ANZ Group Holdings Limited (ANZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
December 15, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveFor those that weren't present for the AGM, my name is Kathryn van der Merwe, and I'm the Group Executive for Talent & Culture and Service Centers here at ANZ and a member of the Executive Committee, and I will act as a moderator for today's Scheme Meeting. Before the meeting starts, the Chairman has asked me to run through a summary of some housekeeping matters, particularly in relation to voting. And I'll also explain what will happen if there's any unexpected technical problems. For shareholders and proxy holders present in the room, the voting instructions are the same as for the AGM. If you have any problems with voting or just joined for the Scheme Meeting, we'll have representatives from Computershare in the room who can help. For those who are eligible to vote, who are on the online platform, it's also the same as for the AGM, and please refer to the online meeting guide and an FAQ document. If you need further copies, they are available at anz.com/agm. Wayne Hopkins from Computershare has been appointed Returning Officer and [ Matt McGrath ] from our external auditor, KPMG, has been appointed as scrutineer. Should there be any technical issues on confirmation from the Chairman, we will either continue with the meeting if possible until the matter is resolved, or if that's not possible, we will temporarily suspend proceedings while we try to get back up and running. If we can't fix the problem in a reasonably short space of time, the Chairman will formally adjourn the meeting and look to resume at a later time. If this happens, and we hope it doesn't, we'll announce this to the ASX as soon as possible and also provide an update on anz.com. Please note, we cannot control any Internet problems experienced by individual shareholders or the representatives, and we will not suspend proceedings should individuals be having problems of such a nature. If you are having problems with your Internet, the online meeting guide and FAQ documents outline what to do. The Chairman will now address the meeting. Over to you, Chairman.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you, Kathryn, and welcome back, and thank you, everybody, for your patience and in staying with us. So good afternoon. Welcome to today's Scheme Meeting. For those who were not with us earlier, my name is Paul O'Sullivan, and I'm once again joined on stage by your Directors, including our CEO, Shayne Elliott. As a quorum is present, I declare the meeting open. And I'd like to begin by acknowledging the Ghana people as the traditional custodians of the land from which we are presenting and to pay my respects to their elders past, present and emerging. And I extend that respect to other Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people joining us today. This is a milestone day as we prepare the bank for the future. As I'm sure you're already aware, the restructure involves the establishment of a new non-operating holding company as a listed parent of the ANZ Group. This will allow the separation of ANZ's banking business and certain nonbanking businesses under this new listed entity. If this new structure is approved, our bank will be more efficient, more flexible and better able to engage with our customers. As I said in my earlier address, our core business is banking, and that will not change. Our focus will remain on banking and the team responsible for the governance and management of ANZ will remain substantially the same. For shareholders, your dividend returns will not be affected nor will our strong financial position as a direct result of this restructure. So why are we pursuing this, you may ask? Customers are demanding more from their banks, better services, better products and better digital solutions. And consistent with this, traditional banking is facing significant disruption from new non-bank competitors, mainly global technology companies launching financial services products. Understandably, these businesses are not regulated in the same way as banks like ANZ. The new non-operating holding company, or what I'll call from now on the [ NOC ], will allow ANZ to partner with technology companies on a level playing field. So essentially, the restructure is about making our banking business more efficient by creating a better structure for investing in our non-bank partners. It will provide greater strategic and operational flexibility. It's also important to note that this new structure is not a new invention. In fact, it is used by many leading financial institutions, including Macquarie Group and Suncorp Group in Australia, the Bank of America, JPMorgan, HSBC and Barclays, internationally. For the proposed restructure to go ahead, ANZ shareholders need to approve the scheme, and voting on the scheme resolution will be conducted by poll. Instructions on how to vote are the same as what was used at the earlier meeting, and Kathryn has run through those instructions. But if you have any queries, please refer to the online meeting guide. I now declare the poll open on the scheme resolution. If the scheme is approved and implemented, we will establish ANZ Group Holdings Limited as a parent of the ANZ Group and a non-operating holding company. Existing ANZ shares will automatically be exchanged for the same number of shares in the new listed