Aterian, Inc. (ATER) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 2, 2021

US Consumer Discretionary Household Durables m_and_a 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Mohawk, Healing Solutions M&A call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to your host, Mr. Ilya Grozovsky, Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development.

Ilya Grozovsky

executive
#2

Thank you for joining us today to discuss Mohawk's latest acquisition. On today's call are Yaniv Sarig, Co-Founder and CEO; and Fabrice Hamaide, Chief Financial Officer. A copy of today's press release announcing the transaction is available on the Investor Relations section of Mohawk's website at mohawkgp.com. I would like to remind you that certain statements we will make in this presentation are forward-looking statements, and these forward-looking statement reflect Mohawk's judgment and analysis only as of today. And actual results may differ materially from current expectations based on a number of factors affecting Mohawk's business. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. For a more thorough discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with the forward-looking statements to be made in this conference call and webcast, we refer you to the disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements that was included in our press release issued this morning as well as our filings with the SEC. We do not undertake any obligation to update or alter any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, the company may refer to certain non-GAAP metrics on this call. Explanation of these metrics can be found in the release filed today. With that, I will turn the call over to Yaniv.

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#3

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Ilya, and thank you for joining us today. I'm excited to announce that today, we closed another significant accretive acquisition that furthers our M&A strategy and continue to accelerate our growth. We acquired a leading essential oils and wellness e-commerce brand, Healing Solutions, which adds over 3,000 new essential oils products to our portfolio. Healing Solutions unaudited trailing 12-month revenue and operating income, excluding inventory liquidations, as of October 31, 2020, were approximately $65.2 million and $12.7 million, respectively. Our M&A strategy consists of primarily of acquiring the assets of online e-commerce brands, including the product listings, trademarks, inventory, manufacturer relationships. Under this model, we generally don't have any meaningfully increased fixed costs, and we rely on the strength of our technology and supply chain automation platform, AIMEE, to assist our existing team in driving value for the online listings going forward. The addition of Healing Solutions will be highly accretive to our earnings and furthers our goal of building the consumer product platform of the future. I'm very happy to see us entering the consumables category with its repeat purchases and subscription revenues. We've interesting opportunities to cross-sell and to promote the Healing Solutions product with our existing hard goods products like humidifiers and diffusers. Our core strength continues to be our ability to launch new products, and we intend to launch more products under the Healing Solutions brand. In addition, we also intend to expand this business to international markets and to additional domestic channels. The e-commerce product industry is in the early stages of a consolidation movement, and we are at the forefront of that movement. There are many add-on sellers today who have built incredibly successful small consumer brands that are prime targets for our M&A strategy. We remain confident that we can continue to acquire high-quality targets at accretive multiples. And that thanks to our economies of scale created by our tech, our supply chain platform, we can efficiently manage those existing online brands as we did with the other recent acquisitions. Today, we also announced an incremental debt financing in the form of a new senior secured note. The aggregate face amount is $16.5 million and has a 2-year bullet maturity. This financing allows us to maintain a strong balance sheet while continuing to execute on our M&A strategy. With this acquisition, we've increased our full year 2021 guidance to $340 million to $370 million from $290 million to $320 million. We're also unveiling our 2021 adjusted EBITDA guidance. We expect adjusted EBITDA for full year 2021 to be in the range of $28 million to $32 million. With that, I will turn it over to the operator for questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Your first response is from Brian Nagel of Oppenheimer.

Brian Nagel

analyst
#5

Congrats on the latest acquisition. So I got a couple of questions here. First question, with business like -- as you mentioned even in your prepared comments, this is a new category for Mohawk. Is there anything different -- as you bring this essential oils category onto your platform, is there anything different from a -- just an operational standpoint versus the product, the hard goods-type products you've had historically?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#6

So it's interesting. From a perspective of the marketing and the management of the forward e-commerce part, right, on Amazon, part of the entire strategy is that there's a certain kind of like algorithm, if you will, to managing products online. And from our platform perspective, whether the products are essential oils or humidifiers or air dryers for that matter, it doesn't matter as much, right? If the data shows strength and the ability to manage the products very efficiently going forward, that's the power of what we've built, right, is that we took the common denominator of managing this type of consumer products online and optimizes us as well as possible through our platform. When it comes to the supply chain, there's definitely some interesting moving parts here. This company is actually running its own bottling operation here in the U.S. And we structured the deal in a way where we haven't bought the manufacturing or bottling operation. But we have aligned interest with that group, obviously, as they're taking some of the selling of the brand equity at Mohawk. And we have a plan with them to further improve that operation, which we hope can result in even further margin expansion as we potentially improve that piece of the business, right? So other than the supply chain itself with the bottling operation in the United States, really, again, it's what the strategy is all about, right? If the data shows us that a particular category, a set of consumer products is well in trend and that we can manage it through our platform, the category doesn't matter as much. And that's the power of what we've built.

