Alnylam Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (ALNY) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 8, 2026

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology conference_presentation 35 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Derek Archila

analyst
#1

All right. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our next session. My name is Derek Archila. I'm one of the senior biotech analysts here at Wells. With us today is Alnylam Pharmaceuticals. And from the company, we have John Kennedy, Head of Commercial; as well as Pushkal Garg, the Chief of R&D. So gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us and look forward to the discussion here.

John Kennedy

executive
#2

Thanks for having us.

Derek Archila

analyst
#3

Excellent. So maybe the first place to start here would be kind of the TTR revenue outlook for 2026. So John, during the quarter, we learned there were some things that maybe were not really reflected in the guidance, and you kind of gave us a little bit of a reset. So I guess the question now becomes what's the confidence level in kind of the reset guidance? And ultimately, how should we be thinking about future growth, not only for 2026, but kind of beyond.

John Kennedy

executive
#4

Yes. Thank you for that. So maybe I'll just start by characterizing the launch. What we see when we look back and then what that means going forward, we'll talk about the guidance along the way. So first and foremost, we're about 18 months into this launch for cardiomyopathy. So which was already approved for polyneuropathy, the hereditary polyneuropathy. We added cardiomyopathy in March of 25. So we're about 18 months in, and the launch has gone exceptionally well. Just a single headline. If you think about the last quarter, we passed $1 billion quarter for the TTR franchise. So this is very, very strong. Now when we look back, there are several things that we weren't really focused on to make sure that this had the fundamentals in place for sustainable growth. And they're there. Generally speaking, the first area of focus for us has been access -- best both provider access, but also payer access and the access is very, very strong. Generally, unencumbered access to Amvutra, particularly in first line with the majority of patients paying $0 and out-of-pocket cost. That has allowed us to focus on demand. And now if we look at physician experience and demand, since the launch of the cardiomyopathy indication through the end of last quarter, we had -- we've seen more than 1,700 physicians have a first experience with but -- so there's tremendous uptake, especially in a rapidly growing category where more physicians are coming in. Now what we look for is what is that experience and a great indicator of that experience is if we look at those physicians that have experience we have north of 50% share of new starts with those physicians. So in other words, trial results in a favorable experience and preference for ambitious. So that's all very, very strong and encouraging. And of course, this is a category that has grown. It's grown for the last 6, 7 years. It will continue to grow when you think that the majority of patients, unfortunately, are still untreated. So those are all the fundamentals that we're very, very confident in and give us quite a bit of runway for opportunity moving ahead. Now as it relates to the guidance, one of the things that we talked about was just the learning in terms of the contribution of the Ambac source of business. So to back up a little bit, there is a first line segment in the second line. So first line are these newly diagnosed patients, they're looking for that very first treatment choice. First line has, from the very beginning, then our strategic area of focus. We want to establish an but as a first-line choice knowing that, again, the vast majority of patients in this category are untreated, they will come in and seek that first-line treatment choice. So that's long term, that's a significant part of the opportunity, and that has gone very well. There's a second component, which is second line. What we've seen from real-world evidence data sources is that patients treated with stabilizer, unfortunately, continue to progress. There is one analysis that looked at more than 800 patients treated on a stabilizer, mostly tafamidis. And what we saw was that within about a year on average, about half of those patients experience cardiac worsening. So these patients continue to progress, and they will be looking for another treatment choice. Now we are the first and only alternate mechanism of action in cardiomyopathy. And so we're a natural option for those patients. So going back to the guidance, what we saw early on the launch is we had many of these high-volume prescribers start using AMVUTTRA, which is a good thing. And with those higher volume physicians they had more of these patients that had been treated with a stabilizer for some period of time. And as you can imagine, many of those patients were progressing. So what we saw in the first several quarters of launch is those physicians move more of those patients to AMVUTTRA in a second-line opportunity, and that was a robust part of the opportunity. So early on, it was relatively balanced where our source of business is coming from that first line and the second line. Now take a step back, if you look at the category at large, this is more of a first-line category. Now part of that is because, there hasn't been another option for a long time, but switching behavior is a relatively new behavior. That will take some time to really form and unlock. And so when we look at the category, generally, about 80% of new treatment initiations are first-line treatment initiation. It's the minority, it's about 20% that are second line. So as you can see, when we started, we have more of a balanced contribution across both lines of therapy. But with those higher volume physicians that were early adopters, they moved more of those patients to AMVUTTRA. And so what we saw is that second line inflow has normalized. So there's still robust inflow of second line starts. It's still an opportunity. but it is normalized so that it's less of a contribution in terms of the AMVUTTRA source of business. Now the good news is our volume has continued to grow. And so it just means that a greater proportion of our volume is now in first line, which strategically was the priority for us. So the guidance is to reflect this change where there's a normalized volume of second-line inflow. It is different than what we saw in the first several quarters. And that was a learning for us. And so we had to adjust the guidance to reflect that normalized flow of second line volume starts. And that's on us in terms of the guidance. But again, just the context is prior to us, there really wasn't a second-line market. And so that was the newest part of this category where we had to observe and just see how that would play out.

