Amarin Corporation plc (AMRN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 18, 2020

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology special 52 min

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Operator

operator
#1

Welcome to Amarin Corporation's American Heart Association Scientific Sessions wrap-up event where select scientific publications presented over the weekend will be discussed. This conference call is being recorded today, November 18, 2020. I will now turn the conference call over to Alina Kolomeyer, Director of Communications at Amarin.

Alina Kolomeyer

executive
#2

Welcome to today's discussion with several distinguished invited guests to explore with our investment community the several important new data sets and analyses related to VASCEPA and REDUCE-IT, presented to the medical community at the American Heart Association Virtual Scientific Sessions 2020. Please be aware that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements that are intended to be covered under the safe harbor provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Examples of such statements include, but are not limited to, our current expectations regarding VASCEPA clinical data and expectation regarding the application of these data to clinical use, in reimbursement and regulatory settings and to commercial prospects for VASCEPA. These statements are based on information available to us today, November 18, 2020. We may not actually meet the expectations disclosed in our forward-looking statements. Actual results or events could differ materially. We assume no obligation to update these statements as circumstances change. For additional information concerning the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially, please see the forward-looking statements section in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. This call is intended for investors and Amarin and is not intended to promote the use of Amarin's VASCEPA outside its approved indication. I will now turn the call over to Dr. Craig Granowitz, the Chief Medical Officer of Amarin.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#3

Thank you, Alina, and I wanted to thank our panel for their participation. I'm really excited with the wonderful group of faculty and investigators we have at today's session and for them to give a summary of some of the key points from the data they presented at the meeting and then to try to put some context around some of the key findings from the meeting, particularly questions that have been raised regarding the STRENGTH and REDUCE-IT study. So with us today, we have Dr. Preston Mason, who's a member of the Cardiovascular Division at Brigham and Women's Hospital, which is a teaching affiliate of the Harvard Medical School. Preston is also the President and Co-founder of Elucida Research. We're also welcoming Dr. Matthew Budoff, Director of Cardiovascular CT at The Lundquist Institute and Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. We have Dr. Subodh Verma, Professor and cardiac surgeon at the University of Toronto; Dr. Deepak Bhatt, Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Executive Director of Interventional Cardiovascular Programs at the Brigham and Women's Hospital Center and the primary investigator for the REDUCE-IT study; and Professor Alberico Catapano, who is a Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Milano in Milano, Italy.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#4

So I think with that, Preston, we'll start with you. I thought we would sort of start with the basic science, then some of the translational research that was done by Dr. Budoff and presented at the meeting. And then perhaps Dr. Verma, talking about some additional analyses that were done from the REDUCE-IT study. And then really trying to bring it all together with Dr. Bhatt and Professor Catapano. For those of you who watched more of AHA, Professor Catapano was a discussant for the STRENGTH and the OMEMI trials, and I think has a unique perspective, both in terms of being asked by AHA to pull it all together with regard to those 2 trials and has long experience in the field of triglycerides and lipids. So we really have a very distinguished group of faculty members here today. So thank you in advance for your time. Preston, I'd like to start with you. It was interesting that your -- some of your figures and some of your data was referenced by a number of different presenters, panelists and discussants regarding some of the fundamental biochemistry of omega-3s and their interactions with membranes. Perhaps you can tell us a bit about the research, in general, you've done and some of the additional findings that you brought to bear at this meeting, both biochemical and biological.

R. Preston Mason

attendee
#5

Sure. Thank you for the opportunity to participate with these esteemed other guests. I'd like to begin by saying, yes, many questions have been raised in clinical studies. We see a very impressive effect with EPA alone to REDUCE-IT. The same benefit was not seen in STRENGTH despite also reducing triglycerides. So at least to the question, "Are all omega-3 fatty acids the same? Or could they have different biological activity that could account for such really dramatic differences in clinical outcomes?" So we had several presentations at this AHA and some earlier work that was referred to by Professor Catapano and [ Dr. Saseen ] as discussants. And basically, at the cellular level, we see really impressive differences between EPA and other omega-3 fatty acids. In the studies we presented at this particular meeting, we were looking at a key event in atherosclerosis, and that is the oxidation of LDL or bad cholesterol. That's an early triggering event in plaque development as well as plaque instability. And we saw a dramatic difference between EPA and DHA as well as a corporation derived from a dietary supplement when it came to this benefit. On the EPA, what they were able to produce as benefit over time, we were not able to reproduce it with DHA, even a prescription form of DHA or with the dietary supplement. And the dietary supplement, of course, not only is now in a prescription form, it actually contains saturated fat and a number of other oils that would entirely disqualify it, as anything that you'd want to give a patient. But the DHA and EPA differences were very important, particularly in light of these recent trials. So we do are seeing very clearly that the way these molecules interact at the cellular level and at the lipoprotein level have profound differences on biological processes relate to atherosclerosis. This is not to say DHA is bad. It's just DHA has a different role in the brain where it's highly concentrated. But in models of atherosclerosis, it doesn't have the benefits we see with EPA. And I'd just like to acknowledge my coinvestigators, Dr. Bhatt and Sam Sherratt.

