Arcturus Therapeutics Holdings Inc. (ARCT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 10, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Michael Guba
analystWelcome everyone. I'm pleased to welcome Frank DeRosa and Joe Payne. Frank is joining us from Translate Bio. Joe is joining us from Arcturus Therapeutics. And we're going to kick it off with just kind of an open discussion on their 2 vaccine candidates as well as kind of the landscape as a whole. So to kick it off here -- my name is Michael Guba. I am the -- I am Citi's health care sector specialist within the sales and trading division. But yes, just to kick it off, I think, let's open it up with just some general comments from both of you guys on updates as of late and touch points and anything you would like to kind of give a heads up for the broader investment community. I want to start with Joe, and then kick it over to Frank.
Joseph Payne
executiveSure. Thanks, Michael, and hello all on the call. Arcturus has had some recent developments. It seems like everyone's having recent developments in this COVID era. We, no doubt, have some as well. We recently published a preprint paper summarizing all of our preclinical data with respect to neutralizing antibody titers and T cells and the avidity of these antibodies and also this very aggressive, stringent challenge model, this genetically engineered challenged data that we share as well. Very promising, and it just shows more promising data around a single administration concept, perhaps more durable RNA vaccine technology. So it's good to be with you there. And with everyone to discuss that development. Our vaccine is also in the clinic, and I'm more than happy to provide some updates and provide some guidance with respect to the COVID-19 vaccine. Behind the scenes, in our pipeline, we also have a an intravenously dosed messenger RNA protein replacement program for ornithine transcarbamylase deficiency and happy to provide any updates there as warranted. But I'll turn the time back over to you, Michael.
Michael Guba
analystSo Joe, why don't you kind of just give us a general update, background, everything there before we start diving into kind of the data and everything you guys have pulled out.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeAll right. Well, thank you very much. I'm Frank DeRosa, Chief Technology Officer for Translate Bio. Hello, everyone. Just to give a little background of our company. Of course, we're in the mRNA space. We're an mRNA therapeutics company that's actually using messenger RNA for therapeutics as well as vaccines with our partner, Sanofi Pasteur. On the therapeutic side, we currently are a clinical-stage company conducting a Phase I/II trial for the treatment of cystic fibrosis. So this is actually the first inhaled messenger RNA for cystic fibrosis or actually even any chronic disease. So we are really excited about that, and we're proud of that, and we just recently put out a press release stating that we have restarted enrollment of that. There was a bit of a pause there, of course, because of COVID-19. So we're excited to kick that off again and get going for that. So what we're doing now, building our pipeline, of course, leveraging that lung delivery expertise in a whole host of other pulmonary applications and diseases with that. But today's focus is, of course, on the vaccine side. And Translate Bio's role in the vaccine field really stems from an early partnership for the last couple of years with Sanofi Pasteur, just a great partner, to work with a vaccine global leader there, focused on a number of different disease targets. And of course, with the pandemic coming upon us, it was just a natural extension to move into that as well. And so we've been generating a lot of preclinical data. A little bit of that was presented a week or 2 ago by Dr. John Shiver at Sanofi Pasteur, showing some nonhuman primate data, but we look to publish some of that in the very near future as well, and we're excited to be here today.
Michael Guba
analystGreat. Thank you to both of you. So I think I just open it up at a very high level here. Starting very broadly, the time line of a potential vaccine approval has obviously come into focus. So kind of any thoughts that you guys are willing to share? There's been numerous articles from the media on pressures there, obviously, I'm not asking you to comment in any way on the pressures that you've received or anything along there or not. But yes, just any high-level comments, we can start with Frank this time and then maybe go to Joe. We'll go back and forth, play old tennis.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeSure. I mean, in terms of timing, obviously, there's a number of players out there. We're rooting for them all. We think it's going to take multiple players here actually to be successful to treat this global pandemic. So mRNA is clearly in the limelight here, and that's great because we think it's a fantastic technology. And I know Joe agrees with that, of course, as well. And so in terms of timing for our own programs, what we've publicly stated, I'll just repeat in which we anticipate being in the clinic, Q4 of this year, filing an IND and started dosing patients both in Q4, and we're nearing the end of Q3 here. So a lot of momentum and a lot of movement will be happening soon, I think. And with an anticipated, if all goes well on an accelerated path, we hope to have an approval by second half of next year, of course. But that's pending everything goes well with that. So again, we're excited about where the technology is in the field, certainly, and we are hoping for success across the board there. And we think it's going to take multiple people, potentially even multiple modalities to do this.
