Alma Media Oyj (ALMA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 11, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveHello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to joint analyst and investor conference of Sanoma and Alma Media about today's Sanoma's acquisition of Alma Media's regional news media business. Today, we will first start the presentation with Sanoma's story. The presenter is our CEO, Susan Duinhoven; and then take questions to Sanoma. After that, we will hand over to Kai Telanne, CEO of Alma Media. And after Kai's presentation, we will take questions to Alma Media. [Operator Instructions] And this event will be recorded, and the recording will be available on both company's websites after the event. With this, I would now like to invite Susan Duinhoven to start the presentation, please.
Susan Duinhoven
executiveThank you very much, Kaisa. Just this morning, we had good news, the acquisition of Alma Media's regional news business and also indicated that we will evaluate the strategic options of the online classifieds business in Finland. But let me start with the acquisition. Sanoma has signed an agreement to acquire Alma Media's regional news business in Finland with a net sales of EUR 94 million and an EBITDA of EUR 20 million in 2019. And that is pro forma figures that are corrected for the outsourcing agreement that was closed in June this year and will have already full impact in 2020. This is a highly synergistic bolt-on acquisition for Sanoma, with an estimated net synergies of around EUR 13 million, and that will be coming into play from 2022 onwards. The agreed enterprise value is EUR 115 million, and that represents then a multiple of 5.8 on the pro forma EBITDA and 3.5 when we also include the synergies. The key driver of this acquisition is growing the digital subscriber base in the Finnish market. And for the digital subscriber base, scale is quite important. The efficiency in the shared operations will create the synergies and will then also create a better return on the digital investments going forward. And those are typically significant in both acquiring the subscriber base but also the digital content. This acquisition then also supports Sanoma Media Finland's long-term profitability target that we communicated in December. And if you remember, we target 12% to 14% operational EBIT margin, excluding PPA. It is a clear acquisition in one of the core focus areas of Media Finland's business, the news & feature. And as a whole, we see this acquisition supporting the sustainable future for independent domestic journalism in Finland. And I think for that, it is also important to realize that -- how we will continue the operation going forward. And that is we see this as a portfolio of 15 titles that will be integrated into the portfolio of news & feature which -- with a number of titles, but each of them will stay completely independent. So each will have their own independent editor-in-chiefs and will continue catering for their local audiences independently. And so if we look into it then, Alma Media Kustannus and, as I said, 2 leading regional newspapers with long histories and 13 smaller papers around the Tampere area and the western and central part of Finland. And also included in this acquisition is Alma Manu, the top-notch printing facility in Tampere that is currently supporting these titles and also the remaining titles that will remain with Alma Media and that will continue going forward. As I said, the acquired business will then be integrated in news & feature. The news & feature unit within Sanoma Media Finland has started on the 1st of October and contains the titles of Helsingin Sanomat, Ilta-Sanomat and 7 magazine titles. If we then look in a bit more detail into Alma Media's regional news business, we see a sales of EUR 94 million, as I indicated, and an EBITDA of EUR 20 million in 2019, as I said, corrected for the outsourcing agreement that has come into effect on the 1st of January. The subscriptions account for roughly 60% of that revenue; the advertising sales, about 40%. And you see that the advertising sales in Alma Media regional business has been quite stable, and that is typical for regional advertising that is more stable and less prone to go online, less alternatives for those advertisers mix that they are more loyal to the regional print business. The total of acquired titles have 190,000 subscribers by the end of 2019, very strong positions in each of their regions, with an overall reach of around 90%. 