Ashoka Buildcon Limited (ASHOKA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Ashoka Buildcon Limited Q3 FY '25 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers Limited. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to [ Mr. Bhavin Modi ] from Anand Rathi. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Hello, everyone. On behalf of Anand Rathi Institutional Equities, I extend a warm welcome to the Ashoka Buildcon Limited Q3 FY '25 earnings conference call. We are pleased to have with us today Mr. Satish Parakh, Managing Director; and Mr. Paresh Mehta, Chief Financial Officer. Without further delay, I invite Mr. Satish Parakh, sir, to share his opening remarks following which we will open the floor for a Q&A session. Over to you, sir.

Yes. Thank you, Bhavin. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Ashoka Buildcon Limited, I extend a warm welcome to everyone joining us today to discuss our business and financial results of Q3 and 9 months ended 31st December 2024. On this call, we are joined by our CFO, Mr. Paresh Mehta; VP Accounts, Mr. Peeyush Jain; and SGA, our Investor Relations Adviser. Let me begin by giving an industry overview. India remains committed to advancing its major infrastructure projects, driving forward its remarkable growth trajectory. With a vast road network spanning -- with a vast road network spanning over 3.3 million kilometers, the country's road infrastructure plays a pivotal role in the development of key economic sectors. Notably, while national highways make up just 2% of the network, they extend over 66,500 kilometers, serving as backbone of connectivity and economic progress. In the recent Union Budget 2025-'26, the government has reinforced its commitment to infrastructure by allocating INR 11.21 lakh crore to the sector. Additionally, an outlay of INR 1.5 lakh crore has been proposed for 50-year interest-free loans to states for capital expenditure and reforms. These measures aim to support a rapid growth and enhance transport network across the country. The sector continues to build strong momentum driven by ambitious government targets. This year, government aims to award around 12,900 kilometers of highway project, a 50% increase from the previous year. The second quarter saw an average over 600 kilometers awarded per month, while the third quarter witnessed even greater traction, with November alone recording 773 kilometers in awarded projects. Additionally, October 2024 set a record for electronic toll collection reaching INR 6,115 crores due to increase in travel during the festive season. Additionally, the Ministry of Road Transport & Highways is also prioritizing high-speed corridors while embracing technological advancement, particularly through adoption of artificial intelligence and infrastructure. This includes implementation of automated and intelligent machine-aided construction to enhance efficiency and precision in national highway projects. Now coming to the company. Ashoka Concessions Limited, a subsidiary of the company has entered into share purchase agreements with Indian Highways Concessions Trust inter alia for divestment of its 5 subsidiaries. The aggregate enterprise value of the transaction is INR 5,718 crores, subject to adjustments for cash and debt translating into an equity value of INR 2,539 crores. The company will acquire 34 stake -- 34% stake of equity of ACL from Macquarie and SBI Infrastructure Investments Private Limited and SBI Macquarie Infrastructure Trust for INR 1,526 crores. The company along with its subsidiary, Viva Highways Limited and ACL has entered into an agreement with the investors, SPA, for the following transaction, which shall be subject to completion of sale of certain proceeds, assets of ACL and the company thereby providing an exit to the investors from ACL, post acquisition of ACL Securities held by investors. ACL would become wholly-owned subsidiary of the company with effect from the date of acquisition of ACL Securities. Another development is Ashoka Buildcon Limited and subsidiary, Ashoka Concessions Limited have entered into agreements of -- to sell their stake in several HAM project subsidiaries for an aggregate concession of INR 2,324 crores. Now on the projects front, let me update you on this. Company has received provisional certificate -- provisional completion certificate of 39.07 kilometers out of total 40.6 kilometers. And the company -- the project is executed by Ashoka Baswantpur Singnodi Road Private Limited, an SPV, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the company. Company also received letter of acceptance from MSRDC projects in October 2024 for an aggregate value of INR 2,309 crores. Company also received LOA from BMC for a project of construction of flyover at T Junction on Sion Panvel Highway in Maharashtra for a value of INR 1,126 crores inclusive of GST. The company has also received 3 LOAs from MMRDA in October 2024 aggregating to INR 1,737 crores. The letter of award and