Alfen N.V. (ALFEN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 17, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorHello, and welcome to the Alfen 2023 Q1 Trading Update Call. My name is Laura, and I will be your coordinator for today's event. Please note, this call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, Marco Roeleveld, the CEO, to begin today's conference. Thank you.
Marco Roeleveld
executiveThank you, Laura. Good morning to this webcast regarding the 2023 first quarter trading update of Alfen. We appreciate the fact that you have taken the effort to participate. The webcast and the questions that may come forward are handled by the management Board of Alfen. Jeroen van Rossen, CFO; Michelle Lesh, CCO; and myself, Marco Roeleveld, CEO. In this first quarter, we have increased our Q1 revenue with 90%, and 2023 will be for Alfen the breakthrough year for Energy storage systems with a revenue growth of 280% -- 285% in Q1. In this webcast, we will start with the highlights of the first quarter of this year, followed by a short review of the business line Next, we will go in more detail regarding our financials and outlook. We now continue with Slide 3 with the highlights of the first quarter of 2023. In this quarter, we realized EUR 113.2 million in revenue. This represents a growth of 19% compared to the same period of last year. This growth was driven by a growth of 22% of Smart grid solutions and especially by Energy storage systems with 4x the revenue compared to the same quarter of last year. The European EV charging market is still hampered by destocking in the distribution channels, leading to a temporary slowdown of our EV charging revenue. The overall gross margin was 32.1% compared to 35.7% in the last quarter or the same quarter of last year. This is purely driven by a shift in business line revenue mix towards Energy storage systems. As a percentage of revenue, the EBITDA declined from 17.9% in the first quarter of last year with 12.7% in the same quarter this year. For the Smart grid solutions revenue, it is notable that we will be awarded a long-term contract with Stedin being the Netherlands' third largest grid operator. And we will confirm our 2023 full-year revenue outlook of EUR 540 million to EUR 600 million supported by a strong backlog in Energy storage systems, exceeding EUR 165 million, of which a major part is executed -- expected to be executed in 2023. Lastly, I want to mention that we have set new medium-term financial objectives during our Capital Markets Day in last week, Wednesday. Jeroen will go in more detail on the financials later on in the presentation. In the coming 3 sheets, we go into a little bit more detail on each of our business lines. We start on Sheet 4 with EV charging equipment, where in Q1, the revenue was EUR 47 million being 14% less than in the same period last year. I would like to note that Q1 2022 was an extraordinary quarter with extremely high demand for EV charging stations as COVID-19 mobility measures were coming to an end. The market still faces excess inventory in the distribution channels, particularly in the home segment. The destocking takes longer than we expected. However, we do expect the market to improve after summer due to positive signals we hear from our customers and the increase in battery-equipped vehicles that are registered. In the market of the battery-equipped vehicles, we saw a 33% growth in Europe in Q1 compared to the same quarter of last year. In the first quarter, approximately 65% of our revenue was generated outside of the Netherlands. And in production-wise, we produced 43,800 charge points, a decline of 32% compared to the same period last year where we produced 64,600 charge points. The gross margin for EV charging equipment amounted to 41%. We now continue Sheet 5 with Market Solutions, where the revenue was 20% higher than in the same period last year and amounted up to EUR 41.7 million. Both the grid operators and private network businesses contributed to the revenue growth. And we continue to see a long-term growth trend in Smart grid solutions, underpinned by electrification of society's electrical energy needs. The grid operators announced a sustainable, higher ambitions in their 2022 annual reports to roll-out substations until 2030. The production in Q1 was 777 substations, an 8% decrease compared to last year in the same period. And the start-up operation for the new substation for Liander -- the Liander contract caused a lower number of substations produced in Q1 2023. And we also see a trend towards higher value substations. The gross margin for Smart grid solution amounted up to 31%. We go now to Sheet 6 regarding Energy storage systems, where in the first quarter, the revenue was EUR 24.5 million, an increase of 285% compared to EUR 6.4 million in Q1 last year. This increase in revenue was driven by both stationary applications and our mobile applications. The momentum in the Energy storage market continues to grow, and our backlog has grown significantly due to new contract wins and is now exceeding EUR 165 million. The gross margin for the Energy storage amounts to 18%. This is at the lower end of the 15% to 30% provided at the Capital Markets Day. But due to the relative high portion of large-scale projects in Q1, this is more as expected, and we expect also in the remaining part of the year that we will balance out. Our CCO, Michelle Lesh, will now continue with the most relevant market developments.
