Alpine Income Property Trust, Inc. (PINE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 6, 2026

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Diversified REITs earnings 39 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jenna McKinney

executive
#1

Thanks. Here with me on this morning's call are John Albright, our President and CEO, Philip Mays, our CFO, along with several other executives, and they'll be on hand to take questions during the call. Just a note that a lot of what we say today falls under forward-looking statements as defined by federal securities laws. Actual future results for the company could differ materially from what these forward-looking statements describe, and we have no obligation to update them. The factors and risks that might cause actual results to vary materially from our expectations get disclosed from time to time in more detail in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings. Our SEC reports, earnings release, and latest investor presentation — which include reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures we use — are available on our website at www.alpinereit.com; and with that, I'll hand the call over to John.

John Albright

executive
#2

Thanks, Jenna, and good morning to all of you. It's a pleasure to share that our fourth quarter was a strong one, standing out with AFFO per common share climbing 22.7% alongside $142.1 million of investments, which capped off a record-setting year at $277.7 million of investments for 2025. That record yearly investment total played a part in generating 8.6% growth in AFFO per common share across the entirety of 2025. On top of the investment volume, we carried out every element of our business plan successfully over the course of the year. To be specific, when it comes to buying properties, we picked up 8 properties during the fourth quarter for roughly $40 million, at a weighted average initial cash cap rate of 6.9%. Across the whole year, we bought 13 properties for $100.6 million, at a weighted average initial cap rate of 7.4%. Worth pointing out, these purchases reflect our strategic barbell approach to acquisitions and featured investment-grade rated tenants including Lowe's and Walmart, along with higher-yielding property investments such as the headquarters and manufacturing facility for Germfree. Alongside that 2025 acquisition activity, in the fourth quarter we also kept executing our strategic recycling plan successfully, divesting 9 noncore properties for $38.4 million at a weighted average exit cap rate of 7.7%, which brought property disposition volume for the full year 2025 to $72.8 million, made up of $67.4 million of income-producing properties at a weighted average exit cap rate of 8% and $5.3 million tied to vacant properties. Thanks to this combined 2025 property portfolio activity, 51% of our ABR now comes from investment-grade rated tenants. Of note, Lowe's, Dick's Sporting Goods, and Walmart all now sit within the top five tenants, together accounting for 29% of our ABR. In addition, Walgreens presently accounts for 4% of ABR and has dropped to our ninth tenant, with just five locations left in our portfolio. Zooming out, at year-end our property portfolio was made up of 127 properties, spanning 4.3 million sq ft across 32 states, with a WALT of 8.4 years and 99.5% occupancy; now turning to the exciting growth in our commercial loan portfolio. Thanks to our long-standing reputation and deep industry relationships, we keep seeing and capitalizing on compelling chances to originate high-yielding commercial loans with quality sponsors at attractive risk-adjusted returns. In the fourth quarter, we originated five commercial loan investments and amended one commercial loan, amounting to a combined $102.3 million of commitments at a weighted average initial coupon of 13.5%, which brought our full year to $177 million of commercial loan originations at a weighted average initial coupon of 12%, including paid-in-kind interest when applicable. The high-quality real estate projects behind these loans sit in major MSAs, are backed by strong sponsors, and have taken many years to come together. We're thrilled to be involved in these projects. Also, during the fourth quarter, we sold a $10 million senior interest in our previously announced commercial loan, secured by a luxury residential development located in the Austin, Texas, metropolitan area. That sale lowered concentration in one of our largest commercial loans. Occasionally, we'll probably look at making more sales of senior interests in bigger loan investments, so we can manage diversification efficiently while also boosting the yield on our net interest. When the year ended, our net commercial loan portfolio stood at roughly $129.8 million, compared with $48 million when the year started, which shows the substantial scale and momentum our platform achieved over the last year. On top of that, we aim for our commercial loan portfolio to typically be around 20% of our total undepreciated asset value, which would complement the investments in our property portfolio and lift our overall yield on total assets. That said, the timing of funding and repayments on loan investments can shift from quarter to quarter. Taken together, property acquisitions and loan originations that were completed came to about $142.1 million in the fourth quarter, with an 11.7% weighted average initial yield, and $277.7 million across the entire year, at a 10.3% weighted average initial yield. The $277.7 million of investments we completed made it the most productive year in our company's history. To fund that amount of investment activity, we brought in capital through strategic asset sales and also took advantage of opportunities in the capital markets. During November, we issued $50 million of a new Series A Preferred Stock carrying an 8% coupon. Also, late in the fourth quarter of 2025 and early in the first quarter of 2026, we tapped both our common ATM and our Series A Preferred ATM programs, bringing in a combined $18.3 million of equity. Finally, as we turn our attention to 2026, we're enthusiastic about what lies ahead for the company. We think our investment activity, equity raises, and recent debt refinancings — Phil will give you more specifics on those — have put the company in a strong position as we enter the new year. In addition, our board recently chose to raise our quarterly common dividend per share by 5.3%, to $0.30 per share, starting in the first quarter of this year. With that, I'll hand the call over to Phil.

