushing forward with a transformation plan built on 4 pillars: people, products, production systems, and what we refer to as the ecosystem — meaning all the players around us that have a big impact, or will have a big impact, on how fast we decarbonize aviation. Those are, I mean, the high-level factors behind what I mean when I talk about driving the more midterm and long-term transformation of our company.
David Perry
analystAlright, that’s useful. Thanks, and best of luck.
Operator
operatorOur following question is from Harry Breach at Stifel. Go right ahead, sir.
Harry Breach
analystYes. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning, Guillaume, Dominik, and Hélène. I just have two questions. Please forgive me if I missed something earlier. Maybe for Guillaume, regarding sales campaign activity — since order intake last year was clearly very good, clearly a significant upturn. In terms of the level of activity we're looking at, how do you see it right now in terms of the level of interest and demand out there in the market? Then maybe one a little bit more for Dominik. Dominik, with Defence and Space, it's become a little bit of a difficult business for us to try to forecast from outside of Airbus, probably from the inside too. Last year, with the impact of the situation with Russia, the Pléiades charges, cost inflation, the Ariane 6 delays, when, Dominik, when can we think about Defense and Space getting back to the old margins of around 8%, 8.5%? Can we get maybe halfway back there this year? Should we think about that? Can you give us some help to think about that? Thank you.
Guillaume Faury
executiveThank you for the questions. The second one is interesting, and I will in fact let Dominik handle it. I'll address the first, and that one has a pretty straightforward answer. This market is highly dynamic. There's substantial demand for our products, along with many campaigns currently underway — not just for widebodies and freighter, but for the single aisle products as well. You're going to see a great deal happening again this year. That simply underscores how much we need to speed up our ramp-up further. Which is why we're devoting so much time and energy to the supply chain and to our investments at Airbus, since demand for the product truly is not weakening as we move ahead. We began the year with that Tata India success, on both widebodies and single aisle, and I expect we'll keep seeing 2023 unfold in that same vein. Dominik, on the Defense and Space margins?
Dominik Asam
executiveSure. As you yourself pointed out, 2022 proved something of an annus horribilis for Defense and Space, since a great many external shocks arrived that were genuinely non-recurring in nature and simply had to be absorbed. Naturally, the roughly EUR 3.4 billion return on sales recorded in 2022 requires some degree of depollution, which means, let's say, that some upside ought to be there. We posted 6.8% in 2021, you know. I don't believe we will get all the way back to that, but a solid improvement is what we expect for 2023. Turning now to the 8% aspiration, I should say it is rather a longer-term grinding target. It keeps shifting toward the outer years of the five-year forecast horizon. The slope available for getting there is really structural improvement grinding, comparable to the slope you might observe on Helico, where, as you can see, we also add some margin each year. Don't expect any miracles. In my view there's a good snapback opportunity in 2023, given how non-recurring the 2022 items were, and not all of that was an adjustment, as you may have noticed. Considerably heavier lifting will need to be done across several years.
Guillaume Faury
executiveI might just add to what Dominik said — a good deal of that circumstance stems from how contracts were set up in the past, and we're putting a lot of effort into the new ones so the future looks different. It won't show up in our figures right away, since those agreements run for very long terms, but take FCAS or the Eurodrone: they're set up quite differently, precisely so we don't end up in today's position, where headwinds hit our members directly and harshly. Thanks to you both. Thank you. And best of luck to Dominik.
Harry Breach
analystAppreciate it.
Operator
operatorChristophe Menard of Deutsche Bank has the next question. Go ahead, sir.
Christophe Ménard
analystYes, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions, and best of luck to Dominik in his new position as well. I have two questions. The first concerns the free cash flow bridge once more, for 2023. Should we anticipate that certain PDP down payments have moved into 2024? In effect, you're reducing the count of deliveries you had probably initially expected. Does that bridge for 2023 include any cash payment from the Qatar settlement, or was that already reflected in 2022? My second question relates more to the company's transformation. You listed a few elements. I was wondering whether you have also considered, or are thinking about, frankly, a supply chain that is more regional going forward, since we've observed this in other industries, such as automotive or cap goods, and it's probably one way to address, I mean, the problems you faced in supply chain, in, well, much of last year.