Michael Guba
analystGreat. Joe? Yes.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. With respect to -- I can add some additional color. The political pressures that we're experiencing and observing and seeing here and the United States is -- not just here in the U.S. as we've interacted with many countries globally, we're seeing that this -- the political environment and the pressures upon these ministries of health globally is significant that everybody wants to see a vaccine approved as soon as possible. And we're also noticing that depending on the regulatory agency we're talking to, that they're more open to accelerated approvals than others, and that's interesting, too, that dynamic. And ultimately, it's their call. And as scientists and as companies with innovative vaccines, we're here to support them. And you just heard from Frank that there's going to be multiple companies that definitely help out in this pandemic. And that the RNA vaccines are definitely getting increased attention and deservedly so for the preclinical and clinical data that the community is collecting, showing considerable promise. But with respect to approval, we're presently in the clinic in the Phase I/II and actively engaged in collecting human data in trials here in Singapore. And we hope to transition to a Phase III or registrational study this year with approval as soon as possible next year.
Michael Guba
analystGot it. That's helpful. I guess just on kind of some of that commentary in terms of the accelerated approval. Obviously, the Astrazeneca hold has been in focus a lot here. So Frank, maybe just given your experience kind of working with Sanofi in the vaccine space, how common are these type of clinical holds? And just any kind of high-level commentary you have there. And Joe, I would love to get your thoughts as well.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeYes, sure. So I mean I won't obviously speak directly towards the Astrazeneca situation. This is for them to speak about. I don't think a lot is known right now with respect to that. But what I can say is what you're seeing here with the COVID-19 disease and the efforts associated with that is everything is sped up, and everything is under a very large magnifying glass, if you will. Typically, the normal process is 8 to 10 to 12 years to drive a vaccine from start to finish. And now you're seeing this done in a year or less. And so I think traditionally, yes, you would see some AEs and SAEs associated with different modalities. And you might see those through your Phase I, through your Phase II and maybe even in a Phase III, and it wouldn't even make the news. This is, I think, really part of the process, and you expect to see that, always wish it, of course, but that's what these clinical trials are for, to be able to learn that and develop the best drug possible. So there's, I think, just a heightened awareness of it right now with that being that the whole globe is watching and that these are in a really tight time lines. So everybody is looking at this now. I don't think it's out of the ordinary for that at all with respect to what you're seeing there. And what that allows you to do is, again, you have multiple players out there. You have multiple technologies out there. Let's see where they end up with this. We want the safest and the most effective possible vaccine out there. What I can say, though, is being partnered with Sanofi Pasteur, you're talking about global leaders in the vaccine field for -- God, they've been doing this for decades and decades. It's 16,000 people strong. They're dedicated to this. So they've got extensive experience in how to set up these clinical trials, large clinical trials, conduct these clinical trials. And it's really just great to have them as a partner to help push this drug product through.
Michael Guba
analystThat's helpful context for sure.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. We'll definitely let Astrazeneca speak to the recent developments there. I think it bodes well for RNA vaccines when the discussion of safety comes forward. I think the RNA vaccines as a whole are relatively simple. They're completely devoid of viruses or any sort of viral vectors or adjuvants. So by removing these variables out of the equation, safety becomes more easily understood and more rapidly discerned. So I think that, that bodes well for the RNA vaccine field. We consider that one of the advantages. So as these events occur, as people are evaluating several different vaccines, as these safety events may or may not occur, I think it's always helpful for people to discuss the concept to the topic of safety and how RNA vaccines can advance that concept and make it -- as we're aiming to provide safer vaccines.
Michael Guba
analystFor sure. And that actually kind of led me right into my next question there. So I mean, for a lot of the investors on this, who are probably more generally focused, not necessarily going to be as deep in the understanding of the science behind each of these different approaches. So if you don't mind, I would love kind of just get some high-level thoughts on the landscape that we're seeing in terms of approaching this. And then from there, we can kick it into more detail on your individual mRNA approaches and then what you see as differentiated about both translates and then our targets. So Joe, why don't we go kick off with you? And then Frank, we'll kick it to you.