execution concession agreement with National Highway Authority for the project of INR 1,391 crores in the state of West Bengal for Bowaichandi HAM project. We are also in receipt of notification of award for Madhya Pradesh Poorv Kshetra Vidyut Vitaran Company Limited for INR 192 crores. This is an EPC contract. Then the company has also received execution of contract with Bangalore International Airport Limited, a bid accepted at INR 1,055 crores. This is an EPC project for construction of elevated taxiway systems, pavement, drainage and ancillary buildings. As on 31st December 2024, our balance order book stands at INR 16,457 crores. Roads and railway projects comprise around INR 14,000 crores, which is 74% of the total order book. Among the road projects order book, HAM projects are to the tune of INR 2,020 crores and EPC road projects are worth INR 9,663 crores. The railway is around INR 416 crores (sic) [ INR 417 crores ]. Power T&D accounts for INR 3,796 crores, which is approximately 23% of the total order book. The total building EPC segment is INR 562 crores (sic) [ INR 563 crores ], which is just 3% of the total order book. To conclude, let me say again that our primary focus remains on maintaining a sustainable EPC business in segments encompassing highways, railways, power transmission and distribution as well as buildings. This is all from my side. I now request Mr. Paresh Mehta to present the financial performance. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, everyone. Starting with the stand-alone numbers for Q3 and 3 months -- 9 months FY '25. The total income for Q3 FY '25 stood at INR 1,816 crores as compared to INR 2,162 crores in Q3 FY '24, a degrowth of 16%. EBITDA for the quarter stood at INR 187 crores with EBITDA margin of 10.3%. PAT stood at INR 61 crores for the quarter. For 9 months FY '25, the total income stood at INR 5,175 crores as compared to INR 5,309 crores, a degrowth of 3%. EBITDA for the period stood at INR 493 crores, a growth of 4% with EBITDA margins improving by 60 basis points to 9.5%. PAT stood at INR 137 crores (sic) [ INR 138 crores ] for 9 months FY '25. Our revenue contribution for each segment for Q3 FY '25 is as follows: Road EPC contributed 57.9%, Road HAM contributed 12.4%, Power EPC contributed 23.7%, Railway stood at 2.5%, and other segments like building, EPC and others contributed 3.4%. Coming to the consolidated results. The total income for Q3 FY '25 stood at INR 2,426 crores as compared to INR 2,699 crores in Q3 FY '24, a 10% degrowth. EBITDA for the quarter stood at INR 677 crores, a growth of 6% year-on-year. PBT grew by 62% Y-on-Y to INR 307 crores. For 9 months FY '25, total income stood at INR 7,450 crores as compared to INR 6,867 crores in Q3 FY '24, registering a growth of 8%. EBITDA for the quarter stood at INR 2,251 crores, a growth of 30% year-on-year. PBT stood at INR 1,074 crores, growth of 137%. During the quarter, the company and its subsidiary, Ashoka Concessions Limited, have entered into share subscription and purchase agreements and other transition documents for the sale of its entire stake in 5 of its wholly-owned subsidiaries, BOT subsidiaries, which were engaged in construction and operating of road projects on BOT basis, which is subject to completion of certain conditions precedent, including approval from lenders of the respective subsidiary and regulatory approvals. Considering the high probability of the sale transactions getting completed as per the Ind AS 105, the assets and liabilities of the subsidiaries have been classified as held for sale in the current quarter. Consequent to this, the amortization of intangible assets in these subsidiaries have been discontinued in the consolidated financial results from the date of classification as held for sale. Further, the company has also recognized deferred tax asset of INR 424 crores on the difference between the carrying value of the net assets of such subsidiaries in the consolidated books and its tax base. Total consolidated debt as of 31st December 2024 stood at INR 6,847 crores. The stand-alone debt is at INR 1,466 crores, which comprises of INR 107 crores of equipment term loan, INR 1,059 crores of working capital loan and NCDs of INR 300 crores. In Q3 FY '25 in our BOT division, the company recorded a gross total collection of INR 331 crores as against INR 314 crores in Q3 FY '24, recording a growth of 5%. With this, now we open the floor for question and answers. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jainam Jain from ICICI Securities.

So my first question is what is the order pipeline which we are seeing right now in NHAI biddings?

Yes. So NHAI is now coming up with projects of 3,400 kilometers, which are already announced. That is NHAI plus MoRTH plus NHIDCL, amounting to around INR 1,11,000 crores. So these are projects which are in pipeline now.

Okay. And sir, what would be the order inflow and revenue guidance for FY '26? Also, if you can give some margin guidance for FY '26?

