Assicurazioni Generali S.p.A. (G) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 25, 2023

Borsa Italiana IT Financials Insurance earnings 74 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon. This is the conference operator at Chorus Call. Welcome, and thank you for being with us on the Generali Group First Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. <<operator_script>> At this point, I would like to hand the conference over to Mr. Fabio Cleva, Head of Investor and Rating Agency Relations. Sir, please go ahead.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#2

Morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our first quarter call. Joining us today are Marco Sesana, our Group General Manager, and Cristiano Borean, our Group CFO. Before we begin the Q&A session, I'll turn things over to Marco and Cristiano for some opening remarks. Marco, over to you.

Marco Sesana

executive
#3

Thank you, Fabio, and hello everyone. To begin, I want to say that the first-quarter financial results we posted confirm the group's capacity to produce solid growth and to carry out our strategic plan, even amid difficult circumstances marked by geopolitical pressure and volatile financial markets. So our strategy, we believe, is stronger than it has ever been. Our vision of becoming a lifetime partner to customers showed good progress during the first quarter. As we reach — I should say, we reached 69 million clients, growing our client base by nearly 1 million. It is clearly very important that we expand our client base by that much, and it matters that customers have entrusted Generali with their saving and protection. That is proof we are always there when a customer needs us. On that note, as most of you have seen in the news, this is a hard period for some Italian communities because of the flooding in Emilia-Romagna. So let me say we feel very close to that community. We have set out several initiatives, and we are on the ground to support people. I want to thank all our Italian colleagues, our agents, and everyone present on the ground who is working to support our clients.

Marco Sesana

executive
#4

Turning back to our customer — we strengthened our standing, achieving the top spot among peers for relationship Net Promoter Score at 19, an increase of 4 percentage points versus a year ago. That plainly shows the work, commitment and attention we put into constantly raising the standard of our advisory offering. To illustrate, 70% of policies, or of customers who have obtained insurance policies, now come via digital channels. Moving on to the individual businesses, beginning with Life: on volumes, during the first quarter we continued to see the industry pattern witnessed in the second half of 2022. Distribution — our proprietary channels, such as agents and employees — stays the primary lever for shifting the business mix toward our preferred line. The product mix seen in the first quarter confirmed how effective our distribution strategy is. Specifically, I would highlight protection, which came in at EUR 1.3 billion, driven by Italy and the international region, and unit linked, which hit EUR 1.4 billion, showing resilience relative to the broader insurance market. As a reminder, protection is the chief source of value, since NBV depends on protection for over 42%.

Marco Sesana

executive
#5

At Generali, we're seeing lapses go up — a moderate rise — and it was concentrated in a very specific customer segment within bancassurance channels. So that moderate increase showed up, particularly in Italy, mainly tied to Generali Life. Those products are distributed chiefly by Banca Generali along with other banking partners to affluent and high net worth individuals, who are especially sensitive to how interest rates move. On the positive side, a significant share of this outlook has been recaptured by our bank into other managed products. What's more, I'd say our preliminary figures for April and May indicate an improving trend in Italy, reflecting the positive effect of our new product offering and retention initiatives. In France, we've also seen an uptick in the lapse rate, primarily tied to large contracts distributed to a banking partner, which carry a high profit sharing growth. This increase for that product — which typically has limited profitability from Generali's perspective — is mainly driven by affluent and high net worth individuals moving their portfolio toward other asset classes. Broadly, from a product standpoint, our business units are adapting to changing customer appetite. And we preserve market competitiveness. In particular, we're updating existing products and launching new ones that are more attractive in the current market context.

Marco Sesana

executive
#6

I'll walk you through a few illustrations. Take Italy, for instance: within the hybrid offering, we're adjusting how much of our premium goes toward saving as opposed to unit link. We're rolling out a temporary variable fee so that customers get better yields over the short term. And we will pilot a new product generation featuring 2 underlying segregated funds, which gives our customers a more competitive yield. I'd also like to restate that, with interest rates having risen, our overall strategy stays the same. We keep a strong emphasis on underwriting discipline for new business in Protection & Health, and on capital-light products, reinforced by protection riders. Bundled solutions will remain the focus of our strategy, meeting several customer needs through one product, consistent with our lifetime partner ambition. We're convinced that the protection business especially holds significant growth potential, helped also by customers' greater awareness of protection needs after COVID-19. As I mentioned, this line of business accounts for nearly 50% of our new business value and carries more insulation from lapse risk, given its lower sensitivity to how interest rates move. That distinctive value proposition is a considerable differentiator for life insurance products when set against other investment products.

Marco Sesana

executive
#7

Beyond staying disciplined when it comes to new business, we keep pursuing and adjusting our approach so that our in-force portfolio is optimized. As I believe you've noticed, the recent announcement regarding the Pensionskasse disposal aligns with that -- in Germany, it aligns with that. And it substantially lowers the risk exposure we carry from annualization in the German Life operations. Let's turn now to P&C. Growth in the P&C business, especially in Italy, Germany and France, should keep going at the same pace we witnessed in 2022. Gross written premium in the first quarter of '22 rose 10% versus a year earlier. That expansion comes mainly from non-motor, which is increasing in both price and volume. For full year 2022, you'll recall we reported a 3.3% rise in the average premium within our retail and SME book. By the close of the first quarter, that figure had climbed to 6.3% in motor and in non-motor accident, health and disability. Non-motor premium especially kept expanding markedly, helped by the tariff strengthening put in place last year plus the impact of the indexation mechanism. Travel insurance, thanks to Europe assistance, maintained its robust upward trend, with additional support from the U.S.