Joseph Payne
executiveWell, it's the overall landscape, I always like to just set the stage that there's 250-plus vaccines out there being evaluated and tracked by the WHO and other tracking services. And about 10% of these have matured into the clinic. Some of these are unpartnered academic institutions and foreign institutions that are less familiar. But out of these group, there appears to be a dozen that are gaining really some significant traction in the clinic. We'd like to consider Arcturus is one of them. We view that as positive. With respect to this horse race that people are referring to, there's individual companies in their vaccines, but there's also scientific franchises, a scientific horse race. And that's the RNA vaccines and the protein -- adjuvanted protein vaccines and the viral vector vaccines and others. And it looks like the RNA vaccines have really made a name for themselves with respect to neutralizing antibody titer levels as a class, and that's very important for protection and efficacy. And the viral vector vaccines have really been touting their T cell data. This is cellular immunity. And that's where durability is found. So they're touting their strengths there. And it's been fun to watch these classes and different technologies showcase what they do best. And then really bringing it down a little to Arcturus, we're an RNA vaccine, but we're a self-replicating messenger RNA, and that's different. And we utilize a delivery technology called LUNAR that's different, and we're hoping to combine our delivery technology in the self-replicating aspect to bring additional benefits or features to our -- the profile of our vaccine that we can capture not only neutralizing antibody titers, but also T cells, and do so in a manner with a very low dose and a potential single administration with the supply chain that's reasonable. And I'll pause now, and I'd like to hear thoughts from Frank.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeCertainly. I echo everything Joe said there. With respect to the different modalities, there's certainly pros and cons to each of those, whether it be DNA-based or mRNA-based or subunit-based and different viral vector. There's certainly differences and similarities associated with those with, as Joe had mentioned, no need for an adjuvant per se with an RNA type approach, specifically with the lipid nanoparticle base, which is an advantage once there. I think something for the RNA field that has caught a lot of attention, of course, mRNA in particular, is the speed with which you can do this with messenger RNA. In terms of getting the sequence and being able to have a drug product very fast. I mean this is, of course, was demonstrated by Moderna with COVID and taking all the competitiveness out of the arena, fantastic job getting that sequence within early January, having a drug product shipped out a month later in February is a fantastic demonstration of what messenger RNA can do and what this technology can do overall. And so it's certainly a huge advantage for that. And that comes down also with respect to the manufacturing. I mean one thing that Translate Bio is really focused on over the years is very large scale manufacturing, single batch production of both mRNA and the lipid nanoparticle, the LNP, and to be able to do that to provide, yes, these millions and millions of doses per batch is really coming into the forefront now that we're under this pandemic. It's something we've always been focused on, really, on the therapeutic side and more in particular, on the pulmonary-based applications where there is a greater demand for that in terms of large amounts of mRNA. And so I think, again, with respect to TBIO's experience in this, having large-scale manufacturing already established is just -- we hope can make a significant impact for this pandemic. But the speed with which to manufacture mRNA and your LNP and then the flexibility of it, meaning you've developed a manufacturing process, you can use that same process for a new target, for a new disease, maybe for the next pandemic. You don't need to come up with a new cell line derivation, a new purification process, et cetera, that some of these other modalities need to do. So very flexible and very scalable in my opinion as well.
Michael Guba
analystAnd that's also interesting because the next major focus, I think, we've seen is on kind of just from a distribution standpoint, right? So Frank, to your point, your ability to kind of -- or manufacture, right, and then you move over to the distribution side. So over the long run here, I guess this type of focus on developing that distribution channel could only likely be more advantageous down the line. So kind of moving over to there, I'd say, any commentary that either you have on kind of the overall questions on distribution, on storage, on everything we're seeing there that kind of is brought up continuously across every news article you read?
Frank DeRosa
attendeeYes. I could start with that, and then I'll pass it off to Joe. A couple of things with that. So yes, we've got the large scale manufacturing, which is great, and we love that, and we're always going for the lowest dose possible, certainly. So you have the most doses you can get out of each batch. With respect to distribution, this is really, I think, where we are fortunate to have a fantastic partner to work with, again, with global reach and global experience in terms of not only do, of course, conducting those clinical trials, but commercial product, commercial distribution across the globe and as well as handling and storage and everything that goes along with that. They are just set up wonderfully to do this. And it's amazing having partners that we can work so closely with to be able to execute on that. From a storage point and a stability standpoint, this has come up a lot with different modalities, and particularly with mRNA. I think a lot of companies start with frozen, particularly minus 80, just because of the ease on a preclinical stage from there. We've certainly have moved towards minus 20 and even lyophilized versions of our drug products at 4 degrees. We've shown tremendous stability there as well. So there are a lot of options when you put in the research and you put in the development to do that. It is certainly feasible and definitely possible with messenger RNA as well. And so I think you'll see a lot of the field moving towards that way, of course, just because of ease of shipping and ease of handling to potentially third world countries and things of that nature.
