Allos S.A. (ALOS3) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 14, 2025
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Operator
operatorGood afternoon, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to the earnings call of Allos for the discussion of the results regarding the Second Quarter of 2025. We have here with us Mr. Rafael Sales, President; Vicente Avellar, Director of Operations; and Ms. Daniella Guanabara, Financial Director and Investor Relations. We inform you that this event is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] This event is being transmitted simultaneously via webcast, you can access it on the [ allos.comir ], where you get the presentation. The replay of this event will be available for 1 week. So we would like to tell you that any questions are going to be asked through the Zoom app. And on the webcast, you have to submit the question directly through the ir -- ri@allos.com. But before proceeding, we would like to clarify that any statements that are done in this earnings call regarding the business perspective of the company, projections and operational goals are based on beliefs of the company as well as based on information that is currently available. Forward-looking statements are not a guarantee of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and premises, and they regard to future events. So they depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors have to understand that the general economic conditions, industry conditions and operational factors might affect the future performance of the company. And might translate into results that are different from the forward-looking statements. Now I would like to give the floor to Mr. Rafael Sales. He will start the presentation. Mr. Rafael, the floor is yours.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveGood afternoon, everyone. Thank you very much for the interest in the Allos. We are concluding another quarter that we had sustained results by sales we accelerated the growth of revenue, and we had gains of efficiency and cost and expenses. We had nominal drops, contextualizing the gains in scale. Now let's start the presentation, and I would like to comment that we are very satisfied with the evolution of our app, the benefit app and the second quarter we have over 25 malls and the engagement is 25% of the tenants that give awards and our apps, we provide benefits in new malls. This is a very expressive number for our base. Once we reduce the implementation costs of this tool, which is very important for our engagement, engagement of the consumers. This landmark demonstrates the maturity of our system. We have 34 malls and benefits. We're going to give you more details on the next quarters details on the participation of consumers and other important data. So you can measure the importance of this tool. Also, I'd like to highlight the signature of helloo and Aena for the commercialization of media. The 7 airports of the country in 10 years, the operation started in June in 5 airports. And on the other airports, the implementation will be gradual as the contracts are going to be finished. Now let's go to -- I wanted to discuss about the operational highlights. This second quarter, the sales on our malls are -- we have the advance of 5%. We have the same-store sales that grew 7% and the difference of growth in sales in same-store sales continue to make -- to show that we have a great work with the tenants that have better sales than the previous quarters. We deliver better experiences, more charming experiences for our clients of our malls. This has translated into better results. As you can see in this in the same-store rent that was 7.7%. Now in the second quarter, a growth that is very expressive above inflation. Regional highlights the growth is from the Southeast and the North, the 10.7%, 3.3%. Another important indicator is the sales per square meter, and we like to compare in the pre-pandemic in 2019 that shows that we had a CAGR of 8%, a total growth of 60% in the sales per square meter. We also have a good performance that the malls are kept busy, and we're bringing news, important news, new products, new experiences for our customers. We have used our database. We identified the trends and our resources of technology so we can do adequate pricing and we can be more agile in the signature of the contracts. 188 new contracts signed in these quarters important restaurants that we are going to show you, [ project 1 ] for example, we have a good invoicing traditional Portuguese restaurant for Niteroi and so on, with new operations in the shopping mall of the company. Dani will present you the indicators, the operational indicators. Slide 3, we talk about the financial results. The net revenue has gotten to BRL 655 million (sic) [ BRL 656.4 million ], growing 8.8% (sic) [ 8.4% ] With highlights for the growth of rent, 16% and indicators of same-store rent and 7.7%, a real growth on the base of salaries. The result of the parking is 2 digits in this quarter, 13% and 21%, respectively. This is sustained by the growth of media that had a jump of 34% in the period, reinforcing that -- but we don't have anything of the airports. So the second quarter, we don't have those results. In the NOI, we had a growth of 8.5%, BRL 580 million (sic) [ 579.8 million ] with 10.7%. We have important gains with the cost reductions, nominal plus BRL 800 million and of expenses, which is the nominal drop in the quarter. So we have a margin of NOI of 93.3% and a margin EBITDA of 72%. The FFO BRL 305 million in the quarter, the growth in regards to the previous quarter which is a great step once the Selic rate went from 10.5% to 15% and the FFO by action, we had an improvement of profitability has grown 9%. So this is important not only for the growth of the results but by the reduction of the base of shares with the repurchase. And before we give the floor to Dani, I wanted to conclude that regardless of the scenario, the company continues to generate a lot of sustainable growth, and we're going to keep the strategy of returning capital to the shareholder once it's possible we can balance what we have in our business and what we need to return with the demand and the cost of money in Brazil, it's natural that we have higher pays for our shareholders since we generated cash. This quarter, we returned BRL 450 million amongst dividends and interest of our capital, repurchase of shares. If we compare this with the FFO, we are returning 80% of the FFO in the first 6 months of the year. Even with the strategy of the return to the capital of the shareholders, we are continuing to invest in our business and just 1.7x of EBITDA, which has a high level of leverage, challenging scenario as the one that we are going through. And the macroeconomic scenario. So Dani, I'll give you the floor, and then we'll come back for the Q&A. Thank you.