holding company. If the scheme and restructure proceed, there will be no change to the number of shares that you hold in ANZ. Our shares will also continue to trade on the ASX and the ANZx under the familiar code ANZ. Your Directors believe the proposed restructure including the scheme is in the best interest of ANZ shareholders. It is recommended you vote yes in favor of the scheme to implement the proposed restructure. Each ANZ Director will vote all the ANZ shares they own or control in favor of the scheme. In making this recommendation, your Directors have considered the benefits, disadvantages and risks of the restructure. The first key benefit is the transparency it will create. It will create transparency and clarity for employees, customers, regulators and investors. The second key benefit is flexibility, enabling us to be more innovative and responsive. Third, the restructure would allow for more efficiency, allowing us to invest in nonbanking businesses that will ultimately enhance the provision of banking and finance products and services to our customers. Finally, the restructure can assist ANZ to be an employer and a partner of choice, helping attract staff and partners with skills that come from outside traditional banking. The most significant disadvantages of the restructure are: firstly, the one-off transaction costs, which are approximately $35 million before tax; the additional ongoing incremental costs, which we estimate to be less than $5 million per year before tax; and finally, the potential that one of the risks associated with the restructure does occur. While these disadvantages are not expected to occur, if they did, they would not have a material impact on the ANZ Group. These benefits and disadvantages along with the risks of the restructure are set out in detail in the explanatory memorandum. ANZ has also engaged Grant Samuel & Associates as an independent expert to analyze the restructure proposal. And after careful consideration, Grant Samuel concluded that the restructure, including the scheme, is in the best interest of ANZ shareholders. A copy of the independent report from the independent expert is in Annexure 1 of the explanatory memorandum. The independent expert has also confirmed that there is nothing in our 2022 financial accounts that we released at the end of October that would cause it to change its opinion. I'm also pleased to confirm that the approval from the U.S. Federal Reserve to implement the restructure has now been obtained. So if the scheme is approved by ANZ shareholders, we will then follow that up by undertaking a number of steps to implement the restructure. First, we will apply to the Federal Court of Australia for approval of the scheme. The timing of the second court hearing that we set out in the explanatory memorandum has changed. It's been changed from 10:15 a.m. on the 22nd of December 2022 to 10:15 a.m. on the 19th of December 2022. This timing change has resulted in some other changes and the new timetable is set out on the current slide. I'll briefly describe the key steps. If the court approves the scheme, a copy of the court orders will be lodged with ASIC, following which the scheme will become legally effective on the 20th of December, and the existing ANZ shares will be suspended from trading on the ASX at the close of trading on that day. The ANZ Regulatory Capital Securities quoted for trading on the ASX, including ANZ's hybrid securities, will also be suspended from trading under their existing codes at that same time. ANZ Group Holdings Limited will list on the ASX and NZX on the 21st of December. At this point, the new ANZ NOC shares and non-operating holding company shares, will commence trading on the ASX on a deferred settlement basis, and they will enter into a trading halt on the NZX. The ANZ Regulatory Capital Securities will commence trading under their new codes on a deferred settlement basis at that same point. Shareholders can expect that the scheme will be implemented on the 3rd of January 2023, on which day eligible ANZ shareholders will receive their ANZ NOC shares. Normal trading in the new ANZ NOC shares will commence on the 4th of January 2023. ANZ Regulatory Capital Securities quoted for trading under ASX including hybrids will commence normal trading under their new codes on the 4th of January 2023. Following this scheme process, ANZ will undertake the business restructure to separate ANZ's banking and certain nonbanking businesses into the ANZ Bank Group and ANZ Non-Bank Group. I will now move to the formal business of the Scheme Meeting. The sole item of business is to consider, and if thought fit, to pass the scheme resolution, which is set out in the Notice of Scheme Meeting contained in Annexure 5 of the explanatory memorandum. The scheme resolution is also now shown on the slide. For the scheme to be approved by ANZ shareholders, the scheme resolution must pass 2 tests. It must be passed, first of all, by a majority of number that is more than 50% of ANZ shareholders present and voting at the meeting either in person or by proxy. And secondly, by at least 75% of the total votes cast on the scheme resolution by ANZ shareholders present and voting at the meeting either in person or by proxy. I'll now address questions received relating to the scheme resolution, and I'll hand back to Kathryn van der Merwe, our moderator, to again outline the process for asking questions. Over to you, Kath.
