Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels Limited (PARKHOTELS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 11, 2025

BSE IN Consumer Discretionary Hotels, Restaurants and Leisure earnings 66 min

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Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the earnings conference call of Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Devrishi Singh of CDR India. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Devrishi Singh

attendee
#2

Thank you, Sagar. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. We have with us Mr. Priya Paul, Chairperson Mr. Vijay Dewan, Managing Director; Mr. Atul Khosla, SVP Finance and CFO of the company; and Mr. Rabindra Basu, Director, Investor Relations. We will begin the call with opening remarks from the management followed by an interactive Q&A session. Before we start, I would like to point out that some statements made in today's call may be forward-looking in nature and a disclaimer to this effect has been included in the earnings presentation shared with you earlier. I would now like to invite Ms. Priya Paul to make our opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, ma'am.

Priya Paul

executive
#3

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of the Board and management team of Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels, I extend a very warm welcome to all of you to our Q1 FY '26 earnings conference call. This quarter marks another step forward in our journey of shaping distinctive hospitality experiences and reinforcing our leadership in the boutique, luxury and upper upscale segments. We have built a portfolio based on our vision of leadership through differentiation, creating brands that resonate strongly with loyal guests across India and beyond. In Q1, we strengthened our presence in the high-potential leisure destinations by signing an MOU to acquire and manage 4 properties in Goa, Manali, Shimla and Dharamsala. These additions will broaden our geographic reach and enhance our positioning in some of India's most sought-after tourism markets. Our investment in Mumbai, which was announced earlier, will result in a quick entry into this very important market. Our new projects in EM Bypass, Kolkata, Visakhapatnam and Pune are progressing well, with key permissions in hand and design work almost complete. We continue to scale our asset-light side of the business across brands from the Zone By The Park, Zone Connect as well as The Park. The macro backdrop remains supportive despite a few hiccups in Q1, but India witnessed sustained growth in both leisure and travel -- and business travel, the supply and demand mismatch continues in the next few years. And in the meantime, infrastructure upgrades, tourism friendly policies, the government and rising consumer aspirations are driving demand across the country. These factors, coupled with our strong brand equity and market reach places us in a position of strength to capitalize on the opportunities ahead. Looking ahead, our focus will be on executing our pipeline of strategic projects, deepening guest engagement through curated experiences and continuing to innovate across our portfolio. Our team is committed to creating enduring value for all stakeholders by staying true to our vision and mission. I'm delighted by our excellent Q1 performance delivered by our outstanding team across the country. Innovative food and beverages, industry-leading occupancy at 92% continue to be the cornerstones of our success. None of this would be possible without the continued support from our team, our customers, partners and shareholders. Thank you all. I now hand this over to Vijay Dewan, Managing Director of our company, who will take you through the performance of Q1. Thank you very much.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#4

