Alivus Life Sciences Limited (ALIVUS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 31, 2026

NSEI IN Health Care Pharmaceuticals earnings 42 min

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Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, and welcome to the Alivus Life Sciences Limited Q1 FY '27 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now hand the conference over to Ms. Soumi Rao, Senior General Manager of Alivus Life Sciences Limited for opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you.

Soumi Rao

executive
#2

Good morning, everyone. I welcome you all to the earnings call of Alivus Life Sciences Limited for the quarter ended June 30, 2026. From Alivus Life Sciences Limited, we have with us Dr. Yasir Rawjee, our MD and CEO; and Mr. Tushar Mistry, our CFO. Our Board has approved the results for the quarter ended June 30, 2026. We have released it to the stock exchanges and updated it on the website. Please note that the recording and transcript of this call will be available on the website of the company. Now I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that some of the information shared as part of this call, especially information with respect to our plans and strategies may contain certain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. These statements are based on current expectations, forecasts and assumptions that are subject to risks and which could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements depending upon the economic conditions, government policies and other incidental sectors. Such statements should not be regarded by recipients as a substitute of their own judgment. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Our actual results may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these forward-looking statements. With that, I invite Dr. Yasir Rawjee to say a few words. Thank you, and over to you, Dr. Rawjee.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#3

Thank you, Soumi. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 FY '27 earnings call. We are pleased to begin in the first quarter on a positive note marked by healthy revenue growth, improving profitability and continuing momentum across our markets. So we reported revenues of INR 640 crores, which is a 6.4% year-on-year growth during the quarter. Our performance this quarter was particularly encouraging as it delivered despite a significant decline in the GPL business, reflecting the growing strength of our broader portfolio and the resilience of our business model. Our non-GPL business delivered strong growth of 26.5% year-on-year, driven by successful new product launches and strong demand across all geographies. So the momentum we have built in recent quarters continues to strengthen with recently launched products continuing to gain scale across markets. So this has provided greater diversification to our revenue base and created a platform for sustainable growth going forward, giving us confidence in the sustainability of this momentum. GPL has been muted as a result of inventory rationalization. And so if you recall, Q4 was pretty strong, and we saw a dip in Q1, a decline of 52.6% year-on-year. However, the strong execution across the non-GPL portfolio helped us to offset this impact, underscoring the benefits of a broader and increasingly diversified growth engine. While growth in the GPL business is expected to remain flattish in FY '27, the business has been historically weighted towards the second half of the year and we expect a similar trend to play out this year, resulting in a stronger H2 performance. At the same time, we expect the healthy growth momentum in the non-GPL business to continue, supported by a robust product pipeline, recent launches and sustained demand across all markets. This provides us confidence in our ability to deliver growth despite the near-term weakness in the GPL business. Overall, the underlying strength of the API business remains intact. Geographically, we saw broad-based growth across all markets during the quarter, highlighting the strength of the diversified business. On the profitability front, a favorable product mix and newer launches helped improve gross margins to 60.2%, an increase in 510 basis points year-on-year. Enhanced operational efficiencies and ForEx gains also supported 650 basis points Y-o-Y improvement in EBITDA margins to 36.6%. These margins reflect the quality of our growth and disciplined execution. Our CDMO business recorded 3.8% Y-o-Y growth during the first quarter. Given the inherently lumpy nature of the CDMO business, the performance does vary from quarter-to-quarter. We've seen that before. However, we can expect the segment to gain momentum in the second half of the year, supported by contributions from newly added projects. On the CapEx front, Solapur continues to progress as planned. There's a little bit of a delay, but it's going to be operational in early Q3 of FY '27. So construction at Taloja, the R&D center has begun in earnest, and it is -- it will happen on schedule. The pipeline remains robust. With 615 -- 617 -- I'm sorry, DMF and CEP filings globally as on June 30. Our high-potent API portfolio continues to advance with 29 products in the active grid, representing a total addressable market of $82 billion. Of these 13 products have been validated, 7 are in advanced stages of development and the remaining 9 products are progressing through lab development stages. So while we remain watchful of the evolving geopolitical and demand environment, the strength of our business fundamentals gives us confidence in our growth outlook. We are guiding for revenue growth of 10% to 12% in FY '27 with growth skewed towards H2 FY '27. We also remain confident of sustaining EBITDA margins in the 30% to 32% range. So with this, I now turn the floor to our CFO, Mr. Tushar Mistry, who will walk you through our financial performance for the quarter in depth.