Daniella Guanabara
executiveThank you, Rafael. Have a wonderful afternoon, everyone. The next slide, we observed that in the second quarter of '25, we activated 188 contracts in the shopping malls of the of the company. 77 just in June, with a highlight for 1 Adidas in Shopping Parque Belem, Pobre Juan restaurant, 1 Vans in Catuai Maringa and 2 Natura stores, 1 in the shopping [indiscernible] and another 1 in Shopping [indiscernible] . We would like to highlight that the recent launches and a COACH in Manauara shopping new line of team in Bahia and the Shopping De La Caxias and new stores. Occupancy rate at the end of the second quarter was 96.4%, an increase of 11 bps in regard to the same period of the previous year. Slide 5, we have the occupancy cost at closing 10.2% in the second quarter of the year, 20 bps below what was reported last year because of the good performance of sales in the shopping malls of the quarter. The delinquency was 1.9% net, a drop of 60 bps in regards to the first quarter of '25 also pushed by the strong performance in sales that impacts directly the financial health of the tenants. Slide 6, we realize that the second quarter of '25, our average rate of debt was equivalent to CDI plus 0.75%. This level of cost is a reflection of the actions and liability management that we've done over the last quarters. On the profile of our debt, we closed this period with 98.2% indexed to the CDI and 1.8% prefixed. Our leverage continues to be low 1.7x net debt over EBITDA. The next slide. In this quarter, we have the continuity to several case studies that show the strength of our portfolio. This time, we talked about our shopping malls in the center, East and Southern regions. Allos has a market share of sales, 23% in the center in the Midwest and 13% South. If you look at the growth of our shopping malls and in regions, our CAGR in the Midwest is 15.6% and the CAGR in the South, 8.7% between 2019 and 2024. Continuing to the next slide. We talk about our media business, which is one of the highlights of growth of the company. The media line delivered a revenue of BRL 46 million the second quarter of '25, 31% higher than what was registered in the second quarter of '24, which is 6.4% of the gross revenue of the company and 110 bps higher than representative -- the representativeness of it in the second quarter of '24. helloo had an important expansion of the market when they signed a partnership with Neo to commercialize out-of-home media in 17 airports for the next 10 years. As commented by Rafael, the operation started in June in 5 of these airports, including Congonhas airport. The next art, we're going to continue to operate gradually as the previous contracts are going to close. With these initiatives, helloo, reaffirmed the preference for media -- digital media and wholesale improving its frontiers in connecting new brands and public in different formats and different retail environments. I apologize. Next slide, the benefits program. In the second quarter, over 25 miles received the app and the program. In May, which was the first complete month after the implementation of these enterprises overcame the projections of performance and they captured 17% of MV in a month, and 16% of the tenants are delivering benefits. Total, we have 34 malls with the Benefits Program app installed, contributing for the strengthening of the ecosystem Allos. Then in the presentation we bring you a few highlights, recent highlights of our sustainability journey. In June of 5, our first Allos Sustainable Day, a meeting with investors and specialists in sustainability. It occurred in Parque Dom Pedro Campinas to deliver advances in initiatives and the next challenge is related to the agenda of sustainability of the company until 2030. Besides that, Allos was recognized with 10 cases -- winning cases in Abrasce 2025 awards. And the -- we have Paseo de Aguas Creo Shopping, Rio de Janeiro Shopping and Shopping Leblon earning awards. In 2024, Shopping Leblon strengthened its commitment to the social transformation when we invested on with private partnerships in the municipal school [indiscernible]. The school -- Public school received the school reinforcement mentorship for educators art and cultural expositions. The creation of the students were exposed in the shopping mall reinforcing the connection of the community and the enterprise. Thank you for your interest in Allos and now let's start the Q&A session. Thank you.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question, Herman Lee, Bradesco BBI.
