Attovia Therapeutics, Inc. (ATTO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 16, 2026

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology conference_presentation 35 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Judah Frommer

analyst
#1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to this session of the Morgan Stanley Global Healthcare Conference. I'm Judah Frommer, one of the Morgan Stanley Biotech analysts. We're very excited to have Tao Fu, President and CEO from Atovia with us. Let me just get through a quick disclosure, Tao, before we get started.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#2

For important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley Research Disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. All right. So with that out of the way, I told you we had an exciting IPO in August. Congrats to the team on that. Thank you. Before we dive in, can you maybe give the audience a quick intro with a bit of background on how the team came together and the company formation?

Tao Fu

executive
#3

Sure. Well, Judah, thanks for having me here. It's a real pleasure. Thank you.

Tao Fu

executive
#4

So Atovia was founded just a little bit over a few years ago in June of 2023 and really with a simple thesis of trying to change the paradigm for immune-mediated disease treatment with our autoantibody platform-based biologics. So we started with a small group of highly experienced drug developers and scientists with early backing from Frazier Life Sciences, and you know, van Vile, and really there was two shared beliefs between the teams, our investors, that first the autoantibody platform can really have the potential to deliver breakthrough efficacy for I&I treatment. And having a small and highly focused and integrated team can deliver exceptional speed. So that's what we have done over the last three years. Our lead program ATO-1310 from concept to clinical proof of concept in patients. We have built a sustainable pipeline of near development stage multi-specifics and also completed an upsized IPO. So we're very proud of that speed and execution, but we also think it's very important.

Tao Fu

executive
#5

repeatable.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#6

Right. It's been busy. So I want to spend a little more time on the platform. Maybe just walk us through the capabilities of the platform, how candidates are screened and developed. What advantage does the autoantibody platform provide over other approaches to antibody or biologic development?

Tao Fu

executive
#7

Yes, so the autoantibodies are a bi-topic

Tao Fu

executive
#8

modality, which means it has two VHH or nanobody binding arms, and each of them binds to a separate epitope on the same protein target, and they're connected by a linker. So our proprietary linker technology basically enables each of the VHH arms to interact ultimately with the target. So, autoantibody-based therapeutics have several unique attributes which make them ideally suited for complex biologics. I can give you a few examples. The bi-topic binding will give you ultra-high affinity and often best-in-class potency. So ATO-1310, as an example, those highly potent mono-specifics against IL-31 ligand, and antibodies are highly modular. So they're like Lego pieces. They can be put together in multi-specific formats and retain potency against individual targets. So we can also easily extend the half-life. So great for building multi-specifics. We can also tune the affinity of our binders to create truly conditional and-gate bispecifics. We can use high affinity to target a specific cell type and then lower affinity to activate the effector function when the drug is in the tissue. So, so far, we have done over 15 campaigns. We have 100% success rate against all the targets we selected. Great. And like you said, this modular nature of the platform, the building blocks are nanobody pairs. Maybe talk about the rationale for using nanobody binders over other formats. What have we learned about nanobodies from other programs? Yes, so nanobodies are really validated commercially, right? So there are multiple FDA approved products. There are multiple products containing nanobodies in late stage clinical development with success. So it's very validated. It's very small and it's very flexible, highly engineerable. So it gives us the binding domain that's ideal for a bi-topic binder, but also it has generally low immunogenicity risk in humans. So I think our experience with ATO-1310 so far is we have seen low immunogenicity.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#9

Right. Okay.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#10

Great. So maybe moving to that lead candidate, ATO-1310, it's a biologic targeting IL-31, like you said, you're about to move into Phase 2 for chronic itch. But before we get to some of the data and development plans, maybe frame the opportunity in chronic itch for us. It encompasses a lot of different conditions, but broadly, what's the unmet need?

Tao Fu

executive
#11

what's the rationale for targeting IL-31? Yes, so chronic itch or pruritus is a major, but underappreciated disease burden. So it really spans through dermatological to systemic conditions. These patients really suffer from persistent debilitating itch that, you know, ranging for, you know, skin damage, to loss of sleep, depression, and sometimes suicidal ideation, right? So it's a major disease burden. And those are highly prevalent. So we have over 15 million patients in the U.S. being impacted and just between high-itch AD and chronic pruritus of unknown origin, the two indications we're trying to take ATO-1310 to late stage development, we have over 10 million patients. So IL-31 has been now widely recognized by the medical community to be the primary driver of itch, right? Sometimes it's called the itch cytokine, and it was really found to be elevated in a variety of these chronic itch conditions.