Philip Mays

executive
#3

Thanks, John. I'll start with a brief overview of our financial results. In the fourth quarter, total revenue came to $16.9 million, which included $12.7 million in lease income and $4 million in interest income from commercial loan investments. FFO and AFFO attributable to common stockholders for the quarter both came in at $0.54 per diluted share, which reflects 22.7% growth compared to the same quarter a year earlier. For the full year, total revenue reached $60.5 million, including $48.7 million in lease income and $11.4 million in interest income from commercial loan investments. FFO and AFFO attributable to common stockholders were $1.88 and $1.89 per diluted share, respectively, which represents roughly 8.6% growth over the prior year. The earnings growth we saw for both the quarter and the year was mainly the result of the investment activity John talked about, along with disciplined management of our balance sheet. Now turning to the balance sheet. Much like our investment activity, we had a substantial amount of capital markets activity during the fourth quarter of 2025 and early in the first quarter of 2026. To start, on November 12, we closed a public offering of 2 million shares of Series A preferred stock priced at $25 per share with an 8% coupon; this preferred offering generated $50 million in gross proceeds before the underwriting discount and other offering expenses were deducted, with net proceeds coming to $48.1 million. We added to the preferred offering proceeds with a modest amount of issuance under both our Series A preferred and common equity ATM programs. Let me begin with our preferred ATM programs. From late in the fourth quarter through early in the first quarter of 2026, we issued just over 116,000 shares of our Series A preferred stock at a weighted average price of $24.92 per share, for total net proceeds of approximately $2.8 million. In the same period, under our common stock ATM program, we issued just over 918,000 shares at a weighted average price of $17.13, for total net proceeds of approximately $15.5 million. Also, earlier this week, we closed a new unsecured credit facility and fully recast the company's unsecured debt. This new credit facility is made up of a $250 million revolving credit facility with an initial term of 4 years, along with two 6-month extension options, a $100 million three-year term loan, and a $100 million five-year term loan. We used the proceeds from the new credit facility to fully repay and retire the company's prior revolving credit facility and term loans, which means the company now has no debt maturities for three years. In addition, pricing for borrowings under the new credit facility improved by 10 to 15 basis points, and it gives us more flexibility and borrowing capacity related to our commercial loan investments. Please refer to our recent press release about this credit facility for more details; we ended the year with net debt to pro forma Adjusted EBITDA of 6.7 times, versus 7.4 times at the beginning of the year. On top of that, we held $65.8 million in liquidity, made up of roughly $25.3 million in usable cash and $40.6 million accessible through our revolving credit facility. That said, because of bank commitments already in place, the amount we can draw on that revolver grows by another $31.4 million as we buy properties and originate commercial loans, which brings total potential liquidity to $97.3 million at year-end. To sum up our investments at year-end: our property portfolio generated annualized base rent of $46.2 million on a straight-line basis, while our net commercial loan portfolio carried loans with an aggregate face amount of $129.8 million and a weighted average coupon rate of 12.4%. One more point on the commercial loan portfolio. Two loan investments totaling $7.2 million at year-end, with a weighted average coupon rate of about 11.5%, got repaid in January of 2026. Also, as we mentioned before, our property portfolio contains roughly $3.8 million of ABR tied to three single-tenant restaurant properties that we acquired in 2024 via a sale-leaseback transaction. While those properties count as real estate for legal and tax purposes, GAAP says they have to be treated as a financing. As a result, current annual cash payments of approximately $2.8 million show up as interest income instead of lease income. To give you more detail on this topic and on our commercial loan program, we've added extra disclosures to our press release, among them the supplemental table, which lays out specifics for the loan portfolio and the related interest earnings. We hope this added information helps you understand our investments. Now on to our 2026 outlook. Our initial earnings guidance for the full year of 2026 is $2.07-$2.11 for FFO per diluted common share, and $2.09-$2.13 for AFFO per diluted common share. Key assumptions baked into our initial guidance include investment volume of $70 million-$100 million, and disposition volume of $30 million-$60 million. I should point out that our 2026 guidance and earnings growth assume dispositions generally close before acquisitions do. Beyond that, our 2025 revenue included $221,000 in the fourth quarter and $525,000 for the full year, tied to fees we earned for managing and selling the third-party properties that backed our portfolio loan. During the fourth quarter of 2025, substantially all of those third-party assets were sold, and the portfolio loan was repaid in full. So those fees won't be a significant revenue source in 2026. One final item. As John mentioned, the board has raised our quarterly common dividend to $0.30 per share, starting in the first quarter of 2026. Even after this increase, our dividend remains well covered. To be specific, this new quarterly common dividend rate works out to just a 56% AFFO payout ratio, calculated on AFFO for the fourth quarter of 2025; with that, operator, please open the call to questions.