Michelle Lesh
executiveThanks, Marco. Now we'd like to quickly share some of the market insights across our business units. We shared some of these last week at our Capital Markets Day. But today, we wanted to use them as some additional context for Q1. First, in EV charging. What we do is regularly look at our customer base and want to be sure that we're both keeping our loyal customers as well as adding new customers. And what we saw is that when we looked at our top 50 customers from the last few years, we see that 98% of them are continuing to place orders in the last 6 months. So while the order volumes may be of a different magnitude, we still see customer retention. Second, we continue to see growth in our Smart grids business, and we'll be awarded a long-term agreement with Stedin. This agreement is in the final stages of signing. It will be a 4-year framework contract similar to our other grid operators, with the option for 2 additional, 2-year extensions for a total of potentially 8 years, and we'll see 50% of that contract. Third, we continue to see the momentum build in Energy storage. As Marco mentioned and is evidenced by our strong backlog, where we've got line of sight to more than EUR 165 million that will mostly convert this year and into 2024. Fundamentally, we see really strong market developments in each of our business lines and expect that long-term trends will support our continued growth. Now I'd like to hand it to Jeroen to talk through our financials.
Jeroen Rossen
executiveThank you, Michelle. Let's first have a quick look at the Q1 financials. Our revenues increased from EUR 95.5 million in the first quarter last year to EUR 113.2 million in the first quarter this year, an increase of 19%, and this growth was driven primarily by Energy storage systems with a growth of 285%, and our Smart grid solutions business with a growth of 22%. As Marco addressed earlier on in the presentation, the EV charging revenue decreased and is still hampered by destocking in the distribution channels. The gross margin decreased from a 35.7% in the first quarter last year to 32.1% in the first quarter this year, which is purely driven by a shift in the business line mix. The adjusted EBITDA decreased from EUR 17.1 million, which was 17.9% of revenues last year to EUR 12.7 million, which was 11.2% of revenues this year. And this is caused by a lower blended gross margin percentage and a decreasing EV charging revenue, which creates deleverage in this quarter. We achieved 3 out of the 4 financial objectives set at the time of the IPO in 2018. Therefore, we felt it was time to set new medium-term financial objectives which have been announced last week at our Capital Markets Day, and we rephrased them here. Let me first start by defining the medium term, that is 3 to 5 years, meaning in the time span of 2025 up to and including 2027. From a revenue perspective, we want to achieve a revenue of at least EUR 1 billion. Next to that, we want to keep the adjusted EBITDA in the range of mid- to high teens, meaning between 15% and 20%. And next to these qualitative objectives, we have a couple of more qualitative objectives. We feel we are well positioned to continue to outperform the market growth in all of our business lines. We want to not only support sustainability through our product portfolio, but also through reducing our own CO2 footprint by adopting science-based targeting initiative-based targets. Furthermore, we continue to be asset-light, but we will continue to invest in new developments to stay at the technology forefront. And of course, this cannot be done without an excellent workforce and thus, we will continue to grow and educate our people. From the new medium-term objectives, we now go to the outlook for 2023 on the next slide. What we see is that the transition to a carbon-free energy system that is not dependent on fossil fuels is building ever more momentum across Europe. In addition to that, the Energy transition is a priority for the European Union, reflected in stimulative policy towards 2030. Therefore, we continue to anticipate long-term positive market developments for all of our business lines, and continue to invest in our organization, production facilities and in innovations for the future. From a revenue perspective, we reconfirm our 2023 full year revenue outlook in the range of EUR 540 million to EUR 600 million. Currently, we do expect it will be more likely to end up in the lower half of the bandwidth than in the upper half. We are now at the end of the presentation, where I will hand over to the moderator for any questions. Moderator, could you please take over?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And we'll now take our first question from Ruben Devos at Kepler Cheuvreux.