Thank you, Ms. Paul. Good evening, everyone, and a very warm welcome to all of you. We truly appreciate you joining us on today's earnings call. On behalf of my entire leadership team, I would like to express our heartfelt gratitude for your continued support in our vision. Your confidence continues to energize our journey. And today, we are pleased to share our quarterly performance and meaningful progress on multiple fronts. We have commenced FY '26 on a very strong and encouraging note and thanks to the dedication and commitment and hard work of teams. We have delivered an extraordinary and best-ever Q1 setting a strong momentum for the year ahead. At the operating level, the company recorded a top line growth of 14% and an EBITDA growth of 16%. We recorded India's highest occupancy of 92% and maintain our leadership in RevPAR in the upper upscale segment. During the course of the quarter, ARR improved by 13% and RevPAR increased by 12%. Powered by accelerated increase of close to 600 rooms which includes 41% increase in the asset-light side of the model, a nationwide Flurys rollout, we are now set to scale faster, protect and improve our margins and deliver exceptional shareholder value. Our flagship properties, starting with Calcutta achieved full occupancy of 100%, while Chennai posted 95% and both Navi-Mumbai and Bangalore recorded occupancies of 93%. This performance is a testament to our consistent focus on service excellence, operational efficiencies, differentiated hospitality offerings and customer loyalty. FY '26 will see addition of close to 600 rooms, 411 rooms in the asset category of management contract, 147 rooms in leased category and 31 rooms in the ownership category. Total number of rooms will increase from 35 hotels with 2,394 keys to 50 hotels with 2,983 keys in line with our vision of 50 hotels by 2025. These additions aided by organic growth will lead to sustained high double-digit growth in both revenues and EBITDA. Our balance sheet is extremely strong with network standing at INR 1,297 crores, ICRA rating remains stable at A+ and with deposits close to INR 70 crores, the liquidity situation in the company is extremely comfortable. FY '26 will see conclusion of 2 strategic acquisitions, 80 rooms, Zillion Hotels & Resorts at Juhu for 90% stake at INR 206 crores to be concluded within this month and 31 rooms at Cochin at a cost of INR 62 crores to be concluded by the end of September. These 2 strategic acquisitions will strengthen our position, both in business and luxury segments. Our development plans remain on course. FY '26 will see the launch of our EM Bypass Calcutta project in collaboration the with Ambuja Neotia Group. This development structured under a joint development agreement which will see ASPHL received 55% of the project revenues. The sale of the residential apartments is expected to commence around the Diwali season this year making the formal kickoff of the development. The total project is expected to generate over INR 600 crores in revenues with our share expected to contribute INR 100 crores per year over the next 3 years. These cash flows will be reinvested into the project enabling us to efficiently progress towards our goal of completing both the residential and hotel components by April of 2028, with no capital investment beyond our historic land bank, the project is poised to deliver strong ROCE and emerge as a landmark asset in our portfolio. As you are aware, in the previous financial year, we launched 2 heritage palace properties, The Lotus Palace Chettinad and Ran Baas The Palace at Patiala. To share an update, The Lotus Palace recorded in ARR of close to INR 12,000 in Q1 of FY '26, while Ran Baas achieved an ARR of close to INR 25,000. We expect ARRs at Ran Baas to improve further as the property stabilizes. Our iconic bakery and confectionery brand, Flurys, continues to expand its footprint steadily. As of June 30, 2025, we operate 102 outlets across formats, including flagship, cafes, kiosk and tea rooms with recent openings in Darjeeling and Gangtok. We plan to accelerate store additions over the remainder of this year and into next, targeting 200 stores by 2027 to coincide with the centenary year of Flurys. The expansion remains a strategic priority for us, aimed at broadening market presence and catering to a diverse customer base while blending contemporary amenities with rich cultural heritage. In the coming quarters, we will continue to focus on opening high-margin cafe formats and driving store level profitability. We continue to target annual revenues of INR 1 crore for mature outlets and we are encouraged by the traction achieved across recently launched locations. Looking ahead, our long-term strategy remains anchored in the 3G framework of growth, governance and green. Sustainability continues to be a core focus area for us with initiatives in water efficiency, carbon reduction and responsible waste management. As of June 30, 2025, 4 of our hotels are IGBC Green Certified reflecting steady progress towards industry-leading green standards. The company during the course of this year will be spending around INR 15 crores in technology and AI to improve efficiencies and performance. Web check-ins, customer identity, chat bots, AI concierge are all under implementation. Flurys will have a new billing system and a loyalty program as well as self-ordering kiosks. AI based SAP S/4HANA ERP is also under implementation in our company for financial accounting, cost management and better compliances. We continue to invest further in our revenue management system which now have generative AI to lead the market, and this has been our biggest strength to achieve high ARRs and high occupancies. As we progress through FY '26, our business fundamentals remain strong. The development pipeline is advancing well, and our strategic road map is anchored in a prudent capital structure and disciplined execution. Having delivered sustained double-digit growth in FY '25, we are confident of achieving high teen growth in both revenues and EBITDA in the years ahead backed by resilient demand, improved pricing power, steady portfolio expansion in the premium luxury segment and continued leadership in the upper upscale segment, we are well placed to capture the opportunities ahead. Once again, I extend my heartfelt gratitude to our shareholders, customers, team members and business partners for their continued trust and support. Thank you. I will now request the moderator to open the line for questions and answers.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Archana Gude from IDBI Capital.

Archana Gude

analyst
#6

I have few questions. Firstly, on Flurys. Sir, I think like we had given a number of Flurys addition was at 50 on an annual basis earlier and this has come down to 40 outlets as per Q1 presentation. Can you help us understand what has led to lowering this guidance?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#7

No, not that we are lowering the guidance. It's -- the reason behind this, of course, for this year is to actually move away from kiosk to cafes. And obviously, the investment level has been kept at the same level because for us the cafes costs more than the kiosk. So in terms of the spend, in terms of the development, that remains the same, which adds up to 40 as per our planning for this year. So we opened 40 stores as per the plan this year. And then we plan to open 60 stores in the coming year to reach the 200 trade mark by 2027, which is the centenary year of Flurys.

Archana Gude

analyst
#8

So you're saying, instead of having 50-50, we'll be having 40 this year and maybe 60 next year, right, sir?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#9

No. So what will happen is that the mix of cafes and kiosk is going to change more in favor of the cafes and this will lead to actually higher revenues for us than by opening just the kiosk. So this fundamental change has been done to actually improve performance and improve results. Because the cafes are more profitable to us and still keeping the costs within what was budgeted.