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#4

Morning, everyone. I appreciate you answering my question. To start, I want to ask about the loan portfolio. It seems you've established something like a cap at 20% of that portfolio. Could you explain a bit about the reasoning behind choosing that figure? Also, where does the loan portfolio currently sit in relation to that cap, how much room remains to reach that maximum, and do you anticipate getting there during this year? Thanks.

John Albright

executive
#5

Yes, Michael, this is John. I'd say that 20% struck us as a sensible figure, keeping it from growing too big, naturally, and it's something that clearly fits well alongside the company and the business. So it isn't some highly magical figure, yet it's sufficiently modest that it won't become a distraction for our investors, while still allowing for genuinely interesting investments. I'll hand it over to Phil to describe our current position, but as you can tell from what Phil mentioned, a few loans have already been repaid, and that pattern should persist as we keep locating places to put new investments.

Philip Mays

executive
#6

Okay, Michael, the simplest way to frame where things stand with the runway is this: as John said, it's 20% of total undepreciated assets. At year-end, that figure would have come to $770 million, so 20% works out to $155 million to $160 million. Roughly $130 million was outstanding on the portfolio. That leaves room, then, for an additional $25 million to $30 million beyond what remained outstanding at the close of the year.

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#7

That’s useful. Thank you; and as a follow-up, you keep lowering your exposure to certain tenants that are, like, out of favor. Walgreens has dropped quite a bit on the list. I suppose, where do you currently stand on that? Is there additional work left? Are you pleased with your present position? I’m just attempting to get a feeling of whether this activity is, you know, just beginning to wind down, or whether there is still a little more left? Just how you-

Philip Mays

executive
#8

No, there def-

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#9

Thank you.

John Albright

executive
#10

Yes, thanks. Yes, we certainly still have some work ahead, and right now we are actively marketing one more Walgreens location. So we'll keep making progress on that, and eventually, you know, it will be off the books. But since we've already brought it, you know, so far down the list, it's, you know, not something we're, like, intensely focused on anymore; our goal is simply to be patient and locate the appropriate purchasers rather than unload it merely for the sake of unloading it. So we'll collect the cash flow and be sensible when it comes to selling these, but we're continuing to push that disposition effort forward.

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#11

Nice job. Good luck in 2026.