Tushar Mistry

executive
#4

Thank you, Dr. Yasir. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q1 FY '27 earnings call. I would like to highlight the key performance updates for the quarter ended 30th June 2026. For Q1 FY '27, revenue from operations stood at INR 640 crores, a growth of 6.4% year-on-year. Gross profit for the quarter was INR 385 crores, up 16.3% year-on-year. Gross margins for the quarter stood at 60.2,%, up 510 basis points year-on-year, driven by new launches, product mix and operational efficiency. EBITDA for the quarter was at INR 234 crores, up 29.1% year-on-year. EBITDA margin for the quarter was at 36.6%, up 650 basis points year-on-year. PAT for the quarter stood at INR 160 crores with PAT margins at 25%. Turning to the therapeutic mix. CVS and CNS continued to anchor growth during the quarter, together contributing 58% to the top line. Overall, chronic therapies accounted for 74% of top line in Q1 FY '27. R&D expenditure for Q1 FY '27 was INR 24 crores, which was 3.7% of our sales. On the balance sheet and cash flow moment, our CapEx for the quarter stood INR 85 crores. We expect to incur a CapEx of approximately INR 540 crores in FY '27. We generated a strong free cash flow of INR 90 crores, leading to cash and cash equivalents including short-term investments of INR 880 crores as of 30th June 2026. We continue to remain a debt-free company. Overall, we believe the business is well positioned to deliver steady growth over the coming quarters while maintaining strong profitability supported by improving demand trends and continued operational discipline. With that, let us open the floor for Q&A.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions]. We take the first question from the line of Ahmed from Unifi Capital.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#6

Dr. Rawjee, congratulations on the great set of numbers, especially for the non-GPL business. My first question is to understand the gross margins a little better. If you look at last 3 quarters, obviously, the gross margins have improved materially. You have spoken about a lot of process improvements, yield improvements and so on and so forth. If one has to try to understand the delta which has come in, how much is due to the process improvements you have made? And how much is because certain products, new launches have done well in the initial life cycle and that may sort of normalize as we move ahead? How should we look at it? And the point I'm trying to understand is whether 60% is a more sustainable gross margin? Or as things move ahead, it may normalize a little bit?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#7

So the 2 main reasons are launches and operational efficiency. Launches will not -- I mean, the margins from launches will not just drop off. I mean, the word you used is normalize, right? Because we are always ready with the second-gen process, okay? So we expect and the sort of launches have not fully fructified. There are still markets opening up for the new molecules that we recently launched. So that growth along with the margin stability will continue. And we've had a significant improvement on the operational efficiency side, which also is incremental and will continue to deliver.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#8

Sure. Then in that case, if you assume gross margins should be more sustainable. Obviously, there will be a quarter or two here or there. Then the EBITDA margin guidance, which you have is then -- it implies it's fairly conservative.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#9

Yes. We can guide to a better margin, frankly. I mean, even up to 34%. The issue is this war situation, right? And what it's doing to raw material prices. So we need to be a little bit cautious. There's no point giving you a higher guidance and then not delivering. So much rather, I mean, as a company, we've been always conservative. We tell you what we can do. And if there's an upside, there's an upside. But basically, it's the war situation that has made us a little more cautious in giving a higher guidance.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#10

Sure. And secondly, I mean, on the war situation itself, how do you see -- I mean, raw material prices, have they corrected meaningfully from the peak for you as a basket? Have you been able to pass on the pricing? Has there been price hikes in your end products and that helps you mitigate part of the raw material hikes?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#11

So there has been an increase in raw material prices. It's not been very steep, okay? And we have managed to pass on a part of it to our customers. But we'll have to see how to -- I mean, manage that. I mean there's a steep increase. Obviously, customers do understand. And I mean, we've had positive feedback from customers that, yes, we know the situation and they are okay to support. But then you can't do that across the board. So we need to understand that too.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#12

Is it fair to assume in the near term, the 60% margin broadly should hold? Or it's just way to be...