Archana Gude

analyst
#10

Right. And on the sales part, if I look at the Flurys sales this quarter, of course, there has been pretty healthy growth on Y-o-Y, led by your higher stores. But when I look at on the sequential basis, it has gone down by 6-odd-percent. So what has really changed in last quarter to this quarter?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#11

No. The growth in Flurys topline has been 42%. Currently, we have 102 outlets. Most of the outlets, if you will recall, opened towards the end -- towards the third -- quarter 3 and quarter 4 and because of these additions, right now you're seeing 42% growth in top line. But our store-to-store growth that is existing store growth is well above the 11% mark. In most of the stores and some of the tea rooms, the growth is as high as 15%. So the same-store growth is also very strong, and tea rooms same-store growth is even stronger.

Archana Gude

analyst
#12

Right, sir. My question was more on a sequential basis, sir, on Q-o-Q, the absolute number.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#13

So we have done last -- on Y-on-Y basis, we did INR 16 crores last year. And this year, we have done INR 19 crores because the quarter 1, again, as you know, in terms of the hospitality business, the hospitality business is very cyclic in nature. The best results come only in quarter 3 and quarter 4 during the festive season. But on a quarter-to-quarter basis, the growth has been 42% from INR 16 crores to INR 19 crores. And last year, we had done total revenues of INR 64 crores, and this year, with the opening of 40 outlets and organic growth, we expect the revenues at Flurys to be in the range of INR 85 crores to INR 90 crores.

Atul Khosla

executive
#14

And you can -- Q4 and Q1 cannot be sequentially compared. So that's why I know you are saying that INR 16 crores is almost same as the Flurys. That's what you are query is. So that growth will keep on coming in with INR 16 crores of this quarter is to be compared with the last -- same time quarter, quarter 1 '25. Q4 is a -- Q3 and Q4 constitute about 70% of Flurys revenue. So that cannot be compared.

Archana Gude

analyst
#15

You also spoke about the matured Flurys store giving INR 1 crore as net sales. So how many we had in this Q1 FY '26, the mature stores? And how that should pan out, let's say, by end of FY '26?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#16

So FY '26, as I said, we will be reaching about INR 85 crores to INR 90 crores and we should be heading for about INR 70 lakhs to INR 80 lakhs by the end of this year per store. And by next year, we are absolutely confident that all these stores will be in the range of INR 1 crore or INR 1 crore plus. Currently, we are at INR 60 lakhs, last year, we were at INR 64 lakhs.

Archana Gude

analyst
#17

So maybe one more on Flurys and then I'll join the queue. When I look at the presentation, we have kind of the reduced number of stores from Delhi, Bombay and Hyderabad, while of course, we have added a couple of more locations. So is that -- like we will be changing the strategy for these markets that Delhi, Bombay, Hyderabad or how we should see -- I understand you spoke about changing from kiosk to cafes and that why the number has lowered. But still, I mean, Bombay has been doing pretty well for us. And what was the thought process behind maybe see the number of Flurys store for Bombay?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#18

No. So first thing is that Flurys has a national rollout plan which begins now with Delhi. Until, as you know, what is happening is that we are setting up a large commissary. This commissary is likely to be ready by the end of this year or early next year. Once this commissary is ready, we enter the city of Delhi. And in next year, the plan would be to cover the whole of North India. In the meantime, we are planning to open Flurys outlets wherever we have our existing hotels or from where we can supply from the commissaries, which are in existence at the moment. So the plan is very robust, and it stays on course to expand very rapidly in North India. And then, of course, it has as an overall basis, a national plan.

Operator

operator
#19

Our next question comes from the line of Vaibhav Muley from YES Securities.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#20

First of all, congratulations on a strong set of numbers. My first question was on our immediate expansion pipeline, which includes 147 leased keys and 31 owned leased keys. Can you give the breakup of asset-wise expected ARR for these properties?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#21

So for the 600 keys, which we plan to open this year, we plan to open roughly about 141 keys in Q2, 194 keys in Q3 and 254 keys in Q4, Vaibhav, and this adds up to total keys of 589. So we plan to open 14 hotels. Typically, in our Zone hotels, the majority of these properties are in Zone by The Park and our second brand in Zone, which is Zone Connect by The Park which typically enjoys an ARR of INR 4,000 to INR 4,500 at the moment, and we expect properties to be in this range.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#22

So all the leased properties will be opened under Zone or Zone Connect, you are saying?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#23

Yes, this is under our asset-light model of Zone and Zone Connect by The park.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#24

All right. And what do you think will be the margins for these properties given the lease rentals will be a part of your expenses? So what kind of margins do you expect for these properties and the impact on the blended operating margins?

