Ascendis Pharma A/S (ASND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 1, 2023
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Operator
operatorGood day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Ascendis Pharma Regulatory Update Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's conference may be recorded. I will now hand the conference over to your speaker host, Tim Lee, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Timothy Lee
executiveThank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining our regulatory update call this morning. I'm Tim Lee, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Joining me on the call today is Jan Mikkelsen, President and Chief Executive Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this call will contain forward-looking statements that are intended to be covered under the safe harbor provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Examples of such statements may include, but are not limited to statements regarding our plans to address and resolve concerns raised by the FDA and bring TransCon PTH to the market in the U.S. and statements regarding the potential approval of TransCon PTH in the EU. These statements are based on information that is available to us today. Actual results and events could differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements, and we may not be able to achieve our goals, carry out our plans or intentions or expectations or projections disclosed in our forward-looking statements, and you should not place undue reliance on these statements. Our forward-looking statements do not reflect the potential impact of any licensing agreements, acquisitions, mergers, dispositions, joint ventures or investments that we may enter into or terminate. We assume no obligation to update these statements for circumstances except as required by law. For additional information concerning the factors that can cause actual results to differ materially, please see our forward-looking statements section in today's press release and the Risk Factors sections of our most recent annual report on Form 20-F filed February 16, 2023. On today's call, Jan will make some prepared remarks, and then we'll open up the call for questions. With that, let me turn it over to Jan.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveThank you, Tim. Thanks to everyone for joining us. late Friday, we received a complete response letter from the FDA for our NDA for TransCon PTH in hypoparathyroidism. The CIL stated that FDA cannot approve the NDA in its current form based on deficiencies related to the manufacturing control strategy for variability of delivered dose in our drug device combination product. The FDA did not expect concerns about the clinical data submitted as part of the NDA package and no new pre clinic studies or Phase III clinical trials to evaluate safety or efficacy were requested in the letter. Today's news does not change the safety and efficacy profile observed to date in our clinical trial and our expanded access programs. We believe we are well prepared to address the FDA concerns related to control strategy. And we continue to have a high level of confidence that the concern raised by FDA can be resolved. We will request a type A meeting with the FDA to agree on the best pathway forward. We are committed to work with the FDA to resolve the issues in the CIL and submit the response as needed as soon as possible to bring TransCon PTH to the market in the U.S. In the EU, we remain on track, as laid out in our press release. With that, let us open the call for questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Now first question coming from the line Jessica Fye with JPMorgan.
Jessica Fye
analystI have two, first, was manufacturing controls the only deficiency cited? And second, I think you mentioned no new preclinical nor Phase III studies were requested. Were any Phase I studies needed to back up the control strategy?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveLet me answer your first question. Yes, there was only one deficiency cited in the letter. The second question related to the element how we are resolving the deficiency, we are working with FDA to find out exactly how we can resolve that. I'm convinced we can do it. And we will prefer to our interaction with FDA to exactly find out how we will solve it.
Operator
operator[indiscernible] your line is open.
Unknown Analyst
analystI think that might be me. Thanks for the update. Just to clarify, are any type of clinical studies going to be requested as part of the path to get the drug approved? And secondly, Jan , do you have a sense of how long this takes to resolve? Is this something you think can be done in less than a year I know you have limited information that I think people are just trying to assess how long of a delay this could be.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveThe key question for me is that we now have a clarity related to with efficiency. That is the key question. The other key question for me is this deficiency is not really addressing the safety efficacy of anything what we have observed in our clinical trials don't demand new preclinical activities. What we're doing now is finding together with FDA, the pathway forward to -- exactly to resolve this issue. My belief is that we can resolve it, as I said before, in a fast manner because I believe this is element where we don't need to conduct additional clinical trials. So I feel we are in a position that we can address this efficiency in the fastest possible time. I think this clarity exactly about the timing, we will have more knowledge about having the confirmation of our pathway forward when we have our Type A meeting.
Operator
operatorOur next question is coming from the line, David Lebowitz with Citi.
David Lebowitz
analystUnderstanding it's fairly early in the process. What is your expectation for the types of requests that you might have to like handle to be able to resolve the CRL. Is it an expectation of shifting process, additional testing? What -- do you have any inkling at this stage of what it will take to alleviate their concerns? Or does that really need to wait for the Type A meeting?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes. In the Type A meeting, we will discuss with FDA how we really address the issue in the Type A meeting, we are preparing with our accommodation related to how we believe we can solve this issue. And when we have got this alignment and both FDA and Ascendis feeling comfort, that is the way forward, I believe it's the time to come out and exactly disclose when we can have it.