Herman J. Lee
analystTwo questions on our side. First, about sales. Same-store sales accelerated to 7.4% in the quarter. I wanted to understand more how do you see the sustainability of this in the next quarters? Can you give us more color in that sense? How is the consumption environment in the second quarter would be nice. Second question about the sites which seem promising. So I wanted to understand if there is metrics for impact for the tenants, maybe monetizing of the app and what is the rollout for the rest of the company.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you for your question. About the monetization, we -- it's still very new. Really, the adherence is very positive and seems very good, we can't say that it was because of this tool that we had better sales. Where the investments on the tenant will have the best choices with us and with the shopping mall. We are more equipped to operate. And then on the long term, we're going to have benefits for this tool, both in revenue of the company and better sales for the tenant as it was helloo in the past, and we have the benefits for the reality, engagement with the tenant. Now in terms of sales, the July month was an acceleration in regards to the previous quarter, mainly on the lines that are along cinema, entertainment, and because of the movies that are in this period, and we had last year a big success with a few movies, a few launches, this July month is weaker. But other segments are growing a lot in a fashion, and the operations of store is not so strong but it's positive -- and we -- for the indication, we have the growth of sales. So certainly, the month of June is with the comparison base that is more difficult between cinema and last year, in August, we see the main results.
Operator
operatorNext question, Ana Julia Zerkowski.
Ana Zerkowski
analystWell, we have 2 questions. First, in regards to the IGPM. Well, thinking about this trajectory that is weaker, if you can share with us how is the company's mind in regards to the growth of rent? And can that move anything maybe with a change of guidance that sort of thing. And another question in regards to the guidance, we would like to understand if you keep the guidance of 2025? Or is there any changes thinking EBITDA, CapEx, dividends for this year?
Daniella Guanabara
executiveThis is Dani. In the first part, where we say IGPM there is still the positive carryover of IGP because every rent goes through the last 12 months. So we sell the positive carryover of GP for the second quarter. And in regards to the guidance, we're not going to modify any of the guidance for dividends, EBITDA or even the multiuse projects, multi-use we increased.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveI would add, Dani, we saw what we expected in the second quarter, which confirms our expectation of the guidance.
Operator
operatorNext question is from Kennedy from Citibank.
Unknown Analyst
analystI have 2 on our side. I want to understand, first, in regards to the guidance of CapEx, which is BRL 450 million on the dynamics, the band is a bit lower on the guidance and because the adjustments structural -- the shopping malls, they don't happen in the fourth quarter, can we expect on the lower band, the expectation of the company. And if yes, where are you getting this economy? Is it positive? We've seen this dynamic? Second question in the contracts of helloo with the airports, just to make it clear, is there a ramp-up of maturation in regards to this revenue because the size of the contract, BRL 70 million per year, we have the full in the third quarter. Is there anything that we should be expecting?
Daniella Guanabara
executiveThis is Dani. Thank you for your question. In regards to the guidance of the CapEx, you are right. We are aiming for the bottom of the guidance for this year. There is a specific point that we implemented the RP in the second quarter was an absolute success you're going to see a reduction of CapEx because of that. And the intensity of the CapEx for the next year is lower. So there is a trend of being at the bottom this year. And for next year, we're not going to have this for the RP in the CapEx. And now for the second quarter of the helloo -- about helloo, we have a maturation of this invoicing with July because we have important airports such as [indiscernible] that does come in next year, and this contract will reach maturity but from next year until the end 10 years. So we're going to continue to see the invoicing from July, and that should be growing throughout the next months.