14% of those subscriptions are already digital only, and that grew very significantly in 2019 by 60%. And if we compare that then to Helsingin Sanomat that has also seen good growth in the last year, with close to 400,000 subscribers and a digital-only share of total subscriptions of 27%. As I already indicated, Alma Manu will be part of this deal, state-of-the-art printing facility, one of the most recent ones in Finland and even in the Nordics, leased with a book value of EUR 41 million. The total business contains around 365 FTE, and those will come, of course, with the business to Sanoma. The shared administrative functions that are at Alma Media, they will stay at Alma Media and not come with. I already made the comparison with the digital development of Helsingin Sanomat, and it's important to realize that this digital transformation is really the core aim of this acquisition. It is that growth in digital subscriber base that we are looking for and that we have learned recently how to make that into a success and how to grow that. And I think Aamulehti is showing exactly the same trend with that 60% increase. So those -- that is the driver. And when I just repeat briefly what we shared with you in December. When you look at the Helsingin Sanomat, the total subscriber base has grown in the last 3 years in a row, and that is largely due to digital. 2/3 of the subscriptions already include digital component. 27% is digital only, but the hybrid is, of course, a combination of digital and print. And we see that the digital experience is specifically interesting for that younger audience that is more demanding on the way they get the news. So in order to attract that younger audience over time, we will need to continue that digital growth. And that is then also the aim with the acquired titles, currently a share of 14% and strong growth. We remind ourselves of the fact that the financial returns -- by increasing the scale, the financial returns on the investments that we inevitably need to do in that digital development will be higher. And of course, there is also the payback from that because we see that every incremental digital subscriber is more profitable than the incremental print subscriber. As we have discussed before, the success in digital requires scale. And it is those investments in the digital infrastructure and architecture that benefits from a larger scale that this acquisition will then also bring. Summarized, the key rationale for the deal: increase in subscription news benefits for all the stakeholders, the readers, the advertisers, the employees and shareholders. I already touched on a number of these points, increasing efficiency. The bolt-on synergistic acquisition, EUR 13 million of estimated synergies, half of them in the shared overhead functions that we will not take over from Alma, the other half in operational efficiencies and in procurement, in technology and, to a much lesser extent, in the content; expected to be fully realized by 2022; and improving the returns on the, yes, increasing investments in digital development. Sharing the successes between the teams because we think that we're at the start of this development path. We're definitely not fully there, continuing the joint investments and the developments and the learnings out of that; and sharing the pool of international, national, feature content as well as technology and talent; and increased focus on the B2B sales. That's an area that is relatively new to Sanoma and that, of course, is Alma Media's bread and butter, I would say, that is the advertising sales that is their strength. And for our employees, extending the opportunities of a broader business, the opportunities for professional development. I repeat here one more time, and you'll -- and mention how important that is, specifically also for our internal audiences, that the news titles will be kept independently. And I think that is not only internal but also to the readers market that is essential. Editorial independent editors-in-chief will continue to determine what is published in their titles. The engaging, high-quality regional and national journalism will be, therefore, secured for the readers in the future. It will give our teams the ability to fully focus, with all their attention, fully focus on the independent high-quality journalism and for the generations to come. So we think this is a true support for that sustainable future of independent domestic journalism in Finland. And it is -- of course, in the Finnish market, it's a big thing. There's a lot of discussion around it. If we take the step back and look at the international markets, then you see -- and we have indicated here the market shares of the 2 largest players in each of the market. You see that many of the Western European countries are already much more consolidated, much more than Finland is. And we have seen recent deals, for example, in Sweden but also in the Netherlands and Belgium. This is very much the type of deal that has happened before. And I think for those who sometimes worry that this might reduce the diversity of the media landscape in Finland, I'll just remind everyone there that there are 160 titles. And then I'm only counting the titles that have a consumer-paid element to it, so not the freesheets, 160 titles in Finland. And that number does not reduce due to this acquisition. This will -- each of the titles will stay independently. So all in all, we think that the diversity is very much guaranteed. And coming back to the deal itself. We think that the valuation of EUR 115 million, including the EUR 42 million of debt, is an attractive valuation for this highly synergetic bolt-on acquisition. As indicated, EUR 5 million is attributed, on top of the pro forma, to