Atul Khosla

executive
#25

Post these rental, we expect around 20% to 25% is the margin. But for the purpose of blended EBITDA purpose, it will be pre-indexed. So it should contribute about 30% to the EBITDA on a basis. 30% EBITDA, 10% is roughly the -- 10% to 15% will be the lease rentals.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#26

So 30% post index, you are sort of talking about operating margins for this property?

Atul Khosla

executive
#27

Yes, 30% to 35%.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#28

All right. And secondly, on -- we have given a breakup of the expected ARRs for our owned expansion pipeline along with the projected revenue. So the ARR projections are materially higher compared to the blended IRR that we do at the company level. So what kind of -- so what is the reason that we are expecting significantly higher ARR compared to our current ARR run rate across the metros?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#29

Properties, as you know, which are 1,011 -- 1,101 keys are operating in the upper upscale segment in the boutique category. Of course, these properties are also getting upgrade as we are going along. But the new properties, which are roughly similar to -- which is about 1,035 keys are coming in the premium luxury category. So that is why these ARRs are going to be much higher. And they will have a significant impact in improving our margins.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#30

And just lastly, I can ask about the Flurys operating margin for the quarter?

Atul Khosla

executive
#31

Flurys has done about 8%, 9% in the margin.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#32

Flurys margins are typically in the range...

Atul Khosla

executive
#33

Post is 2%.

Vaibhav Muley

analyst
#34

Sorry, I missed the last part.

Atul Khosla

executive
#35

9% is the interest status, post-indexed is 2% to 2.5%.

Operator

operator
#36

Our next question comes from the line of Sumant Kumar from Motilal Oswal.

Sumant Kumar

analyst
#37

Good numbers in the bad quarter where 10 days disruptions -- business disruptions we have. My question is regarding the renovation plan we have across hotels. What are the renovation cost for the marquee property we have and for next 2 to 3 years?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#38

So Sumant, thank you for your question. Firstly, on an annualized basis, we -- to improve our properties, we have a fixed budget of about INR 50 crores, and we will continue to be on cost to invest INR 50 crores on an annual basis to upgrade our existing properties. We have a cushion to considering our very high performance, which is 92% occupancy on -- 92% to actually 94% occupancy. This gives us only a leeway to renovate about 70 to 80 rooms. And we will continue to do that. That kind of focus will be there to renovate 70 to 80 rooms. This year, we have a similar plan. About 60-odd rooms are getting upgraded in our property in Kolkata. About 19 rooms are getting upgraded in Chennai and about 14 rooms are getting upgraded in the Visakhapatnam.

Operator

operator
#39

Our next question comes from the line of Saket Mehrotra from Dusk Investments.

Saket Mehrotra

analyst
#40

Congratulations on a great side of numbers, sir. My first question was can we get some sense on what is the mix of revenue from management contracts for the quarter? And how do we see this scaling up for the next 2 years?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#41

So just a min, we are just getting you to the numbers. Of course, last year, we had done INR 19 crores on a YTD basis.

Atul Khosla

executive
#42

And this quarter, we have done INR 4 crores from management contracts. Since we are signing more contracts, we expect this year to close more than INR 20 crores from the management contract division.

Saket Mehrotra

analyst
#43

And the growth plans that we've talked about, I mean, we are on track to achieve it as per the schedule, right? I hope I mean that's...

Vijay Dewan

executive
#44

Absolutely, the company is absolutely focused in delivering the guidance, which it has provided for. We had given a very strong guidance and we remain committed to achieving that guidance.

Atul Khosla

executive
#45

So we are doing -- going to do INR 20 crores and with the addition of this, which we are signing, that should contribute another INR 4 crores to INR 5 crores. So we will end up at INR 25 crores, expected on management contract division, including H2 INR 5 crores.

Saket Mehrotra

analyst
#46

And just another question. Mr. Dewan, in your opening comment, you mentioned about the EM Bypass project to generate about INR 600 crores of cash flows where you would be getting close to INR 100 crores a year for 3 years. So when are you expecting the flow of this to start? Is it this financial year or from the next year?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#47

This year, we are -- the way the residences sell, as you know, generally, in the first year, you take about 10% as the deposit fees. So expecting that we -- our share will be around INR 30-odd crores this year, and then it rapidly moves up to INR 100 crores per year.