Unknown Analyst
analystCongratulations on the results.
Operator
operatorNext question is from Ruan Argenton from XP.
Ruan Argenton
analystCongratulations on your results. Two questions on your side, on the occupancy, we see an effect of growth above the same-store sales above this quarter, we observed that the occupancy cost they dilute if we compare year-on-year. I imagine that the biggest effect here is -- the new mix that you're getting for the better sales, it helps with this effect. So we realize that when we you look at condominium, we see a diluted level. So I wanted to understand how you see the occupancy cost for the future. We are doing a catch-up of growth, capturing effectively these higher harvest of lease and spreads. So I want to know how do you see the occupancy -- do you think that we can keep this level? And the second question is about the operational and PDD. We see that the operational expenses are dropping. We see -- we want to understand the motivation of what we see up ahead. And when we see delinquency is the provision level is stable and the curve might be normalized, implicit with the level of provision that should be more stabilized.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveThis is Rafa. Well, in fact, your conclusion is correct. The cost of the same-store rent or the growth of the same-store rent about the same-store sales, is what we expect to continue, but not opening too much because of the capture of IGPM, but also because the positive spread and the step-up of the contracts that are going to go for 12 months. So it's natural that it occurs, and this is the objective improving profitability. And the occupancy cost dropping is because of new contracts, new results -- and we indicated and concluded that this is correct and these harvest of new contracts, they're going to do a ramp-up -- and they're going to grow according to the contracts with these step-ups that we predict with the good results. And we expect that the occupancy cost is better. The operational cost that we had are sustainable, and an important part of our strategy to gain synergies in regards to cost, but I'm going to give the floor to Dani, and she can give you more details.
Daniella Guanabara
executiveThis is Dani. So speaking of the drop in operational cost, the effect in the quarter is the reduction of costs with the low occupancy. We have occupancy above 90%. So we expect that we continue in the second semester. And we have a more normalized level and it depends on the behavior of the delinquency. And we have to say that delinquency is a behavior that is very good in July. We have a good recovery level. So it's beneficial for the delinquency indicator in the future and complementing on the cost. We've tried to find a series of efficiencies of the condominiums and this impacts the open stores but even examples as the 1 that we have with the satellite of stores that are anchors that we can continue with this benefits the tenants and this allows for a reduction in the occupancy cost of these stores. This is a strategy that we've exemplified and this has helped with the -- we understand that this is a positive situation for us.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Mario Simplicio from Morgan Stanley.
Mario Sergio Simplicio
analystSo my question is in regards to the performance that you're seeing in the second quarter. You see the performance in July -- so want to see the performance of the different regions. And I want to understand if you can see the interest of the -- the increase of the interest rates in a specific region. So the specific question is, helloo you have media with the long-term revenue on the long term. Do you see the contracts where the airports, can that be extended and be a more relevant part of the revenue?
Rafael Guimarães
executiveMario, thank you very much. We have a sales performance, as you've seen, it's very spread out in the previous quarter. Is the same way with the Midwest. It's difficult to identify if we're seeing increase on the interest rates because more and more -- the sales of the shopping mall products are less dependent than credit -- of credit. So the leverage consumer is bad, but -- we've had a good performance in regards to the wholesale and the GDP has been improved, and we've captured this in a better way. And I attribute that to more updated shopping malls and having better experiences with our shopping malls and having better experiences at the shopping mall. So the shopping to shopping mall, we've had lower sales but even in these weaker regions, we end up having growth. And I believe that this trend will continue to -- and we are convinced that we are balanced. So I'm going to give the floor to Vicente the so he can talk.
Vicente Avellar
executiveSo certainly, the vertical of airports, it will help in the growth of helloo. It accelerates our plan and it will allow us to get to this threshold that we imagined certainly quicker. But we are not really thinking beyond it, we want to concentrate the energies to follow the 17 airports. It's a plan that is very ambitious -- this is a vertical that attracts announcers that are very important. These are big media investors and -- they use this vertical of airports to communicate with the clients. So we are concentrated to do the best delivery. And this is as best as we can.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Rafael Rehder from Safra.