Brian Nagel

analyst
#7

Got it. That's great. And then some of your response was the perfect segue to my second question. But as we look at the numbers you gave us in the press release, roughly $65 million, if I recall, $13 million of sales and EBITDA. I mean how should we think about -- clearly, Mohawk is capitalizing well upon just the overall growth in online commerce, and that's a driver here. But how should we think about the growth within this category specifically?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#8

Great question. So right now, when you look at our M&A strategy, right, there are a lot of targets out there, very exciting to see the size of the opportunity. And we're focusing today really on category leaders, right? We're really prioritizing companies that have built a moat and have a very strong position in the category that we can continue to defend and see grow kind of with the pace of the growth of e-commerce, right? So when it comes to the United States, right, we expect to see healthy growth here, but not necessarily trying to make this a rocket, right? It's already doing quite well. Where there is significant growth in our opinion is potentially over time as we continue to expand internationally deploying this portfolio of brands and products to Europe and to other countries is going to be an exciting source of growth for the brand as well as launching more products. We continue to use data in our platform and our agile supply chain to find opportunities within the category and within -- across categories where it makes sense to add more products to the brand, and we'll see that here as well.

Operator

operator
#9

Your next response is from Brian Kinstlinger of Alliance Global Partners.

Brian Kinstlinger

analyst
#10

Congrats as well from myself. Can you comment on how Health Solutions has performed during the pandemic? Said another way, did the business see a surge similar to the rest of e-commerce? And can you tell us maybe the year-over-year comparison for that 12 months ended in October?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#11

Sure. The year-over-year growth was approximately 40%. And just like any other e-commerce brand, I think 2020 and COVID have been a blessing and a curse, right? On one hand, obviously, e-commerce has seen a surge in demand, which obviously affecting the numbers to some extent here. But at the same time, just like the demand was increasing supply chain issues, especially around last-mile shipping, were also affecting the company. So if you remember, as COVID was raging, the warehouses of Amazon and other e-commerce platforms out there were suffering from such demand that they couldn't really handle the load and oftentimes caused delays in shipping that affected consumers' demand for these type of products that are not considered essential to the pandemic, right? So overall, there's some effect here. But at the same time, just like any other e-commerce business, there were challenges as well.

Brian Kinstlinger

analyst
#12

Great. And then when you look at the category on Amazon, are you able to quantify what percentage of the category Health Solutions owns?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#13

It's a fluid number, but it's really one of the top brands in the category. There are a couple of others. Overall, what I'd like to see is really the stability, right? There's been -- Healing Solutions has been in this category for many years now and has kind of set a very stable control of the market share that they own. They started this in 2014 and, again, have grown to be a category leader in [indiscernible] is really difficult to enter at this point, right, between them and a couple of other brands that are strong in the categories. It's almost like there's already a status quo there. And that's what attracted us to this, right? If you remember, our approach is use data, find opportunities in categories that are disruptable. And when they're not, look for the opportunity to potentially acquire one of the leading brand. And that's exactly what happened here.

Brian Kinstlinger

analyst
#14

Great. One last question. Your revenue guidance is up $50 million from the previous range despite 11 months' worth of the $65 million business. Has the category started to pull back? Or is it broader conservatism on consumer spending in 2021 or maybe a change in product launches? Just maybe give us a sense for what seems to be a little bit of conservatism based on the size of the acquisition?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#15