Michael Guba
analystThat leads perfectly over to you, Joe, the lyophilization standpoint.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes, sure. We -- this concept of supply chain, cold chain is a concern to everybody, to countries, their taxpayers with respect to costs and complications associated with distributing something that requires extraordinary freezers at minus 60 or minus 70, minus 80 centigrade or handling these vaccines with dry ice handling at the point of care. So this has come to a forefront. And when we're -- the Arcturus vaccine candidate, we intend to use a lyophilized formulation for Phase III that was referenced by Frank and their development activities. By removing the water out of these frozen liquid formulations, water is the culprit for degrading messenger RNA. So by removing it, you improve the shelf life, and we are intending to use a lyophilize formulation for our registration study. And this means that we will not have that requirement of using these expensive freezers for our storage or distribution, and that will be viewed as a benefit. With respect to distribution, what we found in our experience at Arcturus is that for the pandemic phase of this process, this initial phase in 2020 and early 2021, especially that governments will be the buyers and the distributors will be their militaries, respectively, and that's what we've experienced so far. So we've -- have a contracted relationship with Singapore that's maturing. We're very happy with our progress there in that country. We executed a supply agreement with Israel. And we look forward to playing a key role in their vaccine strategy in Israel. As we're looking beyond that, we're engaged in multiple, many, many conversations with several countries with respect to who's in line for the Arcturus vaccine candidate after Singapore and Israel, and it will be interesting to see how that develops. But the reason I'm bringing that forward is that it's just -- it's an unusual commercial strategy that's very unique when you're dealing with a pandemic. Again, the buyers are countries and the distributors are militaries. As the pandemic shifts and people start getting vaccinated and it goes into an endemic phase, where we'll now enter a more traditional commercial model, we'll -- Arcturus will seriously consider, of course, partnering with a global leader in vaccines. Just as TBIO successfully did. They got an extraordinary collaboration with Sanofi, and that looks like it's going to be very successful. So we will likely transition at that time when it's an appropriate time to identify the right partner for Arcturus for the vaccine candidate, assuming, of course, it's successful in the clinic. So that's our approach.
Michael Guba
analystGot you. That's interesting. And that's actually the question that I get or we get frequently on, it's just on that partnership for you guys. So it's interesting to take here those comments. So yes, I'd love to kind of dive deeper into kind of individual data at this point, now that we've kind of covered the broad base, I'd say, of mRNA. So I'd like to give this opportunity. Why don't we start with you, Frank, just giving kind of the time line of what was discussed from Sanofi? I think, as you said, a couple of weeks back. Would you mind kind of diving into it on any review of the nonhuman primate data that came out that was so promising?
Frank DeRosa
attendeeCertainly. So again, this is just a small snippet of what we publicly released so far. So I'll only be referring to that for today. But in a grander scheme, we've conducted multiple studies in both rodents and nonhuman primates and looking at multiple different constructs. So we've made quite a large number of different constructs encoding different antigens or different forms of antigens for this disease, even in a couple of different carrier systems. So we've selected a lead candidate, certainly, some of the data that was presented earlier was in nonhuman primates. Now that was both immunogenicity in terms of binding antibodies as well as neutralization and neutralizing titers for that. This is over a dose range from 15 micrograms to 135. We saw excellent responses across the board leading us to believe that there may be even some dose sparing capabilities there with that. The second piece of data that was released of those studies was your Th1 and Th2 ratios associated with that in nonhuman primates. And what we saw as expected, because we've seen this prior, was a heavily skewed Th1 response, which is advantageous, of course, for your -- to mitigate any enhanced disease associated with these vaccines. So that is what's been released. We have a plethora of data associated with these candidates and with our lead candidate, in particular, and we are looking to release that in the near future also, potentially in the form of a publication and/or presentation as well.
Michael Guba
analystGot you. That's helpful. And now moving over to Joe. So actually just getting a couple of questions on -- just on overall clarity in terms of that partnership statement. Investor questions, so again, don't shoot the messenger here. But people are interested in understanding where you are in that type of process, if you are engaged in those discussions or if you plan on engaging in those discussions later. If you have no comment, that's fine too.