Rafael Rehder
analystWell, I have 2 questions on my side. It's more of a capital allocation side. So we are very healthy and it's expected that you have investments on the results, and it should drop. So I'm going to try to understand your focus right now, thinking of something more extraordinary. If we start with a lower leverage, we have a revamp of the portfolio, those spaces to increase the participation in the shopping malls that perform better and understanding what would be the focus? And are you comfortable with the leverage? And the second one, well, you have 1.6% in the multi use, and you have 2 new projects. And we -- do you have anything in terms of size of operation for us.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveRafael. Thank you for the question. In terms of leverage, it's adequate. Of course, where the interest rates, it could not having any debt but for terms of tax efficiency, we have a long-term strategy with the capital allocation and our debt. The results are very well done with drops in the cost of finance. So it allowed us to get here. When the capital allocation, you see the balance that is healthy. We understand that now we are in a moment that are very prudent to -- we have to see the macroeconomic -- everything that influences all the external agencies that influence the capital management and the company that is investor as shareholders of the company, and we understand what is better for the company. So at this moment, we're going to continue with the expansion project of what we understand that can have a better performance for the transformation of shopping malls with the satellites operation and other users in the shopping mall, it's something that we're going to continue to do within this range. We have everything allows us to think that we're going to get closer to the range of the CapEx because of the improvement of what we have improved with our RP, and we are doing the projects that are careful waiting for the best moment to accelerate when it's adequate. And we're going to continue to grow with the expansion. And now we are doing the expansion that is more obvious with the clear profitability and the results and the rents are quicker. And we're going to have 3 launches here projects that started last year. This is going to generate NOI for next year. And in terms of acquisitions, we don't have a clear response due to the cost of opportunity, the transactions of high-quality assets that we would like to acquire. So it really depends on the valuation that is expected. Now what caught my attention is that for the developed markets, such as Europe and the United States, we've seen, even though we haven't had a postpandemic real growth and wholesale, we see the restart of the M&A because the valuation of the company is where we were before the pandemic. So they reflect the quality, and the business is very resilient. We see -- there was a shopping mall in Miami. We have lower because the share of Simon is at the cost of the pre-pandemic. And if you look at us with our peers, we grew more than the inflation, while in the developed market side that didn't happen, in regardless of the valuation of the company, probably we're seeing the resilience and the capacity to generate business especially from this year on. And we've grown this year and we understand that this combination of factors is the best scenario for the valuation of the companies. We continue to see the evaluations of growth. And the macroeconomic environment for interest rates is more predictable is what we generate over the next years. Besides, in terms of multi-use, we've done a few announcements that are important. Our objective is we want to have a generation of results -- operational results that is recurrent of a size that we haven't given in the guidance. And annually, we have a certain number of contribution because of this operation. So -- this comes from our operations of multiuse, which is a recurring business of ours, and this project is starting to get in with revenue and generating results. Maybe for 1 year, 1.5 years, we are going to give you the predictability of -- profitability of these projects. And there is the result.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Matheus Meloni from Santander.
