Amundi S.A. ($AMUN)

Good morning. I'm Cyril Meilland, I'm Head of Investor Relations at Amundi, and it's a real pleasure like every quarter to welcome you at this video conference to present our first quarter results. We are here in Paris, where it is sunny and gorgeous. And we shall have a presentation by our Deputy CEO, Nicolas Calcoen; and our CFO, Aurelia Lecourtier. Presentation should last approximately half an hour and will be followed by a Q&A session. If you want to ask a question, please raise your hand virtually as you are online, and we shall give you -- we should open your mic. And there will be a slight delay. We have changed slightly the setup. So before you can start talking, you will have to accept being a panelist, open your mic, open your camera and then start your question. Otherwise, we won't be hearing you from the very first moment you start talking. Before we get started, sorry about this again, a short disclaimer. Throughout the presentation, we will make a number of forward-looking statements and mention forecasts. We call your attention to the fact that Amundi's actual results may differ from these statements. Some of these factors that may cause the results to differ materially are listed in our Universal Registration Document, which we published on the 31st of March. Amundi assumes no duty and does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements. I also wanted to highlight a few changes to our disclosure that you might have to keep in mind when reading our results. There will be no contribution to -- from ICG in the adjusted figures. There are a few moving parts in the accounting P&L, but no impact on our adjusted results. We won't give any details about our JVs because SBI FM, as you know, is in the process of being listed, and therefore, we cannot give you any details, sorry about this. As long as this IPO process will be ongoing, we cannot publish any disclosure about this JV. And we have simplified the disclosure by clients with only 2 major client segments, retail and institutional. Finally, we have transferred the employee savings, AUM and net flows from institutional to retail because we consider that it's a better depiction of these client segments. And now I leave the floor to Nicolas for the presentation.

Thank you very much, Cyril, and good morning, everyone. I'm very pleased to share our financial results for the first quarter of 2026 with Aurelia. I will present our key highlights before Aurelia takes you through our activity and financial results in more detail. So to start in the first quarter, we delivered a strong activity with net inflows for the quarter totaling EUR 32 billion. Inflow was positive across all client segments and came almost entirely from medium to long-term assets. Third-party distribution, in particular, reached a record inflows at EUR 22 billion. As a consequence, our assets under management were EUR 2.4 trillion at the end of March, up by 7% on a year-on-year basis and around 1% quarter-on-quarter. Second point, this activity translated into strong growth in profit. Net income for the quarter was EUR 349 million and earnings per share at EUR 1.69, both up by 15%. And third main point, we made good progress against our invest for the future ambitions. I'm going now to share some more detail on the positive commercial momentum seen across clients and solutions. But before technology revenues increased to EUR 31 million, up over 20% on a year-over-year basis. This was mainly driven by license revenue growth, up 27%. And finally, in terms of geographies, Northern Europe stood out once again with EUR 13 billion of inflows. And these inflows were very well diversified by country with the United Kingdom, Germany, Belgium or Sweden, all demonstrating the positive effect on our strategy to grow our market share in the region. Let's now take a closer look at the strong momentum we have seen in the 2 priority client areas we highlighted at the Investor Day. The first is retirement, where we have created a new business line. Total retirement-related inflows in the first quarter were EUR 5 billion. We won in particular, several new retirement-focused mandates across institutional and corporate clients as well as retail partner starting to generate recurring inflows. We were also selected for 2 major DC mandates, the first with a large German company and the second with the South Korean Chaebol, both not yet funded. We also further expanded our partnership with true potential in the U.K., and we will manage its growth aligned fund range, a core building block of its retirement offering. We also saw some initial inflows from Ireland's new enrollment pension scheme, a mandate we won in the first quarter, and we already mentioned. And finally, in Italy, where we are already a retirement leader, we launched a web-based pension investment advisory platform called PensioNEXT to capture structural growth in defined contribution savings. Moving now to digital distribution, which represents one of our fastest-growing client segments, we saw inflows of around EUR 2 billion in the first quarter. During the quarter, we established a new pan-European distribution partnership with Bitpanda, the largest digital asset trading platform in Europe with 7 million users. Here, we are supporting the diversification of the platform into ETFs, and we are strengthening our own reach across digitally native retail investors. The first quarter saw also strong inflows and continued innovation across all solutions. On ETF, first, we gathered EUR 16 billion in the first quarter, supported by continued market share gains in European ETFs. We also secured 2 new clients for our ETF as a Service proposition, one in Germany, the other in Belgium with both mandates focused on creative active ETFs. We also launched new products, including an active ETF that provides diversified exposure to investment-grade euro corporate bonds. Here, we are clearly drawing on Amundi's established euro credit expertise, where we manage around EUR 360 billion. On last Friday, you probably noticed we launched a Bitcoin exchange traded product. Listed on Euronext, this ETP relies exclusively on European partners and is compliant with the European regulatory framework. In private assets, now we generated EUR 3 billion of inflows in the first quarter. This includes a EUR 350 million multi-management mandate from CCR, the French public reinsurance company, as well as investment from Credit Agricole Assurance, including initial commitments into ICG strategies. Aurelia will provide a quick update on our ICG stake building, where we expect to reach our target of 9.9% in the third quarter. Moving to active management next, where we posted EUR 7 billion of inflows driven by multi-asset strategies on fixed income, including EUR 1 billion in securitization inflows. During the quarter, we were also recognized as the preferred brand among fund selectors in France and the highest ranked European brand in Europe. And finally, responsible investment. Last week, it was announced that Amundi will act as a sole asset manager for the global green bond initiative, a European-led coalition designed to mobilize private institutional capital for climate and environmental projects, particularly in emerging markets. The fund targets EUR 3 billion in assets and aims to code in private capital alongside development finance institutions. In the meantime, our responsible investment and engagement policy continues to scale, reaching close to 3,000 issuers in 2025. These figures has doubled over the last 5 years and now covers 95% of the MSCI World Index. With that, I will now hand over to Aurelia, who will take you through the first quarter's activity and results in more detail.