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#13

Yes. Like you said, a quarter here, a quarter there, but yes, I think we can hold.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#14

Yes. On the GPL part of the business, obviously, this was steep degrowth you have alluded to full year numbers being flat. Does that confidence come from the conversations in terms of what order pipeline, what product pipeline do you want to deliver them over the next 3 quarters because there is a certain hesitance among investors, at least. That part of the business is that degrows materially, then the entire efforts on the non-GPL business is sort of offsetted. So how should one look at it as a whole for the full year? Yes, I understand Q1 was -- I mean, inventory escalation, those things happen. But full year, if you can give a little more color in what gives us confidence to achieve whatever INR 700 crores, INR 750 crores range, which we have been delivering for last 3 years in GPL business?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#15

That's exactly right. I mean what you said is that it's that they are an old customer, okay, and a very big customer and spread it out. There are more than 50 commercial products that we supply them. So there's -- Q1 is not an indicator of how the year will go. And we are pretty confident that in the sort of worst case, it will be a flattish growth.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#16

On the new launches and HP API pipeline, I mean, I'm assuming there will be gradual progress happening every quarter in terms of where we reach in terms of commercializing those for '28, '29 products we have as of now. Is there anything coming by end of this fiscal year? Or it is more tilted towards FY '28, '29 and beyond? Are there any new launches we can expect to happen in FY '27 and or so on?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#17

Yes. So the sort of -- it starts off in the end of calendar '27 with the patent expiries, but then we have a good run for the next 4 to 5 years with the pipeline on HP API, okay? So end of calendar '27, so that's more like FY '28. Of course, starts off a little earlier, okay? Because they have to buy launch quantities, customers have to prepare for launch. So we could -- something, okay? But our projections are more FY '28.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#18

Sure. That helps. And lastly...

Operator

operator
#19

Ahmed, I do apologize to interrupt you, could you please join back the queue for follow-up questions. [Operator Instructions]. We take the next question from the line of Yog Rajani from Omega Portfolio Advisors.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#20

My first question was regarding the margin improvement. So since our GPL business has come down, would it be a fair assumption that the non-GPL business is more margin accretive than the GPL business?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#21

Yes, we can say that.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#22

Okay. Great. My second question is, if you could give us some more clarity into how we are better positioned with regards to the entire global conflict. So as I understand, we are very good at solvent recovery compared to, say, a lot of our peers. So does that put us in a significant competitive advantage in the current situation?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#23

So net consumption, I mean, is favorable for us on our processes, but there's still a requirement, and we have a pretty wide product basket. So even the range of solvents that we use is much, much bigger than we typically would if we had a sort of lesser portfolio. So solvents are -- and you've seen oil prices, right, the way they are going. So solvents do have an impact. And we're trying to get better. Recently, I mean, we introduced a membrane-based technology apart from just regular distillation, okay? And that is proving to be pretty effective. So we might scale that up. But again, we might improve by about 5% to 10% there on recovery. It's not going to be like -- we can't recover everything, okay?

Operator

operator
#24

[Operator Instructions]. We take the next question from the line of Costa from Paul Asset.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#25

You previously highlighted that you're expecting to close 2 brand new CDMO contracts in early H2 FY '27. So is that still on track? Or are there any changes?

Tushar Mistry

executive
#26

It's on track.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#27

It's on track, right? So as I understand the non-GPL business is more margin accretive, right? So will the EBITDA margins blend lower as GPL revenues improve in H2 FY '27?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#28

Well, we factor that in to the...

Tushar Mistry

executive
#29

And that's the reason why we are giving slightly, I mean 32% while we are saying and Doctor mentioned, that it can go to 34%. But given the current quarter is 36.6%, if GPL comes in, it can come down to around 34% in a steady-state scenario.

Operator

operator
#30

[Operator Instructions]. We take the next question from the line of Sucrit D Patil from Eyesight Fintrade Private Limited.

Sucrit D Patil

analyst
#31

I have 2 questions. The first question to Mr. Yasir. Beyond the regular outlook, what are the top 2 to 3 execution priorities you are focusing on in the next few quarters. And alongside that, what do you see as the biggest risk in client adoption, regulatory shifts or compliance pressure? And how are you preparing to manage them while you strengthening Alivus position in the API and Life Sciences solutions? That's my first question. I'll ask my second question after this.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#32

That's a big question. You talked about compliance pressure and what else, Sucrit?