the delivery outsourcing agreement that was previously signed and has gone into effect on the 1st of January. And then on top of it, we will have EUR 13 million of net synergies. And that will impact the financial results from 2022 onwards. As I indicated, half of it coming from not taking over the overhead, the support functions out of Alma, so being able to leverage Sanoma's overhead and on a group level and on a Media Finland level. And the other half comes from sharing operational efficiencies, procurement and specifically the technological infrastructure. So all in all, funding will be financed from the existing debt facilities. And there will be transaction costs and one-off integration costs that will amount to around EUR 6 million, will be booked as IACs in Sanoma Media Finland's 2020 results. The timing of that, of course, will depend on when the closing will eventually take place. The transaction is subject to all the normal closing conditions and most pronouncedly depending on the approval of the Finnish authorities, the FCCA. And we expect that approval to come during 2020. And after the closing, as you would expect, the business will report into the strategic business unit of Sanoma Media Finland. So with that, I would then like to touch base on the other message this morning, and that is our evaluation of the strategic options for Sanoma's online classifieds business. We've decided to evaluate the different options. As you know, the classifieds business in Finland is also still relatively fragmented. And we will see if our online classifieds, both in recruiting and in housing, with some add-on services in construction and renovation and in the electricity comparison -- how they can go forward in that strategic field. You see in the graph a nicely developing business growth also last year after several years of good growth and EUR 26 million of sales, EUR 10 million of EBITDA, 94 employees. And this evaluation is very much in line with our indicated focus on news and feature, entertainment and B2B marketing solutions in Finland. The divestment of the business is only one of the potential outcomes of this investigation. And we will let you, of course, know as soon as there are clearer views on where this investigation will lead. And with that, let me summarize. Highly synergetic acquisition aims to support the growth in digital news subscriptions in Finland. So growing our digital subscriber base is key. That's the driver of this deal. Efficiency in the operations, creating better returns on those digital investments. It supports our long-term profitability target of 12% to 14% EBIT margin, excluding PPA. It strengthens Media Finland in its core business area, news & feature. And overall, we think this will create a sustainable future for independent domestic journalism in Finland. So with that, I would like to conclude my part and take any questions that you might have on more the Sanoma part of the...
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveThank you, Susan. We now have also CFO and COO Markus Holm from Sanoma here for the Q&A session. We will first now take questions from here at Sanomatalo. Please wait for the microphone before your question. Please.
Sami Sarkamies
analystOkay. Sami Sarkamies, Nordea Markets. Are you planning other similar acquisitions in regional media in order to consolidate the landscape in Finland even further?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveI'm always surprised by the speed that we have hardly spoken the last word and we're already looking at the next steps. As you know and as you are used from us, we cannot make any statements on that.
Sami Sarkamies
analystThen I would ask on the synergy potential, EUR 13 million that you have earmarked. Can you elaborate on this just a bit further? For example, are you planning to do revisions in your existing printing facilities? Or will this somehow influence the distribution strategy you've been having in place?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes. No, there are no big elements, let's say, that constitute that EUR 13 million. The EUR 13 million really comes from the overheads. That's sort of half. So the overheads that we will leverage that we already have in place given the fact that we're very much in a similar business. We can reuse a lot of both technology and platforms. And the other part comes from the larger scale creating the efficiencies in the business. And I think very specifically to say that the 3 printing plants are full at night. So 3 printing plants is also what is needed for this portfolio. So no changes there. The distribution part, we are very much used to the type of distribution that is currently moved into by Alma Media. So we'll be having a similar type of structure and supplier there. So there, also no change to be expected. And I think most importantly, on the content side, we will see some sharing of contents most likely, just as there is now within Alma Media and now within Sanoma. So once part of one portfolio if there is something, but that is not the driver of this deal. So that is not where the majority of the synergies are thought of.