Ruben Devos
analystYes. I've got a question on EV charging. I think in the press release, you mentioned that European EV charging market is still hampered by destocking in the distribution channels. And obviously, you flagged that in February and now we see the impact, which -- of course, if you compare it to what consensus was forecasting is quite a more pronounced impact than what was forecasted. How do you see maybe your performance relative to where the market is? And I believe you also talked about your ability to continue gaining market share this year. Is that still what you expect?
Michelle Lesh
executiveYes. I think when we'll compare to market, we've done some internal analysis on country-by-country, segment-by-segment. And we don't feel that we're losing share. I think what we really see is the stock levels with our resellers, primarily for the whole segment. In the public segment, that's driven by tenders. We still see tender volume. We're still winning tenders in the business segments, that's project driven. So units are ordered to support a project but the project volumes tend to be smaller than the home volume. So we really do feel that it's a -- it's just a time lag and inventory destocking challenge. And then I think over time, we will see that start to pick back up. And we see in Q1, for example, 33% increase over Q1 of last year. So as we get into the second half of the year, we do see a time lag in registrations versus infrastructure that it will start to come back in the second half.
Ruben Devos
analystOkay. But basically, the idea is that EV sales, and it was said that in February that will grow 20%, right? And then if you look at EV charging infrastructure and private charging basically, the idea could be that you're still growing 15% to 20% as well this year. If you're now down 40% in Q1 and you only expect a recovery as of September. Is it then -- it's been quite hard to believe that you still would gain share this year. Is that a fair assumption?
Michelle Lesh
executiveI think -- yes, that's a fair assumption. And I think what you saw in 2022 is there was such an outperformance that in some of our markets as we've done the analysis, we actually outperformed for more than a 1-year time frame. So from a 2022, including into 2023. So yes, I think that's a fair assessment.
Ruben Devos
analystOkay. And then just on the 30-kilowatt DC charger, which you expect to launch in H2, could you maybe share the progress on how far you're advanced in this? If you think about maybe R&D but also regulatory compliance and certification, maybe your production readiness in sort of sales and marketing strategies you've put in place. So any update on sort of getting this new product life that would be very helpful.
Marco Roeleveld
executiveWe're now in the safe state to do all certification testing, where we are, say, at 90% done for, say, the product to have a technical compliance to all the different regulations. And we now more or less have run our first, let's say, what we call the 0 production number to validate that we have all part numbers in the material that we can do the test at certifying bodies. And after summer, we will start up, say, the first production, and we also in that level, are in discussion with, say, what we call them maybe not [ launching ] customers, but customers where we can start more or less validating that all elements in the product are really meeting demands of the product. So that we can step-by-step ramp-up production, but also June, I would say, commercial activities in the second half of this year.
Michelle Lesh
executiveAnd the demand was driven by our existing customer base. So from a go-to-market perspective, we'll maintain our current channel structure, and this will really help build out their portfolio. So if you think about a parking infrastructure project, for example, you can deploy both AC and the smaller DC to support a project like that.
