ARYZTA AG (ARYN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to ARYZTA Half Year Results 2024 Conference. The call will be hosted by Urs Jordi, Chairman and CEO; and Martin Huber, the CFO. There will be a presentation followed by Q&A. This call is being recorded. Now I would like to hand over to Paul Meade, Head of Investor Relations, to open the call. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. I would just like to remind everyone that our risks and uncertainties statement on Slide 2 of our presentation applies to all of today's discussions. And I would now like to hand over to Urs Jordi, our Chairman and CEO.

Thank you, Paul. Good morning. Welcome to the ARYZTA H1 2024 Results Call. On Page #4, you can see the key highlights in the first half year to June 2024. Revenue accounts for EUR 1.055 billion of revenue. Innovation share almost doubled on 19.4%. The organic growth is slightly negative. Volume is flat. EBITDA accounts for EUR 149.8 million. The margin is on 14.2%. As you have read most probably, there will be a hybrid bond repurchase coming. The organic growth strategy is still intact. The H1 volume growth was impacted by an active portfolio management, which costed us 2.5% of volume. QSR recovery is ongoing. There is a pressured consumer spending out there. This impacted our revenue in the first half of the year. Most of this was offset by strong innovation and new customers and, with new customers, new listings. Pricing and mix was slightly negative. There were some tactical pricing reductions. Cost inflation trends are unchanged. Negative mix continues to improve sequentially as expected. Innovation is still a key performance driver and almost doubled to 19.4% of revenue, mainly on artisanal products, buns, pastries. Premium products are accounting now at 40% of revenue. We had a solid organic growth performance in France, Switzerland, Denmark, Poland, Fornetti and Rest of the World. Other foodservice performed strongly in most markets. There's a continued improvement visible and recovery in quick-serve restaurants Rest of the World. On Page 7 then, you see the investments in innovation, which will lead to further grow the state-of-the-art innovation center in Germany being underway. This will be available for everybody in the group for H1 2025. It's covering ARYZTA's entire portfolio capabilities and will serve all customers, all channels. New incremental capacities are coming on stream to leverage consumer trends. In Malaysia, laminated dough will be operational towards end of this year already. The Swiss laminated dough line will be operational beginning of 2025. The German artisanal dough line being operational mid-2025. And the Perth investment, as you know, is well underway, operational in 2025 towards the year-end. And all of this investment will enable us to generate volume, new products to serve more customers. On Page 8 then, the commitments. There is one remaining midterm target to deliver, the others are delivered. There is a new CEO appointed. The dual role ends end of this year, beginning of next year 2025. And then the new mid-term targets in H1 2025 communicated to the market, and we will continue to invest in innovation and in growth. H2 performance is to improve. We reiterate the guidance for 2024. We maintain organic growth as expected in H2, which will improve through innovations and listings, to further recovery in quick-serve restaurants. Seasonally, H2 is stronger than H1. There will be a significantly reduced impact from active portfolio management, therefore, more favorable comps in H2 for ARYZTA. We confirm the guidance for the rest of the year and will further improve in all key metrics. Organic growth in the low to mid-single-digit range; continued EBITDA margin expansion supported by growth, efficiencies and cost discipline; further improvement in free cash flow and total net debt leverage; sequential improvement in ROIC. On Page 10, you see then the 5 of the 6 mid-term targets which are delivered: the organic growth; the ROIC; the revenue; the CapEx; [ and total ] net debt leverage, including hybrids. The 14.5% EBITDA margin, we will deliver as well. I would hand over now to Martin Huber, to our CFO, for the financial review.