Want to take that one?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#16

Yes, sure. Well, I -- thanks, Brian, for the question. And I think nobody can blame us for conservatism in general, especially since last year. If I remember correctly, we raised our guidance 3x. But that said, remember that we're going to recognize only 11 out of 12 months period, right? So that is actually one element of it. And as you said, I mean, there is -- the pandemic is still here, unfortunately. And we have -- again, I mean it goes back to the entire conversation we have throughout 2020. You have on one side, strong move to e-commerce. On the other side, we don't know when stores are going to reopen and what will be the exact behavior of consumers from the peak of 2020. And finally, consumer spending is also unclear, right, going forward. So -- and you mix that as well with another element which is plaguing us and essentially every product and brand on Earth, which is a significant strain on the entire supply chain, as you know, coming from manufacturing to international shipping, where getting your containers and boats has been never as difficult as it is today, last-mile shipping, as Yaniv was saying. So I think it's prudent to actually take that view of a mix of potential negative factors affecting us. And in due course, if none of those negative factors play out and it's the exact opposite, it will be time to actually change guidance if need be.

Operator

operator
#17

Your next response is from Thomas Forte of D.A. Davidson.

Thomas Forte

analyst
#18

I have 4 questions. I joined late, so I apologize if one of these was asked and I apologize if some of these are minutiae. So the first question is, Yaniv, how should we think about the total addressable market opportunity to buy strong brands on marketplaces? Should I look at the fact that north of 50% of items sold on Amazon are sold by third parties? How should I think about just the opportunity set in general for you to keep finding these attractive opportunities?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#19

Thanks, Tom, for the question. So you're right. You're looking at an ecosystem that is on the marketplaces transforming rapidly and through the years, as you mentioned, on Amazon, right, north of 60% we believe is now are sold through third-party sellers. That represents approximately $200 billion of GMV just on Amazon. So a very large pie. So looking -- obviously not everything there is a good acquisition target. But another exciting number is the fact Amazon itself adds approximately 3,000 new sellers every day, right? So the opportunity is a very -- has been very attractive for smaller brands and kind of more agile direct-to-consumer brands in the last 10 years. And there's a very vibrant, live ecosystem of companies that have kind of like leverage the vacuum that was created with traditional consumer brands, not responding quickly and after the [indiscernible]. And most of these companies have built themselves mainly for cash flows of call them almost lifestyle businesses. But just like Healing Solutions and the other ones that we acquired, they've done a phenomenal job. They've really built great brands that resonate with consumers and show metrics that are exceptional, right? And so for us, it's about continuing to use data to pick and do the diligence on these brands and make sure that we select the right ones. But again, we're talking about a very, very large market that's continuously evolving with new players coming in. So I really see our opportunity to continue to acquire these companies to be very, very large. And also international as well. We haven't yet started to look at companies internationally, but those exist too, right? So we're, again, just at the beginning of this movement, and we're excited to be one of the leaders in the consolidation that's happening today.

Thomas Forte

analyst
#20

Good. And then my second question of my 4 questions. So when I think about your logistics skills, how should I think about small-format items, meaning things shipped in little packages versus large-format products? I think of your ability, for example, to get mini-fridges on -- make them prime-eligible. So how should I think just about small format, large-format in your logistics efforts? And are smaller-format items more profitable? Do you still get the benefits of your logistics efforts for smaller products?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#21

Yes. Thanks, Tom. So as you know, right, I think you're referring to our fulfillment by merchant platform. To remind everyone on the call, we have our own fulfillment platform that relies on 9 3PL warehouses that are connected to our software and allow us to reach 93% of the U.S. within a day. As you mentioned, Tom, that platform is mainly used for oversized items. So as you know, a lot of our products are in oversized categories such as appliances and furniture. And those definitely benefit from that platform in terms of cost effectiveness and optimization of last-mile shipping. For the smaller items like Healing Solutions, we're going to continue to rely on Amazon FBA, where the -- obviously, those volumes that Amazon is moving and in those smaller categories does give them still an advantage, right? So as opposed to -- with oversized items, we're not expecting here, through this acquisition, to improve the margin because of the last-mile shipping. But we're quite happy with the contribution margin of the business today. And again, as I said, there might be some optimization that we're looking to do with the manufacturing side that we're now partnering with to potentially fund some increased margin there, right? So yes, so really, this business is going to rely on FBA.