Tao Fu

executive
#12

So we really think it's the best target for it.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#13

Okay. Excellent. And, you know, kind of the precedent product here is going to be Nemolizumab, which investors will be familiar with, which targets the IL-31 receptor. ATO-1310 targets the IL-31 ligand, like you said. So what might be the potential advantages of targeting the ligand as opposed to the receptor?

Tao Fu

executive
#14

Yes, I think Nemolizumab is a great analog for us. It's clearly validated the role of IL-31 pathway in itch, and we believe ATO-1310 by targeting the ligand has several advantages. So specifically to your question about the ligand versus receptor, so Nemolizumab actually suffers from this known reverse dose efficacy issue. Basically, their highest dose performed worse on efficacy than the lower doses in three separate Phase 2 trials. And Dr. Brian Kim published on this, you know, basically the hypothesis is because IL-31 receptor dimerizes with OSMAR beta for IL-31 to signal. So if you hit IL-31 receptor really hard with Nemolizumab, you release the free pool of OSMAR beta, which has an alternative binding partner called GP 130, and that's an alternative pro-inflammatory pathway. So this paradoxical loop basically contributes to it starting to lose efficacy. And obviously, if you target the ligand, you are completely free and clear from that pathway. We also believe we can potentially achieve faster itch relief, and there is a validation from a canine drug called Cytopoint. Basically, it's a highly effective anti-IL-31 monoclonal antibody, and if you inject Cytopoint into dogs, sometimes you get itch relief in minutes to hours. It's very fast onset. So we're also hoping to see that in humans with ATO-1310.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#15

Okay. Are there any other aspects of molecular design for ATO-1310 that differentiate versus Nemolizumab besides the particular target?

Tao Fu

executive
#16

Yes, I think there's a couple. In addition to the reverse dose issue we just talked about for IL-31 receptor, you know, we're using the autoantibody, the bi-phasic binding mode, which gives us really almost no off-rate and we can achieve higher potency with our binder. And our PK and target engagement data so far also suggest we have full suppression of IL-31 for at least 12 weeks, which supports quarterly dosing. And Nemolizumab, as you know, is primarily a monthly injection drug.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#17

Sure, yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Some Phase 1 data for ATO-1310 in healthy volunteers and patients maybe. Tell us about the design of your Phase 1 study. Give us the kind of the highlights on what's been reported thus far. You know, what was behind your decision to include placebo patients in the trial?

Tao Fu

executive
#18

Yeah, so the Phase 1 study really has three parts. You know, in healthy volunteers, we have single ascending dose, IV and sub-Q, and also MAD, sub-Q only. So, part three is really in, uh, it's a randomized placebo-controlled study for both chronic pruritus of unknown origin and the high-itch AD population. And participants are followed up for 12 to 16 weeks. But we give only one single subcutaneous dose. So the clinical profile we have seen so far has been very encouraging. So really excellent safety, great target engagement. We've been able to show full suppression of IL-31 to support the quarterly dosing. And we have increased the dose and dosing. Encouraging clinical signals from both patient cohorts, very fast and deep itch relief for both populations and specifically for AD, we're also seeing pretty rapid and meaningful lesion improvements in terms of both EASI and IGA.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#19

Right, great. Maybe just a little bit more on the targeting engagement data supporting that potential for quarterly dosing. Maybe just discuss the data we've seen for that.

Tao Fu

executive
#20

So we have an ultra-sensitive assay for IL-31. So in healthy volunteers, we are being able to show that we have full suppression of free IL-31 at the 95% level for at least 12 weeks. And the early patient experience we have so far is also consistent with us. And we have other ways to really triage this. For example, we can look at IC90 levels based on our animal models, the effective dose, and QSP modeling based on Cytopoint efficacy. All these data points consistently point to we can actually achieve quarterly dosing.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#21

Yeah. Okay, great.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#22

You said, you saw encouraging responses in both patients with chronic pruritus and atopic dermatitis, and I know it's a single dose and a short study, but maybe frame the magnitude and the kinetics of those responses versus approved biologics if you can.