Marco Sesana

executive
#8

We have a partnership with the big online players. In motor, the average premium in our main market keeps rising. Strengthening tariffs in line with market inflation and pruning the portfolio stay a key focus, and the group will keep coordinating implementation and the technical measures needed to pursue profitable growth in our strategy. That said, it is important to note that price increases usually need 12 to 18 months to unfold and deliver the full benefit on P&C profitability. So they will progressively show up in our numbers as policies come up for renewal during the year. Our technical levers, such as risk selection and claims manager, are being intensified. Now we move to investment. A few notes on the different asset classes. So our listed equities -- on listed equities, we maintain a prudent approach. In credit, we confirm our selective approach with low exposure to more cyclical sectors and highly leveraged companies. We saw a very limited number of rating downgrades in the portfolio. Our funded exposure to private real assets is lower than peers, which allows us to deploy better multiples in attractive vintages. We have taken a prudent approach to exposure to private debt, as in this asset class we confirm the existing commitment while we have reduced the new allocation given the change in market conditions.

Marco Sesana

executive
#9

Turning to our private equity holdings, we are seeing distributions slow down; however, after carefully reviewing the valuations, we determined that the marks our general partnership supplies are prudent. Now, before wrapping up, a few remarks about real estate, where our exposure stands at roughly EUR 35 billion. More than 80% of our direct portfolio is made up of high-quality assets situated in major cities, in core locations. Meanwhile, under 5% of that portfolio sits in markets facing greater pressure, such as the U.K., the U.S., and Scandinavia. Those factors, combined with a disciplined approach to selecting tenants, account for the low vacancy levels we have, which sit near 10%. That figure includes vacancy tied to building refurbishments aimed at improving energy efficiency, in line with our ESG strategy. We feel comfortable with our real estate exposure, helped as well by the negligible leverage we carry with LTV — a loan-to-value of 7%. So to conclude, the first quarter '23 result confirms our capacity to produce solid growth and to execute our strategic plan. As we head into the second quarter, we are confident about the right direction in which we are steering the group. Now, Cristiano, over to you.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#10

Thanks, Marco, and good morning, all. Earlier today we reported our first set of quarterly results prepared under the new accounting standards. I'd like to offer a few comments on our financial performance that build on Marco's view of the underlying business trends. The figures reflect a very strong opening to the year, with an operating result above EUR 1.8 billion, up 22% compared with a year earlier. We are glad to reaffirm this as well in the present context, but we remain fully on track to hit the financial targets set out in our strategic plan. As we noted at our December 2022 Investor Update, IFRS 17/9 give a clearer picture of the economic trends behind our numbers and render the Life operating result steadier and more predictable. Back in December, we explained how the new adjusted net result would be computed once IFRS 17/9 took effect. That KPI, on which our EPS growth target is reported, normalizes the reported net result by taking into account the effect of the following 4 elements. First, volatility arising from marking to market assets at fair value through profit or loss held in not-participating business and the shareholders' fund. Second, the use of hyperinflation accounting. Third, amortization of intangibles tied to M&A transactions. Four, gains and losses stemming from acquisitions and disposals.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#11

The adjusted net result measure gives you a bottom-line KPI that better captures how the underlying business is performing. During Q1 2023, adjusted net results rose substantially, moving from EUR 821 million to EUR 1.23 billion. That shows the advantage of the group's diversified profit sources, which support our operating results and are now growing more and more visible. Let me now walk briefly through the financial performance of our key business segments. Our top line keeps expanding in the areas we focus on, chiefly non-motor P&C. Non-motor gross written premium grew 11.4% in 2022, and that carried into this quarter with growth of 12.1%. This matters because faster non-motor GWP growth lets our P&C portfolio gradually rebalance toward a segment with healthy underwriting margins and a combined ratio of roughly 90%. Naturally, those premiums are now being reinvested at yields above what our strategic plan assumed, owing to higher interest rates. So growth in non-motor lifts underwriting results and also strengthens the investment result before finance expenses. Our motor P&C top line likewise shows clear improvement, as the tariff strengthening actions Marco described have begun to come through.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#12

Those figures point to an improving trend in personal lines. Beyond the solid top-line growth, P&C posted a substantial rise in operating results, moving from EUR 485 million to EUR 847 million. I'll offer a few comments about the combined ratio, comparing this quarter with the first quarter of 2022. As we noted in the Investor Day Update last December, we guided to an optical overall increase of around 2 percentage points in the reported combined ratio, with no effect on the P&C operating result, mainly due to the change in the calculation formula. Under IFRS 17, the combined ratio for the first quarter of 2023 came in at 90.7%, 5.6 percentage points below the prior year and helped by 4 main drivers. Driver one is the larger benefit from discounting after interest rates rose during 2022. Driver two is the inflation-driven strengthening of provisions on our P&C reserves, which, as you may remember from recent calls, we put in place during 2022. The third impact is the rebalancing of the P&C book toward the non-motor line, which is more profitable and carries a lower combined ratio. And finally, natural catastrophes were negligible in the first quarter of 2023.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#13

In the first quarter of 2022, losses from natural catastrophes came in broadly around the long-term historical average, with an impact of 140 basis points on the reported combined ratio. Because of the discounting element under IFRS 17, the operating result is more sensitive to interest rates. That makes it important to include the undiscounted view of the insurance service results and of the combined ratio as relevant KPIs. For the first quarter of 2023, the undiscounted combined ratio stood at 93.8%, versus 97.4% in the same period a year earlier. As we discussed before, when we disclose at the reporting date, we will include both the discounted and the undiscounted operating insurance service results and combined ratios. At the close of the first quarter, the undiscounted operating insurance service result was EUR 446 million, whereas in the first quarter of 2022 it was EUR 163 million. The discounted operating insurance service result came to EUR 669 million this quarter, compared with EUR 233 million in the same period of last year. Given how relevant discounting is, let me give you an indication of the direction of travel for the year. Setting interest rate moves aside, you should expect the discount benefit to decline gradually quarter-on-quarter, though in a nonlinear way, which also means that the discount impact on the combined ratio will lessen during the year.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#14