Deepak Bhatt

attendee
#6

Well, I've got to say, I thought the data were really quite impressive that you presented here. And in particular, just showing the fact that LDL oxidation was affected in a good way by EPA, but DHA didn't do that -- mixtures of EPA and DHA didn't do through that. And that really, to me, is a very insightful work.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#7

Yes. I mean, I think one of the important points, Preston, that you raised by the 2 abstracts is, one is looking at biochemical parameters really or physical biochemical parameters. The other is, as Dr. Bhatt just said, a biological readout. Maybe you could touch base just a bit more on really looking at 2 very different parameters of activity of the omega-3s in your studies because they're really assessing physics versus biology.

R. Preston Mason

attendee
#8

Sure. So EPA and DHA, they are often just lumped together as if they are the same molecule. But in fact, they're very different. They have different number of carbons, they have different number of double bonds. And at the molecular level, these differences in chemical structure have really pronounced effects on their surrounding environment. In this case, they tend to concentrate in cell membranes as well as in other lipid environments like lipoproteins. And these differences, at the very basic level, influence things like fluidity or dynamics of the membrane that in turn can influence [ biochannel ] activity or signal transduction, all these very important biological processes. So we can now link the biology to the physical/chemical properties of these different omega-3 fatty acids. And we even extended it to arachidonic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid, that show yet further differences in these molecules. There should not be a surprise when you see different clinical outcomes with these different omega-3 fatty acids because of the biophysical level. We do see clear differences, especially in relevant models of atherosclerosis that we can then link to these trials.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#9

Thank you, Preston. Professor Catapano, I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit as a Professor of Pharmacology. Maybe you could explain to us all what volume of distribution is. And with an agent that has a volume of distribution on the order of 90 liters, what that might mean and how measuring either short-term blood levels. Or other nontissue-related parameters of exposure may or may not mean if you try to compare across molecules?

Alberico Catapano

attendee
#10

Well, obviously, when you talk about fatty acids, you're not talking about something that is free in circulation. It cannot be free because fatty acids will -- free fatty acids may be dangerous above a certain level. Now they get incorporated. Long-chain fatty acids, such as EPA or DHA, they get mainly incorporated into phospholipids. And by doing so, they might change properties of the membranes. And EPA and DHA, they're not exactly the same under those circumstances. So that clearly makes up some of the biological information we have that an EPA may have some "favorable effects" of an inflammation, maybe LDL oxidation and other activities that are anti, if you wish, atherogenic, while DHA is less prone to do that. So from the biological and pharmacological point of view, EPA and DHA are not the same thing. And when you mix them, you are giving a drug that is different from the pure EPA. So I'm not surprised that there will be differences there. Now the point is, are those differences important or not, clinically relevant or not. And that's something we need to address, obviously, and we have some data there to discuss.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#11

Terrific. Thank you very much. Preston, is there anything else you'd like to add to your studies? Because otherwise, I think I'm going to move on to Dr. Budoff, and he can explain a bit of what he presented at the meeting. So we're going to move from the basic science to what I would call the translational research of looking at other intermediate markers of biological activity. Preston, is there anything more that you'd like to add from your work?