John Albright

executive
#12

Thanks, Michael.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#13

Hello, good morning. I appreciate you taking my question. I suppose I'll just build on that initial inquiry regarding the 20% cap for the loan investments; that has truly been an incredibly robust driver of expansion for you folks and keeps being so... and a substantial portion of the investments over the last year centered on that. So even though you've described the additional capacity you have before hitting 20%, I mean, what's the reason for not going well past that 20% limit? Do you folks, I suppose, contemplate pursuing that? Is that something you'd like to do when you consider your prospects in 2026?

John Albright

executive
#14

No, I don't believe we do. I mean, sure, we could. I mean, there's sufficient deal flow available, but the thing is, you know, we don't wish to, you know, reverse course, so to speak, when it comes to, you know, what drives our company primarily, and that's net lease properties, core properties. So this segment has been, you know, terrific; it brings us further into developer relationships and tenant relationships, plus it gives us a source of, you know, upcoming net lease investments. And it's quite complementary, but we don't want it to become, you know, a bit of a diversion.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#15

All right, that's helpful. Then I have just one more question. You mentioned a few of the capital-raising moves from Q4, and I wanted to ask specifically about that $10 million you drew on the ATM. What I'm wondering is how you approach putting more equity to work when the share price sits where it does now — in other words, how you weigh your cost of equity. My assumption is that money mostly goes toward the divestment loans with the higher yield. So I'd like to hear how you compare deal spreads against your cost of capital versus what the investment loans offer, and how you decide on issuing more.

John Albright

executive
#16

Yeah, we're going to stay disciplined about it, but as you said, the bulk of it goes toward funding those investments that are highly accretive. So even if the share price isn't really where we'd want it to be, it still functions. The numbers do add up. And like you've observed with plenty of other companies, investors appear far more drawn to businesses that have greater liquidity and capacity. So when you look at it, we repurchased quite a bit of stock during the prior year, and now we're essentially putting out some of those shares again. So this isn't any kind of hugely dilutive move. It's simply disciplined funding of what are, in several cases, very accretive investments.

Jay Kornreich

analyst
#17

Fine. I'll stop with that. Many thanks.

John Albright

executive
#18

Of course.

Wesley Golladay

analyst
#19

Hi there. Yeah, morning to all of you. I've got one about the dividend. You folks increased it once more, and as you look at that, is the primary reason the expansion in earnings that you're seeing, plus the need to distribute a somewhat larger dividend? And what's the reasoning for not holding on to a greater amount of cash flow?

John Albright

executive
#20

Phil, that one's yours to answer.

Philip Mays

executive
#21

Right, so the increase came from both profits and taxable income. Those two things offset each other. I missed the final portion of what you asked, Wes.

Wesley Golladay

analyst
#22

Oh, I'm just trying to understand why it went up, basically, since you had to pay it out — just because you're issuing stock here. The question was: why not just keep more cash flow instead of raising the dividend?

Philip Mays

executive
#23

Yeah, a big part of it is growth and taxable income. You know, when you look at the loan portfolio, right, there's no depreciation attached to that. So even though it accounts for 20% of total assets and the properties represent more, there's no tax cover or depreciation associated with it, so it does help push taxable income higher; so the increase was really just to kind of get us where we need to be to pay out taxable income.

Wesley Golladay

analyst
#24

Understood, that's clear. I've got one question regarding that loan tied to the phase I developer. Are lot sales beginning to show up there, and at what point do you anticipate being paid back? Then, as a follow-up: do you think the second loan will begin funding prior to the first one starting to pay off?

John Albright

executive
#25

Yes, well, repayment on that loan has already begun now that lot sales are taking place. And really, that money is flowing toward the senior participation that we sold off. So I wouldn't say — by the time the second portion gets funded, the loan we currently have outstanding will not be completely repaid; however, you should expect that, you know, the repayment activity will likely shift more toward us, you know, in late spring, meaning it will actually be directed to the first mortgage participation first.

Wesley Golladay

analyst
#26

All right, I appreciate that; and next, I suppose, as you examine your potential loan pipeline, what sorts of things are showing up? I mean, you've got a sizable residential loan here. Are there additional sectors you're considering simply to broaden things a bit?