Derek Archila

analyst
#5

Got it. No, that's very helpful. So as we think about, again, first line is where you're seeing the majority of the new starts kind of how do you think about the split between community and centers of excellence for AMVUTTRA usage? And how much does kind of the 340B kind of incentive play a role there?

John Kennedy

executive
#6

Yes. For what we're looking at for the initiations of vitro, what we're seeing is it is still very balanced across these centers of excellence and the community. So just to step back, this is a category that is growing. It's growing very, very rapidly in terms of patient volume, in terms of Rx volume, but also in terms of physicians that are active in the category, meaning they're diagnosing and they're initiating treatment. So there's an expansion of the physician growth. About half of that growth is coming from these more community centers as opposed to the centers of excellence. So we still have a robust business in the centers of excellence. We continue to see depth of penetration. That's a good thing. But in terms of the growth, we're also seeing quite a bit come from the community. Now again, we're seeing balanced utilization of AMVUTTRA. The reason for that is because AMVUTTRA is very widely accessible. So I talked about the beginning. Axis is a functionable provider and payer. On the provider side, if a community cardiologist choose to engage and buy and bill, that's fine. That is a relatively well tried and easy experience. And by the way, we're not the only ones that are engaged in that space. Think of Leqvio in the lipid lowering category. There are more experiences that cardiologists are having, engaging in buy and bill. But if there's a physician that says, "I don't want to get involved for some reason," that's okay, too, because we've established a very, very broad network of buy-and-bill alternate sites of care, such that about 90% of patients anywhere in the United States, about 90% of patients can receive a veto within about 10 miles of their home, whether that's in the physician's office, in a site of care that's part of a large integrated network that the physician is part of or one of these clinics that is often down the street from where the patient lives.

Derek Archila

analyst
#7

Got it. So going back to kind of the first line. So I guess, where do you think you guys can peak out or what's the aspirational share in that first line? And how much of the growth is really about share gains versus stabilizers versus just overall category growth?

John Kennedy

executive
#8

Yes. Moving forward, what matters is both share and category growth, both just to be there. So what we're seeing in terms of first line is very encouraging. So again, within the first couple of quarters, in terms of share of new starts, we had surpassed one competitor that launched just before us, and we are challenging the 6 at the time, 6-year incumbent in the category for share of new patient starts. And so we saw that within the first couple of quarters of launch, and we continue to work towards that ambition today. We've got a tremendous data set, again, physician experience tends to be favorable and drive greater utilization. And then on top of it, what we haven't talked about is just the dosing experience where we are a quarterly physician administered dose, that is part of the value proposition of the product, which contributes again to the patient and the physician experience. So all of that allows us to compete aggressively for first-line choice. Let's also not forget that after cardio transform presumably, there's one less competitor that we have to contemplate in the future. And then moving forward in terms of category growth, I think it's informative for me to look back before looking forward. So looking back, we have about now 7 years of category experience. You can look at tafamidis volume as a proxy of category volume for the last several years. And what you see is for years, this was stable and robust growth in excess of about, I think, 40% volume growth year-over-year for the last several years. Looking forward, the majority of these patients continue to be untreated. So I would expect that you will continue to have robust growth in the patient inflow, especially with more voices in the market driving greater awareness, more suspicion diagnosis, and we will continue to play our part to facilitate them. We can talk about it if helpful, but we have several initiatives, partnerships with others that are focused on driving even greater diagnosis and category growth also.