Thomas Forte

analyst
#22

Right. So the next question is, when I think of your data set and I think of your product set, does adding an adjacent product do more to improve the quality of your data? Or does adding a product in an area you don't already have do more to improve your data?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#23

Yes. Absolutely, that's a great question. The more we put on a platform, the better our data becomes, right? And the more -- the way to think about it is our data is using statistical data that we have -- that we're getting from the different platforms and all sorts of like observation in the data as we gather it from public domain and we model kind of like the missing piece, right? The more we have products that we own in a particular category where we have -- where the data is perfect because we know exactly how much is each product selling through each consumer path to purchase, right? The more we have beta that is sales from our own products across different categories, the better our data becomes in the category because we have more correlation data points that we can use, right? Of course, this is definitely going to help us in terms of improving data within those categories that Healing Solutions operates in.

Thomas Forte

analyst
#24

Great. So last question, what's your current thought on tails, meaning when you make an acquisition, securing the opportunity for future rights to products created by the same team?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#25

Yes. With this -- as you remember, with the previous acquisition, that is something that we negotiated and we're very happy with. With this particular group, there was less of that intent from them to be necessarily active going forward with continuing to create products and brands. And that's okay, right? At the same time, for me, one of the best things about this deal, we highly respect the team that's there. They've built a great business. They understand the world we live in and the fact that they have chosen to -- again, the equity shareholders in Mohawk and not just take all cash on the deal is just, again, another great pointer to the fact that those who really understand this business and understand the magnitude of what we're trying to build are huge believers in it and want to be part of it. And that's an exciting thing for us to see, right? But in this particular case, we don't have that necessarily tail, although we will look for it with teams that are interested in continuing to launch products and have that relationship that we built with the previous group as well.

Operator

operator
#26

And next response is from Oliver Chen of Cowen.

Oliver Chen

analyst
#27

Regarding the AIMEE engine and artificial intelligence, what do you see as the biggest synergies with this deal in terms of what your AI engine will do? And also, as you think about the training sets and altering or tailoring the training sets for consumables, what might be the bigger challenges/opportunities?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#28

Oliver, one of those things that might go a little bit unnoticed in these remarks, right, is the amount of products that we're adding here. I mean, we're adding 3,000 products immediately to our set. And again, we're excited about that, right? Part of the automation that we're building and our ability to automatically forecast, automatically manage things like [ PPE ] and pricing are going to be extremely important here, right? Again, the whole premise of the investment in technology, in machine learning and automation is that as we acquire or build more of these products, as our portfolio becomes larger and larger, we can continue to empower our team with automation tools, machine learning and data sets that are going to allow them to just be a lot more effective, right? If we hadn't made that investment, obviously, the fixed cost that we would have to kind of incur with every one of these acquisitions would skyrocket, right, because you need a lot of people to manage these products. The entire goal of our investment in machine learning is to turn our employees into superheroes that give them the ability to go and manage an exponential amount of more products than they would have to if they had to do it manually, right? And this is a great example where we're adding all these products, and we're feeling confident in our ability to manage them very well going forward and continue to add more products, right? That's really, again, what you'll see over time as we continue to expand. As we've seen already in the past, right, our head count has stayed quite flat, although our revenues have increased dramatically. That ratio is what the investment in technology is all about.

Oliver Chen

analyst
#29

Okay. And why was the essential oil screening like an attractive opportunity? And why was this the right time to do this deal? What do you think...

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#30

Oh sorry, sorry. I thought what...

Oliver Chen

analyst
#31

What is the context for where consumables may go as a percentage of total of your portfolio on a longer-term basis?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#32

Yes. Thanks. So first of all, the essential category has been a very -- first of all, a large category, a lot of demand with very strong moat that Healing Solutions has built as well as a couple of other players and almost a status quo in that category where those few kind of bigger brands have really kind of taken a foothold of the category and have accumulated enough social proof and historical sales to continue to control the category, right? So for us, as you remember, when we look for the data and the opportunities, we always look for white spaces or dislocations or trends that we can leverage to disrupt by building our own products. And when we don't, meaning that we look at a category, we know it's a strong category, we know -- but there's really no kind of angle of attack to necessarily -- in an ROI positive way, right, come in and take over the category. Then that's when we would look at potentially acquiring the brand. And that's exactly the case we're doing with Healing Solutions, right? The data showed us that they are very strongly anchored in the category and will continue to be. And it was a great opportunity to use our M&A engine to add that to our portfolio. The category is stable, as I said, being stable for a long time, large demand. And so that's what attracted us to this particular deal. When it comes to consumables, again, I think we've been very focused on hard goods in the last few years. And adding consumer is really exciting, especially, as I mentioned earlier, around cross-selling, right? So you look at our portfolio today across the brands that we build or acquire, and you see many products that could be great additions to an essential oil or vice versa, right? An essential oil could be a great addition to that product. And so you can imagine how we could cross-sell, for example, a humidifier or a diffuser with basically putting offers in the package to send people back to, for example, join a subscribing phase program on the essential oils or try promotion or trial products for the first time to hopefully bring in that kind of like recurring purchase habit, right, with those consumers who will love the product. So there's going to be a lot of synergies, I think, between those. And in general, we're going to continue to look for more consumable opportunities. I can't guarantee how many are we going to do and what percentage that's going to represent of our portfolio, but diversification is one of the core strengths of the platform play, right? Again, going back to this idea that we took the common denominator of managing these type of businesses online and we've systematized it and made it as efficient as possible. That's what allows us to then now manage across the different categories and cross-sell across the different categories, without necessarily creating any limitations, right?