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveThank you, Chair. For those shareholders that are not present at the AGM, I'll quickly summarize how to ask questions. We'll take questions in person, online and via the phone. And those questions must relate to the scheme resolution. [Operator Instructions] I'll now pass back to the Chairman.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you, Kathryn. I'll now take the first question from the room at microphone 1. Have we got a question there? Yes, go ahead, please.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you, Chairman. We have Bob Ritchie here.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveWelcome, Bob.
Bob Ritchie
attendeeThank you. Still from the Australian Shareholders' Association. I'll commence with a brief statement. Hybrid meetings like this are very much favored by the Association for the reasons that people who are off-site can participate, but also because shareholders get the opportunity to engage face-to-face with the Board. That leads me to the question, I'm imagining that the -- under the new constitution, if you allow the lawyers to get to it, there will be provision for a whole range of options including just virtual meetings, which I distinguish from hybrid because virtual does not allow the face-to-face interaction that we have here today. I can't ask you to commit to future Board decisions, but can I get assurance that the Board, as it presently stands, is in favor of hybrid rather than virtual meetings?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you, Bob. Look, I can't speak for the Board, and I haven't had a chance to put that to them. We'll take your feedback. I think the fact today that we have provided this level of access demonstrates our intent.
Bob Ritchie
attendeeAnd a related question that I think will only take a brief answer as well. The new structure, that's the governance structure of the NOC, I imagine is going to have the same Board structure and basically the same personnel, given that there will be minor changes?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveYes. The existing Directors will move to being Directors of the NOC Board. Microphone #2.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you, Chair. This next question is from Craig Caulfield.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you.
Craig Caulfield
shareholderThank you, Mr. O’Sullivan. The first question, this new entity is designed to make money isn't it? It's designed to make a profit, the intention?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveWell, the whole -- yes, the purpose of the Board and management is to look after the long-term interest of the business, which includes balancing a range of factors. But obviously, it's important that we generate value for shareholders.
Craig Caulfield
shareholderYou'll see why I've asked that. So I would term it a NOC-for-profit business.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you for your suggestion. Thank you.
Craig Caulfield
shareholderI would -- on to things more serious. I'm not familiar with this, I've only just received it today. And I'm not an expert in accounting and legals and everything else that you know. But it does -- I hear of the major banks all talking about simplifying our business. I'm talking of the 4 major banks in Australia, probably others. And we're selling off and divesting different things so we can focus on core banking. And ANZ is telling us we're creating something else. And we're looking at what seems to be non-core businesses that have less APRA regulatory governance and oversight. That just raises a concern with me that it's like we're getting into more diversification at a time when -- I've enjoyed the fact that things have been different, divisions have been sold off, and we're focusing again. So I wonder if you could explain that? Do you want me to ask other questions now or would you rather just address that first?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveWell, if you want to get them all out, and then I can make sure I answer them comprehensively.