Joseph Payne
executiveNo, wait. Arcturus has been very open with our strategy here. We're a company with an exciting technology -- a suite of technologies with a potentially exciting vaccine or vaccine candidate that's presently in the clinic. And so we're -- how we monetize this and when and how we partner it is always up for discussion. Folks that have talked with Arcturus in the past understand that we're very collaborative. We've engaged in several collaborations in the past, and I assume we'll continue to do so in the future. So we're very open to this concept. The timing of it, of course, will depend on so many other factors. So I can't give any more details than that, but -- which -- but as we engage investors, they always want to know when is the time lines around data and deals, right, because those are the key value inflectors. And we've messaged already on this call, some of our next milestones with respect to data for the COVID-19 vaccine. But with respect to partnering activities, we're in discussions with several countries that I've mentioned with respect to potential supply agreements. But also, I've alluded to the fact that at some point, it may be a wise course to partner our vaccine or a vaccine franchise, and we'll seriously consider any of those opportunities at the right time if it makes sense for our investors and our company. So that's where we are.
Michael Guba
analystThat's helpful. Thanks for the clarification there. Yes. Now if [indiscernible] I'd just kind of dive into the LUNAR update that you gave. I think it was published last week or last Friday?
Joseph Payne
executiveYes, yes. So the publication was significant. We had 3 prior press releases sharing our preclinical data, kind of piecemealing it over a stage at a time. But this paper that we've just published or a preprint of it bolted on our challenged data as well and avidity data. And this challenge model is a very aggressive one. This is a genetically engineered mouse with the ACE2 receptors built into their lungs, so they're very, very susceptible to COVID-19 virus infections. In fact, after they're exposed to the virus, all of these animals in the control group die within 7 days. We know what the statistics are for humans. And it's a very small percentage who actually die from COVID-19 infection. But in this case, these animals are genetically engineered to be very susceptible. And what we showed is 100% protection of these very susceptible animals to COVID-19 infection. So very, very promising data. And how it's different? Other vaccines have shown success in is the exact same model, but we did it with a single administration at 2 micrograms. So a very low dose, single administration, showing 100% protection in the most aggressive challenge model that I've personally been familiar with. So this is very promising data from a preclinical perspective that we included in this recent data set, and it's differentiating from the other vaccines that have shown success in that model. So of course, we consider this encouraging. And we hope that we can replicate elements of this or all of this data in humans that we're presently engaged in. I think that addresses your question with respect to the recent paper.
Michael Guba
analystYes, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that kind of -- that update. So yes, I mean, I know you guys have both been in meetings throughout the past several days. So I guess I'd like to take this opportunity to just kind of touch on anything that we haven't discussed so far or any updates and even if it's outside COVID anything individually that you guys would like to discuss for that? Or we can kind of dive deeper into the listed questions. Dive deeper into the listed questions? Okay. No?
Frank DeRosa
attendeeLeave it to you.
Michael Guba
analystGot it. All right. So I'm going to drive this in to you, Frank. Kind of just with your experience, starting on the therapeutic side, I believe, right? Kind of what has -- what have you guys learned from that experience and brought over to the vaccine development side from a broad standpoint in terms of your approach to this issue?
Frank DeRosa
attendeeWell, a great question. A tremendous amount. So keep in mind, this platform at Translate Bio has been going for many years, over 12 years strong now with this. And it did start with a therapeutic focus. In fact, it's still our focus, is using messenger RNA for the treatment of rare disease in particular and even nonrare, but the initial focus was for rare disease. We have had tremendous learnings over the last decade and more on every aspect of this platform, so that includes the RNA, that includes the delivery, that includes the manufacturing. And you use that for every program moving forward, whether it's for a therapeutic or a vaccine side. So how you optimize your messenger RNA. How do you code and optimize that? How do you make it more potent? How do you make it more stable? Your delivery approach, different LNPs performed differently, obviously. They have different properties and different applications for routes of administration, whether it be pulmonary or IV or intramuscular or anything else have different requirements. And so what we've been able to do is generate systematic approaches to each of those aspects of the platform. So for pulmonary delivery, we've got specific delivery efforts going on that are focused on nebulization, that are focused on delivery to the lung, getting through a mucus layer, different cell types in the lung, et cetera. And these all have different properties. And so extensive lipid screening and lipid development, novel lipids are ongoing, that are specific for pulmonary-based applications. We took all of that knowledge and that approach, and we put that into our partnership with Sanofi Pasteur right from the beginning, developing LNPs that are different than the pulmonary, different than systemic-based applications for intramuscular delivery. And we screen hundreds, 300 or 400 formulations, really improving and improving and improving in terms of their potency in terms of their ability to generate an antigen-specific immune response of interest, and we've applied it to so many different targets with them more than just the COVID, more than just the influenza that we have publicly disclosed thus far for that. And so you're taking all those learnings. And what it allows you to do over the years when you learn is how to be very effective, very fast in a tight time line. And so you can use one and -- one learning, like with the mRNA and apply it towards the vaccine, as I mentioned. The other learnings really come in the manufacturing side of everything, which is again, how to make mRNA at the large scale? How do you do that? That did not exist when we started. We started this platform in 2008 for messenger RNA, in particular. There was no such thing as large-scale manufacturing at all. So it was kind of nice in one regard because you had a wide open canvas with which to create and to work with. And so the ability to create high-quality, high-purity messenger RNA -- and again, these are large bio macro molecules with thousands of nucleotides long, very different from the oligo world, the antisense of sRNA world and very different in terms of how you synthesize these. And so it took time to develop that. We've hit roadblocks along the way, and we've had to overcome those and find out and develop processes that we believe and we're able to demonstrate that are scalable to multiple hundreds of grams per batch, as I mentioned earlier. No small feat, and it took a while to do that, but directly applicable now, not only to the vaccine partnership, but to all of our future programs as well. And then to do that with the LNP was really, again, a lot of effort, but very successful with the team that we have here at Translate Bio. So a lot of learnings over the years on how to do this, how to conduct this, how to develop assays associated with all of the diseases. Because all these diseases are different, of course. But if you have a systematic way to do that, a systematic way to screen mRNAs, to screen delivery systems, you can really find an effective rapid approach to pushing programs forward, and that's exactly where we are today.