Sucrit D Patil

analyst
#33

CapEx regulatory approval or the diversification along those lines.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#34

Okay. So see, Solapur will be up and running by Diwali, okay? And we are going to trigger an inspection within a year from some major regulatory agencies, okay? So we've lined up those products, okay? So I would say that if we are able to achieve that within a year of getting Solapur up and running, then that's a big milestone that we would be -- we would have achieved because then we get a good run rate for the next 3 to 4 years for servicing the business with Solapur, okay? That's one big thing. As far as compliance pressure goes, I think we've had a pretty decent track record. Things have been going well. And because we got the FDA, we got a VAI in Ankleshwar and NAI in Dahej. A lot of agencies are actually not coming anymore, okay? So this year has been relatively light in terms of the audit scenario from major agencies. Of course, we continue to have customer audits. And those are fine. Those are happening. So I don't see any major compliance pressure issues, okay? You also asked about scaling up the business -- execution priorities, yes. So look, I mean, we've got to get the launches right, okay? So far so good. If you've seen in the last 3 quarters, launches have been contributing significantly and I explain to one question, I think, Ahmed before that the launch momentum is pretty strong, okay, because market -- because patents don't expire at the same time in all markets. And so as patents are expiring, we -- our newer products are having a significant volume growth. So we need to execute and ensure that we service across markets.

Sucrit D Patil

analyst
#35

Can I ask my second question?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#36

Yes, yes, go ahead, no.

Sucrit D Patil

analyst
#37

Yes. My second question is to Mr. Mistry. Along the similar lines of forward-looking one. From a financial point of view, what key risk or challenges do you anticipate in the coming quarters? And what specific measures are being taken to manage margins, cash flow and balance sheet strength especially in areas like raw material cost volatility, receivables or compliance? Obviously compliance you have given a guidance, but just along with that.

Tushar Mistry

executive
#38

Yes. So margins, as Doctor mentioned earlier, we are confident of delivering this margins. Doctor's guided to 32% on a conservative basis. But if the steady state affairs remain given the war like situation does not impact us significantly, we can be touching 34% margin as well. While we are seeing the raw material prices are going up. And in fact, it started from solvents and then now to PSM. So it is moving towards that. But having said that, we are actively monitoring it on -- almost on a daily basis and looking at as to what is the impact on the costs -- on our cost of production. And then taking adequate steps to get engaged with customers and see as to how we can pass on some of these to our customers. So while this exercise used to be once in a while. Now it is being done on a more regular basis so that we don't get caught on the wrong side of the margins. As far as the cash flows are concerned, cash flows are robust. The receivables, we haven't had any defaults on receivables yet. Receivables are coming timely in a timely manner. We don't see those challenges. Exchange is favoring us today because of the rupee depreciation to a great extent because we are net exporters. There will be a slight increase on the inventory side is what we are seeing as we keep on building inventory so that we are able to continue to support our customers in a timely manner and at more predictable prices. So that's why we would be covering our inventories at prices which are more suitable to us. And that is something that will continue to happen over the next few quarters. So overall, it's -- while the balance sheet is having cash, it's a good position to be in. Even in this times of uncertainty, we are well positioned to face these challenges and see through these challenges very effectively.

Operator

operator
#39

[Operator Instructions]. We take the next question from the line of Pratik Kothari from Unique BMS.

Pratik Kothari

analyst
#40

If you can bake this growth down to volume...

Operator

operator
#41

Pratik, I do apologize to interrupt you, but your audio is not clear.

Pratik Kothari

analyst
#42

I trust this is better.

Operator

operator
#43

Go ahead.

Pratik Kothari

analyst
#44

Sir, my question one, if you can bake this growth down in volume and price, either in Q1 FY '27.

Tushar Mistry

executive
#45

So the non-GPL business, you have seen a 26.5% growth. Compared to Q1 last year to Q1 this year, the exchange has given us an impact of about 7% in that. So if we look at constant currency growth is about 20%. Within that 20%, the volume growth will be about 21% to 22%. The price decline is about 1% to 2% is what we have seen.