R. Preston Mason

attendee
#12

You're right -- spot on in terms of your interpretation. We clearly can link these differences in biologic activity to the basic physical/chemical properties. So these are -- each unique molecules, each possessing a unique array of physical and biological properties.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#13

Terrific. Matt, if you could give a brief summary of what you presented. And again, just to put it in context, you presented 2 pieces of information at the meeting, 2 separate abstracts. One, really, with a different analysis set of the 9-month interim results that you first presented at the American Heart Association a year ago. And then the other was looking at EPA levels in the context of the final results of the study. Could you explain each of those in turn and why you went back and looked at a different methodology, it's a 9-month interim as a starting point?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#14

Yes. So just as a big picture for those of you, if you're not familiar, we presented in -- at the European meeting in August, we presented our final results of the EVAPORATE trial, which was a serial study of CT angiography, looking at basically the same study design as REDUCE-IT with 4 grams of icosapent ethyl versus placebo, followed for 18 months, and we showed that plaque generally regressed under the influence of icosapent ethyl and progressed with placebo, and they were statistically different. And that was published in the European Heart Journal. So this was an analysis looking at some of the -- one of the -- the first one was looking at the vulnerable plaque features. So remember, we -- our hypothesis was always that because we have this multifactorial, this -- multiple effects of EPA on stabilizing the plaque. As Preston has so nicely demonstrated over and over again, we wanted to see if that translates into a clinical CT angiography. So we had this company called Elucid Bioimaging in Boston do some analysis in a blinded way, and they looked at plaque characteristics, including a lipid-rich necrotic core, so kind of the necrotic core, the fibrous-cap thickness. So the thicker the cap, the better, because that kind of stabilizes the plaque. And intraplaque hemorrhage. So 3 signs of plaque vulnerability, if you will, which plaques are more likely to be at risk? And they -- we gave them the data -- we gave them the 9-month data because that was what was available to us when they started their research. And this is -- so this is based on the baseline to 9 months. But they showed -- what we were able to show and present, that there was decreased lipid-rich necrotic core in the icosapent ethyl arm as compared to placebo. There was reduced intraplaque hemorrhage, and there was an increased cap thickness. So all 3 of those would tell us that the plaques are getting more stable under the influence of icosapent ethyl. And I think that -- that's really nice kind of further mechanistic understanding of the EVAPORATE changes and, of course, of the REDUCE-IT benefits.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#15

That's a terrific summary. And I think we'll come back to that when we ask Dr. Verma to present his findings. Because by seeing that already at 9 months, I think, Dr. Verma, you'll comment further on this. But you can see a separation in clinical outcomes by 12 months. So to be able to correlate some of the radiographic changes to then the clinical consequences of treatment, I think it's got to be reaffirming for everyone. But we'll come back to that in a minute. Matt, you also presented some data on EPA levels at the end of the study. Could you tell us a bit about that research?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#16

Yes. So based on Deepak's great work, looked at the ACC presenting on that serum EPA levels were associated with benefit, we looked at serum EPA levels to see if they translated into better plaque characteristics. So we basically correlated our serum EPA values to the plaque changes that we saw, and we saw basically that the plaque -- the higher the EPA levels were associated with improvements in multiple plaque types. So there was a direct relationship with EPA levels and plaque volume changes. So basically, again, just strengthening what we've seen from REDUCE-IT, and at least one of the mechanisms that we now understand is EPA levels on some of these variables.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#17

That's great, Matt. And again, I don't mean to put you on the spot. But did you have any sort of level that you thought was meaningfully important that correlated better or worse with outcomes? Because I know different formulations of omega-3s end up with different blood levels. And I'm not saying it's all about blood levels because I think there is something to the chemistry, whether it's a carboxylic acid or an ethyl ester, and even what excipients are being included with the identical formulations to lead the very different biology. But did you have any recollection of any of the EPA levels achieved that were associated with some of those effects?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#18

Yes. So the higher the level, the better the effect. And basically, once you achieve EPA levels well above 100, you start seeing more robust benefit on all of the plaque characterizations. And I think that's true as well in the REDUCE-IT EPA analysis, that as you go higher, you have better effects on basically every endpoint that we looked at in EVAPORATE -- I mean in REDUCE-IT as well.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#19

No, I agree on that. Dr. Bhatt, I don't know if you can recall because, again, I know I'm going to be pushing some of the -- some fact limits here. But the levels -- median levels or tertile levels of EPA achieved in REDUCE-IT. And -- because I think STRENGTH achieved some very different and much lower levels of EPA. And again, I'm not equilibrating a carboxylic acid EPA with an ethyl ester EPA because they're quite different biologically. But even just accrued levels of EPA achieved in the serum, do you have any recollection of those numbers?