Michael Guba
analystGot you. That's really helpful. And then moving over to Joe. Can you kind of discuss the advantages of a potential single dose relative to some of what else we're seeing out there? I know that was kind of a key walk away from some of the recent data. So any commentary that you have there would be well appreciated.
Joseph Payne
executiveSure. Sure. So at Arcturus, we have conventional messenger RNA programs. These are properly modified standard mRNAs for protein replacement. We have an intravenously dosed messenger RNA therapeutic for OTC deficiency that's in the clinic, and we're still on track for Phase I data to be shared in Q4. We're excited about that opportunity in the liver and what that represents. And we've been leveraging that and all our learnings. With the COVID-19 vaccine, and our vaccine franchise, it's a different technology. It's not standard mRNA. They're self replicating messenger RNA. So when a standard messenger RNA gets into a cell, it prints off an antigen, in this case, a full-length spike protein over a period of a couple of days, and then the messenger RNA degrades as nature intends, and then it requires a booster shot at some later time point. With self-replicating messenger RNA, not only do we express the cell -- the full-length spike protein, but we do so over an extended duration. So in addition to printing off the full-length spike protein, we print off an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, a replicate, that enables the replicating aspect of this. So what does this mean is the kinetics of expression is extended for 2 to 3 weeks instead of 2 to 3 days. So now that it means that we're printing off much more antigen, so it's more immunogenic, but it also implies that our dose is much lower. So our doses instead of triple digits or double-digit micrograms to single-digit micrograms in that area. So the lower the dose means less material is injected, less RNA, less lipids, and less stuff is promising and that's -- and that can give a more promising safety profile. And the self-replicating aspect is also, I mentioned more immunogenic, but you need the right delivery technology as well. You got to get this self-replicating mRNA to the right cells. So not just myocytes or these muscle cells in the local environment after the injection, the intramuscular injection, but you need to gain access to dendritic cells as well is what we found. And it's our opinion that the reason why we're seeing strong and robust neutralizing antibody titers and T-cell data like CD8 T cell data, and the reason we're getting that sort of robust cellular response, cellular immune response is because of not only the self-replicating mRNA, but the delivery technology is getting it to the right cells. So when you combine those 2, you see a different type of profile. The RNA vaccines as a whole is well-known for very robust neutralizing antibody titers, and we're hoping to emulate that as well as an RNA vaccine. But this concept of bolting on T cell data and extending the durability is an exciting concept that we've seen preclinically, and we're hoping to see that. And the durability of the expression means that we may not even need a second injection, which would be an exciting attribute that we could bolt-on as well. So we're hoping to see that in humans. With respect to durability, I think it's worth to just educate the audience on the durability of a vaccine. How is that measured? How has that impacted? What's the science behind it? Well, the first point is, it's neutralizing antibody titers protect the individual from getting infected. So how long does it take for those neutralizing antibody titers to peak? That's a key question. So with standard mRNAs, we're seeing that 7 to 10 days in our preclinical studies. But we saw in our -- and we shared this in our paper that with self-replicating messenger RNA that we continue to increase neutralizing antibody titers for 60 days, almost 2 months. So it takes 2 months to peak. And then with respect to the T cell data bolted on, that's where you see a lot of durability as well. So we're hoping by extending the time line to those peak-neutralizing antibody titers and inter bolting on T cell data that we can extend the durability of the vaccine, and that's going to be interesting to -- because that's what we've seen preclinically, and we're hoping to see this play out clinically, of course. And that's what the data we're collecting as we speak in the coming days and weeks in clinical trials.