Derek Archila

analyst
#9

Got it. So maybe one of the things that post ESC, post cardio transform, a lot of us are trying to work out, is there going to be an impact to AMVUTTRA usage and is there kind of a ceiling in that first line in terms of share. So I guess like how do you think about the overall value prop for AMVUTTRA relative to stabilizers and kind of point to some of the differentiating data, maybe the doctors are really pulling and being like, hey, this is why I want to prescribe it first line.

John Kennedy

executive
#10

Yes. I think first and foremost, in the aftermath of cardio transform, which is a competitor trial, One thing is true. Nothing has changed with regards to our data. So HELIOS-B is a tremendous data set. It has been part of what has driven the initial uptake in demand for AMVUTTRA, and so that continues to be true. What we saw in that was a very robust impact on cardiovascular outcomes, about 40% reduction in all-cause mortality over 4 years. And by the way, this is on top of aggressive standard of care background treatments. And so that's remarkable. In terms of what you expect to see in categories like this or in heart failure or in cardiology category is at large. That is a really, really remarkable finding. And then on top of it, to have had the impact on functional capacity with this, again, quarterly physician administered dose, which is not just a convenience thing. I'll go back to what we've seen in this category. We've seen in many categories. daily oral treatments as much as we'd like to believe patients are adherent and persistent. They're not. What we see is after about a year, about 30% of patients on a daily oral treatment stop taking their medicine by the end of the next year, another 30%. So that is -- it's a very real dynamic that we see with daily old treatment. So again, that's all part of the value proposition. Now what I've talked about is what we saw from the HEALOS B primary results. But since then, we've also had additional analyses, drawing from HELIOS-B and we have other data generation initiatives that continue in the background. Other things that we've seen is that AMVUTTRA appears to have very remarkable impact or the potential for impact on cardiac structure and function. And there are multiple ways to look at it, but we have some MRI data that has now not just been presented but published in peer-reviewed journal that showed that there is a serious signal of with the potential of showing an improvement improvement versus baseline on some parameters of the cardiac structure and function. We also know that this disease affects multiple systems, the body, and what we've seen is that not only are we having an impact on the cardiovascular manifestations, but there are some signals that suggest extra cardiac manifestation impact. So to give you an example, we have a post-hoc safety analysis that suggests that about half of patients or there was a having of the incidence of GI issues or manifestations. It all suggests that this is a very, very potent drug that is having a tremendous efficacy signal for these patients. So that matters quite a bit for share.

Derek Archila

analyst
#11

Understood. I guess we were talking about the second line, smaller part of the AMVUTTRA business. But I guess what are the kind of the push and pulls on that business in terms of stabilizer use being used earlier, so longer duration versus maybe less complacency around physicians looking for progression?

John Kennedy

executive
#12

Yes, I think there are multiple dynamics at play. For sure, as -- there are more voices in the market. There's better awareness, better understanding of the disease. We expect that diagnosis will happen more consistently and earlier, and that's a good thing. And in fact, we intend to continue to facilitate that. But unfortunately, it's not like these patients are at the very earliest stages of manifestation, unfortunately. So these patients are still recognized later than they should. There are many pieces of the data that you can look at to get a sense of how the market is behaving, but there is one analysis that was done by the National Amyloidosis Center in the U.K. that looked at cohorts of patients over time. And then generally showed that, yes, diagnosis is, in fact, happening earlier, but the majority of these patients are still Stage II, III in terms of max staging or just, I'll say, progressed in the disease. So there's still ample opportunity for us to help these patients. What we know from the HELOSB data set is the earlier you intervene with AMVUTTRA, the better. That is clear, and we continue to communicate that. For patients that have started on a stabilizer, we've seen in real-world data sets that, unfortunately, those patients do continue to progress. They will be looking for something else. And so we are the first and only product approved in cardiomyopathy that is in a different mechanism of action. And so whether it's an add-on or a switch, we are really well positioned for that. And I do think that with increased awareness, there is greater opportunity to identify those patients that could benefit from more aggressive or more intensive treatment options, whether -- again, whether that's a switch or add. So that's all helpful. In terms of duration of time on treatment, Again, the earlier you help patients, it is likely those patients will remain on treatment for longer. I think that's particularly helpful for us because we have quarterly ACP-administered dosing. So whether that benefit accrues to the stabilizers, it remains to be seen, but I would go back to what we've observed in this category and others, where again, by the end of the first year, about 30% stop taking their medicine, that repeats again. So ample opportunity.

