Austal Limited (ASB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 25, 2022

Australian Securities Exchange AU Industrials Aerospace and Defense earnings 52 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Austal Limited FY 2022 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Paddy Gregg, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#2

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Austal FY 2022 Full Year Results Call. I'm Paddy Gregg, the CEO at Austal, and I'm joined today by our interim CFO, Geoff Buchanan. And we'll be presenting in the same format as we have done previously with me giving a business overview and context, while Geoff will focus on the financial details. And as always, we plan to present for no more than 30 minutes and allow plenty of time for questions at the end of the call. I think in summary, it's been a very successful year for Austal, delivering 9 ships in FY '22, maintaining a strong balance sheet, and we also strengthened our strategic position to unlock significant long-term opportunities in the shipbuilding industry and broader defense sector through some significant investment and contract wins. The pinnacle of those contract wins was obviously the OPC win on the 30th of June this year. Throughout the year, we provided guidance to shareholders at half year results at profit would not less than $107 million for the year. And on the award of the OPC, we were delighted to be able to increase that guidance to the near record result that you see today as we are announcing. As always, there are some features of the results that will require some explanation, and we aim to do that on this call and in the slides that we've posted online to try and help you through it. So if we look at the financial headlines, I think these results demonstrate another really strong operational performance of the business. And at the same time, as we've made significant investment in the business and demonstrated real results through contract wins. I think the stand-outs in the half for me were the second highest EBIT the business has ever recorded; still great confidence in the balance sheet, allowing us to maintain the dividend year-on-year and continue to invest in both organic and inorganic opportunities; and we're really focused on investing for future shareholder returns, including the steel capability in the U.S., growing our support business with the San Diego acquisition, just to mention a couple of things. In particular, I think the results demonstrate how the nature of our business being heavily skewed to defense can really withstand economic, operational and COVID challenges. Thinking about the business and some of the key facts that really summarize how we've performed. So a bit of a revenue drop, some COVID impact, and we know that still hasn't gone away. But great order book that we see in front of us. So quite a number of contract wins. And if we included all the options on OPC, that would take us to around $7 billion of orders and a really strong pipeline going forward. I'm really proud of what the teams in both the U.S. and Australasia have done to be able to deliver 9 ships despite all the COVID challenges, logistics challenges and all the disruption that we've seen globally. We really have spent the last couple of years building the business to be looking at broader opportunities, further reaching. And this is really paying off when you look at what we've won, the pipeline and indeed the future designs that we're working on. Our Service and Support business has had some challenges, but we still see a really bright future, and I'm pleased to say the Marine Group Boat Works acquisition back in December has gone really well. We've ordered the floating dock for that, and we're now up to 8 service centers worldwide with some 42 vessels under sustainment contracts. So I think with that, I'll hand over to Geoff to talk through the financial details, and then I'll sum up with our financial and strategic outlook at the end of the call. Over to you, Geoff.