Tao Fu

executive
#23

Yes, we have seen very deep and rapid release.

Tao Fu

executive
#24

With, I would say, one single unoptimized dose really compares quite favorably to the benchmarks we have. For chronic pruritus of unknown origin, our pooled PPRS4 responder rate for ATO-1310 is about 65% at week four. That's versus about 18% for Dupixent in the part three of their Phase 3 study at similar time point. And for high-itch AD, our PPRS4 responder rate is about 44% at week four, which versus Nemolizumab is about 28%. They showed in their Phase 3 study, and that's also in the high-itch group. That is same as our study. So I think we basically showed really two active doses in two indications that compare pretty favorably to benchmarks from an itch standpoint. And as I mentioned earlier, in the AD cohort, we also showed pretty meaningful.

Tao Fu

executive
#25

Fast, EASI reduction for lesion.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#26

Excellent. And we'll dive into this a bit more later, but I guess just.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#27

Maybe up front, you know, in what ways did the data provide kind of positive read-through to the platform, other candidates that are behind ATO-1310, maybe just from a high level, address that?

Tao Fu

executive
#28

Yeah, I think... of the all of ATO-1310 data is the first human validation of our platform.

Tao Fu

executive
#29

We're basically able to demonstrate that an autoantibody-based therapeutics can be dosed subcutaneously. We can have very strong and durable suppression of the target, you know, favorable PK and, you know, safety and immunogenicity profile. And and broadly speaking, basically the design principle or criteria we have for the autoantibody-based therapeutics pre-clinically translated into human pharmacology and create encouraging clinical activities. And that's that really bodes well for our platform.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#30

Yeah, okay, excellent. And like you said, you're going to report.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#31

Report full Phase 1b results for ATO-1310 in the fourth quarter. Can you tell us what data we're going to be getting? What do you hope to see in that update? It's a single dose again. So where should investors be careful not to read too much into the data that you'll share?

Tao Fu

executive
#32

So the fourth quarter update will include the full follow up for the two.

Tao Fu

executive
#33

Patient cohorts for up to 12 to 16 weeks. So 16 weeks visit is an option visit, optional visit. So the data will include, you know, obviously safety, you know, target engagement. You know, we want to see whether the target engagement is durable. You will have the full time course of the clinical responses for both populations and obviously the completed assessment of immunogenicity. So what we're hoping to see is, you know, whether the early clinical signal is sustained, whether we have durable target engagement to continue to support quarterly dosing, and also the favorable safety and low immunogenicity we observed so far kind of carry through to the full follow-up period. I do want the investor to remember this is a relatively small Phase 1 study, and the primary objective of the study is to assess safety, PK/PD, and the initial clinical signals, it really doesn't define the dosing regimen or even the duration, right? And we also allow rescue therapy after week four. Therefore, the available, and it's one single dose so the available week four data we already have really is the most important data set for this trial which we already demonstrated we have two active doses in two different populations. So I think the right way to use the full Phase 1b data is really to confirm our biological thesis, but also inform our Phase 2 dose and regimen selection. I think I would also like to mention in our Phase 2 studies, we also plan to give multiple doses in the induction phase. We can maximize efficacy before we start maintenance.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#34

Yes. Okay. So speaking of the Phase 2, so you'll be advancing ATO-1310 into Phase 2 studies in, like we said, chronic pruritus of unknown origin and high atopic dermatitis in the first half of next year. So there are no approved therapies in chronic pruritus of unknown origin and not many development precedents. I guess with that in mind, how are you approaching the design of the chronic pruritus of unknown origin Phase 2 and any learnings from other studies that you're planning on incorporating?

Tao Fu

executive
#35

Yes.