Good morning, and thank you, Nicolas. Let's start by looking at our Q1 activity. So at the end of March, our assets under management totaled EUR 2.4 trillion, up 7% year-on-year and 1% over the quarter. Q1 saw both a negative market effect of EUR 13 billion and EUR 1 billion in FX impact, mainly due to the depreciation of the Indian rupee. The increase in our AUM was entirely driven by very strong asset gathering with net inflows of EUR 32 billion. This reflects our ability to grow even in a tougher economic environment. Total net inflows in Q1 were driven by medium to long-term assets, which contributed EUR 31 billion. This represented growth of 7% on an annualized basis. These inflows are higher than Q1 2025, which, as a reminder, included the positive impact of a GBP 20 billion equity index mandate with The People's Pension in the U.K. As mentioned by Nicolas, Q1 saw high ETF and index solution inflows, continued positive momentum in active management and EUR 3 billion of net inflows in private assets. Even when taking into account market conditions later in the quarter, our MLT flows remained positive in March across both ETF and actively managed strategies. Investment performance next. So the message here is consistency. On a 5-year basis and even when considering the volatile macro environment, 76% of our funds outperformed their benchmark. 3/4 of assets in our open-ended funds are in the first and second quartile based on Morningstar rankings. Let me now comment on our net inflows by client segments. Please note that we have transferred the AUM inflows of our employee savings and retirement business line from institutional to the retail segment. While our direct client for this business are companies, we manage assets on behalf of their employees. It is, therefore, closer in nature to a retail business. This activity represents around EUR 100 billion in assets and 2025 figures have been restated accordingly. So let's start with retail, where net inflows totaled over EUR 13 billion. These were driven by record Q1 inflows of EUR 22 billion in third-party distribution. Outflows from UniCredit were EUR 9 billion, and the AUM stood at EUR 75 billion at the end of March. Credit Agricole and Societe Generale insurers delivered EUR 8 billion in MLT asset inflows. This reflected continued appetite for euro contracts as well as diversification of Credit Agricole Assurance investments highlighted by Nicolas earlier. Finally, our associates also performed well. All of our Asian JVs posted positive inflows even when considering the market environment, the FX backdrop and the usual savings flows seasonality. Let's now look at our results for Q1. So before we start, let me just highlight that these pro forma figures reflect the usual restatements post Victory Capital closing. So our revenue stood at EUR 902 million in the first quarter, up 10% year-on-year and driven by our management revenues, which were up 14%. Net management fees rose 6% to EUR 782 million, reflecting our strong asset gathering. Performance fees reached a very high level of EUR 87 million. Technology revenues increased to EUR 31 million, up 21% year-on-year and supported by strong growth in license revenues, their recurring components. Project revenues were seasonally lower at 22% of total revenues versus 40% in Q4. Net financial income was EUR 3 million, down year-on-year, and this reflected lower rates over 1 year due to the 1 point cut in the ECB rate as well as the impact of the decline in markets in the first quarter. Turning now to costs. So adjusted operating expenses were EUR 455 million in the first quarter, up 9% year-on-year. This increase was slightly below revenue growth, reflecting the strong business momentum, our ongoing investment to support our strategic ambitions as well as our continued cost discipline. As a result, our adjusted cost/income ratio improved slightly to 50.4%. Moving now to profitability. Gross operating income grew by 10%, driven by the growth of our business-related revenues. We also benefited from the strong contribution from our associates in the quarter, up 33%. The contribution of our Asian joint venture was up 4% year-on-year and would have been up 19% at constant rupee. The contribution from Victory Capital was EUR 37 million, reflecting the positive synergies delivered by this partnership. Net income was then EUR 349 million, up 15% year-on-year. As in Q1 last year, this includes the corporate tax surcharge in France amounting to EUR 46 million. And adjusted earnings per share also increased by 15% year-on-year to EUR 1.69. Before I hand over to Nicolas, let me give you a quick update on our partnership with ICG. So in February, we obtained all regulatory approvals. This meant that as of 31st of March, ICG was able to appoint an Amundi nominated Non-Executive Director with CIO, Vincent Mortier, joining the Board. From this date, we also technically began to equity account for our stake. As you can see in our adjusted P&L statement, ICG is currently only reflected through accounting adjustments. These adjustments do not represent ICG's underlying profitability. And from the second quarter, we will start recognizing ICG's actual contribution to adjusted net income. The final step is for ICG to issue nonvoting shares to Amundi to take us to our target stake of 9.9%. As a reminder, they will do so while buying back an equivalent amount of ordinary shares in the market to avoid dilution. As of last week, our stake stood at around 6%, and we expect to complete our stake building during the third quarter. I thank you for your attention. And now we'll hand back to Nicolas.