Pratik Kothari

analyst
#46

Okay. And sir Phase 2 Solapur seems to have been pushed out by another year. Our strategic way forward what we have shown. So any thoughts, comments on why the delay? Even in FY '27, the capacities that were supposed to come I think have been delayed by a quarter or two. Just on our execution and how are we thinking out in terms of building capacity.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#47

So see, we have been pretty calibrated with respect to bringing on new capacity, okay? The key is to get Solapur Phase 1 and 1.1 on track. Once the facility is built out and we get audited by FDA or a European agency, right, then our ability to use Solapur for the reg markets improves significantly. So the thought process is that it's a greenfield. We need to have a functioning facility, which we are going to do by Q3 and then a little later, like in Q4, right? But then once it's operational, then it's how much business we can service out of Solapur. So the main thing is going to be to bring an agency in quickly for an inspection. Once you get that inspection, then we can really drive business hard from Solapur. So we don't want to hurry it up. And our experience on brownfield is that we are able to put -- because then it's only the manufacturing infrastructure, and that can come up in about 8, 9 months' time. So we don't want to hurry it up, just have a large, like Phase 2, you said. Phase 2 will get us -- if we execute Phase 2 quickly, it will get us into a situation where we'll have a lot of under-absorption. And we don't want to do that, okay? No point, right? I mean we have Dahej, Ankleshwar which are reg sites and Mohol. And we are comfortably able to manage the business now because even there is a brownfield expansion happening in Ankleshwar as well as in Dahej, okay, which should give us a lot of comfort for this year and even going into next year. But then beyond that, we need to get Solapur basically audited.

Operator

operator
#48

[Operator Instructions] We take the next question from the line of Ahmed from Unifi Capital.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#49

Question on the similar line on the CapEx front. We have pushed out the time lines a little bit over last couple of quarters. The question why I'm asking this is considering we are already operating at probably 80%, 90% utilization or higher. Then capacity constrained to grow in second half or thereafter FY '28. Can that be a challenge considering the Ankleshwar and Dahej has been pulled out? And so you can give some sense there.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#50

Ankleshwar and Dahej are on track. We didn't push out Ankleshwar and Dahej. Solapur has got a bit pushed out. Part of it was also -- there's been a slowdown with labor and a few other things. But Ankleshwar, Dahej will complete on time. And from a -- see because you know that 80-plus percent of the business is a reg market business, right? So we can't do that out of Solapur. So our priority on the CapEx has continued to be completion of the expansion of Dahej and Ankleshwar. So Dahej is getting 160KL and Ankleshwar is getting like 100-something, 110KL.

Ahmed Madha

analyst
#51

Sure. So is this capacity enough for us to grow double digits for this year, you have added 10, 12 and hopefully, '28 also double digits. So is this capacity enough to grow at double digits for '27, '28 before Solapur gets inspection and stuff?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#52

Yes, yes. I see. The thing is Solapur is not going to run empty. I mean Phase 1, in Phase 1 and 1.1, we've already mapped out enough products to come out of Solapur. Because initially, we'll be loading it with some intermediates -- large-volume intermediates for captive consumption. And we also have a big backward integration block that is coming up. So all that will keep Solapur pretty busy once it gets started. The only thing is we can only do ROW business out of Solapur to begin with. So for about a year, we'll be parking ROW business.

Operator

operator
#53

[Operator Instructions] We take the next question from the line of Yog Rajani from Omega Portfolio Advisors.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#54

So I would see constantly increased our R&D expenditure as a percentage of our revenue currently being at around 3.7%. So is there a target cap that we plan to reach because it's constantly going up. So just would like to understand what our R&D expenses in the future could look like?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#55

So we should sort of end up at a steady state of around 4%.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#56

Okay. And could you give us some more clarity in terms of the R&D spend in terms of the area that would be going to? Would it be more CDMO driven or more API driven?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#57

It's API, and that's new API because you've been seeing the pipeline has been growing pretty nicely, right? Yes. So there's significant investment in new API. And we also put a fair amount of effort on our second-generation processes -- next-generation processes in order to keep the margins comfortable, right? So that's a big part of the R&D effort. And yes, there is some CDMO element also which is a broader effort where we support the customers with analytical and regulatory support. These are more the specialty CDMO projects where they are 505(b)(2) filings and so on by the customer. So largely, though it's API. I mean we see a strong enough pipeline that we are developing and it makes a lot of sense for us to make that investment in R&D today. So that -- I mean, the future is secure.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#58

Great. So as the R&D spend has gone up, it's not affected our PAT margins. In fact, our PAT margins have gone higher. Is that a trend that we see in the future as well? Or do we see the PAT margins coming down as a result of this increased expenditure.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#59

No, no, PAT will continue to be good. I mean, there's no problem.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#60

Okay. Great. I just have one more question.