I'd be glad to go into more detail on this when we get to Q&A. As a point of reference, though: in the first quarter of 2023 we saw a benefit of EUR 223 million, and assuming interest rates stay stable, you could expect a discounting benefit of between EUR 650 million and EUR 700 million across 2023. What matters most here is that the EUR 223 million discount benefit from the first quarter of 2023 should not simply be multiplied by 4. Last, on P&C, operating investment results fell from EUR 252 million in the first quarter of 2022 to EUR 178 million in the first quarter of 2023, driven by higher finance expenses reflecting how the rise in interest rates through 2022 affected the unwinding component. Turning to Life. In this segment, the trends that began in the second half of 2022 are carrying on. Still, it's important to stress, as Marco did, that net inflow in protection and in unit-linked remains positive. The profitable business mix that our strong, mostly proprietary distribution network makes possible is essential for sustaining a new business margin that stays top of class by any standard. On new business volumes, we are down 15.6% in terms of present value of new business premiums.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#15

Keep in mind that the year-over-year movement was magnified by a larger discounting impact after interest rates went up in 2022. In fact, new business production, when measured as annual premium equivalent, fell by a gentler minus 3.6% versus the same period a year earlier. The margin rose 32 basis points to 5.72%, which is an excellent level. That gain mirrors a clear strengthening in underlying new business profitability, driven by the quality of the product mix and higher interest rates. As Marco mentioned, beyond new business, we remain focused on optimizing the in-force book; the recently announced Pensionskasse disposal forms part of that strategy and will support ongoing improvement in the liabilities profile, with an expected positive contribution of 1 percentage point to the group solvency ratio. The Life operating result of EUR 924 million is nearly 10% above the IFRS 4 Life operating result in the first quarter of 2022. As we said on our full year 2022 earnings call, the Life operating results under IFRS 17 will be stable in terms of growth. That means in line with 2022, though bear in mind that in 2022 the Life operating result rose 25% year-on-year, helped as well by nonrecurring items that become recurring under the new accounting standards, and also reflecting the upward movement in interest rates.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#16

Life's operating results came in at EUR 924 million, which is 1% higher than the first quarter of 2022 on a comparative basis. The biggest factor behind the larger increase was the lower stock of Life CSM at the start of the period, which followed the negative economic variances seen during 2022, mainly from weaker equity markets and elevated volatilities. The Life operating result was powered by the EUR 743 million CSM release, and that figure is below the EUR 824 million of new business CSM. That's a meaningful outcome considering it came about while new business production was slowing, and it demonstrates that our product mix is properly calibrated to support at least the CSM growth path. The expected return of the CSM — meaning the sum of the unwinding of the discount plus the contribution from the expected realization of real-world extra return over the risk-free rate — also added materially to the stock of CSM before the release. I want to emphasize that expanding the CSM by 4% in the quarter when new business volumes were lower is a remarkable performance, even though positive economic variances supported it. And once again, it's important to point out that the new accounting standards give a clear and more informative view of how new business value links to the Life operating results, and they are also more closely aligned with the Solvency II framework.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#17

In the first quarter of 2023, the Asset & Wealth Management segment posted an operating result of EUR 233 million, which is 10% lower than a year earlier. Wealth Management had a strong showing, with Banca Generali delivering 27.4% growth in its operating result, helped by the tailwind from higher short-term interest rates. There are primarily 2 reasons for the smaller contribution from Asset Management. At the start of January this year, the asset under management base stood at EUR 505 billion, or EUR 70 billion below where it was at the beginning of January 2022, and that mechanically translates into lower recurring fees. On top of that, performance fees of EUR 38 million were recorded in last year's first quarter, which at the time we clearly flagged as nonrecurring, whereas there were none in this year's first quarter. As you may recall, the situation last year was exactly the reverse. The reduced contribution from Banca Generali was offset by a very strong first quarter contribution from Asset Management. This demonstrates that our profit sources are balanced and diversified even within the same segment. A benefit of the new accounting standard compared with IFRS 4 is the straightforward representation of private equity, with fewer consolidation adjustments. Let me turn to shareholders' equity, because I was really looking forward to these results being published so I could show you in practice what I think that in December.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#18

IFRS 17 has enhanced how shareholder equity appears in the accounts, and it will also cut the volatility we saw under IFRS 4 by a substantial margin. Under IFRS 4, we ended 2022 with shareholders' equity a little above EUR 16 billion. Under the new accounting standards, which were designed to represent shareholder equity better, shareholders' equity stood at EUR 27 billion on January 1. I'd like to finish with a remark about our solvency position, which remains extremely solid at 227%. The rise from the 221% solvency at year-end '22 comes mainly from the strong contribution of normalized capital generation, and I expect that contribution to stay strong over the course of 2023. And now I believe it's time to begin the Q&A session. Operator, over to you.

Operator

operator
#19

This is the conference operator at Chorus Call. The question-and-answer session is starting now. <<operator_script>> Peter Eliot from Kepler Cheuvreux has the first question.