Thank you, Aurelia. Before we start the Q&A, some brief concluding remarks. As you have seen, the first quarter represented a very good start to 2026 with high levels of activity and strong results. Momentum was strong across all client segments, asset classes and geographies, even in the uncertain environment seen in March. And the positive contribution from the strategic growth areas presented in our Invest for the Future '28 plan were particularly encouraging, demonstrating their relevance and boding well for the future. And I'm also pleased to confirm that our share buyback program is well underway. We have executed almost 1/3 of the program as of today, representing just over EUR 150 million. We expect to complete the program around the third quarter as planned. Thank you for your attention.

Thank you, Nicolas. Thank you, Aurelia. We can now start the Q&A session. And as I said earlier, you can raise your hand if you have a question to ask. I will then put you in the panelists, you have to accept being a panelist, open your mic, open your camera and then start talking.

We start with Jacques-Henri Gaulard from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Am I supposed to ask a question now because it disappeared -- the whole thing disappeared for a minute basically. Just one question really. Well done for the results this morning. you end up now for the second time in a row with a cost/income ratio, which is much closer to 50% than the target, which I think is lower than 56% in '28. Have you been really been conservative in putting that target. Or is it still linked to UniCredit where you believe there is still a couple of basis points of percentage that you're likely to effectively lose in which case you're, I would say, happy with the guidance so far? Are you basically positively surprised versus what you were expecting?