Tao Fu

executive
#36

Chronic pruritus of unknown origin is a real and now widely recognized disease. And as you point out, there's no FDA approved therapy. So we really believe the trial design and execution matter. And, you know, chronic pruritus of unknown origin is diagnosed by exclusion and it can have, you know, meaningful placebo responses. So our Phase 2 design is really trying to mitigate those risks. So, you know, we're planning to conduct a very large 300 patients global study that will be the largest study to date for this indication. Active dosing strategies and one large placebo group. So given the large effective size we see in our Phase 1b, we really kind of overpower the study to really maximize our chance to win.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#37

Okay. Yes, we have very constructive dialogue with the FDA and and. Okay, that makes sense. And you've engaged with FDA on the Phase 2 design, submitted the protocol to the agency. Can you talk about any feedback you got from the agency? Any surprises within that feedback or maybe just elements of the conversation?

Tao Fu

executive
#38

Really their feedback are broadly consistent with our Phase 2 design. Because chronic pruritus of unknown origin is obviously no approved therapy, FDA provides meaningful feedback on inclusion, exclusion criteria, study endpoints, and how do you characterize a dose response. So we have submitted our protocol to the FDA after incorporating all those feedback. I would also say that we have learnings from other later stage chronic pruritus of unknown origin studies, like the Dupixent study. There will be regulatory pathways they establish which could benefit our program.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#39

Excellent. And then just touching on the Phase 2 in atopic dermatitis. So maybe just elaborate on the decision to pursue development in mild to moderate patients with high itch specifically.

Tao Fu

executive
#40

Yeah, so I think our thesis there is the disease burden for AD is not fully captured by lesion severity. So there is this distinctive clinical phenotype where a patient can have more moderate lesion. It's an EASI score in the sort of 7 to 16 range, but they have very severe itch.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#41

Okay.

Tao Fu

executive
#42

It's a very large and underserved segment where I think systemic therapy, specifically focused on itch like ATO-1310, with also infrequent dosing, could be very attractive compared to branded topicals because there's no biologics approved in that segment. It also gives us a very differentiated development pathway versus the sort of the more, lot more crowded, moderate to severe, EASI about 16 Dupixent market, right? On a more severe spectrum, we do think IL-31 pathway could play an important role, either as a standalone therapy for certain high-itch patients or in combination with other drugs. But we have also a bi-specific, which incorporate both IL-13 and IL-31 to address, you know, itch and inflammation simultaneously.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#43

Okay. Yeah. And maybe just to follow up on that, I guess, you know, what you've heard in terms of Nemolizumab utilization and efficacy within that mild to moderate high itch population.

Tao Fu

executive
#44

It is not approved for that. You know, Nemolizumab has the label for age 16 and above. There might be some, you know, off-label use, but for us this is a true expansion opportunity.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#45

Excellent. And then maybe briefly just touch on development plans for ATO-1310 and other pruritic indications. I think you recently received IND clearance for a study in cholestatic pruritus. What are kind of go-forward plans for this molecule beyond these two indications?

Tao Fu

executive
#46

Yes, so, you know, yes, we did receive IND clearance to study ATO-1310 in China for cholestatic pruritus associated with PBC and PSC patients, and we actually received this approval within 22 working days, you know, based on their new innovative therapy, you know, paradigm. It is our first foray into the systemic itch outside of dermatology. If we're successful there, I think systemic itch conditions like cholestatic or CKD-related pruritus could represent a very meaningful upside in addition to chronic pruritus of unknown origin and high-itch AD.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#47

Okay, excellent. And I want to make sure we cover some of your preclinical programs too. So maybe first starting with ATO-2306. This is a bispecific targeting IL-31 and IL-13. These targets have obviously been individually validated for atopic dermatitis and prurigo nodularis, but... If these targets are inhibited simultaneously, should we expect better outcomes? How distinct and complementary are these two pathways?