Thank you, Urs. We move now to Slide 12. Good morning, everyone. I'm really pleased to present another very strong financial performance in the first 6 months of 2024 despite the continuing challenging macro environment. The key highlights are profitability has reached new heights, supported by active portfolio management and consistent execution of our innovation strategy. Once again, we have proven our ability to deliver solid cash flow despite higher CapEx, driven by future growth and IT projects. We have achieved the midterm target of the total net debt leverage ratio ahead of schedule, supported by strong business performance. The return on invested capital has further improved and it is now reaching bakery industry top-quartile levels. We have refinanced our credit facility and are well placed to address our legacy financing position and tap into significant interest arbitrage savings. Let's move now to Slide 13. We delivered an organic growth of minus 0.7% with flat volume growth in H1. The effects of the active portfolio management executed in 2023, the subdued consumer sentiment, the geopolitical impact on our Asian QSR business and the strong comparable base explain our organic growth performance in H1. We expect to improve in H2 towards the full year organic growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. This will be supported by a good pipeline of growth with existing customers, the strong innovation pipeline, the recovery of QSR as well as the significantly reduced effects of the portfolio management and more favorable quarterly comps. Despite the flat revenue evolution, we further accelerated our EBITDA margin by 100 basis points to 14.2%. This improvement is driven by active portfolio management, the contribution from margin-enhanced innovation as well as our disciplined cost management. Free cash flow reached solid levels with EUR 53 million. The difference versus H1 '23 is mainly driven by higher investment in growth and IT-related CapEx and lower but positive contribution from working capital. These effects were partially compensated by higher profitability and lower financing costs. The strong profit improvement and the continued discipline management of our invested capital accelerated the ROIC to 13.1%, further increasing value creation for our shareholders. Let's move now to Slide 14. Revenue decreased in H1 by 0.5% to EUR 1.55 billion. FX added 0.2% to our revenue performance, while organic growth was minus 0.7%. Good levels of organic growth in our foodservice channel with continued solid performance in France helped to partially compensate the effects of portfolio management and the muted consumer sentiment in the retail channel as well as the impact of geopolitical events on QSR. The resulting overall volume growth was flat despite the circa 250 basis points effect of our active portfolio management, which we executed mainly in Ireland and U.K. last year. Pricing turned slightly negative due to some tactical price concessions in a few businesses in Europe. For the full year, we expect pricing to be flattish and do not expect a deflationary trend to emerge. Mix, while negative 0.3%, improved sequentially. This trend is expected to continue for the full year. Let's move to Slide 15. Europe delivered a negative organic growth of minus 1.1%, mainly driven by some tactical pricing concessions in certain markets as well as by continued subdued consumer sentiment. Volume growth was slightly positive at 0.1%, reflecting the negative impact of active portfolio management to exit lower-margin business. At the same time, this value-over-volume strategy supported a significant improvement of EBITDA margin by 140 basis points to 13.6%. Worth calling out that positive organic growth in some of our key European markets like France, Switzerland, Denmark, Poland and Fornetti, which was supported by the resilient foodservice channel performance, but also by good retail revenue. Improved share of innovation on total revenue as well as the contribution from active portfolio management were the key drivers of the margin acceleration. We move now to Slide 16. Rest of World showed a resilient business performance with an organic growth of 2.8% and an EBITDA margin of 18.7%. The important QSR business, significantly impacted by the geopolitical events, sequentially improved organic growth in the second quarter to mid-single-digit levels. Volume in QSR turned positive in Q2 in Rest of World. Foodservice, on the other hand, continues to drive growth despite a strong comparable base. EBITDA margin is below last year. Key contributors to this drop is the QSR business. With the continued recovery of this channel expected in H2, we also expect to improve the margin performance in the second half of the year. Let's move now to Slide 17. Stronger improvement of the gross margin of 290 basis points versus previous year is the driver of the overall EBITDA margin progression from 13.2% in H1 '23 to 14.2% in H1 '24. This gross margin acceleration is supported by the consistent focus on our innovation strategy, improving the share of margin-enhancing products and the actions taken to discontinue low-margin businesses. This resulted in a contribution of circa 190 basis points of this improvement. Cost optimization from our procurement and SIMPLEX initiatives as well as some input cost tailwind added another 100 basis points to the gross margin improvement. This benefit helped to offset the circa 100 basis points increase in labor cost within distribution and SG&A. Although SG&A as a percentage of revenue is 130 basis points above the same period last year, it is broadly flat as a percentage of revenue versus H2 '23. With this increase of our EBITDA margin to 14.2%, we are well on track to deliver our midterm target of at least 14.5%. Let's