Andromeda Metals Limited (ADN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 1, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the market briefing for Andromeda Metals Limited regarding changes in its executive management. [Operator Instructions] Speaking at today's market briefing will be Mick Wilkes, the Chair of Andromeda. He will be followed by Rob Katsiouleris, Andromeda's CEO and Managing Director; and then Luke Anderson. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. Mick Wilkes, the Chair of Andromeda. Please go ahead.
Michael Wilkes
executiveGood afternoon, everybody, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the executive changes at Andromeda that were announced this morning. I wanted to first say that we are continuing with the business plan as we have set out in recent times in progressing towards development and production of the Great White Project. There are ongoing discussions in finalizing the volumes committed under contracts and getting those offtake contracts in place, there is a decision pending on upsizing the plant to Stage IA, capacity of 100,000 tonnes per annum. And we are continuing discussions with the debt providers to finalize that to support project funding. As announced today, Bob has decided to return to Europe for personal reasons. Luke has been appointed as his replacement starting on the 1st of August this year. And Bob is going to stay with the company as the CEO until the end of July and until Luke takes over. And will beyond that, stay on as an adviser to the Board and during his period -- during the period up to the end of July, he'll be working with Luke to ensure that there is an orderly transition in the CEO position. I wanted to say that Bob has done a fantastic job for the company. His energy and enthusiasm and his expertise has brought a lot to the business, changing the commercial strategy in setting our path forward. And I'll now hand over to Bob to say a few words.
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveYes. Mick, thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone. I just wanted to reiterate a couple of really important things. First and foremost, it's been a privilege for me to be the CEO and continue to be CEO until end of July, I think we have achieved an incredible amount in the last 12 months. And I think the future is looking very, very bright. My own personal circumstances have changed. And as a result, I certainly need to come back home here in Europe, but that doesn't preclude our business going forward in the direction that we've laid out, the Board support, shareholders, stakeholders and our employees. So I'm very excited that Luke will be moving into the role. Luke comes from an excellent background in industrial minerals, a wide range of different disciplines. And I think he is going to certainly be instrumental in continuing not only our business plan, but enhancing it and certainly taking it to the next level. So with that, I'll turn it over to Luke for a couple of comments.
Luke Anderson
executiveYes. Thanks, Bob. Yes, well, welcome, everyone, and thanks for having me here today. So I'm very excited about my appointment to Andromeda and the prospect of developing the Great White Kaolin project and also building ultimately, an operating industrial minerals company here in South Australia. A little bit about myself. I grew up here in Adelaide, worked in the mining and logistics industry for over 30 years. I started with Normandy Mining here in Treasury and Corporate Development roles, moved to Sydney and worked in Normandy Industrial Minerals for a number of years before that business was sold to Unimin Corporation. I ended up working for them in the U.S., move through the ranks, became CFO and then ultimately CEO of Unimin Corporation. Unimin's one of the largest industrial minerals companies in North America, has 40 operations across mainland U.S., Canada and Mexico, 2,500 employees. I moved back to Adelaide in 2015. That was really mainly for family reasons, coming back to Adelaide. I moved into the CFO role at OZ Minerals, where we made the decision on the development of the Carrapateena project. So that was a great outcome again for South Australia. And then I became the CEO of One Rail Australia, which is the third largest rail operator in Australia. And I think really enhance my knowledge of logistics, which is important in any mining project, but also particularly this project. So what drew me to Andromeda Metals? I think it's the prospect of developing a world-class Kaolin operation right here in South Australia and certainly takes me back to my roots in industrial minerals. The project has really solid fundamentals. It's a high-grade deposit with the ability to supply into the high-end ceramics markets. Bob's done a great job to refocus the business and really underpin the project commercially, which is really important in industrial minerals. The market, it drives the products in many cases. So done a great job there and great progress has been made and will be made in coming months. So I feel like from that point of view, the business is in really good shape to take it forward. Projects has strong economics, reasonably simple mining and processing operation, a very supportive Board and a great team who I've met this morning. So very keen to work with Mick and Bob, particularly over the next few months for a seamless operation handover. I'm on board with the trajectory of the company. So that should be business as usual and really taking it to the next level. So thanks for having me here today. Thanks Mick and the Board for my appointment, and I look forward to meeting you all in due course.