So for FY '26, we expect based on the order book received in the last quarter and expected orders in the coming quarters, we expect 10% to 15% at least growth in the revenues over '25 with the margins to the tune of 10% to 11%.

And sir, order inflow guidance?

Order inflow guidance would be in the range of INR 12,000 crores to INR 14,000 crores.

Next question comes from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial Limited.

Sir, what would be the guidance for FY '25 in terms of revenue? So it should be flattish or we expect some decline?

See, there would be -- we'll try to achieve the last year numbers, but it could be short achieved by about 2% or 3%. I'm not sure. We'll just see by how the year-ends, a couple of next 2 months ends.

And EBITDA margins could be closer to 9% for Q4, similar as Q3?

Yes. For Q4, we try to achieve the same margins of Q3. Overall mix would be in the range of 8.5%.

Okay. And sir, are there any one-offs in the stand-alone results in 3Q? Did we receive any money from the deals in the stand-alone P&L?

No, no, nothing on the deals in the stand-alone in Q3.

Okay. Okay. And sir, if you look at the results, so our debt as per the results come at around INR 2,050-odd crores and PBT, it is around INR 1,460-odd crores. So what is the difference of that INR 600-odd crores?

This would be debt received from our associates, SPVs.

So we are charging the interest also on that, right?

For debt received from SPVs, we are marginally charging interest.

And what would be the interest rate, sir?

In the range of 8.5% to 9%.

And sir, lastly, if we look at the interest cost, there has been a sharp increase on a quarter-on-quarter basis. So has there been a rise in mobilization advances because debt has come off on a quarter-on-quarter basis?

Yes. So the mobilization advance has typically remained same, though it has been more -- large amounts have been received in the last month, that is the month of December. But seeing the recovery of the mobilization advance also, it remains at INR 1,050-odd crores in both quarter end September and quarter end December. Vis-a-vis the cost of finance going up, definitely money in unbilled revenue and debtors continues to be a bit high in the last quarter also over and above September, which we expect to get all cleared by March end.

Okay. Okay. And sir, our guidance on equity investment for '26 and '27 for the new HAM that we have won?

Yes. So overall, our equity commitment -- balance equity commitment as of date is around INR 380 crores, which is including the last HAM project, which we got of approximately INR 225 crores. So if you spread it over the year, by '25 end, we'll spend around INR 175 crores, '25-'26, INR 112 crores and '26-'27, INR 93 crores.

And sir, lastly, if you look at the HAM project that you have won, so the EPC value appears quite high. So INR 1,390 crores is the BPC and EPC is INR 1,318 crores.

Right. So -- I mean, based on that, that's what we have bid for. So EPC will continue to have its own margin of 11% -- 10% to 11% and they will be higher at the SPV level also. Project cost would be in the range of INR 1,700 crores.

Okay. And sir, lastly, if you could give us a number that what is the total order inflows in terms of EPC value for us still date?

For the year?

For the year.

INR 9,000 crores approximately.

[Operator Instructions] Next question comes from Bhavin Modi from Anand Rathi.

So this year, we saw most of the inflows coming from the EPC road side and there was one from the HAM side. So how should we read this? Like we are expecting more HAM to come with the upturn cycle, our focus has changed towards EPC and power transmission?

Bhavin, now we are all around EPC player. So we'll have new bids from road projects, EPC, road HAM projects, railways, power and buildings. So we are bidding in all these segments and also water. So now Ashoka has become a full range EPC player with focus on EPC and wherever we get an opportunity for PPP, we will pick up some HAM projects and there will be PPP opportunity maybe in other sectors also.

Sir, how are you looking about the tendering uptake in from NHAI, MoRTH, because generally, Q4 is ramping up of awards generally happens during Q4. So are we also likely to see same trend this year?

Yes, there is very much possibility that this March also would see a lot of bids. Like I said, 3,400 kilometers, they are already in pipeline, which is amounting to INR 1,11,000 crores. Plus there are a lot of other bids which may come up by March end. So good amount of bidding should happen by March end. Yes.

And sir, some queries with respect to the monetization. So what is the status of NHAI and lenders approval with respect to the 11 HAM projects? And what are the time line expected?

So in the 11 HAM projects which we have, almost 50% -- almost 70% of our assets we have got in [ principle ] okay from NHAI. And lenders also almost 50% NOC has come. So we are targeting certain offloading of certain HAM projects by 31st March.