move now to Slide 18. We continue to make good progress in our cost discipline and efficiency measures. In operations, we are within the 2% to 3% target range. Continued focus on labor and line efficiency have helped to mitigate part of the significant inflationary labor-driven cost increase of circa 100 basis points in manufacturing. Furthermore, we have made good progress in the rolling out of our target cost in progress in a few of our pilot factories in Europe. We expect to deliver circa EUR 4 million cost optimization for the period '24 to '25 in these pilot factories from this program. Procurement is strongly supporting the value-creation framework of the group. We are now covering 70% of the global spend and are delivering, with project SIMPLEX, accumulated cost optimization of more than EUR 28 million since the start of the midterm plan. In H1 '24 alone, circa EUR 10 million cost benefits have been delivered. We expect to exceed the higher end of the target range by 2025. Structural costs are growing ahead of organic growth in H1, driven by inflationary wage and salary increases as well as other input cost increases. However, we are making good progress with our long-term efficiency projects. The shared service center in Poland is live. We have the next 2 businesses in transition and are preparing for the onboarding of 2 additional businesses in Europe. In addition, our ERP standardization road map is progressing as well and should help us to further simplify our processes. And we move to Slide 19. In H1, we delivered once more solid free cash flow of EUR 53 million, demonstrating the consistent cash-generation ability of our business. The difference to the previous year was mainly due to the following. The improved profitability of the business in H1 delivered almost EUR 10 million incremental EBITDA. This, together with the almost EUR 11 million lower financing cost, allowed to partially compensate the circa EUR 13 million higher CapEx to support growth and IT projects and the circa EUR 26 million lower but positive contribution from working capital movements. Let's move to the next slide, please. Despite the lower contribution from working capital improvements to free cash flow, in H1, we continued to improve the efficiency of our working capital. The consistent management of our trade working capital through our group-wide initiatives is delivering results. Since quarter 1 '23, we have improved the efficiency of trade working capital as a percentage of revenue by 170 basis points to 1.3%. We move now to Slide 21. The solid performance in H1 with improved profitability and good levels of cash generation, combined with the results of the hybrid buyback program, reduced total net debt to EUR 927 million. At the same time, our total leverage ratio further progressed to 2.9x. With this, we have reached another milestone of our midterm plan ahead of schedule. Let's move on to Slide 22. Our financing costs, including hybrid dividends, decreased by circa EUR 2.3 million to EUR 33.5 million. With this, we are well on track to deliver the financing cost at the lower end of our guidance for the full year. The hybrid buyback program generated EUR 7.1 million in gross financing cost savings. These more than compensated the gross increase of our financing cost of EUR 4.8 million due to higher weighted average interest costs and borrowing as well as FX. These were partially mitigated in H1 by the repayment of EUR 65 million of our RCF, supported by solid cash generation and further increased efficiency of our cash pooling facility as well as by the continuous interest rate hedging, which is now covering 50% of the current RCF drawing. We move to Slide 23. At the beginning of August, we have agreed a new RCF for EUR 930 million. With this new facility, we have refinanced the existing EUR 500 million RCF and repaid the term loan. Through this financing, we have extended the maturity to 5 years, added additional headroom, simplified the balance sheet structure and generated the additional flexibility to further progress with a hybrid buyback program. Worth highlighting, the new EUR 930 million RCF is substantially based on the same terms and conditions as the existing RCF. We expect to address the remaining EUR 325.4 million of the EUR 400 million hybrid on the next call date in 2024. This will generate annual interest savings of circa EUR 11.5 million in 2025 and create further value to our shareholders. We move to the next slide, please. Strong improvement in our profitability, combined with a disciplined and efficient management of our invested capital, has further improved our ROIC to 13.1%. With this, we are now approaching top-quartile levels of the bakery industry and are delivering strong levels of economic profit for our shareholders. We move to Slide 25. The double-digit EPS improvement is supported by strong operational performance and our disciplined management of our financing costs. Profit before tax increased 10%, while income tax doubled. This increase in tax was primarily driven by the recognition of lower deferred tax credits attributable to loss carryforwards in H1 '24 versus the comparable prior period. Concluding with Slide 26. In summary, H1 '24 financial performance is a result of the consistent execution of our strategy, driving value through our innovation-led organic growth focus, disciplined management of our cost optimization programs and the continued progress on our balance sheet restructuring. We are well on track to deliver the last outstanding target of our midterm plan, and I look forward to updating you on our continued progress at the full year results announcement next March. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Martin. We would now step into the QA session. Feel free to raise your questions.