Deepak Bhatt

attendee
#20

Yes. Absolutely. I think an important point, to make sure everyone understands, is I think it's interesting to talk about and to look at EPA levels as we did in REDUCE-IT EPA. But it's not necessarily the case that all EPA levels are created equal. It might matter how you get there, and it's equally likely that what matters, or perhaps it's more likely it matters, is the EPA that gets into the tissue. And that ultimately would be how the drug, whatever drug we're talking about in the omega-3 family, is exerting any benefit it might have. So while it's, I think, insightful talking to an extent about EPA levels, you got to put that all in context. But in REDUCE-IT EPA, I think the analysis is very pertinent for a number of reasons. What we found was, first of all, the starts -- at the beginning, that there was a very significant benefit with respect to giving icosapent ethyl, irrespective of the baseline EPA level. So that's an important message. Sometimes, patients think, oh, if I just eat a lot of fish, that will get me there. And while there might be health benefits to a diet -- high in fish intake, I don't think that, that's applicable to the patient with atherosclerosis or multiple risk factors where they're not going to get to the levels of EPA that were attained in REDUCE-IT. So irrespective of baseline EPA levels, we saw benefit. And then in terms of -- actually, in the trial, we achieved a pretty high levels of EPA. So the units are in micrograms per milliliter, although we're looking about serum EPA levels here. And the baseline in both arms is around 26 or so. And then over the course of the several year period, there's some variation from year-to-year. It was an average of about [ 140 to 160 ] or so, depending again on which [ lipid ] you actually look like -- look at. Obviously, in the placebo arm, the EPA level stayed right around that range, [ 26 or 25 ] or so. And in terms of percent increases, then we're talking about 400% or so increase. So really a large increase in percent, but I do think the better way to look at it is levels. I think the biology of omega-3 fatty acids is just fascinating. And honestly, I've learned a lot just being around Dr. Mason, let alone having the opportunity to collaborate with him. And I think there's a lot of sort of conversation about omega-3 fatty acids, but relatively a few people that understand how complex the science is. So it could be a matter of the achieved level, as we showed in EPA. But it could also be threshold effects, that is you have to get above a certain level. That, in part, might depend on where you start. So I don't know that it's necessarily nice linear relationships, but the level of serum EPA being achieved in REDUCE-IT is really quite high, higher than what has been seen in other trials with the omega-3 fatty acids. Also, it's the case that different end points seem to be affected at different levels of EPA. So end points such as revascularization seems to be in the achieved ranges in the REDUCE-IT trial, lower than, say, the level needed to impact heart failure. If you recall, in the overall REDUCE-IT trial, there wasn't a reduction in the endpoint of heart scale. Hazard ratio was less than 1, but it wasn't significant. But in REDUCE-IT EPA, we saw that the highest achieved levels on treatment serum EPA, there was a significant reduction in heart failure. So I don't think it's necessarily just a simple thing. But if you just get to this level, each end point and every patient is going to be reduced. I think there needs to be a substantial increase in EPA levels, a. But b, I think it also has to be above a certain threshold, and that threshold could be even higher for particular endpoints, heart failure being an example.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#21

That's a terrific tour de force, and thank you, Deepak, for that. Just to the point of reference, and again, all the comparisons aside, is that the levels achieved in the STRENGTH trial is according to the JAMA publication for a median of [ 90 ], which just to put it in context, is below the starting point of the Japanese patients in the JELIS study. So again, while preparation was delivered with Epanova in the STRENGTH trial, there was very -- not very much EPA, ultimately because the blood levels, and again, all the caveats aside with blood levels, but even the blood levels achieved were not very high. Matt, just speaking of Japanese, just to close out your comments. I know that the Japanese have published extensively on other imaging methodologies, both EPA preparations and mix omega-3 preparations. Can you comment on the overall takeaway from the effects seen in those, looking at the EPA versus the EPA/DHA mixtures?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#22

Yes, certainly. So if we -- EVAPORATE was a serial CT angiography trial. There was a similar trial that was done -- serial CT angiography trial that was done using EPA plus DHA. It was a 30-month trial and almost 300 subjects, so larger and longer than the EVAPORATE trial. And that trial demonstrated no benefit on any plaque volume across the board by being on a mixture of EPA plus DHA, so I think very concordant with what we've seen with STRENGTH, with what we've seen with OMEMI, what we've seen with 5 prior DHA/EPA mixtures. We now have 7 trials in a row that show that if we have EPA plus DHA, we don't reduce events. We have similar parallel data with EPA alone has a positive effect. The Japanese also did a trial called CHERRY, which was intravascular ultrasound, and showed that when we add EPA to a statin, there is more significant reduction in plaque based on the more invasive intravascular ultrasound imaging. So I think we have great concordance that EPA monotherapy has a positive effect on atherosclerosis, IVIS and CT, and combination therapy with EPA/DHA does not have a benefit. And there's no difference between the groups when you use a mixed EPA/DHA, which I think, again, goes back to a lot of Preston's work demonstrating the potential adverse effects of DHA on coronary plaque?