Craig Caulfield
shareholderYes. So the lack of regulation, it's not clear to me what those businesses are going to be. We're improving the well-being and sustainability of customers and our existing operations remain the same, the people remain the same, we get the same dividends. But I don't know what type of businesses. I do understand that it's like a new technology. So I think of -- and I'm asking these questions fairly basic, and I stand to be corrected on all of them, but I think there'll be other shareholders in the room and online that might have similar questions. So I think of CBA has a technology division, Westpac does and NAB does. And they don't have separate holding companies, and they're still governed. Now you've mentioned in Australia, we have Macquarie Group and Suncorp Group. I don't correlate them the same because I look at Macquarie Group as an infrastructure group with a lesser amount of banking. I look at Suncorp Group that is rightly trying to focus on insurance. And the benefit to them and ANZ purchasing the banking is that they become a pure insurance division. So they're not like NAB, Westpac and CBA. So why is ANZ simply the first-mover like you were with the Apple situation, which was great, or like you were with [indiscernible] which was excellent. But -- and will the other banks follow? Or is there something that I'm missing because I -- or is this tricky legal concept to try and make out that there are other entities there?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you. I think actually those are really good questions, which will benefit everybody listening. So let me see if I make sure I've answered them properly. First of all, the rationale here is that increasingly we see that there are technologies that are essential to the core bank. And the Worldline joint venture is a great example. Shayne mentioned in his speech that the terminals you see at point of sale at merchants, that's something that a global technology player is going to be able to race ahead on. If you just doing it locally, you are not going to be able to invest the quantum of money. So we have a joint venture with Worldline. The challenge today is that if we invest in a business, we bring with us all the regulatory and capital requirements that go with being a bank. And that's quite a burden for these guys. So the intention here is to have a non-bank group, which does not attract those regulations and capital requirements where we can partner with companies like Worldline. Now I'd like to stress, and I said this in my speech, any business that we look to put into the Non-Bank Group, our intent is that it's about enhancing the performance of the core bank. This is not intended to be heading off in a completely different direction. So a good example of a business we bought that would move in there is Cashrewards. We bought that business because it gives us a loyalty program that we can then apply to our bank customers. And in terms of regulations, actually, as a result of the way we consulted with APRA to create this, they've actually got the ability to approve any material acquisition that we make in the Non-Bank Group. They don't have that today. So ironically, we actually are going to have more regulatory influence than we have today. And finally, are we first-mover? I think we are first-mover. I think this is going to be a requirement in the industry as technology becomes more prevalent, but I can't predict what the other Boards are going to do. Hopefully, I've answered your questions. Thank you. Microphone #1.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you, Chairman. We have a question from Rita Mazalevskis.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. Firstly, I'd like to say when I got my annual report in the mail, I did not get this. And the gentleman earlier in the AGM said he never got his that called in on the phone and requested it twice and never got his. So I'm wondering how many other shareholders haven't received it? Because on Page 13, it says, why have you received this explanatory memorandum, which I refer to as EM, says that it explains and provides detailed information about ANZ's proposed restructure, and it is intended to help you decide on how to vote on the scheme, which is one of the steps required to implement the proposed restructure. So I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of shareholders knowing nothing about this, didn't receive the document, can't read between the lines, are not sophisticated investors, wouldn't have picked it up off of the Notice of Meeting. And on Page 21, it says what happens to the elections that ANZ shareholders have given about their shareholdings. By the way, I read this through the AGM. So I couldn't concentrate on the AGM. So that wasn't very good. So it does say that unless prohibited by law or revoked by you, all your information will be transferred to ANZ NOC, which will include TFNs, ABNs, all information. So if a shareholder hasn't received this, how will they know that they can authorize this or revoke that they don't want their information exposed?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThanks, Rita. Look, happy to follow up on your case individually. I don't want to get into dealing with specific cases, but we have investigated an earlier one where the records show that several copies were dispatched. So we need to get to the bottom of what happened with that. The scheme booklet was not automatically sent out, but the Notice of Meeting, there was a 0.25 million almost of those sent out, and there's 8 pages in the Notice of Meeting that refer to this. I should have welcomed Ken Adams to the stage earlier on. Ken is our Group General Counsel at ANZ. And Ken, is there anything you wanted to add in response to Rita's question about shareholder understanding?