[Operator Instructions] We will take the first question from the line of Patrik from ZKB.

Patrik Schwendimann, Zürcher Kantonalbank. Congrats for the much improved debt situation. That's really great. My first question is regarding the organic growth development. This 2.5% negative impact in U.K. and Ireland, I guess this was already known at the beginning of the year. What has otherwise changed since the start of the year? In terms of the environment, it was a little bit more challenging than expected. That's my first question. And then second question, also regarding the organic growth. What's your best guess now for '25 with all these new lines going live next year? How much support do you expect from this side for the organic growth for '25? And last question regarding EBITDA margin, you already have reached 14.2% in H1. Typically, for the seasonality, H2 should be a little bit better. So what's your best guess here for the full year?

Thank you, Patrik. I will take the questions in a row you raised. First, for the organic growth, the world changed in the meantime. As we have mentioned, there is a geopolitical environment which is very dynamic. Everybody is affected by this, we as well. There is a consumer sentiment, which is a bit more stressed since some months or even a bit longer. So we are there in the same world as everybody else. But we have good projects, a good pipeline with new customers, new listings, new products in the pipeline. So we are confident to get there the targets for the year-end 2024. 2025, we don't give any guidance for an organic growth. But obviously, the investments, they need to pay out. Let me go maybe into this again. Malaysia is installing a real state-of-the-art lamination dough line for [ picos ], croissants, pain au chocolat, pastries, snacks. This should bring us really into the pole position for these assortments in this part of the world. Then there is a new lamination line going live in Switzerland towards end of this year. In Switzerland, in the production capacity, there are some bottlenecks. We will remove with this. There is a sourdough line for year '25 in Germany going online. This brings obviously as well an incremental turnover. Then the Perth investment with the burger line going online in October '25. On top of this, we have a project about a general overview in the Polish production landscape, which will help us there as well. So no concrete numbers, but there are many good projects. So we are really increasing our activity in this high value-added product segment.

And Malaysia and Germany will go live when?

Malaysia will go -- or is live already, but this is an August step-wise going live. Switzerland will go live towards the year-end this year, beginning of next year. Germany will go live somehow autumn 2025; Perth October, November 2025. EBITDA, Martin?

Patrik, as we have guided at the beginning of the year, we expect to deliver the 14.5% in 2 equal steps. We have shown now a nice progression towards that midpoint in H1. As I said at the beginning of the year, we hold that still true. So we have a continued improvement overall versus previous year towards the 14.5%. So I would use this as the guidance.

But does it make sense to expect that H2 for the seasonality should be slightly higher at least?

I would stick to my statement that we will improve profitability more or less in 2 equal steps.

We will take the next question from the line of Jörn Iffert from UBS.

Two to three questions, please. And if it's okay, I would take them one by one. This portfolio optimization in U.K. and Ireland, can you give us some more details which product categories exactly was going into which channels? And from your wording that this is not on track anymore in the second half, it was starting already last year in summer, just to double check this, but some more details here would be appreciated. I may just start with this one.

Okay. Jörn, again, let me start first with the portfolio. It was mainly a U.K. project, but it was not only U.K., it was Germany, to a certain extent; it was Hungary, to a certain extent. We are living in times with big inflations, pricing need to be correct. And if there are challenges with pricing or margins, we just need to take decisions. These decisions we took, as you know. So it's mainly U.K. and Hungarian and the German decision we have done. Now the second part of the question, I didn't really understand. Could you repeat this?

Yes. I mean, which product lines and in which channel it was, was it in the retail channel in particular? Discount channel?

Retail, both discounts, yes.

Okay. So actually, you could not agree on a certain price point. And then I mean you decided to more or less stop this contract or this product line?

Correct.

Okay. And the second question, please, on pricing, I mean, you said tactical price adjustments. Can you clarify this, where exactly? Again, which product categories and which channels? And what gives you confidence that we are not entering a deflation environment now for the next 12 to 24 months given the lower input cost you're also showing in your gross profit margin bridge?

You will understand that we can't lay out customers and lines. Where this happened, it was in the discount and retail channel. We are quite -- they were price or cost levels which were very volatile over the last some months. So we had to address this with some customers in some constellations. You know, for example, that in the quick-serve restaurant world that there is -- there are pricing mechanisms which are then reflecting this. So all of this impacted the -- this pricing. Now for the time onwards, we rather see a challenged harvest, for example, wheat in this year. You have read the news in Financial Times in French, German, Eastern European newspapers. We are seeing about the price in Europe on an all-time high level. There is a labor cost inflation still there. In Germany, there are big discussions around this. So we do not really see a big deflation trend mid and long term looming. This does not seem to be realistic for us.

Okay. And the last question, please, on your 2024 organic sales outlook, I mean, to reach the low- to mid-single-digit growth for the full year would imply quite a steep recovery in the second half. I mean let's assume QSR would not recover in a tough macro environment, what is really driven by self-help via new contracts signed, new product lines coming on stream? Is this adding 2, 3 percentage points organic growth for the second half? Or is it more or less? Just to understand what you need from macro and what you need from self-help to achieve your targets.