Michael Guba
analystHelpful. Helpful. And that actually kind of relays into some of the questions that I am getting now. So one of the questions is, just broadly speaking, can you comment on how you guys see the COVID-like SARS-CoV2 virus evolving over the next few years? Any type of mutations and then kind of the usage of vaccines in that respect? Is it going to require repeated inoculations? Any kind of perspective there? And then maybe even on top of that, another question I got was, in terms of running your Phase III trials, right, there are other candidates out there that plan running similarly large-scale trials. So how do you guys think about recruiting from that respect? Like how the patient availability and then bringing in people to kind of partake in those trials? So [indiscernible]
Joseph Payne
executiveWell, for us, speaking first about recruiting, that's not going to -- because of our interactions with multiple countries, it's a diverse group of people globally and recruiting patients to participate in these trials from different countries will not only produce a diverse group of people but there's limited competition. For example, Arcturus is not, we'll say, famous in the United States. We're relatively less known. But in Singapore and Israel, we're in the media all over the place there. So recruiting was very simple. So as we engage different countries, that sort of strategy will facilitate recruiting, so that shouldn't be an issue. And what was your other question, Michael?
Michael Guba
analystIt was just on like broader thoughts in terms of what you guys have seen in terms of scientific publications on the virus and potential mutation. And even from here, the longer-term thought on what -- where vaccine is going to play in over the long run?
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. I think everyone is starting to get the realization that the COVID-19 is here to stay, that it will likely require a periodic vaccination in order to deal with this and to make sure we're properly protected. How long that period is? It's going to be determined by these initial trials. Is it 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, a year? We -- obviously -- we hope it's less frequent than more frequent. That's why we're paying close attention to the durability variables in the Arcturus vaccine candidate. But I think, ultimately, this will be very similar experience that we have with the flu. That in addition to getting the flu shot annually, we'll be getting the COVID-19 vaccine annually. I think that's just becoming more and more of a reality. And that's my personal expectation and from the consultation of folks that are much smarter than I am in vaccines as well that's given me that consultation and thoughtful council. So I think that's where we're headed. So we need to make sure that -- there's vaccines that there's going to be several companies contributing to addressing this immediate need in the pandemic, but then there's going to transition to the endemic phase where the top-tier vaccines, the ones that are the most effective, safe, most durable, those ones will ultimately play a key role in the endemic phase as we deal with this going forward, and that's how I see it playing out. I'm sure Frank sees a lot of -- he probably shares the same opinion, but I'll turn it over to him to see if he has any color or different views.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeSure. Sure. Yes. Thanks, Joe. Definitely. Similar opinion, certainly in terms of the long term, I think, need for a vaccine for this disease, although everybody is still learning, of course. With respect to the mutations, there's been, obviously, one that's hit the press I guess, a couple of months ago, the D614 gene mutation, aspartic acid to a glycine, which has really become the most prevalent form now of the spike glycoprotein, which originated in Europe and spread globally very rapidly. There are other mutations that are happening. It's a bit at a slower rate, and it's not as prevalent. So based on other diseases out there in terms of infectious diseases, this is mutating somewhat slowly with the exception of that 614 gene mutation. But we have to wait and see. And when will those mutations, if they will, will they affect the efficacy of your vaccine? Will they hit your epitopes that may affect neutralization? We don't know. We'll have to see. One of the nice things, again, just to put mRNA as a technology on the forefront is, if that happens, it's very easy to develop a new messenger RNA in terms of the sequence and the drug product quite rapidly. So as a technology on the whole, I think mRNA is well suited, if not one of the best technology out there to address that in terms of speed.
Joseph Payne
executiveAnd just -- that's a great point, Frank. Like with respect to clock speed, it's not just the time to getting a vaccine candidate. But once you validate the delivery system and the whole process, these regulatory agencies will be amenable to -- just like with the flu vaccine, they don't have to go through 5 years of clinical trials every -- annually for the flu shot. Once you've got a process that's proven out, then you can just swap out the payload and build it right into your commercial platform.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeYes, absolutely.
Joseph Payne
executiveThere's opportunities there. So the clock speed to stay ahead of this mutating virus. It's a very -- it's a strong point for messenger RNA vaccines, no doubt. And I'm glad Frank brought that up.