Jacques-Henri, so on your question, we have 50.4% cost/income ratio, which is driven for the quarter by the very good performance in our revenues as well as our, I would say, day-to-day cost discipline. Coming to our guidance, no new guidance. We stick to the objective that we set in our Capital Market Day. So 56% of cost income, which, as it was said at the Capital Market Day is a cap maximum. And whatever the scenarios is on UniCredit, so we stick and no new guidance on this cost/income ratio target.

We can now move to Hubert Lam from Bank of America.

Hopefully, you can hear me. I've got 3 questions. Firstly, on ETFs, very good strong flow momentum you're having there in the last few quarters. Can you talk about what's driving that? And can you also talk about the mix within the ETFs flows? How much of it is from like lower-margin passive funds versus like higher margin like thematic funds? Second question is on retail flows. I know you don't really disclose anymore, but if you back out the retail flows, I think the French network had outflows in the quarter. Anything you can talk about around that? And lastly, on -- a question on the outlook for your private credit products with ICG and into the retail channel. Just given the concerns of the market on this asset class, any change in terms of thinking about when these products could be launched and any change in appetite from your client base on this.

You start with the flows in French.

Yes. Hubert, starting on your question on French networks. Actually, flows were positive in the quarter and positive especially on MLT, so medium to long-term assets. Positive flows in MLT driven mainly by very good business momentum on unit-linked life contracts, so in active management and as well as passive products. Whereas we saw outflows on structured product due to the maturity of product that we had launched in 2022.

Maybe on the other question. So on the ETF momentum, it's quite diversified. So it remained mainly passive management. And even if we launch new funds, as we mentioned, it remained mainly passive ETF flows, but quite diversified. So in terms of the margin, I would say, in line with the average margin of the business line. And regarding your last question on the outlook with ICG. As you remember, we are working to launch 2 evergreen funds based on ICG expertise. The first one is a fund in equity secondaries, and it's progressing well, and we plan to launch it in the third quarter. On the second one regarding private debt, we are still working to -- on the optimal structuration of this fund, also taking into account the Generale context, but working well with ICG to design these new products. And in parallel, we are also considering other initiatives and looking at other expertise managed by ICG. And as we mentioned earlier on, Credit Agricole Assurance has already committed to investment in ICG strategies.

We move now to a question from Arnaud Giblat from BNP Paribas.

Hopefully, you can hear me. I have got 3 questions, please. Firstly, can you come to the EUR 9 billion of outflows in Q1 at UniCredit. That's quite substantial. I'm just wondering what the outlook there. I mean, should we think about that rate of outflows in the coming quarters? And are UniCredit then paying you penalty fees for the fact that they're probably not delivering the share of revenues that they're committed to. My second question is on retail generally. I mean, if I think about -- you've disclosed EUR 13 billion of inflows into retail, EUR 9 billion out coming out of UniCredit, EUR 20 billion or so coming from ETF and passive. I'm just wondering what the incremental revenues from these flows are because I'd assume that the outflows from the revenues coming out of UniCredit more than compensate the inflows coming from ETF. So I'm just wondering what we should be thinking about revenue margins given the negative mix shift that's probably happening there? And my third question is on technology. I mean, ALTO is quite lumpy. I'm just wondering what the ARR or the ACV, so the recurring revenues are growing at.

Arnaud, so on your first question, UniCredit saw EUR 9 billion outflows for the quarter. As you recall, we committed to full transparency on the flows. So at the end of the quarter, our AUM with UniCredit stand -- stood at EUR 75 billion. No guidance for 2026. On penalty fee, same, we do not comment on specific conditions with our partners. Then on your second question, on the retail, actually, yes, as we said, so we don't disclose any quarterly margin, and we don't steer our margins. One thing is maybe that the clients -- both the client mix and the product mix is, I would say, in the same trends as what we saw in the recent quarters. So probably a slight impact on our margins with more flows into passive than into active, obviously. But as we also recall each time we speak about the margin is that our operating margin is at one of the best in the industry at 50%. So all our expertise remain profitable when it comes to our bottom line. And on technology, so technology overall, the revenues grew by 21% year-on-year. This growth, as I mentioned earlier, is mainly driven by license fees that were up 27% year-on-year. When we look at project fees, there is a bit more of seasonality on those fees. They were very high in the fourth quarter, as you can remember, because we onboarded a lot of new clients. There is no material changes, I would say, in our clients in this quarter. That's why our project revenues are stable year-on-year. But all in all, still a good increase of our tech revenues, and we stick to our objective for '28, which is doubling the level of revenues versus '24.