Craig Granowitz

executive
#23

Thank you, Matt. I'll just again ask one more detailed question. You may or may not have this information. But did any of those mixed EPA/DHA imaging studies mentioned anything about reduction in triglycerides or inflammatory markers?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#24

Yes. So there almost always is, especially within these trials, there is triglyceride lowering. I don't remember the exact number in the 2 trials I quoted, but both of them had positive effects on C-reactive protein and triglycerides with EPA and with EPA/DHA. So I think that our -- the effects that we see are independent of triglyceride lowering. I think that's been well demonstrated in REDUCE-IT as well as in other studies. And certainly, in my EVAPORATE trial, the triglyceride reduction was nominal. So the benefits that we saw were not related to triglyceride reduction. But we do see a reduction in CRP as well. And I do believe that an anti-inflammatory process is beneficial, in general, especially with pure EPA, as we've seen.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#25

Thank you, Matt. So we're going to pivot now to the clinical, but I just want to summarize a couple of the key points that were made by our first 2 presenters. I think Dr. Mason really gave a summary of some of the physical, biochemical and biological differences in experimental systems between EPA and EPA/DHA. Dr. Budoff mentioned that there are differences in the imaging with a pure EPA, the identical EPA preparation used in VASCEPA in the EVAPORATE trial, both at 9 months and then at 12 months. And then other data that has been done with other preparations in Japan and other places showed very similar results of correlating imaging with the JELIS trial in Japan or imaging with the REDUCE-IT study in the West. And again, to me, the STRENGTH result is no surprise based on that parallelism being extended to the impact on imaging at 30 months with a mixed DHA/EPA preparation and the fact that STRENGTH had no clinical outcome. If you don't see anything on plaque or plaque regression, you don't see the same kinds of effects in basic biological systems, why would anyone think that there would be a clinical outcome that would be seen in a large PVD outcome study. So again, I hope that, that provides people with some context as we now pivot in the second half of this program to some of the clinical data. With that, Dr. Verma, could you summarize the results that you found in your sub-analysis of REDUCE-IT?