Oliver Chen

analyst
#33

And finally, the 3.8x multiple on the operating income, what was context for why that was a valuation that the buyers and the sellers were happy with? And how do you see that multiple relative to long-term growth and/or margin expansion as you did the work around cost and revenue synergies?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#34

Yes. Fabrice, do you want to take this one?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#35

Sure. I mean, first, you noted that the seller actually insisted and actually taking mostly shares. 70% of the transaction is actually done Mohawk shares issuing approximately 1.4 million shares. And the reason is they actually believe that -- they want to be part of that overall story that Mohawk is building and believe very much that the EBITDA is worth a lot more managed by Mohawk and using our automation and operating leverage. So that's one. So that from their perspective, they're not selling at 3.75x. They were selling at 6x or 7x or 8x, right? That's exactly what happened as well for the seller of the Smash Commerce brands that we did on December 1. So that's one, which, for us, is actually a competitive advantage in the heating competition of M&A that we have in that -- since we're the only publicly listed company. And then for him -- I mean those sellers have problems in growing. Most of the cash and EBITDA that they're actually generating has to be -- stay inside the business. They don't have working capital financing. They don't have payment service with vendors because they're too small, and therefore, cannot get -- sign a sure credit. All of those factors for him and for the seller, what it really turns into, it's not -- they're not comparing $12 million versus the purchase price. They were comparing what they can get every year out of the business, which is $1.5 million versus the purchase price. So from that perspective, it's a much bigger, much bigger sale opportunity. So that's the key driver to those multiples. And when -- going forward, we have, as Yaniv said, I mean, that entity has its own bottling operation, which we'll work with them to actually optimize and streamline using third-party manufacturers and so on, which will hopefully allow us to improve on the overall EBITDA going forward by eliminating fixed cost and potentially improving our gross margins even further.

Operator

operator
#36

The next response is from Matt Koranda of ROTH Capital.

Matt Koranda

analyst
#37

I noticed it looks like there's a Healing Solutions DTC site out there. So I was curious what percent of revenue comes from non-Amazon channels for these guys? And how much money would you be willing to spend on acquiring customers in sort of the non-Amazon channels?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#38

Matt, thanks for the question. The website represents, to my knowledge, less than 1% of the sales. And part of the strategy that we spoke about many times, right, is that we really think that marketplaces, whether they're Amazon or Walmart, the ability for brands to sell on these platforms directly to the customer through the platform is where we believe the large majority of mass market retail is going to be. And it's still going to be a strategy to continue to promote and push hard the marketplace business. So right now, there is no meaningful intent to try to scale the [indiscernible] space. We want to continue to protect and grow the ownership in the the category on Amazon and other channels as well, right, on the marketplace side. Over time, we might start -- over time, we might start looking into using B2C but to drive back to marketplace. But right now, again, we're very happy with the way the strategy has been going to these guys for the last few years. And we'll just continue to improve on it.