We need the plans to be realized we have for second half of the year. As I mentioned in the beginning, there's a pipeline. Looking forward, [ listed ] projects with customers, new listings, products, and we are optimistic to get most of this or maybe a bit more realized. We hope that the environment is becoming improved. The -- I most probably forget to add one point, which affected H1 as well, there was almost no summer until mid of July. Summer is a good momentum for our products for barbecue season, for traveling, for consumption out of home. So all these impact factors will -- negatives, hopefully, improve for second half of the year. And again, we have strong pipeline projects. There is a clear focus on this organic growth. Let me add maybe another statement I keep repeating. Growth -- volume growth can be short-term volatile. Mid- and long-term volume and organic growth will be positive. This is a characteristic of our business. The first half year, as we told already before, was a challenging half year. So we believe the second half year, with all the activities, will be -- will show improvements.

We will take the next question from the line of Andreas von Arx from Baader.

I also have a couple of questions, and I think I would also take them one by one. First theme I would like to talk about is CapEx. On those projects that you have announced, I would like to understand how much you see a push or pull. So from those additional lines, are they already sold out, these contracts with potential customers or you're just building the lines and you then still need to fill those capacities? That will be the first question.

Andreas, thank you for this. Part of the volume is sold or projected to be sold. A part of this capacity will cover capacity shortages at the moment, will be filled up then with an exchange of port in finished products. So we stopped to buy in products, and we put the products on our own lines. So this capacity is to a good degree used that's different from line to line, can be 50%, 60% or can be even slightly more. Is this answering your question?

Yes, super. When I look at your CapEx level, I mean, plus/minus, I would say you're around 4% CapEx at the moment, which is still significantly shy on what some competitors were planning for the medium term that's tried to IPO to some -- I mean they have CapEx plans that are double of that number. I mean could you maybe elaborate what you think is a reasonable CapEx level for the medium term?

Andreas, Martin speaking. Thank you for the question. I think you can use our guidance of 3.5% to 4%. We have some variation fluctuation when you look at the figures. But when we look at '22 -- calendar year '22, calendar year '23 and what we're projecting to have this year, on average, we are within this 3.5% to 4% range. Also, in our strategic project plan that we are running every year and updating for a time horizon of 3 years, we use this guidance to do the capital rationing process. So the 3.5% to 4% is what we are using as a guiding yardstick for our business.

So I would not have to expect that the new CEO coming in with new targets next year for the medium term would announce a significant step up in the CapEx?

No, that is not something you should expect.

Then the other side of the same theme, if we look at ROICs, I mean your ROICs now are above some other peers or, as you say, at the upper end of the range. Do you think this is a level that should be sustainable long term? Or if you would go into investment phase, could it drop below? Or maybe asked differently, I mean, when you invest in new lines, what is your target ROIC?

I think when we -- when you take into consideration our 3.5% to 4% CapEx range, I do not expect significant swings in our invested capital base. Therefore, the current level achieved is certainly something we will not progress at the same pace going forward. But I would expect to maintain these kind of levels of return on invested capital going forward and slightly improve them.

Okay. And then on your new RCF, does that somewhat limit your ability for M&A in the medium term? Or would there still be space to look at the potential consolidation in the industry?

Andreas, I think what we have always said, let's say, we have -- our strategy is primarily organic growth, innovation and innovation, but we are focusing on restructuring and simplifying our balance sheet. That's another important step we're doing. If we take the next hybrid buyback into consideration, we have since financially -- since the old financial year '22, we have taken out or addressed more than EUR 880 million of hybrid financing. So this is clearly the area where we see the value creation for the shareholder. And for the time being, I would not deviate from that strategy.

Super. And last question, on the taxes, I mean you still have a tax rate of, let's say, around 15% at the moment. I mean, is that sustainable? Or when could we expect to see an increase, midterm? I'm talking midterm.

Yes. Certainly, tax rate, as you rightly pointed out, is currently -- is still a bit a volatile element. If you look at the effective tax rate, that's given the fact that we still have losses to -- which we use to compensate, profits -- in our return on invested capital calculation, we have assumed a medium-term ETR of 25% based on the jurisdictions we're in, based on the consideration of the business evolution, based on the losses we expect to use. This is the rate that we are targeting towards over the midterm.