Ken Adams
executiveYes. Thanks for the question. Look, a small number of shareholders chose to receive by hard copy, a little over 2%. For everyone else, they were sent either through e-mail. And if they made no elections -- if they elected electronic, they received it. If they made no election, they received a hard copy with the Notice of Meeting, which is what the Chairman was referring to.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderYes. Well, there's a couple of us in this room that receive things hard copy, and we didn't get it. But I'll move on. Just a couple of notes, if I can just raise just from my speed reading for 2 minutes. It says in here that the -- there will be no -- where -- what have I got here. There won't be any AFSL or ACL licenses, is that right? They could be applied for after the restructure, is that correct? Sorry, I can't -- microphone is not on, sorry.
Ken Adams
executiveNo, that's correct.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderSo does that mean you will be applying for them and they will have them or they won't?
Ken Adams
executiveFrom the day 1 commencement, there will be no AFSL, but we may choose to apply for an AFSL at a later time.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderSo why wouldn't I have -- why wouldn't you choose at the beginning?
Ken Adams
executiveBecause from day 1, the non-operating holding company will not conduct any business that requires an AFSL.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. All right. And then the other thing I noted was the company, ANZ Service Co., it says that this will hold certain property interests. Is this a trust? Or will it be structured as a trust?
Ken Adams
executiveI can't answer your question what the main property interest that it holds at the headquarters at 833 Collins Street.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. I was going to ask what property interest you were?
Ken Adams
executiveThat's the main one, right.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderYes. Okay. And just -- what I was going to highlight in not sending this out, obviously, people couldn't read the independent experts report from Grant Samuel & Associates. Sorry, I just want to see if there was anything else because I don't want to really come up again because I haven't had the chance to read it properly. So are there going to be assets from ANZ that are held within this new structure somehow with some sort of transactions, whether it's securitization, whatever?
Ken Adams
executiveLook, the scheme booklet identifies the assets which will be held and where they will be held. But to give you a sense, 99% of current assets will be held within the existing ANZ BGL structure. There's a very small number of interests and the Worldline joint venture is an example that will be held in the Non-Bank Group. But to give you some comfort, all will be held by the ANZ Group, just the top company now will be ANZ Group Holdings Limited.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. So this new structure, I'm assuming we'll have its own new ABN, yes?
Ken Adams
executiveYes.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. So through a securitization process, if there is an issue, if there is a complaint or something, how does that get managed between the old ANZ Group and the new group?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOkay. So you're talking about securitization of mortgages?
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderNo, I'm just thinking -- yes, I'm thinking if there's a complaint process, how do you manage that between the 2 entities when you've got one that's not regulated and one that is regulated?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveSo the banking entity will respond to banking-related complaints, as it does today. I think as Ken described, the assets that will be in the Non-Bank Group will typically be businesses that help us in the bank, but they are not core banking activities. So Worldline is a good example.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderYes, sorry, I haven't had time to -- I know you're shaking your head Shayne, but I haven't had time to read this. So it's just what's popped into my head because I'm thinking if there's a complaint of some sort, who does that get lodged to? How is that crossover going to be managed? Are there assets in the new entity, but the customers' payment commitments comes from the old entity, so how does that structure?
Shayne Elliott
executiveNo, that is a fair question. I was not shaking my head there. Look, that already exists today. We have assets in the bank that -- we already own Cashrewards, for example. We already have the JV of Worldline. So those situations, we are ultimately responsible for any customer activity that comes into the ANZ group we're accountable for, and we'll put in place exactly the same sort of complaint and all those sorts of avenues. By the way, I don't -- look, we shouldn't think of this as unregulated. It's not unregulated. It's just regulated differently. It's not regulated as a bank, but it's still regulated, and we still have obligations, particularly if those activities are touching customers, providing a customer service. So we take all those things very seriously and none of that will change.
Rita Mazalevskis
shareholderOkay. Well, like I said, I haven't had a chance to read it. So that's it for now.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOkay. Thank you for your questions, Rita. We got some questions on microphone #4.