Matt Koranda

analyst
#39

Great. And then does anything in the 2021 guidance envision moving on to marketplaces beyond Amazon in a meaningful way? I mean, largely, you guys are exposed to Amazon at the moment. But you've mentioned Walmart, and I know you're plugged into some of the other marketplaces out there. But what percent of sort of the revenue that we're guiding for 2021 comes from non-Amazon marketplaces?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#40

Fabrice, do you want to take it?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#41

Yes, sure. And first, as you know, Matt, we've had that conversation and discussed that on calls many times over. There's no such thing as the Amazon risk, right, unless Amazon decides not to do seller in marketplace anymore but otherwise will always be treated just like any other sellers. So from that perspective, our competitiveness to consumers is always going to be unaffected. What creates a risk is not the fact that the business goes through Amazon, it would be if we had only 10 products. And from that perspective, the more products and less concentration risk you have on a per product basis, that's the way you create significant derisking of the overall business. And today, we're, obviously, especially in addition with that acquisition, highly unconcentrated when it comes to revenue by product. When it comes to the guidance, no, not in a meaningful way in particular. And I think you're referring as well to internationalization. It's going to be a significant effort this year. How quickly it's going to come and deliver significant top line is difficult to predict at this stage. It's a step function from a fixed cost a little bit, as we discussed before. And then it takes time to change all the packaging to make sure that the packaging is multilingual, covers all of the marks of -- for example, in Europe, it's different marks than in the U.S and so on and so on and so. So that takes time to go through on most significant portion of the portfolio. Not all products are fit or all marketplaces because they're, as know you -- our data actually tells us what is the right humidifier for the U.K., which is not the same one as the U.S. or Germany or Italy and so on and so on, right? It would be the same for China, for example. So it's difficult to predict at this stage. And therefore, from that perspective, not much. And when it comes to the U.S. diversification to other channels, unfortunately, we'd love Walmart to be 50% of the marketplace business in the U.S. It's not the case, especially not when it comes to hard goods and/or even consumables. I mean most of their business is really on the grocery side, as you know. And they have a hard time actually coming to a strong competition against Amazon in the U.S. from that perspective. So it's still -- Walmart is still small in our revenue for 2021 because of that.

Matt Koranda

analyst
#42

Okay. Fair enough. And then on the guidance, one other question here. I can appreciate the conservatism around increasing the revenue guide. I was curious on the EBITDA guide, the $30 million at the midpoint. What does that imply from -- in terms of contribution from Healing Solutions? Should we assume that full $13 million or something slightly lower just given the more conservative revenue guide for Healing Solutions in 2021?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#43

Well, I mean, as you know, when we give a guidance, it's -- I think it's impacted by, first, again, it's only 11, not a 12 months. So it's not the full $13 million, even if they were totally flat. And the second element is there's some element of conservatism in terms of what will be the impact, in particular to -- of the, let's call it, hopefully -- let's call it a post-COVID world, though it's not exactly a post-COVID world that we live in versus last year. And that's unknown. And then again, as I indicated, for them, just like everybody else, we don't know, for example, what will be the increase in rates that Amazon FBA will actually apply from a fulfillment perspective, since in this particular case, it's Amazon. And all of those elements are actually needed to be more conservative than anything else and bake in more of the problems and bad news that could happen in the year. And then we'll see if all of those news -- actually bad news pan out. At the same time, we've been extremely strong. Our team has been amazing at coping with those uncertain times, in particular when it comes to supply chain and fulfillment throughout the past 12 months which, as you can expect, have not been that simple. And so I'm confident that they'll find solutions. But until we have those really baked in, we'd rather actually be conservative on the guidance side.

Operator

operator
#44

You next response is from Matthew Galinko of Sidoti.

Matthew Galinko

analyst
#45

Maybe firstly, can you just -- how you support the deal? How long it took to fruition? Then was there any competition for this acquisition?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#46

Fabrice, you can take that one.

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#47

Sure. So we started the discussions with the seller December 3. So end to end, it's been 2 months. In this particular case, we had actually surfaced the brand as one of our potential opportunities. And it happens that we had mutual contacts that introduced us directly to that seller. So I think that's a pretty fast process. As you know, from a sourcing perspective, we have essentially 2 core avenues. I mean -- and the first one, of course, is our own data set. As Yaniv said, remember, our platform allows us to actually identify areas where we want to go and develop new products, but it also tells us where not to go and where buy is better than make. And we have that entire data set, and that allows us to actually source and go direct. And then the second one is, of course, business brokers that actually come to us, which, of course, with the transactions that we announced, for example, in December, there was a credibility factor that help building, and therefore, more deals are actually being presented to us in that path as well.