Michael Wilkes
executiveThanks, Luke. Before we move on to Q&A session, I'd just like to reiterate a few things. Firstly, the Andromeda has an exciting future as we work towards the development in production is the Great White Project, which we have a lot of confidence in. And with our partners and offtakers, and we continue -- we are committed to executing the business plan that's been constructed over the past 12 months. Yes, it is unfortunate that Bob has had to return to Europe for personal reasons, but we have a great replacement in Luke, who is starting on the first of August. I'm very pleased that he's accepted the appointment, bringing extensive operational and financial expertise and a significant international experience in industrial minerals and logistics and project development right here in South Australia. As we said, Bob will remain with the company as an adviser and we'll be remaining in the CEO role to ensure an orderly transition until the end of July. I'm confident these changes in place -- place the right management team in place and structure to effectively execute on our strategic opportunities over the long term. And finally, there will be an opportunity to meet Luke and Bob next week at the RIU conference in Sydney. We'll now move to the conducting the Q&A session to provide an opportunity for as many of those seeking to ask questions within the allotted time. We do ask that questions be limited to the management changes announced today. Only questions of an operational nature will be addressed by e-mailing the company directly at the e-mail address ir@andromeda.com.au. We also asked the questioners limit themselves to a maximum 2 questions at a time. We'll now start the Q&A session.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Anthony Moore from the Three Kings Group.
Unknown Analyst
analystGood morning, and thanks very much, gentlemen. I understand the difficulties involved in coming together at such short notice. My question is for Bob. Bob, firstly, thank you for what you've done. You've been able to articulate the vision really well. Are you confident that vision will be able to be enacted? And Mick suggested that we're still looking towards -- I know that this plays into the vision, but we're still looking towards the 1A project, the upscaling. So if you could just unpack a little bit of that for me, please.
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveSure. Thanks for the question. Look, first and foremost, the vision is clear. It impacts -- we've certainly come a long way. I think we are at what I call the P80 part of doing the project. We have still an incredible amount of interest in our product globally. We're working through the final details of very comprehensive and complicated offtake agreements with the full intent of all the parties involved. Appreciate Anthony and all of the shareholders know that we are in the kaolin industry. Kaolin is an opaque mineral, it is good to understand pricing, economics, macroeconomic, macro continues to be a challenge in educating the market, educating partners. But to answer your question, all of that I think is very much in place. The vision and the energy is, if anything, really moving in the right direction. And I think -- so I'm very excited to see someone of the caliber of Luke's background and experience really going to be able to not only be part of that, but also execute in South Australia, which is going to be a very, very big positive for our business.
Operator
operatorJust a moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from Ross Cameron from Cameron Research. Hello, Ross? We'll come back to Ross. Ross, please line up again to ask a question. [Operator Instructions] Just a minute, we have a question. We have Diane Kerr from ADN.
Unknown Analyst
analystMy question is a little bit more pointed, I'm wanting to know with regards to opaque and Traxys, where are we at in trying to determine that final BLA with both of those companies? And I also would like to ask at what point is funding has to -- a decision has to be made with regards to funding, is there a time line that you would actually have to agree to funding at 1A or 1A Plus?
Michael Wilkes
executiveThanks for that question, Diane. As I said, the business plan is still the same as it was before. Nothing has changed in terms of debt. We are in detailed discussions with an offtake partner Traxys and that is a key to us moving forward with the financing for the project. And the outcome of that Traxys discussion will determine the financing going forward. Bob, do you want to add anything to that?