And where -- and so how would that trend then look like? I mean now going from the 15% to 25%, let's say a couple of years still around 15% and then in 5 years' time, the increase? Or could that come faster? Just some indication.

I think I would take that for the time being as a glide path towards the 25%. There will be some ups and downs going forward. Until we reach it, I would not yet give you a clear statement of in which year and how it's progressing.

We will take the next question from the line of Jon Cox from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Jon with Kepler. A couple of questions for you. Just back on the pricing, you mentioned there's no deflation, but the pricing has gone negative in Q2. Do you expect that sort of that level of negative pricing to continue into the second half of the year? Well, the way you're talking is that actually things are going up and actually that pricing will go positive in the second half of the year.

Jon, this is Martin. As we called out during the presentation, we don't expect a deflationary trend to emerge from that. I don't have to mention the cocoa price. Butter was mentioned, labor as well. So there is -- if we look at the overall input basket, we can actually see that we are slightly higher than what we were when we announced the H -- or the full year results '23. So clearly, input cost pressure is continuing, and we see it as a flattish evolution towards the full year. So no concerns in terms of further increasing pricing reduction in the second half.

Okay. And then you're talking about this sort of step-up in organic sales growth. And as my colleagues mentioned, it looks like a fair jump. I'm just wondering, can you give us any idea on current trading? Like you've obviously seen July, you saw the summer -- it's a summer month, so the weather improved. That helped, I'm sure. Are you actually now trending already towards mid-single-digit organic sales growth?

Look, as we called out, H1 was impacted by the geopolitical events, the portfolio management, which we also said that these effects of portfolio management are largely eliminated in the second half. We see some trends in the recovery of QSR in particularly in the Rest of World area. And as Urs has called out, we have good growth projects with existing customers. So based on this, we have reiterated our guidance.

Okay. And then just on the new midterm plan and when this will be announced, you mentioned, say, mid next year. What does that mean for 2025? Because you've obviously pretty much made all of the targets for 2025 already. How should we think about 2025 and going into it? Or will you just give us some sort of ad hoc interim guidance maybe with the full year results or with Q3?

I think you can certainly expect a guidance for 2025 when we announce our full year results for '24. So you will certainly receive that, and we expect to communicate that. And then we complement that with the new midterm plan in -- towards the end of H1 next year.

Okay. And the midterm plan would be like '26 to '29 or '26 to '30 or something like that?

'25, '26, '27.

'25, '26, '27, okay. All right. And then just the last one, supply chain financing, can you give us an indication of what happened in H1 there? Because obviously, the working capital was -- got better in terms of days. I guess you've used EUR 10 million or EUR 20 million supply chain financing additional in H1?

I just -- this is mainly driven by improved working capital performance. Our supply chain financing facility is remaining relatively stable. And therefore, let's say, the main performance improvement is coming from working capital. And we have also, in some businesses, have moved to more frequent invoicing. That has also helped to improve our working capital.

Okay. So the trade payables supply chain financing at the end of December, EUR 55 million, that's pretty much, what, where we still stand at H1, more or less?

So the improvements are coming from the areas I mentioned before.

[Operator Instructions] We will take the next question from the line of Arben Hasanaj from Vontobel.

Just a short question. I was wondering if you could comment on the trends you've seen so far in the third quarter. So do you see there already, let's say, underlying improvement? Or should we expect something more gradual and then especially an uptick in the fourth quarter, if you could comment on that? And especially also on the QSR channel, so if you've seen there any major improvement already.

Thank you, Arben, for the question. I think -- I mean I can answer in the same tune I answered to Jon Cox. I mean we have had, in H1, with the elements that are impacting, the geopolitical events, particularly in our Asian business in QSR; the portfolio management, which, as we also called out, is largely consumed in H1, and the effect will be minimal in H2. We have seen some first recovery in the QSR channel in Asia Pacific where I said we turned to mid-single-digit organic growth in the second quarter with positive volume evolution. We expect this to continue. We also said that the QSR recovery, this is not finalized. So this is something that will continue. We have good growth projects with our existing retail customers, which we expect to capitalize on. And foodservice, as I called out, has shown its resilience and has delivered positive organic growth in H1, and we expect this to continue. I think this is -- these are the elements that are supporting our guidance for the full year.

There's no more question in the queue. Now I'll hand it back over to closing remarks.

Thank you very much for joining this call. Thank you very much for questions. I wish you a good day and see you soon here in Zurich or at the Q3 trading update. Thank you. Have a good day. Goodbye.

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