Matthew Galinko

analyst
#48

Got you. And could you just -- if this one was directly sourced from your [indiscernible] not to the channel? Was it they were looking to sell? Or were there other competing bids that you just sort of prolonged?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#49

They were not -- initially, they were not looking to sell, right? But just -- they actually thought that the value proposition that we brought to the table was a compelling one. Again, going back to the fact that when they're selling at 3.75, in reality, they're actually expecting, right, and will happen that they're actually selling at a much higher multiple. And that's the reason why they were interested in taking as many shares as possible. And they're very comfortable with a 6-month lockup and all of those elements because they're fully confident as to where we're going and the value proposition that Mohawk is going after.

Matthew Galinko

analyst
#50

All right. And then 3 questions on the revenue. Just one, what sort of [ seasonality ] should be taken from this business? Are there any pockets of concentration in terms of individual products or categories or product under that umbrella? And is there any recurring revenue that's coming with it today?

Fabrice Hamaide

executive
#51

So I'll take the first 2 parts, and then I'll let Yaniv talk about the recurring revenue opportunities. On the first 2 part, very little seasonality, tiny bit in Q4 but not much, which actually is going to be interesting. It's going to a little bit more level out our revenue profile inside the year from a seasonality perspective. And then from a product concentration perspective, the top product represents less than 1.7% of the total revenue. So it's extremely fragmented, which is great for us. I mean it really means 0 concentration risk on this particular acquisition and further actually eliminates any product concentration risk from Mohawk on a full portfolio basis. And then on the third part, Yaniv, on the recurring revenue side, maybe you want to speak to it a little bit?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#52

Yes. So again, these items have repeat repurchases. Of course, consumers come back and buy them again. There is a lot of interesting opportunities here to drive a little more of the subscribe and save capabilities of Amazon, which the brand has done on some products and now the others. And so we'll evaluate that as we go. Obviously, that's always an exciting thing when you can bring customers into more of the subscribe and save program and allow to lock in monthly revenues through that. And so this is something we'll be definitely pursuing as we continue to scale the brand.

Operator

operator
#53

Your next response is from Randy Slifka of Slifka Management.

Randy Slifka

analyst
#54

Congratulations on the acquisition. Just got 2 questions for you. The first thing, you had mentioned that shipping from China, pricing has still -- has been up significantly. I was wondering if you could give us some more color around shipping costs, shipping delays, et cetera? And then I have another question as well.

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#55

Yes. So thanks, Randy. Yes, as you know, there's obviously this kind of whiplash effect in the supply chains with difficulties getting containers in China and also the disruptions of the supply chain. So far, our team has done a terrific job at handling that with relationships on the ground with different freight forwarders and just overall, the very agile mindset that we have has allowed us to find the best possible solution we can. And we think we're handling this as well as possible. And we hope to see that -- those problems kind of like getting reduced, hopefully, after [indiscernible]. But as I said, overall, it goes back again to this ability to adapt that we have, and the team has done a great job at managing the situation so far.

Randy Slifka

analyst
#56

Okay. And just in terms of additional -- the pipeline and what it might look like over the next quarter or 2, are you guys now kind of going to wait a little while? Or could you provide some thoughts or comments on what the pipeline might look like in the near term? And also what you're seeing in the marketplace vis-à-vis multiples?

Yaniv Sarig

executive
#57

Yes. I think at Mohawk, we like to drive as much as possible with the gas pedal and not as much with the brakes. So as fast as we can move forward, that's what we will look to do, right, of course, within whatever limitation is out there. But overall, we're excited with the pipeline we're seeing. The opportunities, again, as I said, we're just scratching the surface of the size of our ambition here and are looking to continue to grow aggressively both through launching more products and acquiring more of these assets. In terms of multiples, we've not yet seen any type of like upward pressure that worries us. I think that there is, in my opinion -- and we'll deal with the next few months here, right? But I think it's pretty well understood by both the companies that are looking to consolidate in the space and the targets out there that the consolidation and the win-win here relies on multiples that are accretive and exciting. And so again, I haven't seen any significant uptick yet, but we're keeping an eye on that. And so far, again, very excited with the pipeline that we're seeing.

Operator

operator
#58

I am showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ilya Grozovsky.

Ilya Grozovsky

executive
#59

Thank you for joining us on the call today. We look forward to speaking with you on future calls. You may now disconnect.

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