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveNo, Mick, I think that's clear. And then I think coming back to the point I made on the previous question, appreciate the complexities involved in building an offtake of, first of all, of potentially this size and importance and so we really want to make sure, as all the parties do that we are doing. We're doing really everything in the best interest of the company because we're really laying down the foundation for the future. So that's taking time. The [ barrel ] deal also took time was a complicated deal as well. So we want to make sure we're rigorous, we're disciplined and at the same time, it's something that really forms the foundation of what we're doing for the next couple of years.
Unknown Analyst
analystSo there's actually no time line on that?
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveI would say, we're in -- go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Diane, I think there is -- I would say we're in the final stages of pulling that together right now.
Unknown Analyst
analystAnd are there any other offtakes that are mining offtake agreements that are in the mix regarding opaque, pallets or anyone else?
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveWe have -- Diane, we have several ongoing discussions with smaller end users, direct users who are interested in our product. Those are progressing. But at this point -- and I would say probably for the last 2 months, we have focused 100% on getting this big offtake agreement in place simply because it's the priority. But we still have quite a bit of interest in smaller volumes, I would say, for our product. But due to the nature of the size and complexity of the ongoing negotiations, we're focused on getting that across the line first.
Operator
operatorThank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Grant from a private shareholder. Please go ahead, Andrew.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThank you. After getting over the initial shock of the announcement this morning, I began to think once I recovered that, maybe I'm crazy for thinking, but I was thinking it could easily be an advantage having Bob in Europe, there's so much of Andromeda's future resting with these companies in Europe that Bob would be very strategically replaced in the same time zone, et cetera, et cetera, and is able to spend the time. It may have -- may be a plus for the company strategically. I don't know if that's a crazy thought.
Michael Wilkes
executiveAndrew, thanks for that comment. You're exactly right. Sorry. Bob has got very strong contacts in Europe, which we will maintain both through him and independently. And of course, he'll be able to provide us with very strong commercial -- advice on commercial strategy as we go forward and build the business. Bob, did you want to add something?
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveNo, Andrew, you're spot on. I think let's come back to the original rationale and how we reposition the business. The shortages for high-quality kaolin are being created because of the Ukrainian geopolitical issues. Those continue to escalate if anything and have gotten -- continue to get tighter. The area that has impacted the most is European, Middle East region. The markets that are impacted the most are the ones that formulate the high-end porcelain tiles that are replacing marble and stone everywhere in the world. Those formulations are here. They're in Spain and Italy have reiterated that position that with -- in the public many, many times in presentations and discussions. So yes, it is, I think, an advantage having be it in an advisory role and a continuing role here in Europe. I think that will be -- I will work hand-in-hand with having Luke on the ground in South Australia, right? And that could really be not only synergistic, but strategically position us at the right time at the right place.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThank you. And looking forward to catching up next week.
Michael Wilkes
executiveThanks, Andrew.
Operator
operatorThank you. [Operator Instructions] I see no further questions at this time. I beg your pardon. We have questions. Please give a moment. Next, we have Timothy Stenhouse.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeA question for Bob, that's worried me as well. I think the nature of the mining in South Australia is not going to be difficult, but logistics costs and how you face a heavy product, a bulky product, have you been able to conclude to your satisfaction a logistics solution to ship economically the products that we plan to produce in the first 5 years of operation?
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveThe -- thanks for the question. We have worked -- we have laid out a logistics plan. That plan has been executed in the sense that we know who we're going to partner with, how we're going to package the product, how we're going to bring it and ship it, all of that has been in place. Our partners are clear and ready to work with us. The incoterms and freight arrangements also have been clear. We've already engaged in a variety of different shipping lines and making sure that, that is available to an option for us. So to answer your question, yes. Is there further efficiencies and upside in reducing that complexity in the future? Absolutely, right. And we're really looking forward to leveraging all of Luke's logistics experience across the rail sector, across a variety of different things he's done in his career to really improve that. But to answer your specific question, yes, we're ready to go, ready to ship. Is it ideal and perfect and optimized? No, there's an opportunity to do so, but that solution for startup of our plant exists and is ready to go.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. That's very, very strong to hear that. Look, it would be remiss of me and probably a lot of other shareholders, if we didn't thank you for the wonderful achievement you've made in the last 12 to 13 months you've been working in Andromeda. So thank you from the bottom of the heart. I wish you well.