Tao Fu

executive
#48

Yeah, we believe IL-13 and IL-31 are two complementary and non-overlapping pathways. You know, IL-13 obviously is the key driver for TH2 inflammation and skin lesions, where IL-31 is the primary driver of itch, but also impacts barrier dysfunction and neuroinflammation. IL-13 can have indirect effects on itch but those effects tend to be slow and not complete. So really if you look at also the two pathways, these are the only two clinically validated pathways that independently give you lesion control efficacy, right? And they're also, only two commercially validated pathways to get approval by the FDA, specifically for lesion control. And as I mentioned, ATO-1310, we have demonstrated we have lesion efficacy potentially without TCS. So the two pathways really kind of make a lot of sense to combine together. You know, hopefully that can help address both inflammation and itch simultaneously, but also give you very fast, deep, and durable responses. So that's kind of the thesis we have.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#49

Sure. OK. And it's no secret that bispecific development landscape is becoming increasingly more crowded, I would say certain arms, certain IL-31 targeting arms, and then the IL-4/IL-13 pathway kind of being, you know, another target. But how might ATO-2306 be differentiated from those other programs? And if you could, if you could include some commentary on differentiation versus IL-4 targeting and the choice on IL-13.

Tao Fu

executive
#50

Yeah, I think I think our thought has always been that the target selection within these two pathways are actually quite important and also nuanced. First IL-13 versus IL-4 receptor, you know, IL-13 targeting therapies like Lebrikizumab or [ Tralokinumab ] have has essentially similar or identical efficacy like Dupixent. But by avoiding IL-4 receptor, it also avoids a risk of target-mediated drug disposition or TMDD, which results in basically poor exposure and dosing frequency. So, any IL-4 receptor containing bispecific, for example, like the Born Bio, BBT-001 molecule will suffer from TMDD, right? So you will likely have, you know, slow, poor PK and will be struggling with commercially viable dosing. I believe the Born Bio molecule is currently being studied in IV only once every couple weeks. So, and then there is the IL-31 versus IL-31 receptor, right? So we talk about the reverse dose efficacy issue associated with IL-31 receptor. And if you think about it, that could be, you know, more problematic in a bispecific format because if you limit the dosing for the IL-31 receptor arm, you will likely impact the dosing on the IL-13. So I think the [ Zai Lab ] molecule targets IL-31 receptor, and as we understand it's also being studied in IV only right now.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#51

Right. Um right. Okay, interesting differentiation. And you'll be starting a Phase 1 healthy volunteer study for ATO-2306 in the first half of next year. I think you said results kind of mid-2027. So what should we be looking for in terms of PK/PD from that study?

Tao Fu

executive
#52

I think we'll be looking for three things in that study. We're looking for favorable PK profile and specifically the very long PK half-life we have been predicting based on our NHP half-life really supports quarterly or even longer dosing. And we're looking for robust target engagement for both pathways, so for both IL-13 and favorable safety and, you know, immunogenicity profile. I think if we can confirm all three things, our plan is to really move ATO-2306 to a large dose-ranging Phase 2 study directly in moderate to severe atopic dermatitis. We have a high concentration sub-Q formulation ready to go for the next phase for that study.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#53

Okay, excellent. And I think investors have kind of been conditioned to look at biomarkers within these early AD studies. So maybe any benchmarks we should have in mind for STAT6 inhibition or TARC reduction or any other biomarker you'd point to?

Tao Fu

executive
#54

Yes, I think for IL-13, probably the best marker for healthy volunteers is phospho STAT6. I think the data on TARC is pretty inconsistent if you look at the data from most of the approved TH2 therapies. So I think phospho STAT6 is probably the most important. And obviously we'll be looking at IL-31 inhibition. And for us, looking for that long PK half-life we're predicting based on our preclinical model.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#55

Okay, excellent. And I want to make sure we touch on your tri-specific ATO-1091. So similar to our discussion on the other assets, maybe just talk about the target selection for this asset, you know, and what have we seen pre-clinically thus far for ATO-1091.

Tao Fu

executive
#56

Yeah, so ATO-1091 is our global first-in-class tri-specific targeting TL1A, IL-23 p19, and integrin alpha 4 beta 7 simultaneously in one single molecule, right? Sort of a trifecta. We really think those three pathways are really distinctive, complementary to each other. And it really, a molecule that can inhibit all three, gives us the real potential to break through the efficacy ceiling of existing IBD treatment. So pre-clinically, we have shown we can highly, very importantly inhibiting all three pathways at the same time without interference, and also in the YTFC contained format that has very good developability. And our preclinical in vivo models also support that, you know, inhibiting all three pathways is actually a better activity than just one or two. So we obviously need to kind of confirm that in the clinic. But it's a really highly differentiated and unique molecule which will allow us to test this hypothesis of whether we can break through the efficacy ceiling.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#57

Right, and maybe just a strategic question on this. How are you thinking about progressing development in IBD while also pursuing these dermatological indications? Do you think about partnering? Is this something that Atovia can do themselves or decide down the line with more data?