If I can just try again on the penalty fees. Normally, I mean, if I understood well, the contract with UniCredit that's been going on for some time is they pay penalty fees if they don't deliver the vast majority of flows and otherwise, it's penalty fees of gross flows. Is that how it works without commenting on whether there was penalty fees or not? Is that how the contract works?

As already explained, I think you can understand that considering you are talking about confidential information between ourselves and the partner, we cannot disclose that.

The next question will come from Michael Werner from UBS.

Two questions from me, please. First, thank you for the disclosures going back last year in terms of the change in AUMs and flows based on ESR. Can you just provide a little bit of color as to how or if there's any change in the retail management fee margins versus institutional management fee margins now that, that, let's call it, about EUR 100 billion or so of AUMs have migrated over. And then second, with regards to the Credit Agricole Assurances investment in the, I guess, it was EUR 350 million, I believe, in the ICG strategies. Is that something that Amundi is monetizing directly? And if so, I mean, I don't need specific details, I'm sure you're not going to provide that. But just from a high-level perspective, how does Amundi benefit that from a P&L perspective.

Michael, I will take the question on ESR. So we moved our ESR expertise from institutional to retail because we feel it's more close to the retail business. And this is also true for margins because the margin of ESR are much more close to the average margin of our retail business. So the impact of this movement actually is about less than 1 point of decrease in our total retail margin. And looking at institutional business, there, the impact is of less than 3 points of decrease also on the institutional business. And as I remind that the margin -- the overall margin of Amundi, of course, is unchanged and at 15.9%.

And regarding your second question, which was related, I think, to the investment from Credit Agricole Assurance in ICG expertise. As you know or maybe you don't, but we are the selectors and manager or selectors of -- for the investment made by Credit Agricole Assurance. And so we are the one selecting the expertise on making the due diligence on account of Credit Agricole Assurance when they invest in expertise managed by specialist providers. It's a case, generally speaking, it's a case with ICG. So as for any investment made by our Credit Agricole Assurance in external -- in installed managers, we are involved. We are doing the due diligence. We are doing the risk monitoring of the investment, and we are remunerated for this activity.

And just to clarify on the fee margins. When you say by 1 point and 3 points, do you mean by 0.1 basis points or by 0.3 basis points.

Compared to the average basis point of the client segment.

The next question comes from Pierre Chedeville.

First question, you mentioned quite a good resilience in terms of net inflows in March. I was curious to know as you are a European asset manager, if you've seen in terms of risk appetite or risk aversion, some differences between some countries where you are particularly present or if it's a general behavior of your client or if you have seen geographical behavior institutional or retail? Second question, I'm sorry to admit my ignorance, but I don't know what you mean by project products in Amundi Technology. I understand what is a license. But can you give me an example of what is a project, what you sell as a project, I don't see that. What do you mean there? And my last question is related to a report from Boston Consulting Group, which recently released its annual report on asset management businesses. And it was focusing on AI, of course, because it's a central theme and said that asset manager, generally speaking, were a little bit late. And they said that they were seeing within 5 years, potential economies from 25% to 40% of cost base, which seems to be a very high number. I wanted to know what is your view on that, if it's just a stupid consulted number or if it's something that you imagine possible. And I thank you for your answer.