Subodh Verma

attendee
#26

Sure. So first, let me start by just expressing my gratitude to Professor Deepak Bhatt and the REDUCE-IT Executive Committee and Steering Committee for this real privilege to be involved in a very important analysis from the REDUCE-IT trial called REDUCE-IT CABG. And as you've kindly already introduced me, I'm a cardiac surgeon at the University of Toronto in Toronto, Canada and also a professor at the University of Toronto, both in surgery and pharmacology. And it has been really a wonderful experience learning more about icosapent ethyl, both from a clinical standpoint and from a translational standpoint, as we just heard some wonderful new data. This compound is a -- it's are formidable antiatherosclerotic agent. It's like nothing we've seen before. Whether we understand the biological underpinnings or not is completely irrelevant, in my opinion, because at the end of the day, for the doctor or the surgeon or the cardiologist in the trenches who's trying to reduce risk for patients in front of them, they have to apply the clinical data, and they have to apply it in the most evidence-based and rigorous fashion to reduce events for those patients. And I think the meticulously done REDUCE-IT trial with the highly statistically significant P values, the change in Health Canada guidance that we've had, at least in our country, has really represented a sea change for our patients at high risk. And I personally think it has been a -- it is a privilege to have these kinds of strategies in our hands to reduce the risk of vulnerable patients at high-risk for cardiovascular events. So having said that, let me tell you a bit about the story of coronary artery bypass graft surgery and why we are so excited here in Canada in that regard. First and foremost, leading up to REDUCE-IT CABG, there were an assigned REDUCE-IT REVASC, which is another analysis that was presented by Dr. Ben Peterson and Professor Deepak Bhatt just recently at the SCAI meeting and then at TCT, that demonstrated that this strategy really prevented the need for new revascularization. So patients who had an MI or patients who had cardiovascular risk factors oftentimes require open heart surgery or require to get angioplasty or stent. And that is really the translational end point to what Dr. Budoff has been presenting in the EVAPORATE study, that if the therapy can slow or halt or regress the process of rust developing in the pipes or atherosclerosis, then the translational endpoint of that should be a reduction in the need for these highly invasive and costly procedures like angioplasty and surgery. And it turned out that, in fact, there was close to a 30% to 40% reduction in the need for angioplasty or the need for bypass surgery. In fact, at least in my career, I haven't seen any strategy that can mitigate the need for patients to undergo bypass surgery on top of statins by 40%. So we took one step further in the REDUCE-IT CABG analysis that was presented at the American Heart Association meeting a few days ago and asked the question, not about prevention of the need for bypass surgery, but what do we do for people who have had bypass surgery. And I think everyone would agree on this line, and I hope our listeners would agree as well, that having bypass surgery really represents a patient who is at significant atherosclerotic risk. They have to have a certain amount of risk to first require bypass surgery. And then once they have bypass surgery, their ongoing risk persists. They have risk of having a second heart attack, requiring revascularization and dying. And we are always looking for strategies to reduce that risk with lipid lowering. We're choosing the right drugs for diabetes, for weight reduction, sending people to cardiac rehab. We really pull out everything that we have in our toolbox to be able to prevent these individuals at high-risk from having a recurrent event. It's also a big investment from a health care system when we've invested in someone to need bypass surgery, want them to have fewer recurrent events. So under Professor Bhatt's guidance, we looked at the REDUCE-IT database in the about 1,800 patients in REDUCE-IT who had prior bypass surgery. And we looked at the patients who received either placebo or icosapent ethyl or VASCEPA. And what we found was that for the hard MACE outcome, which was the secondary outcome in the trial, which is the 3-point composite of either dying from a cardiovascular cause or having a heart attack or having a stroke, there was a 31% relative risk reduction. For the overall primary outcome of the trial, there was a 24% relative risk reduction. Now I want to just put that in context to everything else that we've seen in REDUCE-IT thus far. The relative risk reductions seem very consistent no matter how you slice and dice the data. But what is incredibly impressive in this analysis is that this population yields the highest absolute risk reduction of any of the analyses that have been presented thus far. The absolute risk reductions are in the order of 6%. And just to put that in context, that is greater than any novel antihyperglycemic therapy to treat diabetes. It's novel. It's just greater than things that we're seeing in low-dose rivaroxaban in the COMPASS trial, for example, it is higher, of course, than what we see with other lipid-lowering strategies, including PCSK9 inhibitors. So this represents really a game-changer, in my opinion, that you take people post bypass surgery, who are well treated, 90% of them are on lipid therapy. Their blood pressures are reasonably well treated. And now you can further reduce their absolute risk by 6%, with a number needed to treat of only 16 or 17. So I'm sure you can sense the excitement in my voice here because we don't have many tools in our toolbox to be able to really change the natural course and natural history of a patient following open heart surgery.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#27

Thank you for that great summary. I guess, Matt, you raised an important comment during your thoughts that there was actual -- if you compare the patient to their baseline, there was regression in some -- at least some of the parameters of plaque. Do you think that's consistent then or a part of why Dr. Verma just commented on why the event rate reduction, whether relative or absolute, was so large is that the plaque was stabilized, but in some cases, actually lessened during the course of treatment?

Matthew Budoff

attendee
#28

Yes. No, absolutely. And I think that when you look at the time course, I know Deepak showed with REDUCE-IT REVASC, in general, the time-to-benefit was 11 months, and we showed positive plaque changes as early as 9 months, that, that's very concordant with less plaque, more stable plaque. And the combination should lead to less events over time, less bypass grafting and less revascularization and, of course, less ischemic events as you stabilize the plaque.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#29

Terrific. I want to now move really to Professor Catapano. I think on this call, you had the privilege and opportunity to be a discussant of 2 important omega-3 studies that were presented at this meeting. The third was really looking at atrial fibrillation from the VITAL study, which was a primary prevention, really sort of population-based survey study, which I don't think we'll have the chance to talk much about today. But Professor Catapano, could you give your sort of takeaway observations that you made during the AHA meeting as a discussant of the OMEMI and of the STRENGTH trials?