Peter Eliot

analyst
#20

Thanks for the results and for the helpful disclosure today. I have 3 questions, if I may — one for each main division. First, on Life: for the Q1 operating profit, you gave us the CSM release, which is very helpful. I'm just wondering whether you can give us any hints on the other elements. In particular, it would be useful to know what one-off items there were, especially maybe on the loss component and experience variances, and then later, especially regarding surrenders. The Non-Life question was about the expense ratio. That has gone up a lot. Could you just expand on what's happening there? And then on Asset Management, I'm just wondering if you could expand on the extra costs due to the launch of initiatives and optimizing the operations. I'm just wondering if you could elaborate a little on when we might see any positive impacts from that.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#21

Much appreciated, Peter. Cristiano, I believe those 3 questions are yours to field.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#22

Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everyone. So, as with the CSM release — of course, you've all seen it — the figure was EUR 743 million, and a few factors gave it a positive push as well: our loss component running through the P&L came in lower in the first quarter of 2023 than in the first quarter of 2022. Essentially, we recorded a EUR 10 million loss component against a negative loss component of EUR 66 million — obviously, first quarter '23 versus first quarter 2022 — so that works out to a EUR 56 million improvement. Regarding the — this also stems partly from some reversals in savings and protection business, in particular. And then I'd also like to flag — since you raised the effect not just on operating results, but you were also asking about lapses — I want to point out that the movement Marco walked you through, the exit versus what had been projected, had a very low impact overall on the CSM value, which then flows into the P&L on a pro rata basis; just so you know, that negative impact is under EUR 100 million. So that's the reduction in total CSM of more than EUR 32 billion from all the lapses coming in above the projected level.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#23

So as you can see, that confirms the low value. Now let me move to the other component of the P&C expense ratio. We saw a rise in the P&C expense ratio, and it was mainly driven by 0.7% in acquisition expenses coming from 2 main drivers. Driver number one is the growing weight of non-motor. As you've seen, we were growing very fast, and that carries a higher acquisition expense cost, and also in the motor business there is a shift aimed at accelerating the improvement of profitability on motor, other damages, which come with a higher level of acquisition expenses. On the other hand, there is also the fact that we are integrating, and this is affecting not only acquisition expenses but also administrative expenses, with another 0.7 percentage point deviation. The newly consolidated business in Malaysia, India, where we reach the 74% shareholding, and also La Medicale. So this is also part of the higher drift in their cost. Since we are still not finalizing in India, it is less. But in Malaysia, there will also be some integration work to be done, as well as in La Medicale, to bring it back to the average group profitability.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#24

The third item is Asset Management. In that operation, we're putting more money into certain regulatory requirements and initiatives that sit with the operations teams, operations and IT; we're stepping up that investment so as to strengthen how we track and steer ESG performance in real assets in particular. There was also some spending on the operating machinery to upgrade the system, which is becoming more and more demanding given the environment and the group's ambition. I want to flag in advance that this cost sped up somewhat during the first quarter, yet we anticipate that the pace of this cost increase will slow in the last quarter of the year.

Operator

operator
#25

Andrew Ritchie from Autonomous has the next question.

Andrew Ritchie

analyst
#26

Could you bring us up to date or remind us what retention the group carries for natural catastrophes and how its reinsurance is structured, given the flooding in 2Q? Second, could you give a little more detail again on — I didn't quite follow what has been done with the Life products in response to — I believe you mentioned some crediting rate adjustments or relaunches of more traditional savings products aimed at winning back some of those outflows. A recap there would help. And I'm curious: when you say the flows were recaptured, do you mean recaptured within Generali, or have your partners recaptured them in their own savings products? Then the last question — I think you laid out that the current year discount benefit would decline. What happens to the insurance finance expense? My assumption is that it rises as the year progresses. But perhaps discuss the net of the 2, which is more interesting than the separate components alone.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#27

Thanks, Andrew. Marco, the first 2 questions are for you, and Cristiano, the third one is yours.

Marco Sesana

executive
#28

Yes. Andrew, yes. So let me begin with your first question. Regarding what we're observing, for instance, right now in Italy, in Emilia-Romagna. Our reinsurance protection, then, is running above EUR 200 million, specifically for flood losses, for example, in Italy, up to a ceiling of EUR 2.4 billion. So that's the type, then. We also have a cat aggregate in place. I'd remind you it carries a EUR 800 million retention. So those are the protections. Clearly, what we're seeing these days in Emilia-Romagna falls far below that figure. And so that's the outline of the retention and protection we have in place. Now the second question, the Life product, on what we mean when we recapture the masses and what kinds of initiatives we're putting in place. So there are 2 types of -- well, several initiatives exist that we can mainly focus on for that. So first is how we put initiatives in place in terms of recapturing masses or making sure we manage a client who wants to exit the contract. So we have initiatives to retain the customer.

Marco Sesana

executive
#29

Whether it's, say, putting forward an offer on an extra product, or putting forward an offer on protection when presenting new segregated funds. So that's everything we do when it comes to insurance products. Also, as I mentioned at the start, we also had a new product that we're launching, and those lean more toward segregated fund. They carry a variable fee that we can apply over the short term to make sure we deliver a certain type of return for the customer. And in June we're also launching, especially in Italy, a product with 2 segregated fund — one is smaller, and it moves quickly with the yields and can be more attractive. And the other one is more stable, and we'll balance toward these 2 segregated funds and the unit-linked product to make sure this gives an attractive return for the customer. When we say we recapture initiative, basically, when the churn of the — or the lapse happen at a distributor like Banca Generali, Banca Generali is able to recapture some of the masses in other banking products. So this will show up in return for the group, not on the insurance side, but more on the banking side.

Marco Sesana

executive
#30

I hope that makes things clear regarding retention, new product, and what we mean when we talk about recapturing masses. So, Cristiano?