Okay. So on your various answers in terms of flows and what we are seeing, as we mentioned, we have been seeing a slowdown in March, but flows remain positive, in particular, positive including in long-term assets and including in active management. and preliminary data that we have on April are in the same trend, remain positive. That said, we see from some clients a bit more risk aversion to wait-and-see mode, at least from some clients and to come more specifically to your questions. I would say it's not coming from a specific region or area, but globally, so trends that remain positive, but some wait-and-see mode from some clients. Your second question, just to explain very briefly, when we say project revenues, it's projects that are linked to, in particular, the onboarding of a new client or the deployment of a new solution for an existing client. You know the model of this activity. You have ongoing fees when the software, when the solution is running, but you have also project fees to implement the solution in a new client or a new solution to a client. And regarding your last question on artificial intelligence, it is clearly something we are working -- and looking at very carefully and working very intensely. As we explained during the Medium-Term Plan Day, at the Investor Day, we had a progressive approach as the first step was to deploy a secured in-house proprietary platform to give access to this tool in a secure manner and to give it access to all our employees. It has been deployed for all our employees, I think, at the end of last summer. And build on that, we are combining a bottom-up approach, helping and incentivizing, I would say, every teams to develop new application, new use case. And we are complementing that by a more -- and we are entering into that phase, complement this kind of, I would say, more bottom-up approach, more experimental approach to a more top-down approach focusing on key processes we want to transform. And that's where we want to have -- we say today, we have around 20 applications. The target is to have 50 applications by end of '26. And we will focus on the areas where we see the most potential gains either in terms of efficiency or in terms of quality of delivery or time to market for delivery. And for example, in the area of IT development, for example, we are making good progress to implement and to use this tool and to be much more productive. So in terms of gain, where we will be deploying such approach, probably we can gain 15%, 20% of productivity gain. But as always at Amundi, we are constantly working on our efficiency, on our productivity, thanks to AI or thanks to other levers and redeploying these priorities into investment in our growth areas.

Thank you, Pierre. The next question will come from Sharath from Deutsche Bank. Sharath, I think that you can, again, open your mic and camera?

I have 3, please. Firstly, on the India IPO, I'm not sure how much you can comment, but would a listing by end June still be the base case if things go on track? And also on the sizable capital gains, any update on what it could be used for? Would it go towards your M&A buffer? Or are you thinking about distributing this? Second is on financial income. Could you clarify the reasons for the minus EUR 85 million reported figure within net financial revenues? Is it mainly related to ICG? Would it be reversed in the second quarter once you start consolidating? And also, what do you think is a sustainable run rate on an adjusted basis, assuming stable ECB rates? I know consensus is around EUR 10 million per quarter. And finally, on performance fees, can you clarify if there was any front-loading of performance fees? I know Q2 and Q4 are typically more stronger seasonally. So anything there on the Q1 figure.

Okay. I will answer to the first question and let Aurelia take the following one. So SBI FM IPO, the project is well underway. As you probably know, the draft prospectus has been released published in March and is still under review by SEBI, by the market authority. And we expect to -- there's no precise date, but we still expect subject to market conditions to launch the IPO in the coming months. And in terms of the use of proceeds, no change there. It will contribute to rebuild our capital position. And the priority is to use this capital -- the excess capital to do M&A. But if we don't find opportunities during the plan, we keep the flexibility to return it to shareholders.

On your question on the financial income drop due to ICG mark-to-market. So it is not in our adjusted figures. All what's related to ICG has been adjusted, so not in our adjusted net income and only in accounting where we had several technical operations, I would say. The impact of ICG on our adjusted net income and the profitability of ICG will be reflected starting Q2 in our adjusted net income. And coming to your question on performance fees. So we had an exceptional level of performance fees at EUR 87 million over the quarter, thanks to a number of funds, basically coming from a global multi-asset strategy. But as you know, in terms of performance fees, past performances are not indicative of future ones.

Follow-up on the financial income. So I understood it is one figures. But what I wanted to understand that delta between tested and reported is only related policy available in the second quarter?

Sorry, the line is very poor. I don't know why, but -- we couldn't get your question, sorry. The line was not very good.

We couldn't get your question, sorry. The line was not very good.

I'll try again. Is it better now?

It's a bit better.

Sorry for that. So on the financial income, I understood that the difference was between your reported and adjusted figures. What I wanted to get to was the difference wasn't only related to ICG and will it be reversed in the second quarter?

If I understand well correctly, the question was, is the difference between the financial income and accounting revenues and adjusted revenues was totally related to ICG, then it's the case...