Ruben Devos
analystOkay. And then maybe a final question. Just thinking about the cost base for this year. I think in the press release, you mentioned that you do not -- intentionally did not decrease the fixed cost base with the same speed as you may see some softness in EV charging. How is that for the rest of the year? Is that -- I mean, -- are you looking at maybe recruitment of temporary personnel, maybe a bit of a -- maybe a bit of a lesser spend in R&D and SG&A? How do you think about the cost base for the rest of this year?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveWe always try to balance the cost base as much as possible. But I think we explained earlier on in a couple of webcasts how operational leverage works within our company. And the highest operational leverage is in the indirect staffing and in the older OpEx. The same is also valid. If you have an organization, for example, in EV charging, which is capable of handling far more revenue than we are currently handling today, then also delever, which is quite strong. And I think that's what we are currently seeing. So we more or less built on an organization which is capable of handling further growth. And yes, if you've done in the quarter are hampered by, let's say, a growth which is not as you would have hoped for and as expected, then it also creates deleverage, which can then also have a significant impact on the bottom line. We saw the opposite effect in 2022 when we saw a huge leverage kicking in also contributing to the bottom line. And maybe to explain if you have an EV-charging organization, which is capable of handling, let's say, on a yearly basis EUR 80 million more revenue. And then the majority of the gross margin that you generate with that revenue trickles down to the bottom line. And then operational leverage really kicks in very fast. So that's the way to look at it. And what we decided for now is that we say, well, fundamentally, long term, all the drivers are still intact and we do you still see positive market signals in all our business lines, also in EV charging. So we are not optimizing the short-term profitability and then jeopardizing the long-term growth. So that's the balancing act that we constantly play.
Operator
operatorW., will now move on to our next question from David Kerstens at Jefferies.
David Kerstens
analystI've got three. First, maybe following up on the destocking. Do you have visibility on the channel on how much excess inventory is left and how much there's more to go? And also when you look at the [ ASP ] and EV charging, it was pretty much in line with Q4, whereas the mix shift was probably much more pronounced, does that imply that you see a negative impact on pricing in the home segment? That's my first question.
Michelle Lesh
executiveYes. So from a visibility perspective, we are in constant communication with our channels. And for the most part, they will share with us and we do have visibility, and we understand their current run rate. We don't have 100% visibility, but we certainly see a majority of it. So that is informing what's happening in the market, and they obviously want us to partner with them to help drive demand in the end market. So we work well together to help maximize the destocking and move it as quickly as possible. And then, yes, it still is a mix issue. We're not seeing any negative pricing trends. We've -- there's always a price lever you can pull. But for us, when we look at the markets we serve and how we want to stay positioned in those markets, making a price decision was not something that we wanted to do. So you don't see any pricing impact there. It's purely mix.
David Kerstens
analystBut even the ASP is in line with Q4 and you have a more pronounced impact of destocking in Q1. How can that ASP not be lower than? Why is it in line with Q4?
Marco Roeleveld
executiveMaybe we have to look into that one because I [ cannot ] reproduce your figures. Let's say we know that we have not loaded our prices in any of our product ranges. So we have been able to maintain our price levels and therefore, our gross margin. But due to, say, individual mix effects, then the average sales price that can depreciate quarter-to-quarter, but it is not so. We also watch more or less our price level in our gross margin. And then there is no fundamental change in our pricing and our gross margin.
David Kerstens
analystOkay. Understood. And then the second question, with the outlook for the current quarter -- second quarter. The mix shift that could be similar or maybe even more pronounced than in the first quarter due to the tougher comps as Q2 last year was your best quarter of the year. Does that imply that you have more operational deleverage and likely an EBITDA margin below the 15% to 20% range? And my question is what needs to happen in the second half of the year to make 15% to 20% EBITDA margin objective achievable?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveI think there are 2 parts to that answer. The first one is that we will never give a profit outlook for the year. We've never done that, and we are not doing that. So I cannot answer the 15% to 20%. What I can say is that, of course, when there is a decrease in the EV charging revenue, and as I explained before, we built an organization which is capable of handling far more than they handled then the deleverage is also ongoing. On the other hand, it's also a fact that you need to build your organization upfront. So if you anticipate on a growth of Smart grids and if you anticipate on the growth of Energy storage, then you cannot balance that directly in the quarter. So if you think that in the second quarter, the revenue of battery goes up, then it's very convenient if you have your organization already in place before that. So that is also an effect. So what we will see is some operational leverage in other areas. But at the moment, the deleverage in EV charging is on both...