Alberico Catapano

attendee
#30

Yes. I think in general, the take-on message from the discussion we had is -- I had is the following. There are several possibilities that might explain the discrepancies between REDUCE-IT and STRENGTH [ then ] OMEMI. By the way, STRENGTH and OMEMI, they go to the same end point -- result, although the population is quite different. Certainly, the OMEMI clarifies the concept that, that is not the population, in my view, that has been selected. Because in the OMEMI, all the patients had, had a recent myocardial infarction. Although they are quite old, but that was the point. So I don't think the different kind of population may explain the differences between REDUCE-IT and STRENGTH. What I think is one -- the difference, the biological difference, the biological effects of the different fatty acid, that in my view is the first plausible explanation for the differences between the trials. However, there are some other possible differences determinated to the dose. It might well be that also the dose and the levels achieved of EPA makes the difference. it was a highlighted just a few minutes ago, the levels in the STRENGTH were up to [ 90 ] in the -- as a median. In the REDUCE-IT were well above [ 140 ]. So it may well be that biologically, there is a threshold effect for the incorporation of these fatty acids into membranes that will elicit different results. Again, the window is open for the fact that DHA may not have major effects and may even counteract the positive effects of EPA, so this is another point. But in my view, the less possible effect is the one -- to explain the difference is the placebo effect. That was mentioned over and over. And I [ tend ] to believe this is not the case. With [ JELIS ] trial, the only limitation of that trial is not at the mineral or placebo, and then the results are exactly consistent with what has been seen in other studies with VASCEPA, so I think -- with EPA. So I think this is quite important point to bear in mind. Different drugs, different results.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#31

Thank you, Professor Catapano. Deepak, I'm going to put you on the spot again a bit and ask you -- I know there was a study that you pointed out to me recently that was done in Japan. With different formulations of identical or purportedly identical EPA molecules, since there are generic EPA molecules in Japan as well as the innovator, I believe that was -- the principal -- or first author was [ SUA ]. Could you describe those results as well?

Alberico Catapano

attendee
#32

Okay. What I'm saying is the way fatty acid -- especially this long-chain of [ wholly ] saturated fatty acid that's prepared, you have to go very careful to it because obstruction from other resources has some key points that needs to be well conducted. And if you make it -- that with procedures, that will not allow you to get, really, of the carryovers that you have, especially when you get something from marine sources, fish. You make the -- well carryover contaminants that may not give you a good result, [ thinking, yes, from ] the clinical point of view.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#33

Thank you very much. And...

Deepak Bhatt

attendee
#34

Yes, I agree with everything Dr. Catapano has said. And this particular study you were citing, that specific formulation just didn't achieve what it was supposed to in terms of EPA levels. And I think this really points to the fact that if you studied one preparation, you've studied one preparation, you really can't extrapolate across different ones. The STRENGTH trial that you're discussing, I think, is a really well done, important study. And I congratulate those investigators. And what it has shown us is definitive evidence that, that particular product doesn't work, despite lowering triglycerides. So to me, that's actually an enormous scientific contribution. Despite being able to lower triglycerides significantly, the drug is still completely unable to influence ischemic events in aggregate, isolated end point, secondary end points despite causing atrial fibrillation. So the science there is fascinating. And it really tells us, I think, if you've got a particular compound, and that was a mixture of different omega-3 fatty acids in Epanova. But even if you got a compound that is ostensibly just in EPA, the proportion of EPA might vary at the levels of EPA that may achieve, and blood or tissue may vary. The degree of oxidation may vary. Dr. Mason's work has shown this before, that depending on the preparation, various omega-3 fatty acids can be -- and other fatty acids that might be in preparations are subject to oxidation. And this can undo any benefit that might otherwise have been expected to accrue. In fact, it might even help negate some benefit of other compounds within the preparation that might have otherwise been beneficial. So I think in medicine, we often like to oversimplify things and just put things in a class, right? Statins are a class. SGLT2 inhibitors are a class. Sometimes that's right, and sometimes that's wrong. But in the case of omega-3 fatty acids, even if we're speaking specifically about EPA preparations, it's much more intricate and complicated than that.

Subodh Verma

attendee
#35

May I just add another comment, Craig? It's Dr. Verma here, if I could.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#36

Please.