Sami Sarkamies
analystOkay. And then moving on to online classifieds. I was a bit surprised you're announcing this review. Can you somehow try to justify why it makes sense for Sanoma shareholders to sell this part of your business? And why don't you believe in your capability to take it further yourself?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes. I think we have not come to that point yet. So we have not come to the point that it will make sense to divest it. So let's be honest. But why does the thought cross our mind? I think you see in the Finnish market a quite exceptional situation that there are 4 players in that market. And typically, in classifieds markets, if you look internationally, then you see that there are maybe 1 or 2. So the thought crosses your mind to say does that -- in a smaller market that the Finnish market is, does that make sense going forward? So that is what sparks this evaluation. And then to look at it, we will, of course, then look at the valuation perspective and at all the different aspects to decide if this makes sense, to divest or maybe even to invest.
Sami Sarkamies
analystYes. And then finally, should we assume that the destiny of your online classifieds is somehow tied to this deal? I mean are we talking about some packaged deal [ with Alma Media ]?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes -- no, no, no. I'll leave that also to Kai to reconfirm, but no, it's not, then you would have seen, of course, quite a different messaging. And it is more that with our stated focus on news and feature, entertainment and B2B marketing solutions, we are now strengthening our news & feature. And we do then also take a look at our portfolio also from a perspective of, for example, headroom for growth in learning. We do look then at the perspective and say are there additional areas where we can increase that focus even more.
Pete-Veikko Kujala
analystYes. Pete-Veikko Kujala from SEB. A few questions. First, about the digital subscription growth. Can you explain a bit more how this transaction is going to boost digital subscriptions in the businesses versus being separate entities?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes. Yes. Yes, of course, this is more a matter of learning together and seeing what works in one title, see how that can influence another title and spark those ideas. As I said, we are very much at the start of this curve. And we see that with the -- let's say, the star articles leading us through the digital table, that, that is a matter of learning which articles do the trick. We have seen, as we discussed in December, that for example, feature articles are quite effective in that. Now sharing those feature articles and making that accessible and available for all titles, like we have now done for the Sanoma titles, that would be one of those potential ideas. If that works, I don't know. We will need to find that out and learn together, but we do think that with the technology and the thought process behind both the subscription management and the content, that doing that on a larger scale with teams fully focused on it, that that will spark that, those best practices and will create that growth.
Pete-Veikko Kujala
analystYes. And then another one regarding Oikotie. Does this include Netwheels, your ownership of that business?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveIt's -- it could be part. It could be part, but it is not as stated at this moment as being part of this deal. Logically, you would then also evaluate the options how to go forward on Netwheels.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveFurther questions from Sanomatalo, please?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI would like to ask you about the acquisition and how do you think that the Finnish, the domestic news market will develop after this acquisition, also the market growth. And do you think that this acquisition will have some kind of impact on the markets?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes, I think that if you look at -- when the markets, we need to define then which market. If we look at readers markets, then we think that the digital subscription growth will definitely create and have a benefit from this, will create further growth. We're also very much aiming towards that younger audience that is more demanding, let's say, in their digital consumption to make sure that we can satisfy them. And it will be helped by these joint investments in digital architecture and digital user interface. So on the readers markets, we definitely would hope that this creates a sort of a continuation of the change that we're seeing. If we're looking at the advertising market, we think that, that is pretty much to complementary products. So I don't expect there are a lot of change. If you look at the diversity, let's say, of the Finnish journalism and the media landscape, then we very much believe that this deal will not make that much of a change because the titles will stay independent. The teams will stay reporting into their own editors-in-chief. So I don't see there a lot of change happening.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveThank you. Further questions from Sanomatalo? Please.
Petri Aho
analystPetri Aho, Inderes. About the competition authorities, will you -- you showed us the international comparison. But have you had any sort of preliminary discussions with the competition authorities?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes, we have had initial discussions. These things work with a notification that will be done, that can only be done once the publicity is -- once it's out in the open. So that will be done shortly as is the normal process. And then the authorities will take their opinion on the various markets. And we have, of course, considered this carefully. I mean it's not a new phenomenon. It is in the international markets. It is well known and many precedents. So we look at that with comfort.
Petri Aho
analystSo as you probably know well the international markets examples, can you say anything about what kind of restrictions have the competitive authorities given to these companies there?