Michael Guba
analystI know that's helpful. And I mean, I think to that point, you touched on it well. And just to summarize, it's the question being directed in terms of recruiting for this, in particular virus, Joe, just to reiterate, you said you haven't experienced anything in terms of your kind of broader interaction across the globe. And then, Frank, I think, correct me if I'm wrong here, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it's more of the broader technology platform and the potential allocations down the line of what mRNA can do?
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. Definitely, we've added a flu program to our pipeline. At Arcturus, we got 3 flagship assets. We've got a flagship vaccine asset. We've got a flagship liver asset, a flagship lung asset. And if any or all of those prove out there is enormous, I mean, enormous commercial opportunity behind each. So there's definitely a lot of excitement in building out this new world of messenger RNA therapeutics and vaccines. And if there's any good that comes out of this COVID-19 pandemic, it's this accelerated innovation and placing mRNA in the forefront so that people can understand its true value, not only just for COVID-19 vaccines, but for other therapeutic indications. And Translate Bio, they're pioneers in inhaled messenger RNA therapeutics. and we're looking to build out an inhaled platform as well so at Arcturus. But injectable, intravenous, opportunities for the liver, inhaled opportunities for the lung, there's many, many diseases with limited competition that we can pursue if this validates and proves out. And COVID-19 is just another flagship opportunity. And so we're building in a flu shot behind that, a self-replicating mRNA flu vaccine as part of our pipeline, too. So a lot of commercial platform opportunity, for sure.
Michael Guba
analystGreat. Well, thank you, both. We still have like 2 minutes left. One thing that I always like to do is just reiterate time lines because I know you guys have touched on it, both touched on them throughout this presentation, probably multiple times, but I think just kind of having the last section be here's what we're expecting in terms of time lines is helpful. So Frank, if you want to just give us a quick rundown. And then Joe will kick it over to you in terms of what to expect on the go forward.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeSure, simply. So I'll speak just for Translate Bio multiple programs. So with the cystic fibrosis program, again, this is currently in Phase I/II clinical trials. We're very happy to report the early interim data that was very encouraging to us on a single ascending dose portion, seeing increases in FEV1, we're excited to do that. The multiple ascending dose portion has just restarted. We just put out a press release a day or so ago on that, which we're very excited about as well. And we'll see how that progresses as we move forward, as it is still a bit and unknown with the COVID situation across the country, certainly. From the vaccine side, we anticipate having an IND and being in clinical trials for COVID in Q4 of this year, which is rapidly approaching, and we also intend to start clinical trials for our influenza program very soon after that. What we've reported is mid-2021. So mid next year. So right around the corner, we anticipate starting clinical trials for the influenza program as well.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. For -- shifting over to or Arcturus, on Slide 27, on our corporate deck on arcturusrx.com, we have our anticipated milestones, summarized in one page cleanly. We have a lot of human data that we're collecting and sharing this year. We have -- in Q4, we want to summarize some hardy Phase I/II data for our COVID-19 vaccine. For our liver program, that's ornithine transcarbamylase deficiency, that Phase I trial is progressing, and we hope to share that data or we anticipate -- and we're still on track to share data for Q4 -- in Q4 of this year as well. With respect to, not just healthy volunteers, but patients, we hope to initiate -- and we plan to initiate injecting patient, OTC-deficient patients as well in Q4. With respect to our cystic fibrosis program, we aim to select a development candidate this year and transition that to the clinic next year. And then we have the first ever targeted messenger RNA therapeutic called LUNAR-CV, and that's really cool. And for the scientists on the call, they can dive into that and see how is this targeted. The world of siRNA they went for a couple of decades before they identified GalNAc as a way to target siRNAs. Well, now in messenger RNA, you can't just slap on a GalNAc for a messenger RNA molecule. It hasn't been feasible. So -- but we now have a targeted nanoparticle delivery technology for messenger RNA. And that's our LUNAR-CV program. We encourage others to look into that, but that's an interesting side note for Arcturus with respect to our milestones there. Okay. So thanks for the time.
Michael Guba
analystNo, great. Yes, I just want to thank you both for taking the time. Obviously, the breadth and knowledge here is immensely helpful. So especially from me personally as well as kind of all of our clients. So thank you very much. And also thank you more broadly for what you guys are doing for the broader society. So thanks again, Joe. Thanks again, Frank. And with that, we'll cut it.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeThank you very much. Great seeing you, Joe.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes, you too, Frank.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeAll right. Talk to you soon. Thank you.
Joseph Payne
executiveYes. Bye-bye.
Frank DeRosa
attendeeBye-bye.
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