Okay, sir. And sir, with respect to Jaora-Nayagaon, I understand -- can you help us with the status of deal with NIF? Moreover, what are the progress with respect to remaining 20% -- 26% stake from SREI and SMPL?

So on the NIF, the long stop date on that agreement passed away long time back. So presently, we are not in active discussion with NIF for the acquisition of the same. And as far as the 26% of shares are concerned, we are still pursuing with MPRDC for getting the NOC for transferring those shares to our name.

Okay. So post that, you will be like 100% shareholder of that...

Yes, including 26%, which we may acquire from Macquarie.

Okay. And sir, with -- last with respect to the 5 BOT assets, which we earlier dealt with KKR and now we are with Indian Highway Concession Trust. So shall we expect timely approvals? And what is the final date with respect to that for monetization?

So we expect to get the transition concluded by 31st March. We are at a very -- a few of the NOCs have already coming from NHAI. We are waiting for a couple of more. On the banks also, almost 70% banks have already given their -- 60% banks have given their consent NOC for change of ownership. So we are trying to achieve the time lines and close it by March '25.

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Anupam Gupta from IIFL Securities.

Yes. The question is on this existing order book. So of the total INR 16,500 crores, what number is under execution at this point of time?

So almost INR 14,000 crores is under execution. One project of MSRDC is yet to start and one project awarded by CIDCO is yet to start.

Okay. MSRDC and CIDCO, so 2 only projects which are there...

Other projects are all started.

Okay. Okay. Understand. And so post the INR 9,000 crores inflow which we have seen right now in this year, what's the sort of inflow you are looking for the balance of the quarter?

Balance of the quarter, expect INR 3,000 crores to INR 4,000 crores, we should be able to looking at the bidding pipeline, tenders which we already bid and not opened. And maybe this March end should throw up a good amount of bidding. So we're expecting around -- yes, around INR 3,000 crores we should do.

Okay. And any BOT projects which will come up in this quarter or BOT only thing will happen next year?

BOT means sell of BOT projects, yes.

No, no, bidding for BOT projects.

Bidding for, bidding for BOT one-off projects come only for biddings. And we are very selective about bidding for BOT projects. So we haven't yet participated in any of the BOT highway bidding.

Understand. Okay. And the next question is on the margins. So margins, you have seen an improvement in this quarter, and you're again saying that next quarter should be stronger and guidance for next year is also better. So overall, do you think that the entire stock of relatively poor quality projects are now over and the new order book -- existing order book is largely 10% plus margins or so?

Yes. But the new order books will pick up in Q3, Q4, because these are all at mobilization stage, design stage. And these are all big structures, real ramp-up we will see in Q3, Q4.

Next question comes from the line of [ Sushant Varma ], an individual investor.

I know you won't -- I mean, this is not the forum to really answer the -- answer the question about the stock market and anything like that. But very clearly, in the last 45 days, the stock has lost about 25% of its value. I know you won't probably comment on that. But does that indicate that the whole sector will have tailwinds considering the budgetary allocation or the overall environment. So how is it going to pan out? I'm a bit worried about the sector as a whole and particularly, of course, Ashoka Buildcon. So what's your view on that?

I think the stock markets are playing out more on public sentiment and sentiment with the government. I cannot really specifically say why stocks are moving up or down in these last couple of months throughout in every sector. So better not said than commit anything on that.

No, no, I understand that, sir. That's why I started with that saying, I don't expect an answer from a stock movement perspective from you. But does that indicate an underlying problem in this sector? That is what I'm trying to find out.

No, I agreed, agreed. So opportunity remains buoyant. There's no challenge on that. The government's focus on infrastructure and as we have seen in the last few months, even in the state level also, they're very keen in giving out projects. So I think it's buoyant as far as the infra layout is concerned, you may call it whether roads, you may call it solar, you may call it railways, everywhere, they are looking at [ moisturing ] up the infrastructure facility and quality.

Right. Yes. I mean that is what was my assumption to. But somehow, I mean, I'm not getting a very good vibe probably in the last 45 days. That's what I said. So maybe I wanted to understand if you had any other perspective. So it looks like we will probably continue to do, Ashoka Buildcon would continue to do equally good or -- I mean, hopefully better than last year, right? I mean, the pipe and everything.

Definitely. Definitely. We see a lot of opportunities.

Next question comes from the line of Vasudev from Nuvama.