John Albright

executive
#27

Yes. So, the pipeline definitely has us quite pleased. You know, we're discussing more grocery-anchored development, roughly speaking, plus investment-grade credit development involving, you know, excellent tenants and new relationships. These are long-standing relationships, but they're new ones for Pine. And so, we're very enthusiastic as we keep developing the pipeline, so expect more soon.

Wesley Golladay

analyst
#28

Awesome. Okay. Thanks, guys.

John Albright

executive
#29

Thank you.

RJ Milligan

analyst
#30

Hi there, good morning everyone. I just wanted to pick up where we left off regarding the loan portfolio. John, looking further out, once a portion of these loans get repaid, is your expectation that you'll keep putting that capital back to work and hold that 20% allocation across the coming several years, or do you see that figure declining as time goes on?

John Albright

executive
#31

Appreciate that, RJ. No — our plan, and what we see in front of us, is to hold that figure right at 20%. The deals we have lined up are really robust at the moment. So when loans pay down, they're going to be; our full intention is to bring them back up.

RJ Milligan

analyst
#32

Understood. So this is over a longer horizon, correct — a 20% allocation, and it's a component of the Pine strategy?

John Albright

executive
#33

That's right.

RJ Milligan

analyst
#34

Perfect. Then, Phil, I was hoping for a bit of fourth-quarter bookkeeping. Clearly, that was a sizable figure and came in above what consensus expected. My sense is that a few one-time items might have landed in the fourth quarter. Could you maybe walk through what those were, and also how we should think about arriving at a solid run rate as we head into the first quarter of this year?

Philip Mays

executive
#35

Yes, thank you, RJ. A number of non-recurring things appear in there; and, you know, one useful way to look at it is that in one of our schedules, the debt to EBITDA, there's a line item labeled non-recurring items, and for the quarter it came in at slightly above $300,000. That figure is mostly the management fees I mentioned during my prepared remarks that are being eliminated, plus a prepayment penalty from one of the loans that was repaid ahead of schedule, which together accounted for that $300,000 and some thousand. So that works out to a couple of cents that won't repeat; and then, also, remember that the fourth quarter doesn't carry the entire burden of the prep outstanding and the associated management fee. So the $0.54, if you adjust it downward for all of those items, is probably $0.50, $0.51 on a run-rate basis as of the end of the quarter.

RJ Milligan

analyst
#36

Great. Makes sense. Thanks, guys.

John Albright

executive
#37

Thank you.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#38

Yeah, thanks. Morning. I'd like to ask something further regarding the balance sheet, and I was curious whether you might share your views about how leverage will look in 2026.

John Albright

executive
#39

Phil?

Philip Mays

executive
#40

Yeah, I mean, we're quite pleased with the position we're in right now. And, you know, we've got a favorable pricing level on our debt. So I think, you know, roughly where we sit at this point is pretty much where, you know, we anticipate it staying through the year, though clearly, that hinges on what opportunities come our way.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#41

All right. A second follow-up regarding investment opportunities. During your prepared remarks, you mentioned pursuing a barbell strategy for 2026. I'm curious whether you could share your thoughts on, I suppose, what you're seeing in terms of opportunities across both the investment-grade and non-investment-grade portions of the portfolio when it comes to acquisitions.

John Albright

executive
#42

Yes. We're quite enthusiastic about, you know, certain opportunities that we're seeing on the net lease side, where we could potentially add new investment-grade credits higher into the top five, top 10 tenancy. So, we're really, you know, concentrated on that; and so, you know, we have a solid portfolio that, you know, opportunities we're currently evaluating, so pretty thrilled about, you know, how the net lease portfolio will be composed this year.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#43

Okay, that's everything from my side.

Jason Weaver

analyst
#44

Hi there, morning everyone, and congratulations on such a significant 2025.

John Albright

executive
#45

Thanks.

Jason Weaver

analyst
#46

To start, regarding the guidance for acquisitions and dispositions, it's significantly lower compared to 25, even as our capital base expands. Can we infer anything from that? It's simply, as you know, a matter of adopting a conservative stance. Does it reflect some reluctance regarding where the market stands, or could there be another explanation?