Cristiano Borean

executive
#31

Okay, great — thank you. Andrew, that question is exactly right, and it also gives me a chance to walk you through why the discounting will come down as well, and you should broadly expect 3x what we saw in the first quarter, because I think it helps to lay out both the discount benefit and the complete picture on insurance finance expenses. I'll take 1 minute more, but I believe it's well worth it so you can forecast better too. So the current year discounting — the reporting period is essentially computed as the discounting of the future expected and discounted claims, which sit in the claim reserves of the reporting period, using the current investment rate. And those represent an average of the market curves over the reporting period. What does that mean? Let me give an example. At year-end, the discount curve is an average of the market curve at the start of the year, at the close of the first quarter, at the close of the second quarter, at the close of the third quarter and at the close of the fourth quarter. So this discount curve, as you know, is then locked in.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#32

Then that becomes the foundation for unwinding the claims sales, which will hit the P&L beginning the year after. So let me walk you through it a bit more clearly: once you have this discount curve available — and you'd take it from the market, not because it's the sharp curve — it gets multiplied by the current-year loss ratio to produce an estimate of total claims, which broadly runs around 65%, 60% to 65%, or 66% depending on the quarter, but roughly in that region. Then you have a certain amount, so insurance service revenues need to be multiplied by that current-year loss ratio. And then you get a certain percentage amount, which is the portion going into the reserve that hasn't already been paid. That percentage amount also has to be multiplied by the discount rate and then by the duration of the claims. This percentage amount at year-end should be 50%, and the duration of the claims we need to take into account is roughly 2.5 years. So in the end, if you have 100 premium with a 3% flat curve during the year — just to keep it simple — we have 100x the loss ratio I mentioned earlier, times 50% to get a year-end figure, times 3% of the discount, times the 2.5-year duration.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#33

What I'm doing here is explaining the route away from discounting. Obviously, there's no exact mathematical formula for this, since we're combining businesses whose underlying rates differ quite a lot. Keep in mind that we also have operations in Argentina, but this should still be of help. The last piece is far more straightforward. Insurance finance expenses essentially reflect the unwinding of prior years' discounting across the various generations. And it's largely linear. So you simply multiply by 4 the impact of the finance expenses we're seeing. Now, as I mentioned earlier, whereas in the first quarter of '23 you multiply the discounting by 3, you multiply by 4 the effect of the insurance finance expenses, which as I understand it comes to roughly EUR 90 million. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#34

Our following question comes from Farooq Hanif at JPMorgan.

Farooq Hanif

analyst
#35

I'm still absorbing all of that, so sorry if I'm a little slow here. Let me just move on to Life. You mentioned that protection is mostly sold as riders within your business. Could you give us a sense of your penetration rate and which regions you offer protection as a stand-alone product? And what's your strategy to grow that? Because to me it feels like, obviously, this is a huge lever for CSM growth. Second, based on current margins, what's your outlook for the growth rate in CSM? If we had to normalize it, where would you land? Would it be something like 2% to 3%, or 3% to 4%? Where do you think you can get that kind of normalized growth rate to? And then the last thing is, when we look at the underlying loss ratio in P&C, so if we strip out net cat, strip out reserve releases, and strip out discounting, it seems to have clearly improved by roughly 200 basis points. So is that mostly just mix shifting to non-motor, or are we beginning to see tariff increases having some effect?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#36

Thanks, Farooq. Marco, the first question is headed your way. The second one is lined up for Cristiano.

Marco Sesana

executive
#37

Yes. So to start, I'd like to point out that when you look at what's showing up as a significant component of new business value at 42% in protection terms, it isn't just riders. In fact, a substantial portion of protection is also sold on a stand-alone basis. In the first quarter, obviously, to the same degree that new production is under pressure, riders are under pressure too. But what continues — I'd say what continues to demonstrate increasingly strong momentum is stand-alone protection. Regarding your question about how many products carry a protection rider, I believe we remain around the 60% range. And that's a substantial increase compared with a few years back. So we're at that level. It's a very solid level. So Cristiano, over to you. You probably mentioned the strategy to grow, protection as well. So as we've said, we're concentrating on bundling even more around that average of 60%, and also the stand-alone business, which is centered on health needs and meeting what clients require post-COVID-19 in terms of protection and health — that's something we intend to pursue and deliver over time.

Marco Sesana

executive
#38

Cristiano?

Cristiano Borean

executive
#39

Thank you, Marco. So Farooq, regarding the current margin on CSM — let me explain that the CSM growth we anticipate on a normalized basis, meaning we exclude economic and operating variances, which obviously depend heavily, just in your case. During the first quarter, we recorded EUR 1.2 billion of positive economic variances, driven by improved conditions particularly in equity and, in some cases, credit markets, and those have to be removed. We anticipate normalized CSM growth of 4%, factoring in new business growth expanding more rapidly than the release plus the unwinding. On your third question, I believe it's quite important at this point to make clear that, certainly, you noticed that discounting improved by 200 basis points quarter on quarter, as I see it. So a number of items need to be stripped out. That's precisely why we keep telling everyone — and not just everyone externally, but internally too — that all our KPIs and targets assigned to the business units are set on the undiscounting effect, since we don't want to blend the two. And that's why, net of natural catastrophe, on the underlying current year combined ratio we are broadly stable, so as to capture the complete shift in the mix, which is non-motor versus motor.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#40

Keep in mind that back in first quarter '22, we weren't seeing the claims inflation piece. So we're already on a particular path toward getting there. Still, our objective, our steering, our targets all center on the undiscounted combined ratio, and across the year we're closing the gap on the motor tariff increase, while non-motor offsets the inflationary portion tied to motor. So on the whole, that's how to view it. It's also fair to note that excluding natural catastrophe, we're flat, since natural catastrophe was 1.1 points lower. So we'd be over 1 percentage point better, but mostly for that reason.

Operator

operator
#41

Our following question comes from Andrew Sinclair at Bank of America.

Andrew Sinclair

analyst
#42

Three for me, please. First, I wanted to dig into that undiscounted loss ratio. If I remove cats and PYD, it looks like a pretty good year-on-year performance. I really wondered if you could unpack the drivers for that for us, I mean, Q1 is before a lot of the inflation pain kicked in last year. Just frankly, quite impressed by the year-on-year development. Just wonder if you could unpack that a little bit for us, if there's anything to layer off in there. And second point was just on reserve releases under IFRS 17. We've got 2 percentage points in Q1. I felt the guidance had been for quite a lot lower reserve releases under IFRS 17. Just really wonder what drove that release in Q1, and should we think of that as sustainable, any seasonality and there to be aware of. Just any color there. And third was just on real estate. I really appreciate the color you guys gave us this morning. Interested to know about how that vacancies number has been evolving over time and where you have vacancies at the moment. What's being relet imminently? How have those rent discussions been going?