Marco Roeleveld
executiveAnother answer is also to make clear, if we would see the effect of whether it's due to pricing or market share loss that we would assume that will be, say, impact on, say, our long-term strategy than we would have indicated. So at this moment, we have no reason to doubt on our midterm objectives. But it is in a quarter of 2 quarters an impact due to, say, practical circumstances. On the other hand, we are also sure of the fact that we can maintain our midterm objectives. And it's also the reason why we try to balance it out there that we all say, on the one hand, I, say always a short-term impacts. On the other hand, we have also to put that in perspective, of the medium-term capabilities as an organization seem -- want-to-have and also will have.
David Kerstens
analystYes. That's clear. And then maybe a final question, if I may. I was wondering if you could please comment on developments in operating cash flow and free cash flow in the quarter. And also the -- as this year looks likely to be a relatively asset's CapEx intensive year with the new production capacity and the acquisition of production capacity and also the development in working capital, please?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveYes, I think David, what you've noticed is that we have a facility in place with the banks, which is separate from the RCF for both the financing of the new building and the acquisition of the new building. And so that's more or less neutral from that perspective going through the both RCF financing. So we never -- we don't give balance sheet numbers in the Q1, but that really depends also on the deleveraging, which is going on and what we will see also in the destocking, which will go on. If the destocking is gone after summer, and we are able to drive down our inventory levels within EV charging, then still, we should also be able to further optimize. But that if -- it is difficult to give you a precise element of that now because that also depends on -- to a large extent on timing and on those kind of elements. But it's not per definition that, that then you are only in a negative free cash flow this year, and that's not per definition case. That really depends on the replenishment of the inventory levels as well.
David Kerstens
analystBut you normally not give qualitative statements on operating cash flow or free cash flow in your trading update. So is it only at the half year, full year stage?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveOnly at the half-year and full-year stage.
Operator
operatorThank you. We'll now move on to our next question from Thijs at ABN AMRO ODDO BHF.
Thijs Berkelder
analystThijs Berkelder, ABN AMRO ODDO BHF. All of my questions have -- well, has not been answered. I have additional questions. Can you maybe indicate whether your inventory level end of Q1 was higher or lower than at year-end? And maybe explain a bit -- the mix in there? The second question is on Energy storage gross margin. In Q1, it was 18%, so more or less at the low end of your guidance range. Is it logical to assume this quarter will be lower than the full year because you're now in start-up mode. Batteries at this moment are very expensive with prices are on the way down again, as well as that the delivery phase of the battery projects is more towards the second half of the year and therefore, higher margins. So Energy storage gross margins, what should we assume in our models?
Michelle Lesh
executiveThijs, I'll take the first question on inventory. We do see the inventory levels coming down over time. So fundamentally, we do see things reducing over time in EV charging. And from a mix perspective, we still see similar mix as what we saw from an inventory perspective as we did previously, primarily in the home segment, but we do see it moving. That's why we feel second half of the year, it will start to come back.
Jeroen Rossen
executiveThijs. Maybe to add to what Michelle says, I think if you look at our stock, our own inventory levels at year-end, and compared to what we see now, I think they're slightly higher than at year-end last year. And without being able to give you the precise numbers, but let's say, the element of energy storage and EV charging are quite significant in that overall inventory level mechanism. So -- but it's also fair to say, and you know that, that we -- a lot of batteries upfront to make sure that we could also execute on that huge backlog that we have for 2023. So we also do expect that we are able to replenish part of that inventory in the course of the year when the projects are in execution.