Derek Archila

analyst
#13

Understood. So we've talked a lot about the U.S., but maybe you can kind of give us a sense of how AMVUTTRA ramp in ex U.S. And we had a little bit of lumpiness earlier this year with some pricing resets in some countries. But what should we kind of expect out of that business?

John Kennedy

executive
#14

Yes. So for outside the United States, we're launching in several countries. Our goal is to bring AMVUTTRA to as many patients as we can as fast as we can around the world. One of the things that you've heard us talk about in the earnings is that in Q1, we are expecting a reduction or a decline in the revenue, but then sequentially, that would improve over time. So just to give you a sense for the why. One of the earlier countries we had launched in was Germany, it's a relatively higher volume country. And when I say higher volume, don't forget that we had approval for AMVUTTRA in the hereditary polyneuropathy before adding cardiomyopathy. Now outside the U.S., the pricing reimbursement system is different from country to country. But generally, and in a country like Germany, we have a negotiated price for cardiomyopathy. That negotiated price for cardiomyopathy is lower than polyneuropathy. The reason for that is prevalence. Cardiomyopathy is about tenfold greater prevalence than polyneuropathy. And so what that means is the volume -- the legacy volume of polyneuropathy business has a correction as you reset the price for cardiomyopathy. And so that results in a transition where in the first quarter, you have a reduction in your revenue, but then sequentially, the volume grows past that, and there's ample volume to grow. And so that's kind of the dynamics that we saw in the first quarter. And so what we have said is, you saw that in Q1, but we expect quarter-over-quarter improvement in that ex U.S. contribution. And then in absolute terms, the revenue growth for 2026 outside the U.S. will be very similar to the absolute revenue growth we saw outside the U.S. for 2025. And -- but again, that's just a function of countries launching progressively throughout the course of the year. Many of them will have that kind of transitional adjustment at the beginning of the launch. And then because the cardiomyopathy volume is so much bigger, we'll continue to grow through that.

Derek Archila

analyst
#15

Got you. And then just a question that we get frequently is around kind of 340B and kind of the potential impact of some future legislation here. So maybe kind of talk through what you guys are thinking about and how things could be mitigated depending on that advances?

John Kennedy

executive
#16

Yes. So in terms of the proposed rule, there has been a proposed rule. It remains to be seen what happens. If it happens and in what form. We just went through a comment period. So we haven't seen the conclusion of that. What I do know is that there are many voices that likely participate in a comment period that have some strong feelings about this, particularly on the provider side with regards to reimbursement rates. So I think it remains to be seen what will play out. What I can tell you is that we have secured broad access for AMVUTTRA across sites of care. And if you look at utilization, we're seeing broad utilization across sites of care. And so we are very focused on maintaining that access, and we expect that they will demand. Again, what actually happens with this proposed rule, I think, remains to be seen. And if something like that goes through, what happens in terms of provider behavior remains to be seen, but there is quite a bit of optionality on the provider behavior side. whether they participate, whether they go outside of 340B or we have alternate sites of care. So we have a broad network, broad access and broad utilization, again, across sites of care.

Derek Archila

analyst
#17

Got you. And we were talking earlier at the breakfast in terms of like we've had a lot of new developments with kind of more clarity around tetanus generic. Obviously, car transform and all that stuff. So I guess, how do you kind of envision that both on kind of price mix and volume mix for Ambutra in the future?