Andrew Sinclair

analyst
#43

And in the same vein, what portion of your rental income is tied to some kind of index?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#44

Thanks a lot, Andrew. Cristiano will take the first 2 questions, and Marco will handle the third one.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#45

Andrew, on the loss ratio piece, absolutely, what’s clearly pushing it 1.1 percentage points lower is prior-year natural catastrophe development coming out. Clearly, as I mentioned to you, there are the 2 percentage points of improvement on discounting. And also, the effect is kicking in from the mix between a non-motor combined ratio of around 90% and the remainder of the motor portfolio, which brings it down to roughly 95% undiscounted for the current year — 95% to 96% undiscounted. So that’s how you should view it. That’s how we’re managing it, because it is improving. It’s getting back to before the very high peak of inflation. Still, we’re kicking in progressively. So you need to wait the full 2023 to see the improvement also in the motor component. The second question relates to the reserve release of 200 bps. Absolutely, you should continue with a normal risk adjustment release of around 1 percentage point. What sits on top has a double nature. More than seasonality, I’d say the IFRS 17 principle is really bringing best estimate changes, and best estimate changes depend on when they happen.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#46

When these things occur in Q1, they land on a base you have to work with, and at times they can also occur in the previous year. They're landing on a base that's smaller. So the impact is clearly bigger. That gives you some fluctuation, let's say, for that reason. That's part of the greater volatility you should expect under the IFRS 17 principle. What I think is fair to say is that, on top of this regular 1% risk adjustment release, there's something that, more than on a quarterly or yearly basis — I'd say over the cycle — is the release of the expected prudency in the approach, which ought to remain between 0.5 and 1 percentage point. So clearly, something between the 2 percentage points you're seeing is a fair way to look at the over-the-cycle piece, with some, let's say, quarterly fluctuations, but also potential yearly ones. Marco?

Marco Sesana

executive
#47

Yeah, on the real estate side and vacancies — the first part of your question — I'd describe things as fairly stable. We haven't really seen any meaningful shift. That's largely because we hold trophy assets in main cities with high-quality tenants, and those tenants are very selective. So right now, no significant change is visible. On indexation, our rents are indeed indexed, and that clearly varies across the different geographic locations, also because of the regulation that lets you capture a different percentage of inflation in each country. But clearly, we're seeing a benefit there too, thanks to indexation.

Operator

operator
#48

William Hawkins from KBW has the next question.

William Hawkins

analyst
#49

First question — I think, again, we're all just wrestling with what the correct combined ratio or claims ratio should be. But regardless of how we slice it, your clean figure appears to have improved year on year. You've spoken extensively about lines of business. Could you give us a quick commentary by country? Should we simply assume this improvement is happening across countries to a lesser degree? Or is there some particular difference between Italy and the other markets? Second, Cristiano, I definitely don't need you to repeat the answer you gave Andrew, since that was helpfully thorough. But regarding the discount rates unwind, can I just confirm — I think you said it was negative EUR 90 million, obviously, in the first quarter, and we can simply multiply that by 4. So we're at negative EUR 360 million this year versus the positive EUR 650 million to EUR 700 million you mentioned. If that's the right understanding, what's the outlook for 2024? Because I think that number is going to keep building. And obviously, last year, it was only minus EUR 39 million, so I'm not suggesting we multiply it by 10 next year. But I'm trying to understand the takeoff rates beyond 2023.

William Hawkins

analyst
#50

And finally, one last thing, please. Thanks for the financial remarks regarding the flood tragedy. May I just verify — I believe you said that thanks to your reinsurance protection, you're capped at roughly EUR 200 million. But I think you also mentioned you're well under that, which is good from a financial standpoint. Could you give us some sense of where you think the insurance industry loss is trending right now? Because again, with the uncertainty around insurance penetration and that sort of thing, I'm finding it very difficult to gauge the scale of what's happening at the moment.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#51

Thanks so much, William. So Cristiano, the second question is yours. And let’s begin with Marco taking the first and the third question, all right?

Marco Sesana

executive
#52

Yes. Yes, we'll begin with the first point, saying that, yes. So the core underlying trend in P&C is improving for us. And I would really put the focus on non-motor. Non-motor is the key driver behind this. And I think you can really see this coming from the different geographies. We have been increasing -- as you could see, we have been raising prices early on in non-motor, and this is also giving a slight edge on inflation. So we are improving our bottom line in non-motor and I would say this holds true in the main geographies. So I wouldn't go into the different and small one. But clearly, for the main -- for the most important geographies, this is true. On motor, we are seeing that the rates are kicking in. So we expect more in the second, third and fourth quarter. Turning to reinsurance protection, so let me clarify and give you a little bit of background on the -- on what is happening. So you can expect on the ground 3 different type of protection: on the retail, on SMEs and large corporation and on public entities that are mostly are insured. So the penetration on the retail business of this type of guarantees -- of the cat guarantees is not very important in the region.