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#61

Pipeline right. I mean the whole business is driven by a pipeline. So as the pipeline is better, I mean, we continue to drive the business growth as well as the margins.

Yog Rajani

analyst
#62

Okay. That's great. I had a question about our acquisition strategy. As we have the INR 800 crores on our balance sheet, and we have been thinking about an acquisition, just wanted some more clarity on it. So in case facilities are available, just FDA-approved facilities. Is that something that we would be interested in or are we interested in acquiring companies with their own pipelines available?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#63

See, capacity is not a challenge for the growth at Alivus, okay? And if you know -- I mean, our facilities are pretty top of the line, okay? So we would not spend money on facilities, right? We have enough capacity. As far as pipeline also goes, pipeline. Pipeline is not again -- I mean, unless it's a very different pipeline that comes from a very different platform, okay, is where we will go after it. So the bigger -- but the fact of the matter is that, yes, we will be looking and we are looking actively at synergistic opportunities. And we believe that for something that adds greater value to what we already have, not only what it has, but bring greater value. So we don't want to do a 1 plus 1 is equal to 2. We'd rather have a 1 plus 1 equal to 3 or 4, okay? That's our thought process. So we want to expand laterally, okay? And we've been talking about plus, I don't know if you have heard it before from us, but we are more driven by API plus. So get more out of the existing portfolio as well as the new portfolio. And then, of course, whatever the platform technology provides, both for API as well as CDMO.

Operator

operator
#64

[Operator Instructions]. We take the next question from the line of Bhawana Israni from Ambit Asset Management.

Bhawana Israni

analyst
#65

Congratulations for the good set of results. So just wanted to check on the CDMO side. So we are seeing that the Indian CDMO companies are currently in the sweet spot gaining more traction. And so from the Alivus perspective, how many new customers we have added in the last 2, 3 quarters or the product addition from the existing customers? How has been the inquiries flow? And how we are seeing the CDMO business panning out in the next 2 to 3 years. Yes, this is...

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#66

So CDMO, we have active discussions with almost about 7 projects right now, okay? But it takes time to sort of fructify and like you said, Indian companies are in a sweet spot. We are seeing that quite nicely, especially from the U.S., okay? But our focus remains on life cycle management as well as specialty. Because again, in about 1 to 1.5 years, we can get the project going. And regulatory approvals also don't take that much time. So how it will look in the next 2 to 3 years. Again, it's going to be a better growth, because you realize that we are doing this INR 160 crores, INR 170 crores, right, which is expected to improve towards second half of this year, okay? Because the 2 new projects are kicking in pretty well, and the older projects are also coming back. So with this kind of traction, we are seeing that CDMO will grow faster than the overall business. I can't put a number on it, Bhawana, okay? I mean it all depends on the size and the number of projects that we're able to crack.

Bhawana Israni

analyst
#67

But sir, as you said, we are working on the 7 projects, but any new inquiries?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#68

One second. One second. One second, I talked about 7 new inquiries that we are working on. You asked -- okay -- the current revenue is coming out of 5 projects, okay?

Bhawana Israni

analyst
#69

Okay. And on the margin front, as the CDMO growth accelerate in the second half of FY '27 or in FY '28 as the new products commercialized. Can we expect that the margin profile of current 33% can increase from hereon also? Or it is going to be a sustainable basis 33%, 34% margin because generally CDMO is a high-margin business?

Yasir Rawjee

executive
#70

See, it does add to margins, but then the overall volume is small, plus the API business is also doing very well in terms of margin that we explained, right? Most of this margin growth that has come in the last 2 to 3 quarters has come driven by -- partly by CDMO, but the API. The new API launches have also contributed quite well. So we expect that margin improvement will come as a mix between CDMO as well as the new launches.

Operator

operator
#71

[Operator Instructions]. As there are no further questions from the participants with that, we conclude the question-and-answer session. On behalf of Alivus Life Sciences Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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