John Albright

executive
#47

Yes, as you know, we simply aim to maintain a rhythm that we're extremely at ease achieving, rather than setting such a large figure that we'd feel pushed to acquire properties we might not be particularly enthusiastic about. So we just want to proceed very cautiously in building an exceptionally robust portfolio, avoiding any pressure to take on more standard assets.

Jason Weaver

analyst
#48

Understood. That seems reasonable. Moving on, could you give us some insight into what funding mix we should expect for any new investments, and also for the unfunded commitments — will that involve some blend of ATM draws versus, say, drawing on the credit facility, and what proportion of each are you aiming for?

John Albright

executive
#49

I'll begin, and then let Phil go into more detail, but clearly the mix we've had historically is probably fairly indicative of what lies ahead. That means we're still recycling, still selling down non-core credits, and directing that toward investments. Then, as we mentioned, some loans will naturally mature and pay off; beyond that, there will likely be a combination of, maybe, the ATM and the line, though we intend to keep it all fairly modest.

Philip Mays

executive
#50

Yeah, I mean, John covered it pretty well.

Jason Weaver

analyst
#51

Okay, that's helpful detail, folks. Thanks for that.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#52

Thanks, and good morning, everyone. Phil, you put the PIK interest that was earned into AFFO, and I get why that's logical for this quarter since almost nothing went uncollected in cash. Do you expect that to be the case going forward?

Philip Mays

executive
#53

Yes, I believe that's what we'll do. Another thing we did, Craig, so it's clear how much PIK is in there, at the bottom of the table, we put in a schedule showing both the cash interest and the PIK interest, and we'll keep including that as well. That way you'll know precisely what's in it. But it just seemed like an easier approach.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#54

Yeah. No, that was useful. I noticed that too. Switching topics — when you talk with your developers who still have unfunded commitments, do you think those folks will draw down the bulk of that capital during 2026? Or I realize many of those loans come due later, in 2027 and even 2028, but I'd just like your thoughts on it.

John Albright

executive
#55

Yeah, we absolutely anticipate those being drawn down, no question. It's a component of the project, and once the project moves forward, that's, you know, completely sort of designated for those requirements.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#56

All right, thanks. On the commercial loan schedule, you noted that phase II in Austin involves certain conditions that haven't been satisfied. Could you provide some detail about what those are, and when you expect they'll be satisfied and the loan gets funded?

John Albright

executive
#57

Sure, I'll hand that over to Phil.

Philip Mays

executive
#58

Yeah, regarding the funding, it's likely to be Q2. But bear in mind that, just like during the initial phase, we offloaded a participation worth $10 million. So, to use approximate figures, phase one came to $30 million and phase two is also $30 million. We've already divested a $10 million participation. There will probably be an additional sale on top of that. And so, all told, we could end up selling another $10 million-$20 million, which means our net retained portion could be nearer to half. That said, it's probably late in the first quarter or early in the second quarter when the second-phase funding happens, and at the same time, we'll likely also do a participation sale of $10 million or $20 million, somewhere around there.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#59

Understood — so that's included in the guidance, correct?

Philip Mays

executive
#60

That's right.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#61

All right, thanks for that. And I suppose back when that initial phase got put together, my recollection is it was 17% for roughly 6 months, after which it fell to 16% for 6. And after you disposed of that participation interest, the yield on it now sits above 20%. Could you take us through how the calculation works once the participation interest is factored out? Does anything shift in terms of how that loan is going to roll down?

Philip Mays

executive
#62

That participation interest carries a fixed 10% rate, and as you know, it hyper-amortizes, meaning it gets paid back first, while we're paid back afterward. Does that answer it?

Craig Kucera

analyst
#63

All right. I'll likely just follow up with you separately to confirm the figures are correct; and last, you brought up that you modified the loan during this quarter. Was it simply an extension of that loan, or could you provide a bit more detail regarding it?

Philip Mays

executive
#64

Yes, it was simply an extension.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#65

Alright, that covers everything on my end. Thank you, everyone. I appreciate it.

John Albright

executive
#66

Thank you.