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveTimothy, thank you. You're very kind. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThank you. Our next question comes from Ross Cameron from Cameron Research.
Unknown Analyst
analystRoss from Melbourne here. Sorry, if I'm asking a question being asked. I stress my double one before and got spat out of the call. So you might feel as you might being asked this question. Look, I just first point, I agree with that gentleman just there. Bob, thank you for the efforts you've made over the last 12, 13 months, which I think has been herculean. Listen, so I apologize this being asked before, but I always get nervous when things like this happen. In terms of Bob, you've been out there at the kaolin base with offtake partners negotiating that in the financing, the cornerstone discussions been taking place. I mean, I just think there's a lot of key managers here, but walking out the door. Now needless to say, you're going to reassure me and say, "mate she'll be right." It's more than just me blah, blah, blah, can't help, but feel nervous here. So can you please talk to that just whether any potential partners, financiers, offtake partners, et cetera, are going to freak out or whether we're going to somehow be able to manage that? Thanks.
Robert Katsiouleris
executiveRoss, thanks for the call. Good to hear you. Look, a couple of important things here, right? We've talked about the offtake. And we've talked about the work we've done in the last 12, 13 months. If you look -- I kind of think this is interesting. I started my journey in Andromeda in Sydney and I'll be in Sydney next week. I'll give you all of you [ picture ] on everything that's happened. But if you look at everything that we said we would do, and where we are today, we're there with this last, call it, challenge in front of us. But at the same time, supporting that, we brought Pascal on as our CFO with an incredible background in debt and financing. His work, his engagement of potential partners globally, I should say, has been a game changer for us in terms of exposing us to opportunities to finance our business. That work was, as an example, is not going away. Pascal there he is driving that, which I think is important. And what's also important will be around for the next 3 months, and I'm going to stay on in an advisory role. And I think that's important not only just for the commercial side of the business, but to really make sure that I also introduced and helped Luke understand all those existing and potential partners, right? Look, I know the Unimin team extremely well. When I was at Rio Tinto, we had entered advanced negotiations at one particular point in time to partner. Luke comes from an incredible background, not only in Unimin, but across all of the things he's done. I think, to your point, Ross, yes, it will be a challenge for anyone to come over and meet everybody here in Europe and understand how this whole business and industry that's driving demand for our product works. But I'll be here to do that and help him -- help make those introductions and continue to help the company. So I can't appease you or make you feel comfortable 100%, Ross. But the intent, and I think the framework for addressing both the financial piece and the offtake piece is clearly in place.
Unknown Analyst
analystYes. Okay. Thanks, Bob, I got that and all the best, and Luke, welcome to aboard, mate.
Michael Wilkes
executiveRoss, I want just to add that the relationship with our major partner for offtakes is solid, and I had a discussion with the CEO last night and confirmed that. And also, I've had the opportunity to build relationships with some of their partners and potential partners in Europe. So I'm very confident that the relationships will continue.
Operator
operatorThis is our last prompt for questions. [Operator Instructions] I see no further questions. I will now hand back to Mr. Mick for closing remarks.
Michael Wilkes
executiveThank you, Ms. Maggie. Just to reiterate, we have an exciting future and continue to do so. We are working towards securing the funding to execute the business plan and that has been developed by Bob and others over the past 12 months. We're sad to see Bob go, but he is still involved with the company after the 31st of July, as we've read -- reiterated and he will be in Europe. And very pleased that Luke has accepted the appointment, bringing his extensive operational and financial expertise and international experience with industrial minerals. And importantly, his logistics and project development expertise here in South Australia. We are confident these changes put in place the right management team to effectively execute on the strategic opportunities over the long term. I'll now hand back to you, operator.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. Thank you, everyone, for participating. You may now disconnect.
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