Because it's net financial income and other income, and it does include the amortization of distribution agreements, et cetera. So you have a full detail in the -- what we call the -- well, in the appendix, basically, you have the detail of everything that goes in that line. So you have minus EUR 68 million from -- out of memory from ICG and additional charges related to the amortization I was referring to. But you can find the slides as well as the press release for the detail or we can take it offline and run you through the details. Thank you, Sharath. We will take the next question from Nicholas Herman from Citi. Nicholas, you should be able to on your mic and camera.

Can you hear me? Very good. I mean my camera is not really working right now, so you'll have to do without the video. Just most of my questions have been asked, but just 3 remaining. On alternatives, the multi-management mandate with CCR, is this kind of a one-off? I'm not talking about CCR specifically, but I guess, should we be expecting -- are you seeing more engagement from your institutional clients for your alternative multi-management products. Just interested in kind of trends there. Sticking with alternatives performance, still seems pretty limited. Could you disaggregate some of the moving parts there across the different sub-asset classes, please, be it across real estate, private credit, other private assets and alternatives. And I guess within that, do you have commodity funds and assets in there as well, which I guess should have seen strong performance effect, if so? And then finally, could you please just give us an update on the momentum and outlook for your BOC Wealth Management JV, please.

So on private asset -- first question on private assets. So CCR is not a one-off. It's a good example of a recognized institutional client going to Amundi and Amundi and Amundi Alpha Associates to delegate a fund. But we, of course, have a strong, I would say, engagement with many other clients. So no specific one-off, and we are seeing good traction for our expertise. Looking back at the numbers of the first quarter, in terms of asset classes within the private asset space, if I understand well, it's quite diversified. There was good momentum in -- generally speaking, it was mainly multi-management. But within multi-management, a good contribution from private debt from insure clients, including Credit Agricole Assurance, but also some going to private equity and infrastructure. Momentum is not the same for real estate. And we don't manage commodity funds. So I think it was another of your question. And regarding the partnership, the momentum with BOC, we saw some outflows in the first quarter because we had a lot of funds coming to -- still a relatively significant amount of funds coming to maturity. But I would say the outlook for the rest of the year is positive.

If I could just quickly have a quick follow-up on that. In terms of the performance -- sorry, apologies for not being clear, performance of the alternatives, I actually meant in terms of the market effects. So it did look like the market effects within private assets and alternatives was very muted. So I was just asking if you could provide some kind of indication of what's going on there, where you are seeing kind of the gives and the takes and what's kind of -- whether you're seeing any improvements within that?

There was no significant move in terms of market effect in the private asset space, still probably on some funds are expected negative on the real estate side. And I think I'm turning to Aurelia, I don't know if she has the detail, but neutral to slightly positive on other asset classes. Nothing significant.

Okay. Thank you, Nick. The last question so far will come from Johann Scholtz. I don't know if I'm pronouncing well, sorry, but you should be able to open your mic and camera.

Yes. Yes. Thanks for the good result to be honest. So I've got 2 to 3 questions. So first one, like recently, you have announced to the management -- to us that you have increased the exposure in the U.S. So like in the recent quarters, you have mentioned that 25% of your allocation is to the U.S. in the total AUM. So what's the current percentage? Is there any increase? Or is there any decrease. The second one is with regard to the technology business. So there are 2 businesses in that one. So I want to know the margin profile in both the business in the project business or in the, you can say, ongoing license fees. And yes, so that's 2 questions that I want to ask.

So your first question was related to U.S. exposure in general.

In general, the AUM deployment, yes.

If I may, in terms of clientele, as we know, following the transaction with Victory, we don't address directly any clients in the U.S. the clients are Victory clients. In terms of exposure in terms of the assets we manage, I think it's around 20% of our assets, the assets that we manage that are, I would say, U.S. assets. Your second question was regarding the margin in license and build. We don't provide a specific detail. But it's obviously a positive margin, they intend to be a bit higher for license than build.

I think it was the last question, unless there is any second thoughts. Otherwise, we can turn to Nicolas and Aurelia for any concluding remarks or...

Just to thank you for your participation and looking forward to meet again in a few months to present our second quarter results. Thank you.

Have a nice day.