John Massocca

analyst
#67

Good morning.

John Albright

executive
#68

Morning.

John Massocca

analyst
#69

So perhaps we could revisit the guidance for a moment. The ranges can be fairly wide, but what return do you anticipate on the investment amount that's reflected in the guidance? And I suppose what's implied by that question is: within that anticipated amount, how do you expect the breakdown to look between structured investments and net lease investments?

Philip Mays

executive
#70

Regarding the loan side, I mentioned earlier that the runway sits at $25 million-$30 million, and it may fluctuate somewhat based on the timing of draws, fundings, and repayments. Still, from that guidance, you ought to anticipate roughly that amount originating from the loan side. That will likely build up across the first half of the year. After that, the remainder of the guidance, you can anticipate, will come from the property side.

John Massocca

analyst
#71

So, from a yield standpoint, where would you say that leaves you? Or, what do you figure yields look like right now for structured loans, and for the kinds of net lease investments you're evaluating?

Philip Mays

executive
#72

Yes, so, in the existing portfolio and what we anticipate funding, well-

John Albright

executive
#73

Honestly, the returns we're getting aren't all that far off from what we've achieved before, so you really aren't seeing any real squeeze in the marketplace, so to speak. Sure, there's plenty of money floating around out there, as everyone is aware. The thing is, the way the structure gives us flexibility and how fast we're able to move on chances that come up, that's what gets us those slightly better yields.

Philip Mays

executive
#74

Yes, the rate we saw when the quarter closed is a reasonable one to apply for the rest of the year.

John Massocca

analyst
#75

All right. And then regarding net leases, what sort of cap rates are you currently observing? I'm aware you completed a deal after the quarter ended at 8.5, but might that be somewhat above what your current market target is, or does it fairly represent what you're able to put money into?

John Albright

executive
#76

No, on the investment-grade type of assets we've been reviewing, those will come in below what we recently completed with that Aspen acquisition; however, quite comparable, quite comparable to the Sam's Club that we bought, and so on. So regarding cap rate movement, for high-quality assets, it remains quite compressed. But many of the investments we've made over the last 5 years-... We'll target really solid real estate, very strong MSAs, and potentially a shorter lease term, where a tenant is highly likely to renew since their rent is extremely low, making them almost like covered land plays. And we can acquire those at, clearly higher yields than something like a brand-new 15-year lease. That's the area we prefer, where we're acquiring investment-grade credits in large MSAs at interest rates far under market. So those cap rates will remain comparable to what we achieved last year too.

John Massocca

analyst
#77

That's helpful. Then perhaps regarding the... You brought it up when discussing the Austin structured investment, but could there be chances for additional involvement, interest sales, on other structured loans within the portfolio or other deals that might be somewhat included in guidance?

John Albright

executive
#78

I mean, we could divest, you know, a great deal if we chose to, but we — I mean, those are excellent loans, and we'd prefer, you know, to keep every one; but we will definitely sell senior participations to fund activity if necessary.

John Massocca

analyst
#79

So, when you look at things as they stand right now, is Austin mainly going to be the source of that?

John Albright

executive
#80

Pardon me, I didn't catch that final part. Could you repeat it, please?

John Massocca

analyst
#81

So, basically, you touched on what sort of activity you anticipated carrying out regarding sales of participation interests—

John Albright

executive
#82

That's right.

John Massocca

analyst
#83

with the Austin structured

John Albright

executive
#84

Yeah.

John Massocca

analyst
#85

-investment.

John Albright

executive
#86

Yeah.

John Massocca

analyst
#87

At this point, is that pretty much everything under consideration?

John Albright

executive
#88

At this point, yes — and honestly, we're providing this mainly as a favor to them since they joined in early. If not for that, we wouldn't have any interest in selling that participation at all. But we definitely want to act as solid counterparties and retain that participation investor, in case we decide to pursue another one down the road.

John Massocca

analyst
#89

All right, that's clear. I have nothing further. Thanks a lot.

John Albright

executive
#90

Excellent. Appreciate it.

Operator

operator
#91

This concludes today's program. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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