Operator

operator
#48

Our next question comes from the line of [ Vivek Lodharya ] from Nirbhay Asset Management.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

Sir, my first question was beyond outlet count growth, could you share the latest average revenue per store for Flurys? Earlier, you timeline to reach 10 million per store annually. So what was the comment for that?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#50

No. So this -- we will -- we did INR 64 crores. So it is a 2-year process at the moment. We are expecting to cross around 80-odd crore -- 80 lakhs per store and then hit about INR 1 crores per store sometime during the course of next year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#51

Sir, by quarter 1 FY '26 despite a full year plan for 40 new outlets, there was no new opening reported this quarter. Could you share the main reason for this pause?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#52

No. It is -- we have opened actually 4 stores at the moment during the course of this quarter. We opened stores in Darjeeling, Gangtok, a store in Bhubaneswar and another store up north in Bengal. Also, at the same time, we have actually closed down 4 stores because this is also part of our strategy that if we fail in a store, we fill that store first to ensure that our margins remain the best. So 3 to 4 stores have been actually closed in West Bengal. So it looks that the number has remained the same, but it is not the case. Flurys expansion plan continues to be of opening and being present across all India. So you will see larger openings very soon and particularly in quarter 3 and quarter 4 as we come to launch our new commissary in Delhi.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Okay, sir. So what was the key reason for those closures?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#54

There have been low footfalls and it appeared that we could lose -- start losing money in those stores. So based on that, it will always be the plan that inefficient store will have to close down. So as we go along, there would always be in the range of 3% to 4% store closures will always be there. And then, of course, the expansion plan will continue as planned.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

So those stores were EBITDA -- making EBITDA loss?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#56

You can't say that -- we are very careful about it. We do not want a store to go into an EBITDA loss situation. But if our analysis shows that the store is losing ground and then we tend to close it before it starts losing money.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

So we are committed for FY '27 -- till FY '27, we are committed for 200 stores?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#58

Yes. We are also committed not only to 200 stores by FY '27. We plan to open 350 to 400 stores by FY '30, that has been our plan for Flurys. And we are well on course to deliver that.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

This plan was very aggressive, what's your thought on that?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#60

No. But if you see our competitors also, they are a competitor made a plant -- they also have similar plans in last year, Starbucks has been able to open about 60 stores and there is no reason that we will not be able to open a similar number of stores, which is in the range of 40. So it is not the -- this is a very fast-growing industry. And we will be able to keep pace with our competitors.

Atul Khosla

executive
#61

Our execution speed will further increase once the commissary in Delhi is opened and that we have already said that, that factory can supply a whole of the -- commissary can apply full of the North India. So you will see 40 -- that's why it's 40-60, once that's open, then it will increase.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#62

So I have to ask last question. So how can we finance for this new opening of stores via debt or internal accruals?

Atul Khosla

executive
#63

It's mainly through inter -- Flurys expansion is mainly through internal accruals.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#64

So as we explained last -- in the last investor call also, our total capital outlay over the next 5 years is about INR 1,700 crores. And during the course of this year, we plan to spend roughly about INR 300-odd crores. In terms of the acquisition as well as the development plans of Flurys as well as internal development, IT, so in total, we plan to spend INR 300 crores this year. And overall, over the 5-year period, we plan to spend about INR 1,700 crores and INR 300 crores, of course, we get back from the sale of the apartments. So net expansion plan would be around INR 1,400 crores. And that we should be able to sort of definitely meet through our EBITDA forecast for this year as well as growth in EBITDA over the coming years.

Operator

operator
#65

Our next question comes from the line of Vikas Ahuja from Antique.

Vikas Ahuja

analyst
#66

Sir, my question is just going back to this Flurys plan we have for FY '25, '26. And now we are calling for 40 new opening versus 50 last quarter. So this is net of the closures? Or this is the number we are going to add and if there are like, let's say, 5, 6 closure during the year, so the net number would be 33, 34? Because if I look at first 4, 4.5 months, we have added only 2 on that basis. So just trying to figure out how we will achieve this target?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#67

No. So this number is going to be the net number. It is not a gross number. So stores are already being identified, work is going on, and the work is progressing as per plan. As far as the setting of the commissary is concerned at Delhi, and we should be on course to deliver a number. And it is going to be a net number.

Vikas Ahuja

analyst
#68

Yes. So just to clarify that in the next 8 months, we are going to add on a net basis, 38 more to reach to 140 as a total number?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#69

Yes.