Unknown Executive
executiveChairman, the question is [ Michael Sampson ].
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWhat comes to mind at words like phoenixing? Another situation that I recall, James Hardie. There's a lot of [indiscernible] going on there. The question I've got, ANZ Banking Group Limited currently has numerous legal proceedings before the court. What happens to this if the scheme of arrangements is approved, how will it pay any remediation or judgments if delisted from the ASX and not trading any longer?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThanks for the question. I'm a little alarmed to hear us being putting the same sentence as some of those earlier episodes. And I just want to stress, this has been through a very strict regulatory review process. It's been approved by APRA, by the RBNZ. It's had to get U.S. Federal Government approval. And it is all about structuring the bank and non-bank assets for efficiency. So it's not looking to play any games with assets. It's about organizing...
Unknown Attendee
attendee[indiscernible] has been through similar process, U.S. government approval, et cetera, et cetera. It's not...
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveWell, the other thing I'd say is we're staying onshore, which I think is a very important point and our destiny is very much aligned with what goes on in Australia and New Zealand.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWhy the U.S. involvement then?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveBecause we have got certain activities -- we had activities in Guam, which is a U.S. territory, where we required some approvals. And so that was the largest reason for it, but we have other activities which take place in United States, which mean we have to observe their rules and regulations.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo what you are saying, if something goes sideways and say, for instance, in the event there was a judgment against the ANZ Banking Group Limited, that would be covered by...
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveI'll let the General Counsel opine on legal matters. Mr. Adams.
Ken Adams
executiveYes. Thanks for the question. Look, ANZ Banking Group Limited would still address any litigious matters or dispute matters and will remain by far the largest entity in the group.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you. Thank you for your question. I think we've got a question online. Kath, would you like to read that?
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveThat's right. So we have 4 questions online and one on the phone. So first question from Mr. [ David Dilger ]. Are there any tax implications for shareholders regarding the proposed scheme of arrangement?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveWe do outline in the scheme book and in Section 8 the -- what we understand to be some of the tax issues. And we have actually sought some feedback from the ATO. Obviously, each individual shareholders should get their own advice, but my expectation, and I look at the General Counsel so I don't mislead, my expectation is that for most Australians, there's not a significant tax event or impact as a result of this change. Okay. Next question, please.
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveYes, we have 2 questions from Mr. Craig Smith. Will the new shares under the scheme be [indiscernible] sponsored? And will the scheme trigger a capital gains tax event for shareholders?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOkay. The answer to the first question is yes. It will be the same form as ANZ shares have traditionally been listed. And the second one I've just answered, which is I won't repeat the answer. Thank you.
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveOkay. Question from [ Devendra Chhabra ] of Junior Enterprise Proprietary Limited. Is this scheme allows you to gain -- to dilute the focus from core banking to other areas, which may or may not be right in the long term? This is similar to ANZ buying E*TRADE and then divesting. What is different?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThank you. No, thanks, Devendra. And this is a question that I'm sure is in people's minds, and it's good that you've asked it. That's why I went out of my way in my opening comments this morning to say that ANZ is a bank. The bank is our core business and our intent in having a non-bank co. is to be able to invest our partner, our own businesses that will enhance our operation as a bank. And I think it's very important to say APRA have approval over any material transactions that we might do inside the NOC structure. So no, this will -- the intention is not to dilute our focus on core banking on the -- actually, on the contrary, the intention is to be able to do things which enhance our core banking and allow us to double down on being more competitive. Next question, please. We have a question on the phone.
Kathryn van der Merwe
executiveThat's right. It's from [ Luigi Bucello ]. Operator, please put him through. Welcome, Mr. [ Bucello ]. Please proceed.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderPaul, I spoke to you a bit earlier on not receiving the documentation on the Scheme Meeting. There was 3 times, not 2 as the lady before me said. You told me to stay on the line to give feedback, I haven't had anyone come back to me yet to give you the feedback, but I've got another question for you in the meantime. Are we going to have 2 companies on the ASX or what?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveThanks, Luigi. And look, first of all, we've all been tied up in the meeting. We've been here ever since I spoke to you this morning, but we will get back to you. We do want to get to the bottom of things because the records show that 3 booklets were dispatched to you. And so we want to understand why they never got to you. So we will follow up.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderNo, no. As I said before, I received 3 of the...