David Lebowitz
analystIs there a typical timeline for how long a Type A meeting takes place?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes, that's pretty well regulated in less than three months from today or Friday, we will request a Type A meeting. And the Type A meeting will be granted in less than 30 days. So you can say that the clarification will happen pretty fast on how to resolve it. And after the Type A meeting, if there is an agreement on how to progress, there will be two way to move forward as one, if it's related to and you can read it yourself, there is a different element related to a type 1 on type 2 way to move forward.
Operator
operatorOur next question coming from the line of Li Watsek with Cantor.
Li Wang Watsek
analystJan, you mentioned before that TransCon PTH should built on established products. So in terms of the manufacturing control strategy, maybe help us understand how your process might differ from others in the market. And at this point, do you anticipate any potential modification to the device itself any possibility for additional human factors validation.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes, you're 100% right that when we look on the supply chain, it's built on what we call proven technology, proven side. Our [ Drug Skytrofa ] manufacturing is being done by Bachem that have a DMF for PTH 134 in the U.S. Our filling is happening by FECa, which are tubercle cartilage that fit into an insulin pen device instrument. And we basically have developed the instrument pen related to the specification that you typically use in the diabetes development. So from that perspective, I believe we are coming from what we call a supply chain that is proven. And I have not seen any kind of indication that we will change that supply chains.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Kyuwon Choi with Goldman Sachs.
Kyuwon Choi
analystTwo from us, please. First, can you maybe comment on how your CDMOs may or may not already have some of the data you may require to satisfy questions or requests that may come up during the Type A meeting. And second, are you assuming that this is a Class II resubmission? And given your prior filing under a priority review, can you comment on whether you can expect a quicker review on the resubmission? Or would you assume a 6-month review cycle.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes. I think the clarification related to type 1 and type 2 with some may be determined on the -- when we have the Type A meeting. And so it's really a little bit hard for me to speculate about that. I think, as I said before, we are convinced to get this Type A meeting done as far as possible, we need to write it together our positioning, and then we will send it in as soon as possible. And as said before, FDA is what grant us the Type A meeting in the framework of at least 30 days after we have done our submission. So I think there is such a clear pathway forward on this year, and I'm really convinced that we can find a resolution to this issue here. So we basically can get TransCon PTH out to the patient here in the U.S.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Joshua Schimmer with Evercore.
Joshua Schimmer
analystI have a few of them. Maybe starting with the device itself. It's been used as you've noted in other settings such as diabetes. So why do you think this issue is coming up with TransCon PTH? Does it have to do with the unique viscosity? Or are there differentiating elements of this product?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveI don't think it's reflecting anything on viscosity because it's a pretty low viscosity product we have developed here in this rate. And you're right, this is both a device that you will see in diabetes product. You will also see it in other rare diseases like [ batermis ] product is also built on [Indiscernible]. So it's a general used device system you have when I look also on the pathway forward the pathway EU, the pathway EU is really straightforward. And I believe this potential build on the development that we have done with our developed device the drug product and the combination out from the current guidelines that some way are fulfilling the requirement for the diabetes product and other product. That can always be requested from regulatory agent that is very, very specific to one single product. And I'm quite sure we can also be quite sure we can satisfied the specification in such a manner that we really can also bring this product out to the patients here in the U.S.
Joshua Schimmer
analystAnd what kind of variability has been seen with TransCon PTH dose delivered? Is it more to do with that variability? Or is it just more to do in tightening the release specs around what you have shown.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveI think just as we stated before, we have not seen any safety or efficacy concerns in our ongoing clinical trial and be enrolling new patients every day in our ERP program. So we are in a position that we are convinced about the safety and efficacy that we have observed in our both clinical trial open label extension and our ERP program. We are taking this point here is to ensure that there is a controlled strategy that basically can take care of what we call extreme something that potentially can happen in the future in a [ slip ] cases. And I think that is where we're working with the FDA to ensure that we're getting sufficient control that we basically can ensure that we also can do this element in the future.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Leland Gershell with Oppenheimer.
Leland Gershell
analystIt may be impossible to answer this based on the information you have at this point, Jan, but wondering if you believe this is limited entirely to the manufacturing side? Or if there's any overlap with what could be human factors? And if so, how long way the human factors study take for you to execute.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveThat in the [ differences ] there is no element referring into any human factor studies and any kind of human factor studies that not have been sufficient for approval. So I will not reflect this deficiency into the group of misconducted studies in this area.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Joseph Schwartz with SVB Securities.
Joseph Schwartz
analystI was wondering a couple of things that are related. Are there any technical challenges associated with adjusting the dose administration, and it would seem like there's really just one way to resolve this.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes. I'm not quite sure I follow exactly the way you are thinking because the PK/PD has been well established those to our Phase II, Phase III additional studies and even from our Phase I, Phase II study and collecting on PK/PD to our open label extension. So we have a really intense who are what we can call modeling done on how we really look on the PK/PD related to different physiological response. As I said before, we are in a position. We have our Type A meeting, where we will talk about how we resolve this deficiency, which are related to the controlled strategy for a product. That is a combination product. And I'm quite sure we will find a solution from that.