Vikas Ahuja

analyst
#70

This is helpful. And secondly, we have added in terms of our development pipeline for lease hotels now, we are talking about 441 keys. So can you explain this increase where we are kind of adding, sorry, if I have missed it in the presentation.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#71

So we are actually going to add during the course of this year, 589 keys, out of which 411 are going to be on the asset-light side of the model. 147 keys are coming in the lease model and 31 keys are coming in Cochin on the ownership side of the business. These properties are opening in Patna, Goa. These 411 properties first are -- and total 589, sorry, are opening in Patna, Goa. Goa, in fact, 3 properties are going to open. Dharamsala, Manali, Shimla and other property in Calcutta, which is other than the properties we have. We have Katra in J&K, Gangtok, Malabar. Malabar is going to be the ownership property. Darjeeling, Lucknow, Jim Corbett and Gangtok. Gangtok is actually going to see 2 properties, 1 opening in quarter 3 and 1 opening in quarter 4. So a total of 14 hotels are going to open with 589 keys. And we still have time to sign more keys in the remaining part of the year. So that is why I said that we should be able to open close to or above 600 keys during the course of the year.

Operator

operator
#72

Our next question comes from the line of Raman KV from Sequent Investments.

Raman KV

analyst
#73

I just -- I have a doubt with respect to the earlier comment. You said you will be opening around 589 key. Out of which 489 keys will be asset light and 149 keys will be leased? Right?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#74

411.

Raman KV

analyst
#75

411 will be asset-light, 149 will be lease model?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#76

147 is leased and 31 is ownership. That makes it 489 -- 589.

Raman KV

analyst
#77

Yes, yes. Sir, and my second question is with respect to the acquisition. You have acquired Zillion Hotels, 90% stake which has a hotel in Bombay of 80 rooms. So I just wanted to understand what's the revenue potential or how much revenue was the hotel able to do in FY '25?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#78

So firstly, this deal is -- we have signed a binding MOU protection of Zillion Hotels & Resorts. Currently, it is 60 residences -- 60 service apartments, not residences. This will be converted into a 80-room, super luxury, boutique hotel. It will have 80 rooms and suites, and it will have, of course, a rooftop bar and restaurant and an all-day dining restaurant, this is how the plan is for Zillion. Currently, we are acquiring 90% stake for INR 206 crores. And we plan to spend about INR 60-odd crores for the refurbishment and development and renovation of this hotel. So as we acquire this hotel, as it comes to us in the month of August or beginning of September, then we start the process of renovation and we should be able to deliver this hotel to all of us by H2 of next year. Our stabilized year of forecast for property, that is not next year, the year after that would be somewhere around INR 60 crores and giving EBITDA margin of anywhere between INR 24 crores to INR 28 crores in the stabilized year of operation. I do expect this property to give somewhere around INR 20 crores to INR 25 crores next year and add about INR 6 crores to INR 7 crores to the bottom line in the first 6 months. And I would consider '27, '28 performance for this property. It will open certainly next year, and it will open -- it will have a strong opening, but it should stabilize in '27 '28.

Raman KV

analyst
#79

So my understanding the INR 60 crores from this when you -- once you are done converting this property into a luxury hotel, you will get additional INR 60 crores of revenue with 24% margin? That will be in FY '28?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#80

No, no. I'm not saying 24% margin with INR 60 crores. I should be able to get roughly about 40% to 50% margin, yes, INR 24 crores to INR 28 crores would be my EBITDA to start with. And then, of course, as we move forward, this is a high ARR market. The current ARRs in the market are in the range of INR 18,000 to INR 20,000 and there is no reason we will not be able to achieve those ARRs. And in fact, with the positioning we will take, we should be able to actually command a much higher premium.

Raman KV

analyst
#81

So the peak revenue potential is INR 60 crores?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#82

No, no. The revenue potential of the property would be not less than INR 80 crores at current market trends of INR 18,000 to INR 20,000 ARR. And then, of course, don't forget that we run one of the best bars and night clubs in the country. We do the maximum business in terms of F&B. We do not expect the revenues, in fact, to be less than INR 10 crores on the rooftop bar. In fact, it could surprise everyone by doing more than INR 12 crores. And we'll also -- in terms of the restaurant itself and conference facility, it will have limited conference facility, we should be able to add another INR 10 crores. So all in all, the property will have a potential on the F&B side as well. So as a result of that, the overall potential should be around INR 80 crores to begin with, and of course, then it will be subject to -- it will move on with organic growth.

Raman KV

analyst
#83

And sir, with respect to the second acquisition in -- one is the Malabar House at Fort Kochi and another one is the Purity at Lake Vembanad. Can you -- in the PPT, it's mentioned that the total cost of acquisition INR 62 crores. Is it including both Purity as well as Malabar House or only for Purity?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#84

It is for both the properties, and these are all -- this is a very high end luxury resort hotels, they are part of the Relais & Chateaux Group, which is the marketing company and which is highly prestigious in the hospitality business to be part of the Relais & Chateaux, which is the elite luxury group. This property already -- the Malabar is already Relais & Chateaux hotel. In fact, our hotel in Patiala, the Ran Baas, The Palace is also a Relais & Chateaux Hotel, which automatically guarantees very, very high ARRs from their own booking engine and because of -- and also provide for a very high positioning of the property in the upper luxury segment.