John Kennedy

executive
#18

Yes. So what we're referring to is there have been a couple events in the marketplace that I think lend a little bit more certainty. So number one, we saw that the tafamidis loss of exclusivity according to Pfizer, we now expect later in 2021. And that does two things, in my opinion. Number one, it removes some of this pricing risk or pricing pressure in the midterm. And number two, it just gives us more of this time to continue to compete for first-line preference. So a net good thing. The second event is cardio transform from Ionis and AstraZeneca, which unfortunately was a failed study. Again, I think that has 2 implications. One is that likely also remove some potential for pricing pressure in that midterm -- that's a net good thing for us. And then presumably, removes a competitor from the mix. So a net good thing on share. So I think if you were to just look at where we are today in terms of what we're capturing for new patient starts, you take more certainty in the midterm in terms of the pricing dynamics in a category that continues to grow, I think there's quite a bit of reason for optimism here.

Derek Archila

analyst
#19

Yes. I mean, I guess in terms of generic defame, how much do you think that is either a headwind neutral or tailwind for the AMVUTTRA business? And kind of in light of cardiotransform, kind of the push to potentially use combo, is that still on the table? Or do you think that's kind of going to be more modest than maybe the original kind of assumptions?

John Kennedy

executive
#20

I mean 1 of the things that we've said really since launch is that until you have loss of exclusivity for tafamidis. We expected this category to be more of a monotherapy market. And generally, that's what we see. So we do see some combination treatment. There are physicians and they're also patients who are looking for the most intensive treatment regimen that they can have, just knowing that this is functional capacity at stake, not to mention obviously morbidity and mortality. And so we do see combination therapy, but the majority of this market has been monotherapy. I can put that into context for you. So at the beginning, we were talking about this first line, second line. Most combination treatment tends to be in that second line. So again, if about 80% of new starts in the category first line, then you have about 20% that are second line. Some portion of that is combo. So that gives you kind of a sense. I expect that you'll continue to see some of that. The reason for it is HELIOS-B, it's a tremendous study. And what that showed is that you had consistency of treatment effect with Amvutra with or without background tafamidis. That's in the label. It's in the data set. So there's substantiation for those physicians and/or patients that pursue that. So I think it will persist. But the real unlocking event would likely be tafamidis generic. By that point, though, we expect that we'll have ducrisiran. So another data set with another tremendous asset with the different dosing frequency that I think would make it a wonderful foundational treatment option.

Derek Archila

analyst
#21

Incredible Segue. So maybe we can talk to Triton with Pushkal here. So coming out of ESC and kind of cardio transform a lot of questions around kind of Triton and what could be done around that trial? Or what needs to potentially be done to that trial, if anything, to make sure and ensure it's successful. So maybe just talk about kind of the key learnings from kind of the more detailed data set at ESC, what else you might want to know prior to making any sort of modifications that would help the probability of success for nucrisirin?