Matheus de Carvalho Meloni
analystI think that on our side, 2 questions. I want to understand the loyalty program but I want to understand on the rollout of the entirety of the portfolio. What we can expect and what are the features that you're going to get into sales. The electric is what are you thinking on the -- and the second one on the -- and looking at the company and all the agenda of synergies, what do you foresee for the reduction of G&A. This is on our side.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveAs we said, the sites, this ends up being a derivative or a component of the strategy of the ecosystem. The rollout of the loyalty will allow you to talk with an amount of consumers that is higher, capturing the sales behavior and the purchase behavior of these consumers, and this will bring us opportunities. Both has attractive these consumers and to make them more engaged in the shopping mall and to take part in the promotions and have benefits which is what's happening but also will guarantee that we can activate the tenants. And talk to the consumers, create segmented promotions, and we are rolling out this along with the loyalty program, practically the entirety of the portfolio. So this allows us to do promotion gift bags the solutions of sponsorship, of course, helloo is an important arm to talk to the announcers so we can get the announcers with the consumers. So it's an important moment within the strategy, so we can see the ecosystem materializing. We like to say that being a physical ecosystem but behaving as a digital ecosystem, and we start to see this in practice from the rollout. So Matheus complementing with G&A. I think it's important, we did a fusion of the companies systems. And this integration takes some time. We are being very careful not to the disrupt our business. Now we have not only the operational working very well but also the systems very much structured. So we have seen additional gains of efficiency. Consequently, these will affect the cost of expenses. And we expect to continue with this. And now specifically from the second semester, we're going to be able to dedicate more to the -- once the operation is working and the back office is well implemented, we can implement it, we can dedicate more to see what we can include in these gains of efficiency at the same time that we focus on the revenues. So we want to guarantee that the revenue continues. The cost of capital our balance -- well, we have the increase in the interest rates and this shows the balance being very structured, and post these 2.5 years of a new culture, new work of the company, we are going to see these additional gains that we don't have a number, but we hope that this trend continues. And we will give you this number in the next quarter.
Operator
operatorOur next question Igor Machado, Goldman Sachs.
Igor Machado
analystI have 2. First, in the M&A scenario, you commented on the acquisitions. What do you think about the improvement, but how are the talks in regards to the assets that you want to invest? Is there a change in scenario on the terms of the proposal, that really helps. And the second one, in regards to the CapEx -- in regards to the expansion, I wanted to understand, Rafa, well, you continue to do the expansions and you're doing the ones that have the best return on investment. So anything that you can give us on how you can measure the return that would help us.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveThank you, Igor, for the questions. Well, M&A, it really depends on several factors, depends on the price, which is the main one from the moment that we are living -- it depends on the upside, the price of entry is better if we have a standard and the potential of growth and gain operational gains that is evaluated. But today, as you can imagine, it's a careful scenario, once we do not have the cost of money that is so good for the big investment. Now in this investment, we continue evaluating opportunities. But now we talked in the previous questions, we have a very good organized balance sheet with good leverage. And a perspective of the interest rates dropping. So it wouldn't make sense to run to this investment. Of course, we are always going to evaluate more creative alternatives to do transactions that will lead us to a more robust portfolio. But as I told you at a moment that is more careful in the side of these investments. We're trying to find solutions, there is a lot of liquidity here selling assets outside of the correct value is not what we want, considering that we have a portfolio that is very well structured with a balance sheet, no need of urgent needs of capital. And we are distributing the capital to the shareholders. So it seems reasonable if we have the opportunity to create opportunities. So expansion, we have 18% in the first years, we are slower because it's a new scenario of the shopping malls and we give special conditions in the contracts so that the new tenant will get with a new area of the shopping mall, with a motivation to invest in the store, and we are capturing the profitability of these contracts throughout the year. So this is a level of profitability -- and obviously, with the scenario of lower interest rates, this initially would be excellent. So we have less projects in the pipeline.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Jonathan Koutras of JPMorgan.
Jonathan Koutras
analystI have a few questions. Well, another quarter that is -- the more space that you see in this line are going to accelerate in the next quarters? And the second one, for Dani. Do you -- are you going to keep the shares for strategic -- for the strategy and that's considering the previous question.
Daniella Guanabara
executiveJonathan, this is Dani. So talking about the parting line, we've done a movement of prices that is robust, the space now is a bit more limited, looking at the sensitivity of the flow. So we're going to have an opportunity that is more pinpoint. And the big part of this movement is already done. So treasury, we have a volume of actions. But since we already discussed, these shares are going to be canceled. So for the effect of dividend distribution and calculation of multiples, it is as if these shares are already canceled. So as possible, we are going to cancel and we are getting ready in that sense.
Operator
operatorSince we don't have any more questions, now we are closing the Q&A. I'd like to give the floor to Rafael Sales for the closing of the session.
Rafael Guimarães
executiveWell, I'd like to thank everyone for the questions. Our IR team are available for answering additional questions. And I hope to see you again in the call in the next quarter. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThank you. The earnings call of the second quarter of 2025 of Allos is closed. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]
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