Thijs Berkelder
analystBut is your EV charging inventory level -- your EV charging inventory level higher than at year-end still?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveThat is slightly higher than at year-end because -- you know that you needed to buy upfront, let's say, sometimes 1 year, 1.5 years in advance. So it takes some time before you can really drive those inventory levels down. And honestly, the decrease in the revenue, of course, doesn't help in driving that inventory level down. So that is a fact. So it's slightly higher, but we do expect it to come down again in the second half of the year.
Thijs Berkelder
analystOkay. Then the gross margin?
Marco Roeleveld
executiveGross margin of the revenue. In the first quarter, we showed it was more or less leaned to, say, stationary applications. And in the remaining part of the year based on what we already have in our portfolio in our backlog. We expect that the gross margin for the battery will balance out in the remaining part of the year towards maybe what we anticipated for the full year average.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And we will now move on to our next question from Nikita Lal at Deutsche Bank.
Nikita Lal
analystI have also two regarding the charging segment. So the first one, if you're looking at the development of the charging segment for this year and going then to the next year, do you expect that the DC charger will help you to regain the momentum back in this segment? And secondly, just as an addition to this question, you're guiding now to the lower end of your guidance for this year. Should we expect that this is primarily due to the development in charging segments?
Michelle Lesh
executiveYes. Thanks for the question. So we do expect DC to help us regain, however, that will be launched in the second half of this year. So it's really more for the longer term -- midterm, longer term, but we do expect that to help us with our existing channels. And then, yes, the mix from EV is driving that guidance towards the lower end. What you'll see is energy storage will be a larger percentage this year.
Operator
operatorAnd we'll now move on to our next question from Maarten Verbeek from The IDEA.
Maarten Verbeek
analystIt's Maarten Verbeek from The IDEA. Just a clarification. You mentioned that the gross margin is lower, purely caused by the change in revenue mix. When you say purely, does that imply or that's according to me, the definition that each of the separate divisions has recorded a higher gross margin. But again, obviously, due to mix the average is lower. Is that the way to interpret it?
Jeroen Rossen
executive[ Quickly ] interpreted is it that the gross margins per business are in accordance with our own expectations. And it's purely a blended mix effect and not a price declining effect or a decrease in gross margin effect.
Marco Roeleveld
executiveThe only thing we added to that -- in the battery storage -- we also indicated, let's say, it was, say, at this moment, a little bit below, the average due to the composition of the revenue in the first quarter, but that is not, let's say, outside of our expectations. And there's also not that we think this is our reference point to take into account for the remaining part of the year. We expect that due to the revenue mix that we can anticipate on based on our order backlog that it will balance out in the remaining part of the year, say, to more to the midpoint of the -- our own gross margin range for battery storage. And [indiscernible] what -- that when we take in account the blended rate, then it is more or less purely the impact of the different revenues and each individual product lines that makes the shift in the blended rate.
Maarten Verbeek
analystOkay. So the conclusion that the gross margin of Energy storage -- sorry, of EV charging and of -- the grid solutions that it is higher than last year, that's incorrect one?
Jeroen Rossen
executiveNo, that's not an incorrect one, but we didn't answer that because we didn't give gross margins last year. It's the first time that we provide gross margins. I think we are always trying to optimize the gross margins. What I can say is that we don't see a decline in the gross margin.
Operator
operatorAnd we'll have a follow-up question from Thijs Berkelder at ABN AMRO.
Thijs Berkelder
analystI'd like to have a bit more clarity on the number of substations produced or sold in Q1. You indicate a start-up for Liander and you indicate close -- to be close to a new financial framework agreement, which stayed in. Can you maybe give us a bit of clarity on what kind of number of substations then to expect in the following quarters? Is there a -- let's say, a recovery from a startup phase at Liander to be expected in the coming quarters? And is there maybe a special volume effect or so from Stedin to expect in the coming quarters?