Joseph Schwartz
analystAnd are there any technical challenges associated with adjusting the dose increments.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveNo, it actually produces a diabetes pen system. You just click that as a normal way as I think million U.S. patients do it every day.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Andreas Argyrides with Wedbush.
Andreas Argyrides
analystJust a quick one from us What needs to be done prior to the Type A meeting? how can that speed up the process to getting there?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveThe main thing is that you need to have a briefing document being the written structured and discussed, and that is basically the element of two. We're looking on different analysis we have done from already for the data where we can use that as a supportive. That is basically what we're spending on our time on now, request done as fast as possible. So that is what we're waiting as for the next step for.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Yaron Werber with Cowen.
Unknown Analyst
analystThis is Joyce on for Yaron. Maybe just a couple from us. Once you refile, how long do you think the new review clock will be at that point? And then secondly, just if you could clarify whether you saw this variability in dose delivered in your clinical studies.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveI can ask you, enter the question the last question pretty clearly. When we look on the strategy, we have utilized for clinical batches and the [ converse ] batches. They are pretty equivalent the auto-injector, this is the same equivalent pen device using is the same manufacturing site we use for Phase II, Phase III. So the basic has not been changed, the manufacturing set up its system. So when I come over to the next element in your question is that depending on our discussion in the Type A. There is two ways you can [Indiscernible] lately. You to take 2 months, and that's a view to take 6 months. But we will get that clarification when we go to the type A.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Caroline Palomeque with Berenberg.
Caroline Palomeque
analystI was just wondering if you can elaborate more on your testing measures for the variability of those. Or actually, let me ask that in a different way, is there an acceptable range of variability of delivered dose. And I was wondering if you could just elaborate on your process there?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveYes. So if I go back a little bit in what we call the classical way pharmaceutical development is that deliver dose is element of two parts. One part is what we call the drop content. And this is when you look in the tablet, what is the drop content. And the other one is dose [ aquicy ]. This is basic for a tablet is what is the weight or the volume of the tablet that you basic and then you multiply them and then you will have a variability with call delivered dose. And there need to be some specification there and it's typical being controlled to the ISO guidelines. In injectables, you have the same system, which are pretty simple. You have drop contents, which are basic what is the content of your active drug in the what you indicted. And then you have dose [ aquicy ], which are basic is the volume of fuel injection. And by -- looking on the ability of these two factors, you basically get specifications related to delivered dose. And this is typical how you build up every control strategy.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from [ Saheela ] Hernandez with [ camp ]
Unknown Analyst
analystSo just to understand, there's no preclinical studies or Phase III studies are needed. What could be needed for approval? And also given that you are on the priority review track not just be -- could you not just supplement the data package and go on the standard review guideline.
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveThe question you are asking me is exactly what we're starting and want to address in the Type A meeting, where we will get this clarification exactly how we move forward from where we are today and get it out to the patients. In the CL, there's only one deficiency being cited, meaning is that there basically are no other element that we need to continue the dialogue and discussion with FDA about.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question coming from the line of Joshua Schimmer with Evercore.
Joshua Schimmer
analystJust want to clarify, you talked about extremes of dose delivered. Have you seen significant outliers of the dose? Or is this more about ways to avoid extreme doses. If you can elaborate a little bit more on that? And then what are the gating steps on requesting a Type A meeting? I think you said within 3 months that you'd be able to request what's going to happen over that period of time?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveJust to clarify, the Type A or request need to be set in the time frame up to 3 months. So you can send it in as fast as possible when you have the briefing document ready, but you have a time period of 3 months to send it in I think that was the last part of your question, Josh. Going back to your first part of the question, Josh, related to look at our clinical trials, and we actually have a lot of data now. We have about nearly 145 patients where many are now being treated up to more over 3 years. We have also patient in our ERP program now. And we have not observed any concern related to safety or efficacy. But in a controlled strategy, you also go out and making what we call theoretical assumption about something that potential could happen in the future. And this is what you're trying some way to discuss, and you can be more or less creative in the manner of different possibilities in the future and is exactly some of the element we are discussing, how we really control that in the future.
Operator
operatorAnd so we have a follow-up question from Jessica Fye with JPMorgan.
Jessica Fye
analystNow that you have clarity on what the deficiency is, can you confirm whether or not you expect to need to pursue any further equity financing?
Jan Mikkelsen
executiveI think we are in a position that we are living up to the element we have come out from multiple times with that we are not have any plans or have no desire to really to go out and make a dilutive equity financing.
Operator
operatorAnd I am showing no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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