Yes. So, sir, you just mentioned in the previous question that we are looking to dispose some of our 11 HAM assets by end of FY '25. So what is the value that we are expecting? And when do we expect the entire transaction to get completed?

Approximately by [ '25 ] March, we should be able to sell assets out of the INR 2,300 crores, INR 1,000 crores of assets by March [ '25 ] and balance by December -- September -- in the September, December quarter, the balance projects in Q1, Q2, Q3 as the projects are ready for being transferred.

Okay. Sure, sir. And so like we'll have this few assets sale of from HAM and you also said that 5 BOT assets also we are projecting to complete the sale by March end. So what is the debt levels that we should be expecting by the end of the year?

So by the end of the year, approximately INR 2,000 crores of -- INR 2,500 crores of debt on the BOT projects will go off the books. And approximately another -- maybe I'll have to check that out, maybe around another [ INR 1,000 crores to INR 500 crores ] of debt on the HAM projects will go off the books. So we should see approximately INR 4,000 crores of debt to go out of the books by March on a consol basis.

Okay. Sure, sir. And on the bid pipeline, you said that from NHAI and MoRTH, it's INR 1,11,000 crores. So how is it looking on the other segments?

So other segments also bidding is happening. Railways is quite optimistic. A lot of bids are coming in. Power segment, we see at state levels. So definitely there's a bidding pipeline.

Okay. Okay, sir. And sir, on the CapEx front, just what we've done in the 9 months, how much are we projecting for Q4 and FY '26?

Yes. On the CapEx front, we have spent approximately -- just give you the number, around INR 55 crores on CapEx. And probably in this quarter, we will spend another INR 20-odd crores.

Okay. And for FY '26, we charted out...

Around INR 125 crores in total.

INR 125 crores. Okay, sir. And sir, just last one, if you can again repeat the revenue breakup for the quarter between different segments?

For the each segment, okay, I'll just tell you. On the Road EPC, INR 1,051 crores, Power, INR 471 crores.

Power, okay.

Railway, INR 169 crores. And other segments all put together approximately INR 45 crores.

Next question comes from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial Limited.

Sir, when do we expect the appointed date for the new HAM and what is the land status for the same project?

Can I get the question again?

Sir, when do we expect the appointed date for the new HAM.

The new HAM appointed date, I think so financial closure will be by March end, March somewhere. And September -- sorry, July -- somewhere around July, we should expect.

And what is the land status?

Land status, [ 3D ] has been done for the substantial portion more than -- but 3G is in process. So out of 293 hectares required, 283 3D has been processed. So this may take around 3 to 4 months for the lands to clear. And therefore, we are expecting somewhere around September to get the appointed date.

Okay. And what is -- when do we expect to start the MSRDC and CIDCO project?

So only 1 out of 3 MSRDC, 2 have started. One will start by March end. This is for MSRDC. And CIDCO, we may see a start date by April or May.

And sir, in CIDCO ourselves for 51%?

Yes. Ashoka Buildcon is 51%.

And who is our partner in the project?

We have a JV partner called Akshaya Infrastructure Private Limited.

Okay. And sir, have we started the execution of the Kempegowda Airport project?

Yes, Kempegowda is -- execution already started. It is going on in full swing.

Next question comes from the line of Sahil Jain from Seven Islands PMS.

Yes. So I have one question related to the balance sheet side. So I've seen the debt is like too much. So are there any plans to reduce the debt level? And I see the interest cost also going up quarter-on-quarter basis. So what are the company's plan to reduce the debt? And any guidance on any numbers on the -- how would the balance sheet look like in FY '26 end?

So you're looking at the consol balance sheet or the standard accordingly?

Yes. Consol balance sheet.

On the consol -- so there are 2 parts of the debt. One is the debt on the projects and one is the debt on the stand-alone EPC business. On the debt of the project level, these will get reduced as and when we keep on selling those assets to the buyers, which we have suggested some by March and some by Q3 -- Q1, Q2, Q3 of next year. So a substantial portion of the debt, which is approximately INR 5,500 crores should go off the books by December 2025. New debt will pick up, say, like for the last Baswantpur project, debt may -- we'll start picking up debt. But other than that, there is no other project debt. As far as stand-alone debt is concerned, approximately we have INR 1,400 crores of stand-alone debt, which we expect to reduce as and when recoveries at our EPC businesses in power largely and in certain projects in roads, we expect receipts to come out from either the concerned employers or from -- in the process of sale of our BOT projects where these debts will be paid off. So from that perspective -- and if these transactions on the sales happen by June end, most of the stand-alone debt also should become substantially low.