Tao Fu

executive
#58

Yes, I mean, ATO-1091 is a very important internal value driver for us. I think in addition to the tri-specific concept, we have some very unique differentiating features like our TL1A binder, for example, is not only more potent than some of the monoclonal antibodies in Phase 3, but also avoids this high molecular weight aggregates issue, which could result in high ADA. Yes. We think it's a very differentiated asset. It's a very important value driver for us. And our IPO gives us the full ability to really fund the study into clinical, early clinical proof of concept.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#59

Okay.

Tao Fu

executive
#60

That being said, we recognize IBD is complex. It's going to be very costly to conduct large global studies. If there are partners that have deep development and commercial expertise, they could add value. So I think our strategy is really kind of maintain optionality. You know, we'll continue to unlock the strategic value while we're evaluating different alternatives. And the goal is to deliver the best value for our shareholders.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#61

Sure. And then maybe just quickly, you know, with that upsized IPO, what is your cash runway funding in terms of operational activity that we've discussed?

Tao Fu

executive
#62

Yes, so the IPO, we raised over $300 million and we still have about $115 million at the end of the second quarter. So, you know, combined the financial resources, we can fully fund our operating plan into 2030.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#63

Great.

Tao Fu

executive
#64

And basically, it funds the two large Phase 2 studies for ATO-1310 and all the other activities like cholestatic pruritus will fund the ATO-2306 programs through a Phase 2 atopic dermatitis study and also fund ATO-1091, you know, through early clinical proof of concept as well. So I think we're in a very strong position. I think the strategic point is we actually have multiple near term value inflection points for investors that are independent of each other.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#65

Right. Right. Excellent. Okay. So maybe in the last couple of minutes we'll just tick through a mini survey. We're asking all the management teams at the conference. So the first is on China's rise in biotech innovation. How are you thinking about your competitive position? Will this influence R&D or business development strategy potentially?

Tao Fu

executive
#66

Yeah, I think the the the Chinese competition is very important. Is real, right? But we kind of really see that both as a threat and opportunity. Internally for the pipeline we had, I think so far we saw limited or non-existent competition. For example, the ATO-1091 program, we have not seen another tri-specific program that's advanced to our stage. Certainly strategic interest from pharma on these programs. So we know we're creating value there. But our overall strategy with respect to China is to really raise our innovation bar. I really try to work on those concepts that are unique to our platform. I talk about the conditional bispecifics, having disclosed the targets, but both novel targets. What our technology platform can uniquely do, that's very difficult to be repeated. Really that's our strategy.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#67

Okay, great. And then just on AI, is there a way that Atovia is leveraging AI or thinking about the potential for AI to disrupt the broader industry?

Tao Fu

executive
#68

That is also real. And I think so far for Atovia, we're trying to incorporate AI into how we evaluate science and how our scientists doing science and think about maximize or optimize our workflow. For core discovery, I think a lot of experts would agree that the true bottom line is biology. Right. That's where AI, it is kind of still half catch up to do.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#69

Yeah. Okay. Excellent. And then lastly, just on the regulatory side of things, maybe it's a bit early for you guys, but do you think about whether it's an evolving FDA, pricing for drugs, anything on the regulatory side that kind of garners particular focus from you?

Tao Fu

executive
#70

I don't think it has a direct impact on Atovia because we're still relatively early stage. For example, MFN. One thing we have done is, because of MFN, really trying to be conservative on our commercial forecast. Like for ATO-1310, for example, we included U.S. revenue only and also making very conservative pricing assumptions.

Tao Fu

executive
#71

But that being said, we still get to like an $11 billion peak sales, right? So it's still pretty good.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#72

Excellent. All right. Thank you again, Tao. This was great. We appreciate you being here.

Tao Fu

executive
#73

Yes, thank you, Judah, for having me. Yes, appreciate it.

Judah Frommer

analyst
#74

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