Susan Duinhoven
executiveYes. Well, the closest, of course, I know is on the Dutch market when a similar deal happened 5, 6 years ago. I was then the CEO of the regional newspaper company that actually merged in a similar deal. And restrictions were in that situation a little bit centered around printing, but that had very specific background in the Dutch market. A further no restrictions. In Sweden, you saw this very recently being approved very fast. We don't expect it to go that fast given the fact that it's the first time of this magnitude here. So many examples, always a little bit but no significant mitigations, let's say, no significant issues.
Petri Aho
analystOkay. Then one question to CFO about the sort of cash flow generation of this new business. Can we assume that this EV/EBITDA multiple is pretty much the sort of cash flow-based multiple as well so that this deal would generate the cash flow back in 5 to 6 years?
Markus Holm
executiveYes, pretty much so, yes. [indiscernible] -- sorry. The microphone as well. So pretty much so, yes, it is quite equal to -- the EBITDA quite equal to the cash EBITDA.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveThank you. Any further questions from Sanomatalo? If not, we will hand over to the telephone line.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And there seems to be no questions on the phone, so I'm handing back to the speakers.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveOkay. Thank you. With this, we would like to conclude Sanoma's part of the presentation. And thank you, Susan. Thank you, Markus. And I would now like to hand over to Kai Telanne, CEO of Alma Media. Please.
Kai Telanne
executiveYes. Thank you very much. Thank you, Susan. It's a pleasure to be here today. This has been a long journey doing this transaction. Luckily, we are here and we're able to finalize early in the morning today the deal. I don't think it's necessary to repeat all the facts that Susan already actually gave you of this maneuver. The figures are here, EUR 115 million and so on. One thing I should add on is that the -- this is a very big deal for -- of course, for Alma Media. And we have done a lot of homework during the period of the deal making and, of course, before as we prepared our strategic. And I'm very happy that we are here and able to do this because this is a very natural development of Alma's strategic development during recent years from -- for a print business from [ 15 ] years ago until today and further to the future as a digital media company. The key figures were shown already. From our perspective, our point of view, the figures look like this. There are the unaudited last year's final full year figures. Revenue, around EUR 100 million; EBITDA, EUR 15 million; and EBIT, around EUR 10 million; and the cash flow that was already mentioned here, around EUR 13 million. This is the package that we are handing over to Sanoma and continuing without these businesses. But then to the divestment rationale from Alma's perspective. We have found a win-win situation, obviously. As Susan told you, remarkable synergies from Sanoma's perspective gained with the transaction. And then from Alma's perspective, we will concentrate more and more on digital media and service businesses in Finland, in Sweden and internationally. This is the key driver from our point of view to do this maneuver. And by doing this, we get more and more resources for investments into those areas. We are quite strong in the main areas that we are in, like in international classifieds, especially in recruitment, in Finland and East and Central Europe. That is the journey that's been really good for us, profitable for us and one of the key elements for the shareholder value as well for Alma Media. And that is the journey that we will definitely continue. We are going through the Balkan area right now, and we are looking for other areas as well. Then in Finland after this divestment, we will, of course, focus more and more on business-to-business media and services around the talent group and the segment that we have but also on Finnish classified businesses and different kind of consumer services that we have already and, of course, Iltalehti. And Iltalehti's very good coverage of Finnish population is one of the key driver for this. With this deal, we get quite a good bunch of new resources financially to do further investments. As you know, we have quite a healthy balance sheet already. As I've told you before, we have had around EUR 200 million purchasing power for new acquisitions, and this will add on nicely, maybe 1/3, for that to do even more. And of course, we will -- we are more than eager to use that purchasing power for future investments. And then lastly, I'm really happy that we found a responsible buyer, a buyer that knows how to develop this kind of journalistic media and like shoulders enough to guarantee the life cycle of these businesses and to guarantee the good development of the personnel that we have had there and have there in place. As you all know, that's one of the key origins of Alma Media. As the heritage, it's not an easy task for me to sell this part of the business, but I'm really happy that we found this solution because from my point of view, the