Subodh Verma

attendee
#37

I'd like to really strongly echo what Professor Bhatt just said, and that is -- and draw some parallels, at least, for your viewers and listeners to think about. And there's lots of examples where so-called agents within the same class behave differently. And one that comes to mind recently is the GLP-1 RAs. They're very large class of agents that stimulate GLP-1 and are used in diabetes and have been studied in large cardiovascular outcome trials. And some of them have -- all of them actually have similar effects on glucose lowering. Similar to how Epanova and VASCEPA have similar effects on triglyceride lowering. All of them have similar effects on weight. But there are differences with respect to cardiovascular outcome trials. Lixisenatide in the ELIXA trial, in a very high-risk population of patients, showed no benefit on major adverse cardiovascular events despite the fact that it belongs to a GLP-1 RA class and has similar pharmacology with respect to reducing glucose and with respect to reducing weight. And that's in contrast to other products that have actually slightly different pharmacological properties that have actually been shown to have benefit. So I think this should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone that just because one trial is neutral and the other trial is positive, that, that in no way either negates or strengthens anyone's position in any way other than saying that pharmacology is at action here. And really, the differences in the pharmacological properties are the reasons why we have these differences. And I think for -- at the end of the day, for the doctor who's taking care of patients, right? Let's bring it back to them. This is such great news that STRENGTH is being neutral, tells us that one strategy doesn't work, and REDUCE-IT being positive that tells us that one strategy works, it provides the doctor with the clear direction that they need to be able to reduce the risk for their patients.

Deepak Bhatt

attendee
#38

And I think there's oftentimes a reinventing of the wheel every few years. I think a lot of people have forgotten about the CAST trial in the early 1990s. And that was a trial that looked at extra heartbeats, PVCs, as they're called. And there's no question that after a heart attack, you're having more PVCs, you do worse. It's a good marker of risk. And it's logical to think reducing PVCs would therefore also be good. But that study examined a drug encainide, and as it turned out, there was an increase in mortality with the drug, though it was very effective in suppressing PVCs. And triglycerides are a nice marker of risk. That is true. But as a target for therapy, I think STRENGTH very nicely shows that even if you can reduce triglycerides, that per se doesn't translate into risk reduction. And you just can't rely on surrogate markers. Ultimately, if you really want to see if something works, you have to do a large long-term trial, randomized patients and see what happens.

Subodh Verma

attendee
#39

I think we can agree that in all these trials with omega-3, the effect on triglycerides is probably -- is not the driving force for reducing events. This is something we can agree. And even if you look at the [ GLP ] reduction, this is minor. However, please look at several papers, including [ medical randomization ] study that has been published, that indicated to get to the similar effect to 1 million more reduction of LDL, that is about 22% reduction [ in cardiovascular event ], it will need to reduce roughly to at least 200 milligrams per deciliter. So I don't think we can [ discount it. These are -- it's a ] truly a risk factor, causal risk factor. However, under the circumstances of this trial with the reduction we see of triglycerides, certainly the triglyceride reduction is now the driving force.

Craig Granowitz

executive
#40

Very well stated. I'm going to just summarize right now, because I know we are at the limits of our time, is I hope that this session with this wonderful faculty who have such complementary perspectives and data sets shows that there are differences in biochemistry, in biology at the cellular level. There are differences at the level of the plaque and plaque biology and morphology. And those all directly correlate in the case of icosapent ethyl in the VASCEPA formulation with clinical outcomes achieved in REDUCE-IT. I think also, we've been able to clearly show that different formulations, particularly mixed omega-3s, do not provide those same benefits in cardiovascular outcomes, and they are consistent in their negativity, as consistent in their negativity as icosapent ethyl. VASCEPA is in its positivity across basic biology, across translational research and across large outcome studies. So I think to me, the data is all entirely consistent that STRENGTH delivered exactly what one would expect based on the basic scientific hypothesis, that REDUCE-IT delivered exactly what we'd expect studying this form of icosapent ethyl. And I'll take one last leap forward, is that on the basis of even differences in formulations of icosapent ethyl, it's very likely that different results will be achieved based on different excipients, different levels of oxidation and different levels of other smaller amounts of inevitable constituents in those formulations as derived from a natural product. So with that, I'd like to close this wonderful session. I wanted to thank our tremendous panelists who are joining us literally from most of -- across the globe, from Milano, Italy, from Boston, in the East Coast, from Toronto and from California. I wanted to say thank you all very much. Have a wonderful day. Bye.

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