Pushkal Garg

executive
#22

Yes. Thanks, Derek. So look, I think the ESC presentations around cardiac transform were quite informative, right? I think a number of things that we think really point, unfortunately, to why the trial didn't succeed as anticipated. I think one, probably the biggest surprise was the knockdown levels, right, that they saw 70% knockdown as a mean level with necrisiran -- I mean, with vatrisiran, we're at 81%, 87% depending on med and median. So pretty sizable difference in terms of that knockdown. And I think you saw that really play out. Even if you look across the data, you saw benefits of that drug in monotherapy. And even when you look at across the end points, you saw some benefits in combination across a variety of endpoints, not the top line one, but a variety of other endpoints, suggesting there was really an example of basically a dose response effect less knockdown, less effect, more knockdown, greater effect compared to HELIOS B in the AMVUTTRA data set. I think the second thing was patient selection. I think we've seen coming out of HELIOS SP as a learning and actually even earlier studies, that with the silencing mechanism when you're turning off production, you actually really want to get in upstream, you want to get in before patients accumulate a lot of irreversible damage to their heart, right? That's harder to change if you're turning off the spigot on production. It's not to say you can't change it. It just may take longer beyond what you can do in a short-term clinical trial. And so we saw there again that the greatest benefits of that drug really occurred in the earliest patients. And the most noteworthy example of that was, if you look at the NACS Stage 1, which is largely defined by BNP under 3,000, we know BNP is probably the strongest predictive factor in heart failure. In 900 patients, they actually would have seen a stat sig effect. And that's including all the patients who are on combo, right, which was 60% on the onset and another pretty much 20%, 25% who dropped in, and so in a 140 week trial in those -- the earlier patient population, that's where they would have seen a stat sig effect. And then the third was around endpoint selection. And there, again, I think they focused on CV mortality and CV events we've tended to focus on all cause mortality because this is a systemic disease, and we think that captures the totality of what happens to a patient and tends to be more sensitive. So I think those are the kind of the key learnings coming out of cardio transform that really tended to point to why the study didn't succeed and really said, look, not all silences are created equal and ASO is different from an RNAi. But importantly, that as we design Triton CM, these were actually learnings that we carried forward from HELIOS B, and we had incorporated. So a, we've got a molecule with the deepest knockdown ever study, necrisiran, median knockdown 95%. It gets everybody more or less the deep levels of knockdown Two, we focused on the earlier patient population. We have compared to the eplentersen study, real caps on BNP, not only at the higher level, but even at intermediate levels within the study. And then we focused on endpoints that we think are most sensitive. And then lastly, we have an event-driven study as opposed to a fixed time study. So we think there's a lot of tailwinds. And frankly, what we learned corroborated a lot of the design choices we made for Triton CM, you'll recall that we recently upsized the study early in the year from 1,250 to $1,750, recognizing as we had intended that we were getting an earlier patient population this just to increase the probability of getting more events, accruing events earlier. So we feel like we're in a good position. But look, we just got the data this last weekend. Our teams are going through it. There was a lot there, and we're doing a lot of simulation work, et cetera, to think about if there's anything more that we need to do in terms of optimizing Triton CM. It's obviously a very important study. Those probably fall into two main categories. One could be things that relate to enrollment, whether we enrich or further accrue more patients, et cetera, in certain segments. That's something if we decide to do, we have to do this year. And then the other would be something that could be more in the analytics category, endpoints, et cetera, like we did with HELIOS, that would happen further down the line after we've kind of accrued the patients and and seen what their trajectory is over time.

Derek Archila

analyst
#23

I guess what's your confidence level based on kind of what you've already talked about in terms of stratifying those patients and BNP levels that these patients would be kind of earlier stage relative to cardio transform?

Pushkal Garg

executive
#24

Oh, no, I think we feel quite confident that the way we've designed the study and what we're accruing these are going to be moderate patients or earlier patients than that in cardiotransform. We already are -- and we even did this in HELIOS-B, right, if you compare the eplontersen study to HELIOS-B, based on the way that we designed it and the caps we've put in place, there were twice as many NYHA Class III patients in cardio transform. There were twice as many NAC Stage III patients in cardiac transform. The median DNP level was higher. So there was a number of things that really push them a little bit towards a more advanced population that we had purposely avoided in HELIOS-B, and we've further exploited those learnings in the way that we've designed Triton.

Derek Archila

analyst
#25

Got it. And I think you alluded to this, but we also talked about the breakfast this morning, but you don't really view this as like monotherapy versus combo. It's more about kind of the advanced patient population. So I guess if you were to look at the mix make any changes. Would that mean more of like changing those caps that you talked about? Or would it be more about looking for mono? Or what would be kind of the mix that you'd want to?

Pushkal Garg

executive
#26

Yes. What I would say is there's a number of different things we can pull. Again, we want to develop the medicine ultimately to have a label that's going to be most supportive of what John does in terms of getting this medicine out to patients, right, and to the broadest mix of patients that we possibly can and where it's going to have the greatest benefit risk for patients. As we said, we always think this drug should be used early and as first line. That's been our objective with AMVUTTRA. And with acres, we're seeking a broad label, both as mono and combo. There's a number of levers that you can kind of pull -- but again, we want to support the label that we're trying to get that we think is going to help patients. Mono combo has been kind of an incessant focus. I get why based on what the top line release is, but I think it misses the forest for the trees a little bit that there are multiple other important levers and that really help. And that's, again, proper patient selection, high levels of knockdown. We put out some clinical trial simulation work that we've done that really showed that with high levels of knockdown, we expect to see benefit both as mono and as combo, which is what the biology would suggest very strongly in existing clinical trial data supports. So that's where we're found

Derek Archila

analyst
#27

So is it fair to say, regardless if you make changes this year to kind of like enrollment criteria or SAP design in which we would find out later that you're going to basically -- you're not going to sacrifice a broad label, like that's like first and foremost.