Raman KV

analyst
#85

Yes. So coming to that point, my understanding is this will add around 31 keys by second half of this year or next year? And what's the peak revenue are you expecting from this acquisition?

Atul Khosla

executive
#86

This is this year and peak revenue expected on a stabilized after takeover, you can say next year, or next few years is between around INR 20 crores.

Raman KV

analyst
#87

INR 20 crores next year, so INR 10 crores this year, right?

Atul Khosla

executive
#88

INR 10 crores may not come this year because this year, because when you take over, you just stabilize it. So I'm not saying. Peak revenue, I'm saying it will come -- this year could be INR 8 crores.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#89

So adding back to this, all this which is coming up the 600 rooms, which includes 31 rooms at Cochin, the stabilization of our Palace hotels, we are very confident that the guidance, which we have given we should be able to achieve.

Raman KV

analyst
#90

And sir, just a follow-up on this. You said this is a very luxury hotel. So even this has a higher EBITDA margin about 40%, 50%. So this acquisition will also help in driving our consolidated EBITDA margin, right?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#91

Correct. Absolutely correct. The Palace Hotels as well as these 2 hotels in Cochin are going to significantly add to the EBITDA margin this year as well as we go along, to the 40% to 50%, yes.

Raman KV

analyst
#92

And how are we funding this INR 300 crores worth acquisition, like including both the acquisitions?

Atul Khosla

executive
#93

We have just explained that, so 5 years' time for the -- we have got the Pune, Mumbai. Pune is 200 rooms. This year, we have about INR 300 crore requirement, which we will be tender and our current mutual fund balance is about INR 70 crores, one. Second is we are also going to have the balance the EBITDA -- we have got already a bit expected about approximate, if I take some turnover increase to INR 250 crores plus. So that is the current EBITDA. So given this and the existing limits of bank, which are already in place, about INR 25 crores pending. So we have a substance we can easily fund it from the sources. So that's from INR 70 crore from the mutual fund, INR 30 crore is roughly balance loan available, INR 600 crore plus we may be taking and then additional -- as we have a mutual fund and loan combinations. So combination of loan we may take, but net debt will remain positive.

Raman KV

analyst
#94

So my understanding is you won't exceed INR 100 crores net additional debt, right?

Atul Khosla

executive
#95

When you say standalone, yes, we will not exceed INR 100 crores net debt, but I'm saying net debt will still remain positive. Net debt is 0 post mutual funds.

Operator

operator
#96

Our next question comes from the line of Sarthak Awasthi from Sea Funds India Private Limited.

Sarthak Awasthi

analyst
#97

Firstly, congratulations on a great set of numbers. My question is on the Flurys part. So my question is on like margin sustainability on the Flurys, like the competition is also adding stores and some e-commerce players also have started their own cafes. So how we are going to sustain margins, I get it, we'll get the top line growth, but how we're going to sustain the margins and how we're going to come up against this competition?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#98

So Flurys, firstly is in a very, very unique position. It is a combination of coffee, confection and celebration, which is a very unique positioning for Flurys. It has a very long heritage. It completes its -- completes 100 years in 2027. So it is one of the most powerful brands in India in terms of its position at the moment. So the brand itself should be able to have a very strong pull in achieving firstly, the top line growth. And there is no substitute in the world in terms of business to top line growth that itself will lead to our forecasted EBITDA margins, which are in the range of around 15%. Yes, there is competition, but Flurys is a very, very powerful Indian brand. Yes, it should be able to compete with all the international brands which are coming. Don't forget that at this point of time, now as well as over the next 5 years. Our per capita income is increasing from about close to $2,900 right now to about $5,800 over the next 5 years. And that will obviously have an impact in terms of spend of -- per capita spend, which will substantially increase. Also, India is today almost 60% of our population is in the millennial and Gen Z categories. So the habits are completely changing. It's moving all towards coffee and also towards going out and meeting out and companionship. So all this is going to drive the business. Also, the confectionery and coffee business, these business, particularly the cakes and confectionery and bakery business is among the fastest-growing business in the retail segment. And this business is growing very rapidly at rate of 18% to 20%. Currently, itself, this business is in the range of INR 18,000 crores to INR 20,000 crores, and it's expected to double over the next 5 years. So all this competition would be there, but India is a very, very large market. India, also a very young market. And with changing habits we should be able to grow faster and also protect and deliver higher margins.