best time to sell this kind of business is, of course, when the business is healthy. And I can tell you that the Alma Media regional business is perhaps one of the most profitable, the -- one of the best-quality regional business in Europe at the moment. And when you sell a healthy business, it's, of course, win-win situation and the best situation for the buyer because we got a good price. That's good for the -- or for the seller. And for the buyer, of course, you get a healthy business, especially for the personnel because you don't immediately have any specific needs to get rid of the people, but you want to take in the people, the quality people and the very good people that we have there. So this is very good and much, so to say, for -- of these 2 companies. Very good. After this divestment, of course, the portfolio will remarkably change, of Alma Media's. But on digital side, this is not the big change for us because our reach in Finland remains on a very good level. Our reach of the Finnish population decreases only 3% on national level, which means that we have a good ability and capabilities to serve Finnish advertisers and Finnish consumers as well. Of course, in Satakunta and Pirkanmaa region, where we have been very strong with regional media, our coverage and reach decreases. So there, we are not that strong. But on national level, the situation is still very good. And on that, we will build the new consumer future as well. We have strong brands, heritage brands that we will nurture also in the future, on the business side on the right side of the slide, you can see; and then on the left side, on consumer side. And of course, all the classifieds that we are -- the market-leading classifieds are those that we are going to invest more and more in the future. So the problem for us has been that we've been developing as one company the regional media. We have used all the corporate resources to develop the businesses, to get all and gain all the synergies. As you know, we've been quite successful with that. But then we found that almost all that we can do to enhance the regional business has been already done. So our resources are more or less there. As you noticed that, remember, we did a very good move with the delivery business last year and then we thought that this is more or less what we can do. We have shared the journalism, we have shared all the services that we can and the technology and so on. So there comes the limit of the volume from our perspective. And now it's Sanoma's time to get more leverage, more volume to support the regional business. From our point of view and from shareholders' point of view, this is quite an interesting move because, of course, the margin profile improves and the digital profile improves and the international profile of the company improves and changes with this maneuver. Our share of digital revenue jumps from 51% to 67%; share of international revenue, 26 -- from 26% to 36%; and EBIT margin from 18% to 20% immediately. We used to have around 1/4 of the revenues from international businesses before or today, and that will change. Half of our profitability, as you know, comes from international operations. Now more than half of that comes from there. So this is a big -- a very big change for Alma Media. So we are heading to grow with more and faster-growing businesses and to more profitable businesses, as noticed. Okay. To summarize. We are expanding our offering from a media to more and more media-related digital services. And we aim to serve both consumers and customers also in the future. We try to develop the company so that we will be the #1 digital company in Europe. Of course, it takes time to reach the position on profitability measures that is reachable in near future. But there's a lot of work, of course, to do, but we are committed to do this. And we have a good financial position and good support from the Board and the owners to reach that kind of goal that we have put on the table. Thank you very much. We don't give any guidance at this stage for the 2020. Of course, this will change the guidance, but we will have our result presentation and on Friday. I hope you have time all to come there. And there, we will be discussing more about these issues. Thank you very much. This was a quick summary of our rationale. If you have any questions, I'm more than happy to answer those. [indiscernible]. Okay, Sami.
Sami Sarkamies
analyst[ I'm Sami Sarkamies, Nordea Markets. I've got a couple of questions ]. What are you planning to do with the proceeds from these divestments? Is there potential for extra dividends? Or will you reallocate all the capital back to business?
Kai Telanne
executiveIs this microphone on?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYou can use the [indiscernible]...
Kai Telanne
executiveI can use this. Okay, very good, yes. Juha Nuutinen, our CFO, is here as well. If you have tricky questions of balance sheet, for example, I will hand over these questions to him. And to Sami's question. Yes, we have flexibility now to do many things. So we have not decided what to do with the money that we get. So we have rule for investments and for repayments of the capital, of course. And you will hear more about this later, I guess, yes.