Pushkal Garg

executive
#28

We think it is important as we kind of think about where the field is going and how patient care is going to evolve. And so we're committed to showing the benefit of this therapy in both settings.

Derek Archila

analyst
#29

Very helpful. So maybe with the last couple of minutes here, it would be great to kind of talk beyond TTR. And maybe talk about some of the pipelines. So near term, you're going to talk about some Huntington disease data from 1 of the programs. I think that's coming out late October. So maybe talk about that and give us a little bit of context of like what would constitute a good update there.

Pushkal Garg

executive
#30

Yes. I mean, look, I don't think we have to do a lot of educating about Huntington's disease, really incredibly devastating disease with no approved therapies. Been likened to having Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and ALS, all at the same time. And we're excited about the molecule we brought forward. It's a that's now built upon the platform that we've developed that really allows us to usually dose about twice a year. It's intrathecal dosing that actually has deep knockdown and broad biodistribution in the brain. And that's really important in this disease where you're really trying to get into the deeper brain structures like the Code nucleus. We also have a unique targeting approach. And so we're not only targeting mutant Huntington's, which has been tried before, but we're specifically targeting a segment of the gene that includes something called exon 1 that codes for a protein called HTT 1a. And we know that, that small fragment is really critical in terms of the biology of this disease in terms of nucleating the tangles and that happened in Huntington's disease. And so a very exciting approach. I'll note that uniQure actually, where they've shown some benefits compared to natural history is the 1 other approach that actually specifically targets exon 1. So that's in a Phase I study. We'll have some data out in October at EHDN. And what we're looking for there is, a, what's the safety and tolerability be? Can we get to deep levels of knockdown. This will be single-dose data. I'll remind you that previously, Roche Ionis had brought forward Tominersen, which had about a 25% knockdown and had some tolerability issues in terms of NFL increases, ventricular enlargement, et cetera. We think that's largely ASO related, but it will be important that we can hopefully get a well-tolerated level of deeper knockdown than that. And so we'd love to see 50% or greater. And so that's -- and then I think if we can get to that, then we think we'll be off -- be able to move this program quite rapidly. It's also encouraging to see that there may be some regulatory flexibility in the Huntington space as well. So all of that will stay tuned for it. We're excited.

Derek Archila

analyst
#31

Got you. And then maybe just quickly on 6400. So looking at development in a couple of bleeding disorders. So what should we kind of expect from the data later this year? And I guess, maybe sketch out for us a little bit about the opportunity in Bonilla brands.

Pushkal Garg

executive
#32

Yes. So ALN 6400 targets a protein called plasminogen, which is a liver-derived protein that's involved in fibrinolysis or breakdown by silencing it, we can stabilize clots. So think of it like a Band-Aid. Beauty the band at is it can be used across a variety of bleeding disorders. And two, we believe based on very strong genetic evidence from patients with plasminogen deficiency that it will not be associated with thrombosis. A lot of times, we worry about drugs that help with bleeding that they promote thrombosis. Here we think we can dissociate those 2 phenomenon. So a very interesting program. We'll have later this year some Phase I data, which will have evidence of knockdown and safety -- and then second -- and then we'll also have data later this year in our first indication, which is hereditary hemorrhagic toingectagia, really devastating disease, affects about 70,000 patients in the United States. They are affected by telangiectasia, which is small, arteriovenous malformations at the capillary level, they can affect the gut, really impact the nasal mucosa. So these patients can have incessant bleeding hours at a time, several days out of the week, half these patients are anemic require blood transfusions. And so our hope is that we can actually start to reduce the bleeding in a prophylactic way for these patients giving this several times a year to prevent bleeding. Our second and so we'll have data in HHT later this year. And then next year, we expect to bring forward -- we're bringing forward data in vanilla brands disease. -- which is more of a platelet type of disorder, again, to highlight the impact of this drug across a variety of bleeding the stores.

Derek Archila

analyst
#33

Got it. Well, I think we'll leave it there, gentlemen. Thank you so much for the conversation.

Pushkal Garg

executive
#34

Thanks, Derek.

John Kennedy

executive
#35

Thank you.

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