Marco Sesana

executive
#53

So we'd anticipate additional losses coming from the SMEs, corporations, and public entities. You've got that right. Our thinking is that losses should land in the range of — we're hoping for under EUR 100 million. But that's roughly the range we're expecting. Giving a complete answer at this point is hard, since the event is really recent. Even yesterday evening, it was still ongoing. So keep in mind that our reinsurance protection covers, as you rightly noted, more than EUR 200 million per event. And we get 21 days to combine the different entities for considering an event. So that's the kind of protection — I mean, the structure, that's how coverage works for us. On the whole, projecting for the industry is difficult, because honestly, we need to see, since flooding doesn't hit everyone simultaneously, and it's more on the retail side than on the SME side. So understanding what this means for the whole industry is hard. I believe giving a solid projection for us and for the industry will take a bit more time.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#54

William, on that second question, thanks, since I believe it helps really bring this full circle — and it isn't simply a new topic tied to the new accounting standard. The discounting, I confirm, is negative EUR 90 million, and you should multiply that by 4, I confirm — the unwinding, sorry. Apologies — the unwinding, the finance expenses, just to be clear. And how should it be treated going forward? This part matters. You need to grasp that the mechanism only starts kicking in at the progressive locked-in rate for each generation, which differs somewhat from discounting through duration, because you have to factor in where the generation was built and the lock-in rate. Just as practical guidance for you: next year you should expect an increase of 90 — 9-0 — basis points in the discount — in the implicit finance expense rate on the LICC at year-end, which you'll find in '23, meaning broadly a further increase of EUR 200 million on the annualized times for the discount rate of the negative unwinding within finance expenses. One final point. This effect isn't growing as fast, precisely because of that effect from the older locked-in rate on LICC, loss in core claims, which means growth is asymptotic, and you don't get the full effect in 2 to 3 years going from 0 to the actual 3% discounting.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#55

So there should still be a modestly positive effect if rates remain where they are. Obviously, what I'm really getting at is that, assuming rates stay put, over the next 1 to 2 years to 3 years you still pick up a small favorable amount — the gap between the discounting piece for the current year and the unwinding piece of the finance expenses. Again, I'll repeat, provided rates stay as they are. Plainly, this is part of why we've consistently noted that the accounting depiction of P&C carries greater volatility, given that reliance on interest rates.

Operator

operator
#56

Moving on, we have a question from Ashik Musaddi at Morgan Stanley.

Ashik Musaddi

analyst
#57

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation regarding discounting and the interest finance expense. On Life net flows, I have a few questions. First, could you give us some detail on the EUR 3 billion of savings net outflows — specifically, how much of that comes from Italy and how much from France, since I assume those 2 countries account for the majority? But since other geographies may have had positive flows, I'd just like to see the extent of it. Second, with these net outflows, how are you handling liquidity to meet these claims? And third, Marco, you mentioned that in Italy things are improving in, say, April and May. Do you have any color on the French book — what are you seeing in France when it comes to outflows?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#58

Thanks a lot, Ashik. Marco, I believe both of those questions are directed at you.

Marco Sesana

executive
#59

Yes. So to begin, I’ll say that in April and May, as you mentioned for Italy, the trend is improving. And this is something that’s happening, as I said, with our offer because, I would say, we’re introducing new products, and it’s mainly — and what we’re seeing is in Generali Life, basically, the outflows, and also there, we have an improvement. In France, we see a stable situation. We’ll look better, and we’ll see how the market is responding to our offer. Keep in mind that in France, as I said, the outflows are going as a profit and really high profit participation. So the value we lose is very limited. So that’s the first part. So Life net inflows — you asked for some different color. I would say in savings, I would say it’s mostly, as you correctly stated, in Italy, France; I would say we have minus EUR 1.6 billion in Italy in the savings business and almost EUR 900 million in France in the savings business. So that is something that, as you capture more or less, is the main part of the business, I would say.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#60

I believe Ashik had a question as well about how liquidity is being managed...

Marco Sesana

executive
#61

Right, and that's one more thing to note. So at present, within the ILM, we've taken a cautious approach by taking liquidity into account for paying claims and also for supplying liquidity to lapses. As a result, we've modestly raised the portion held in cash and cash equivalents. So we're tweaking our ILM to ensure we sit in a cautious position for paying claims and lapses.

Operator

operator
#62

Michael Huttner from Berenberg has the next question.

Michael Huttner

analyst
#63

That disclosure is fantastic — really nice. On normalized capital generation, what's the figure or the outlook you mentioned? You described it as very strong. I just checked: last year came in at a very healthy EUR 3.8 billion. I'm curious whether you could give us a sense of that. And on pricing: you discussed at length how non-motor pricing is helping to counter the claims inflation effect in motor. Could you provide a bit more color on what's going on in motor? I believe Unipol said they lifted rates by 5% in November and by 10% in February. Just as some background — naturally, you wouldn't comment on peers. On real estate, you've provided a great deal of clarity. Should I understand that there is actually 0 movement on the valuation side, meaning conditions there are stable? And then last, a really difficult question. Cristiano, I think at the full year you updated us on the cash holding, noting it was ahead of the year-end figure in March and really quite strong. I was just wondering whether there's any sort of update for.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#64

Thanks a lot, Michael. Cristiano, the first and fourth questions are yours, and Marco, you'll take the second and third.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#65

Alright. Michael, capital generation for the quarter came in at EUR 1.5 billion — that's strong capital generation, and it also benefits from the unwinding of rates in both Life and P&C, as you clearly understand, which makes us extremely confident about reaching and confirming our target of normalized capital generation across the 3 years. On the cash at holding update: clearly, the number we had at the end of March was influenced by the amount of cash we had started to hoard, but the vast majority of remittance has already been hoarded in April, okay. So as of today, we have already collected more than 95% of 2023 expected remittance. So we are done. We are just waiting on the specifically overseas piece, which has different timing, but we are there. On top of that, the end of March number, which is not far from the EUR 4 billion, also entails the usual buffer we hold on liquidity — a EUR 1 billion buffer on liquidity. The rest is the preparation of the dividend payment and some excess cash as well, which, I recall for you, was there in order to prepare for capital deployment. Let me clarify one point. Throughout 2023, you should expect and project, as I already anticipated to many of you, a lower consolidated tax benefit compared to the previous year, because of a specific Italian local GAAP accounting that happened in 2022 on the fair value of some assets called held for trading, which is allowing head office — that is, Assicurazioni Generali — to have a lower consolidated tax benefit of slightly more than EUR 200 million lower, okay?