Marco Roeleveld
executiveAt this moment, we are, say, step-by-step slowly ramping up the production of our substations. It's not that easy to ramp up substations compared, for example, the charging stations. So that means, let's say, the start-up volume, which is more or less was also anticipated by us in, say, the first quarter to slowly ramp up. It does not mean that we will be able to recover the numbers, say, in the second half year. But in the second half year, we will come back to, say, the numbers we already planned for, say, and also very relevant, say, for the numbers of last year and -- Also we expect, let's say, not only the second half year but towards, say, next year, we will move our production also to the new building that we will further ramp up our number of substations towards of 2024, but it doesn't mean that we can compensate more or less the start-up in the second half year. There will be a gradual increase of, say, production units week in order to meet more customer demands. On the other hand, we have also to be practical, let's say, if we had -- when we have [ sanction ] of a new model, which has a fundamental different design, also different materials than the old ones. We have to be also realistic that we need time to be able to have a proper ramp-up and also take all, say, minor elements within, say, our past lessons are to translate it to proper way of working.
Thijs Berkelder
analystYes. A follow-up question. Can you maybe also give an update on substation development in Finland, as well as what I still not fully understand how you introduced the work in substations and claimed you were certified by Belgian DSOs. Does it mean you already have a framework agreement with the Belgian DSO? Or that you're sort of waiting a final signature for such an agreement?
Marco Roeleveld
executiveWhat we used to see, say, in our, say, product portfolio -- of course, always evaluate where we see market opportunities to add, say, products to our portfolio to further expand our market position. What we did here is we see a certain demand in the Netherlands for walk-in stations, say, in some areas, especially in the Stedin area. On the other hand, we also see, especially in Belgium, the opportunity to step in that market also is with grid operators because -- to this moment, our revenue on Belgium is purely, say, micro grid oriented or end customers and not with grid operators. So we're now prepositioning ourselves also to be able to step in the market of grid operators in Belgium, but there's more a step-by-step approach. So it cannot be expected that we will double our revenues in the Belgium next year, but we are expanding our market position by having the products available and by step -- do they see prequalifications. And then that certain point also be a relevant player in the distribution in the grid operator market in Belgium. And your question related to Finland, we see there, it's a fundamentally different market situation in the Netherlands. And we're more or there at a stable position with grid operators, and we're focused there on, say, also on what we call then the energy transition market segments with, say, [indiscernible] station developers with solar developers. So therefore, we follow more or less the same approach as we do in the Netherlands. But due to, say, the market structure that is different in Finland and Sweden, then we have in Netherlands. We're saying that capability to grow that fundamentally is also different than we have capability in the Netherlands and Belgium.
Operator
operatorAnd we will now move on to our next question from Paul de Froment at Bryan Garnier & Co.
Paul de Froment
analystI have two. First, could you give us more detail on the product split in the EV charging segment over Q1? I'm referring to home charging price and CPOs. And my second question is regarding your 30-kilowatt incoming charging points. Do you think that this product will enable you to gain new customers? Or is it a request from your existing customers?
Michelle Lesh
executiveSo we don't give full details on our product breakdown and split. What you can see from an ASP perspective and you can start to see what's driving some of the mix. Our public and semi-public products tend to be on a higher price range, whereas our home charging equipment tends to be on the lower price. And then from a DC perspective, yes, we do expect to be able to sign up new customers. But right now, the current demand is driven by existing customers. We want to make sure that we can best support them. But we will, of course, be looking to expand, especially with customers that maybe didn't choose us because they wanted a full portfolio of AC and DC, now we've unlocked those opportunities. So we'll see both.
Operator
operatorThank you. There are no further questions in queue. I will now hand it back to your host, Marco Roeleveld, for closing remarks.
Marco Roeleveld
executiveOkay, Laura. I would like to thank everybody for participating in this webcast and mentioning the questions that gave us the opportunity to further explain what happened in this first quarter and also that we get the opportunity also to express again that we are confident of the midterm future of Alfen. And I would like to again -- thanks for everybody for participating and see you again.
Operator
operatorThank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. Continue to stay safe. You may now disconnect.
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