Sami Sarkamies
analystThen do you currently have a more material acquisition target in sight? You've been looking for one for a couple of years now, but could that be sort of explaining timing of this transaction?
Kai Telanne
executiveNot really. Not really. We have always several targets or cases on the table. And I guarantee that you will be the one -- the first ones who will hear about this when something happens. But yes, of course, with this kind of strategic change, we are more eager than before, maybe, for acquisitions on more scoped arena, yes.
Sami Sarkamies
analystOkay. And then if we think about your M&A pipeline, is it more likely that something will happen outside Finland or in Finland?
Kai Telanne
executiveWe are targeting both. So we are -- after this, we have a balanced portfolio. So we will, of course, invest in all these areas.
Sami Sarkamies
analystAnd then finally, would you be interested in Oikotie properties if they come up for sale? And would you anticipate any issues with competition authorities on that front?
Kai Telanne
executiveThat was new information for me as well as for you that we heard today. I haven't had any thought of that, so I don't have any answer for that. So we have to think about later if their thinking ends to a conclusion to solve the business -- to sell the business, yes.
Pete-Veikko Kujala
analystYes. Pete-Veikko Kujala from SEB. Continuing on that a little bit. If we don't specify Oikotie, but you are interested in participating in the consolidation of that Finnish, like, digital classifieds business.
Kai Telanne
executiveNo. We are interested in investing in those businesses. I don't know about the consolidation, is that possible or not. But we have a good position, and it's obvious that we are eager to invest more into those businesses. If you call it consolidation or product development or whatever, that's okay. But to be honest, we haven't thought very much about consolidation [indiscernible]. And one of the key reason is that those businesses are growing. Usually to -- you -- in any business, you end up to a consolidation situation where the market stops to grow, like it started -- starts to decrease. So there's more and more need for consolidation in that kind of markets, like in the print business right now. And that's one of the reason why these kind of maneuvers happen also in Finland as it happens in Europe or all over the world in the print business. But the digital businesses are growing. So at the end of the day, yes, there might be the situation that consolidation is needed to guarantee the good development of those businesses. But is it now the situation in Finland? I don't know.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. [indiscernible]. As you mentioned that you have very strong brands still in your company. And we all know that, 4 years ago, Iltalehti became a part or [indiscernible] of Uusi Suomi paper. And do you have any plans for future as a news media company by digital? I mean that could we see a conclusion where you had Uusi Suomi as a nationwide digital news media with together Iltalehti? Could this be a one as a -- only digital?
Kai Telanne
executiveWe have Uusi Suomi as a digital national newspaper already. So there's not any need to change that. Are we going to print Uusi Suomi? Again, I doubt that. So we don't have any that kind of plans.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeBut you still are going to be part of news media...
Kai Telanne
executiveAbsolutely, yes, yes, on national news business, yes.
Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi
analystPia Rosqvist from Carnegie. We heard from Sanoma that the administrative costs will not transfer in this transaction. Can you comment upon your admin costs after the transaction?
Kai Telanne
executiveYes. As Susan told you, roughly half of the admin costs are these kind of moving costs that will move along with the business and the other half is that kind of admin costs that will stay more or less like the corporate costs that we don't allocate. Or I would -- Susan, is it okay if we transfer more of the costs for you? But you don't want to have them. So around -- like in our calculation, half and half are more or less the costs that you were talking about. And the rest will stay for us, and we will do our homework to get rid of the extra load that will stay for us as admin costs, of course.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveAny further questions from Sanomatalo? If not, we would like to hand over to the telephone lines.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And there are no questions on the phones.
Kaisa Uurasmaa
executiveOkay. Thank you. Very silent audience in the telephone line. Today, I would like to thank Kai and Juha for the presentation. And with this, we conclude the event. And thank you all for participating. And afterwards, we are, of course, available at Sanoma investor relations for your questions concerning Sanoma and at Alma investor relations, equally, questions concerning Alma. Thank you.
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