Sarthak Awasthi

analyst
#99

Sir, my second question is on what percentage of repeat customers we have in Flurys? I mean you can give any sort of example on that part.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#100

I would not have the exact data for Flurys in terms of repeat customers. Yes, it is very high in Calcutta. I would source this data for you and give it to you.

Operator

operator
#101

Our next question comes from the line of [ Divyam Doshi ], Family Office.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#102

I just had a question how do margins compare between your owned leased and managed portfolios? And where do you see the fastest growth coming from?

Atul Khosla

executive
#103

The fastest growth always come from the owned properties. And we -- as we go to the new properties, which are in the luxury segment, which is Juhu property, this Kochi property, and as you've seen, the EM Bypass and the Pune and Vizag, we have given the ARRs are very high. So they take you to the next level of ARR and also justifies how we are going to rub in from ARR shifting from upper upscale segment or luxury segment and which will give a substantial margin. In terms of the lease properties we have -- we are now ARR will be a range of between INR 5,000 to around INR 4,500 to INR 5,000. But here, what we have like these 4 leased properties, we expect stabilized revenue next year, roughly about INR 20 crores on which we would expect the minimum 40% to 50% of the GOP level unless, let's say, EBITDA will be the margin will be roughly about 20% to -- 20% to 30% net of our lease rentals. So that's there. In terms of management contracts, what happens, these all properties will give roughly INR 60 crores to INR 70 crores of the top line. So after which about 6% -- 5.5% to 6% will be the management fees and out of which, which will be about 70% player, which will be about 70% will go towards the flow through to EBITDA margin.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#104

And my last question is, could you detail the capital allocation priorities for the financial year '26 and the financial year '27 also given the ongoing acquisitions, renovations and development pipeline?

Atul Khosla

executive
#105

Yes. So current year estimates are around about INR 300 crores of the acquisition, which will be going towards INR 160 crores roughly towards the Juhu property and -- INR 300 crore this year, INR 300 crore roughly next year. INR 600 crores, they will be going towards the Juhu property, which will be about INR 206 crores and around about INR 60 crores towards the acquisition. And then we have about -- estimate about INR 50 crores will be towards the EM Bypass and we -- in Vizag, and Vizag which will start and Pune will above be again INR 75 crores. Then remains in EM Bypass also -- Kochi is INR 60 crores. In EM Bypass, we will also have net cash inflow by next year, we'll have about INR 140 crores cash inflow also. So that will be subtracted. By that time, we also have a -- and the property we've got, CapEx target of average refurbishment target of INR 50 crore, 2 years will be INR 100 crores. For which will be about INR 70 crores, INR 80 crores. So in that way, now you can say INR 600 crore breakup. Now funding comes through EBITDA, which is about more than -- even if I take last year or current year expected target, it will be more than INR 500 crores to INR 550 crores is the EBITDA, INR 560 crores is round about EBITDA. So it's covered through that. My current mutual fund balance is INR 70 crores, lines of credit for short-term available is also INR 25 crores, that become INR 100 crore is also valuable. If required, we may take some short-term lines of credit, which will be hedged as EBITDA available for a number roughly about INR 250 crores. And next year, if I add, it will be around another 20% addition on that. So we will be -- we are free hedged through the EBITDA, but we will take it by speeding of the growth. We may take some -- to push up the growth some line of credit.

Operator

operator
#106

Our next question comes from the line of Anil Kumar Sharma, an investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#107

Congrats for good numbers. Sir, my question is when -- as you are saying, 200 Flurys will be there by the end of next year. So after 200, what will be our net profit margin? What do you expect from those numbers after 200 are stabilized?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#108

We expect the margins to be always in the range of 12% to 15% because this is considered to be leading margin. And we are all the time working to give to our shareholders, leading margins in this business. So as we said that we are going to stabilize these Flurys business for each outlet, our goal is that each outlet must deliver a minimum of INR 1 crore. And we are working towards this. Last year, we had roughly about INR 64 lakhs, so we plan to take it midway during this course of this year. And that by next year, we should be able to deliver INR 1 crore per store. So INR 200 crores, we should be able to give 12% to 15% on the EBITDA line.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#109

EBITDA margin, right?

Vijay Dewan

executive
#110

Yes.

Operator

operator
#111

Thank you. As there are no further questions, I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Vijay Dewan

executive
#112

So thank you so much. I would like to thank everyone for attending this call and for showing interest in Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels, I hope we have been able to answer all your questions. Should you need any further clarification, would like to know more about the company, please feel free to reach out to us or to CDR India. Thank you once again.

Operator

operator
#113

Thank you. On behalf of Apeejay Surrendra Park Hotels Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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