Dominik Asam
executiveAlright, can I begin with free cash flow? To start, I believe this conversation breaks into two separate buckets. One is the more operational question of how PDPs are phased relative to the ramp. Naturally, as you already observed in 2021, when orders for deliveries get pushed to the right, PDP is affected. The well-known EUR 3.3 billion net PDP flow along with contract assets and liabilities in 2022 is not going to happen again. It will decline. We are not handing PDPs back. I think you're suggesting we could repay PDPs. This is really a matter of phasing regarding future PDPs payable. You brought up two legal cases here. I don't want to discuss any specific numbers, since we've agreed to confidentiality on that. The one thing I can actually say is that it's to be paid in 2023, but my focus is more on the broader bucket of non-recurring items. As you know, there are additional headwinds — temporary ones — affecting free cash flow. We've said before that the A400M is still there to some degree. There's also some long-end stuff from business partners. That's another reason why in 2023 we face a certain headwind, though it isn't the major item. The major item really comes from working capital — the phasing of payments and receipts.
Guillaume Faury
executiveRegarding your question about the transformation, I believe we've already had the chance on prior calls last year and in numerous conversations to lay out what we're doing when it comes to making our operations more resilient, and essentially reducing risk across the supply chain by having multiple sources of supply and cutting down on the number of what we refer to as single points of failure — and that results in the supply chain becoming more regionalized. We're doing more local-for-local and less buying and logistics on a global basis. This happens gradually, and we don't approach it as a policy but rather through case-by-case analysis of exposure. So it does lead to greater regionalization. That's the outcome. It isn't the goal in itself. We don't include it as part of the transformation or what we term the transformation of the company. It's more about how we operate the business and how we continually adjust to the realities of the world. Essentially, yes, we do this, and that's also something we can elaborate on further. You're correct that this is something visible across many industries, and it's also something we observe at many companies — large companies active in aerospace.
Christophe Ménard
analystMuch appreciated. That is quite clear. Thanks.
Operator
operatorOur final question comes from Ian Douglas-Pennant at UBS. Ian, the floor is yours.
Ian Douglas-Pennant
analystAppreciate you fitting me in at the end. I'd like to spend a moment on margins, please, and particularly margins past 2023. First off, could you offer any directional color there — I know that's vague — but going deeper, could you walk us through a sensitivity to inflation? If inflation lands at 2%, 5%, or 8%, can you give some sense of the timing effect and how that would hit your margins? Second, regarding the wide body production increases, can you help us think through the marginal profitability of those programs as they move forward? My understanding is that today they're roughly break even — maybe you could set me straight on that. Just some commentary on how a 50% increase in A350 production volumes affects the profitability of that line would be great. Thank you.
Dominik Asam
executiveRegarding inflation, I said that based on our current assumptions for 2023, we anticipate a net impact of a couple hundred million EUR—that represents a year-over-year deterioration. If you assume a comparable environment continuing each year, you'd pick up that order of magnitude, and it may be compounding. I mean, when you compound things, they tend to grow exponentially. It all hinges on the inflation itself in the market. As you can observe in the capital markets for inflation-linked products, there is actually an anticipation of mean reversion back to levels of 2.5%. If we were on such a trajectory, to be blunt, inflation would not be a topic for us. Let's hope that this is the way we are going. I cannot provide any further details, because, again, these inflation caps are super sensitive topics in commercial debates with customers. On production increases feeding through to margin, yes, I can confirm that we actually brought both wide body programs to a break-even situation, which was a great success and really heavy lifting. More upside is coming, and we can see, of course, a certain upside as we ramp production. The other thing I always remind people to do is, we have quite some volatility in deliveries overall.
Dominik Asam
executiveOn the A220 specifically, margins aren't really affected much, since that aircraft still generates roughly zero contribution margin, give or take. As for the other programs, if you examine how deliveries shift, then look at EBIT and strip out non-recurring Forex effects, and afterward take averages, that gives you a sense of where those contribution margins sit. I'd rather not get into specifics on that either, since it's a highly sensitive commercial matter with our customers as well as from a competitive standpoint.
Ian Douglas-Pennant
analystThanks.
Operator
operatorThat brings today's conference call to an end. Should you have any additional questions, just email Philip, Gustav, or me, and we'll respond as quickly as we can. Thanks, and we look forward to seeing you or talking with you again before long.
Guillaume Faury
executiveAppreciate it, everybody. Take care.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, that brings the conference to a close. You can go ahead and hang up your phones now. Thanks for being with us. Enjoy the rest of your day. Goodbye.
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