So can you quantify the amount, the new debt that you said that you'll be raising for the projects for the -- like after the repayment...

So what we have told is we'll receive approximately INR 2,500 crores from sale of our BOT projects, which will be split into INR 1,750 crores in one stage and balance INR 750 crores in the next stage and INR 2,300 crores in the HAM projects. So this approximately INR 4,800 crores is what we expect to receive. And after clearing of dues of Macquarie of around INR 1,500 crores, we'll be left with approximately INR 3,000 crores, will be used for lowering debt and other consequent opportunities in HAM and other infra projects.

Okay. Okay. So going forward in FY '26 and, say, March 2027, what would be the balance sheet look like, like the cash debt on the consol level?

Should be substantially low, substantially low.

That would be low. And what about cash?

What about...

Cash and equivalents.

[Technical Difficulty] surplus based on this. It all depends on what plants come up in the '25-'26. But still even then also, it should not be -- it should be substantial cash on books.

We can say we can be net cash by FY '26, we can...

Yes.

Okay.

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of [ Dr. Amit Vora from the Homeopathic Clinic ].

So my question is that after selling this present HAM and BOT projects, what other projects of HAM or BOT will be pending with us? And if you can tell the value of those projects, if possible?

So we have only one HAM project with us, which is recently awarded to us, which will continue on our consol books of total project size of INR 1,700 crores, debt would be around in the range of INR 900 crores. But the debt to be taken would take at least 2 years' time to pick that debt. Other than that, there will be no major debt on the books on certain small annuity projects which we have. And there will be debt on the Chennai-ORR project, which we have on a consol basis.

And projects apart -- after selling this 5 BOT and the 11 HAM projects, we would not be having any other projects right now?

We'll have one Jaora-Nayagaon project, toll road project and one Chennai-ORR annuity big project and 2 small annuity projects, which will also get closed by Q1. So it's largely one toll project, one annuity project and one HAM project.

So after -- [Foreign Language]. 2 big and 2 small projects after selling this 5 BOT and 11 HAM projects.

Yes, yes.

And of late it has been seen that the toll collection has been very good. So does that affect our balance sheet also?

Yes. So we have seen growth in our certain major projects, leaving one-off. But otherwise, we have seen a 5% growth in the toll revenues quarter-on-quarter.

Okay. One last question, in between, we had heard about -- news about the investment in green hydrogen. If you can just brief us something about that? Will that be under ABL only or it will be a separate company?

So this is an MOU entered with the Bihar government, wherein they are supposed to provide us a land for putting up the entire project. The green hydrogen project is basically a project powered by solar power, by renewable energy. So we'll be powering it by solar power. And this proposal is in a very inception stage, and we'll give you a update as and when it materializes.

Okay. And it would be under ABL only, Ashoka Buildcon only [Foreign Language].

Yes, it will be on the subsidiary of Ashoka Buildcon.

Okay. And one last thing. See, green hydrogen is a completely new thing, and we are into infrastructure and all EPC. So I don't doubt your capability, but then do we have sufficient capabilities about green hydrogen? This expertise is something different, so...

So this is what basically we need to build over the period. And green power, solar, we have enough capability and understanding of solar business. Hydrogen production is not something new which is done. Whenever it is powered by renewable energy, it's a green hydrogen.

Next question comes from the line of Bhavin Modi from Anand Rathi.

Yes. Sir, just a small -- like sir, what is the order addition till 9-month December '24? And what is the addition this quarter like in Q3?

Till date, we have got around INR 9,000 crores of order book and another INR 3,000 crores is what we are looking at.

So sir, when you say INR 9,000 crores, so do you also include the Nandgaon-Amravati project?

What is Nandgaon-Amravati?

The EPC project, from MSCPL.

L1, we have not taken. Only the orders, LOA, we have received, that is INR 9,000 crores. To be specific, INR 8,900 crores -- INR 8,980 crores, if you want exact.

So this is till December, right, December '24?

December end, yes.

And we expect more INR 5,000 crores of...

INR 3,000 crores is what we expect to close by this year-end.

As there are no further questions from the participants, that concludes today's conference. On behalf of Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers Limited, thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, everyone.

Thank you, everyone.

Thank you.