Cristiano Borean

executive
#66

So that gives everyone the picture. And Marco?

Marco Sesana

executive
#67

Okay, let’s begin with motor pricing. As you’ve observed, the shift in average annual premium rose from 0.9% at the end of the year. It is now 2%. So it is clearly getting better. I want to emphasize again that this metric we provide for average annual premium is a fairly harsh measure, since it is essentially the average premium increase for the contract in force during the first quarter. So it really captures the renewal of only a small portion of the contract, because the rest remain in place and have not been renewed. So this is a conservative measure that we provide, but it is something we believe matters for you to understand how the price is developing. So just to give you an overview, claims inflation is in line and it is developing from -- compared with the previous quarter. We said we -- you know that this is affecting different geographies in different ways. So Germany is clearly high in inflation. And in Italy, we have low inflation at the moment. We still have low inflation at the moment. We are continuing with pricing in all geographies. We see a better environment, to be honest, in terms of competition to raise prices, so we are very positive that this will come in every geography.

Marco Sesana

executive
#68

Specifically, Italy came up in your example. In Italy, we’re seeing faster price growth, and that will arrive in the next quarter. As a quick side note, I’d like to remind you that motor accounts for just 10% of the operating profit we have. So in any case, what we’re developing on non-motor matters a great deal, because that is genuinely what drives our profitability. On real estate valuation, we do expect a mid-single-digit negative change, but rents mostly offset this.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#69

Operator, there's room for a single final question.

Operator

operator
#70

Steven Haywood with HSBC has the final question.

Steven Haywood

analyst
#71

I have three questions. First, what is your combined ratio target now, on an undiscounted basis? My assumption is the target of below 92%, and then you add the extra 2 percentage points you mentioned earlier, Cristiano, which gets you to below 94%. And if we take the first quarter combined ratio of 93.8% on an undiscounted basis and add a bit for normalized nat cats, maybe that lands slightly above 94%. Is that the correct way to think about where your combined ratio target could go going forward? My second question is about discounting in P&C. Do you think about broadly matching the assets with the P&C liabilities, so that the discounting in the combined ratio is broadly offset by the unwind of the finance expenses coming from the investments? And finally from me, on price increases in P&C, particularly on the motor side. Could you be a little specific — can you quantify the price increases you're putting through in Italy, Germany and France, please, on the motor business?

Fabio Cleva

executive
#72

Thanks, Steven. So Cristiano, the first two questions are yours, and Marco, the third one is for you.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#73

Steven, just a quick clarification: the undiscounted combined ratio target ought to be viewed with the customary 2 percentage point of natural catastrophe factored in, landing somewhere in the ballpark of 95%, rather than what we said previously. For the reason I gave you, even last year we were at a combined ratio in the 93% ballpark. And I told you that, purely in an algorithmic way, without altering EUR 1 of operating result, a single change of formula should have delivered 2 percentage points more. So under this new formula, the undiscounted element — which, by the way, was the one we had in mind when we were thinking about all of this, because we were living in an interest rate environment very close to 0 — is the 95% target, which should be achieved across the year. So going forward, with all the action Marco described, you are set higher in order to get there. The second question is extremely fundamental, Steven. And I think it is the basic route of the principles. The principles of IFRS 17, complex or articulated though they could be, are born on a fair value view, which means cash flow discounting, which means cash flow matching, clearly, in awards where all the cash flows are purely matched.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#74

We're not looking to carry any excess risk at 0. Since we have the capacity to bear risk, and since our goal is to maximize value creation across more than one cycle over the medium to long term, choosing not to fully offset — not to have full cash flow in P&C — is a deliberate choice to grow through our specific asset classes, such as some equity, private equity, and real estate, which over the cycle should deliver more than the risk-free rate. Obviously, that's a strategic decision, and it's entirely consistent with the fundamentals of the insurance business, which essentially means taking a risk budget, defining that risk budget, selecting a strategic asset allocation with long-term value growth, and capturing value growth for the shareholder. What we're benefiting from right now, as an entire industry, is that we got a jump start out of a 0 interest rate world. And precisely at the moment when we made the transition — January 1, 2022 — there were changes, because rates across full 2022 exploded by more than 200 basis points. So we're getting this discounting benefit. But in reality, our focus should be on undiscounted technical and underwriting discipline and on asset allocation for longer-term growth.

Cristiano Borean

executive
#75

Absolutely — better matching does cut volatility somewhat, since just as it helps when things rise, it can also swing when they fall. So you have to address that side too, keeping in mind that there are various levels at which assets and liabilities can be matched, such as claims speed. Marco, on prices.

Marco Sesana

executive
#76

Yeah, a few quick points about pricing. First, obviously, there are various pricing levers we've been pulling. In Q1, average premium did go up across the different geographies. To give you a sense of the ranges: the biggest hike we're seeing is in Austria, at roughly 5%, and the smallest is in the low-inflation markets such as Italy, at 1%. In between, you've got places like Germany at 3%, so the spread runs from 1% to 5%. One more thing, since you brought up price increases: when we talk about the average premium price increase, that's what we put through. Let me give you one example. On the last call, we said we'd implement a high single-digit price increase in Germany, for instance. That's been done — the bulk of renewals fall in January, and we carried it out. It has gone quite well, with very good risk retention. So as the year unfolds, we'd expect that full effect to show up in the motor portfolio.

Fabio Cleva

executive
#77

Thanks a lot, Marco. That wraps up the Q&A portion for the first quarter. Thank you all for joining the call. If you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to contact IR. Have a great day.

Operator

operator
#78

Thanks for being with us, everyone. That brings the conference to a close. You can go ahead and hang up your phones now. We appreciate it.

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