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOf the wrong book. Yes, I...
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes, I received 3 lots of proxy votes with no explanation.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveLet us get to the bottom of it. And once we are finished, we will have people who will be able to make contact. Can you just repeat your second question? I didn't hear it properly.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderThe second question -- my question here is, you said we're going to get a share for -- 1 share for the existing share and 1 in the new company. Does that mean that there's 2 listings on the stock exchange?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveSo the -- you will get a share in the group holding company in return for the share you had in ANZ prior to this, and that's what you will receive. So basically, it's a one-for-one exchange. ANZ will continue to have some listings on the stock exchange because we trade in things like hybrids and other securities. But your shares will be in the holding -- the non-operating holding company, or what we call the group level. Ken, is there anything you want to add to that?
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSo if I have 1 share currently, I will still only have 1 share in the new company, and that's it?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveCorrect. Nothing changes with the number of shares. And indeed, we ultimately will have the same code on the exchange. So it's really a continuation of the same number of shares you have today, but they're held now at the group non-operating holding company level.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderRight. So now you want me to stay on the line to get feedback on this small mistake?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveNo. What I'll do, Luigi, do we have -- I think we have contact details for Luigi? Well, we must have as we've dispatched stuff. So look, the team will follow up with you offline because we're live in the meeting here. I don't know we [indiscernible] transfer you.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes. No, I just don't want to hang on any longer.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOkay. Well, I'll get one of the team to go back to you today, Luigi. Thank you.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes. You got my mobile number?
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveDo you want to -- well, I don't know, do you really want to give it over with so many people online and so many people in the room?
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderNo [indiscernible] from your company comes back to me or from Computershare, I'll give it to them.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveYes. Okay.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholder[indiscernible]
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveI'll tell you what, we're going to get someone to try and call you now. We don't think it's a good idea from a security point of view. I've been talking about scams all day. I don't want you to read out your number.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes, I'm not giving you it over the meeting. But I'll give it to you in private, yes.
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveOkay. So let us find out a way to get a hold of you and follow up. And the team have sent me a message, they're going to try and get on to that straight away after the meeting. Thank you, Luigi. I don't think there are any more questions on this item. So there appear to be no more questions. Okay, as there are no further questions and as a reasonable opportunity has been given to discuss the scheme resolution, I now close the online and phone question facilities, and I will close the electronic voting in approximately 2 minutes. I'll now show on screen details of the proxies that were received in advance of the meeting. And while we wait for the close of the poll, we will play a short video. [Presentation]
Paul O’Sullivan
executiveSo I understand we're very shortly going to be -- yes, okay. So the electronic voting on the scheme resolution is now closed, and the provisional results of the poll will shortly appear on screen and subject to a final check by Computershare and KPMG will be released to the ASX later today. The provisional results show the scheme resolution is having received at least 75% of the total votes cast on the scheme resolution by ANZ shareholders present and voting at the meeting either in person or by proxy. And in respect of the additional majority in number test, I've also been informed that this has also been met. The exact numbers of the final results will be published later today to the ASX once the final checks have been completed. On behalf of ANZ, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of our shareholders and our customers for your continued support. This now concludes the official business of the Scheme Meeting. And as a reminder, the final results of the vote will be announced to the ASX as soon as available and will also be available on ANZ's website. Thank you for your participation this afternoon. I now declare the scheme meeting closed, subject to the review and finalization of the poll. And on behalf of my colleagues on the Board and of the executive, I'd like to wish everybody a happy and healthy festive season, and all the best for the new year. Thank you.
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