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#3

Thank you, Paddy, and good morning, everybody. I'm pleased to be able to present a strong financial performance for the group for FY 2022. Revenue decreased by 9% to $1.43 billion as expected, driven by lower throughput with the maturity of the LCS program in the U.S. business, reduced work in the commercial ferry sector in Australasia and the residual impacts of COVID-19 on our support business. Despite this fall in revenues, the company posted its second highest EBIT and EBITDA result of $120.7 million and $165.4 million, respectively, driven largely by the improved shipbuilding margin in the U.S. following improved efficiencies that allowed an accelerated release of contingencies. The OPC contract allowed us to update our assumptions surrounding costs included in the program estimates of completion and labor utilization at 30th of June that were used to calculate the company's EBIT. And this resulted in an upgrade in our EBIT to $120.7 million from our previous guidance of a minimum of $107 million as advised to the market last week. The company's NPAT was down 2% to $79.6 million due to an increase in Austal's effective tax rate from 24% to 29% due to the utilization of some tax losses in FY 2021. Earnings per share fell marginally from $0.226 per share to $0.22 per share as a result. Moving on to group revenue and the movement. As mentioned, the key driver of the 9% revenue reduction to $1.43 billion was the lowest throughput with the maturity of the LCS program, together with around 800,000 lost production hours due to COVID-19. The AUD-USD FX gain was largely offset by reduced commercial ferry work and residual COVID-19 impacts on the Australasia Support business. Moving on to group EBIT. It's pleasing to note that the successful achievement of shipbuilding milestones and the resulting retirement of risk contingencies amounting to $14 million was the primary driver of the increased EBIT. Conversely, FY 2021 included incentive award fees, funding approvals and higher-margin contracts in the U.S. support business as we advised in the FY 2021 presentation, but these were not replicated in FY 2022. Group EBIT for FY 2022 increased overall by $6 million or 5% over FY 2021 as a result. Moving on to Slide 7 of the presentation. We take a look at the breakdown between our U.S. and our Australasia segments. Firstly, on the U.S. Shipbuilding revenue at $880.1 million was down 9% on FY 2021 for the reasons we've already stated, although there was some FX upside. However, the shipbuilding EBIT at $221.1 million saw an uplift of 18% from the combined positive impact of strong milestone achievement and the accelerated release of contingencies. Support revenue of $175.8 million improved 8% over the year, although the EBIT margin returned to more normalized levels of around 6.6% as the FY 2021 EBIT support margin had been inflated by some incentive awards, as I previously mentioned. In Australasia, shipbuilding saw revenues contract by 8% to $285.7 million as a result of the reduction in commercial ferry build activity in our Asian shipyards, offset by increased defense contract work in Australia. Whilst the shipbuilding margin reduced from the prior period to 4.2%, this was largely driven by the typhoon-related damage repair costs in the Philippines mentioned at the half year. Adding back this impairment, the EBIT margin would have been around 6%, more in line with historic norms. Both support revenue at $98.3 million and EBIT of $2.8 million improved over the prior period due to increased availabilities and more emergent work. Moving on to Slide 8, cash flow. Pleasing to note that whilst our operating cash flow fell by $76 million mainly due to the timing of milestone payments as a direct consequence of COVID-19 impact, it was still a positive operating cash flow. This also led to an increase in our network in progress at the year-end. Enhancing capital expenditure was the main driver of the increased investing cash flows with $121.2 million of enhancing CapEx supporting the acquisition of Marine Group Boat Works in San Diego and the installation of our new steel plant in Mobile, both key enablers for future orders. The spend is net of U.S. government grants, which we continue to receive. We ended the year with a strong cash position with $240.1 million in the bank, notwithstanding the significant CapEx spend. These cash reserves allow us to declare a $0.04 per share final dividend, taking the full year dividend to $0.08 per share in addition to supporting completion of the steel transition at San Diego dry dock enhancing projects alongside recent and future ship program awards. The additional capital investments and revaluation of property, plant and equipment in the U.S. were significant contributors to the growth in total net assets to $924.3 million from $774 million in the prior year. There were no additional borrowings during the year, and we retained $115.6 million net cash. I'll now hand back to Paddy to present the financial outlook. Thank you.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#4

Thanks, Geoff. So I think as you're all aware, Austal secured a really significant pipeline of work and really rather recently, couple that with the current macroeconomic environment, which is -- continues to be a little bit volatile and some of the residual impacts from COVID-19, we really see this financial year as a transition year as we move from established existing programs through the design and long-lead material ordering on the new programs and readiness for a full steady-state production that we're in today with EPF and LCS and our programs across Australasia. We're still able to provide EBIT guidance of approximately $100 million, demonstrating the confidence we have in the business. And as always, we will keep shareholders informed of any material impacts that could change that throughout the year. So if we turn to the strategic outlook for the business, I think we're fundamentally delivering our growth and diversity plan. You see that coming through the investments we made and the transition we made into steel a couple of years ago. You see that coming through some of the systems side of the business, the investments we're making there and the opportunities we have through the sustainment side of the business. Previously, we've talked about autonomy and the importance of autonomous vessels as part of naval fleets, and interest there is growing. And the great work that the team in the U.S. are doing on EPF 13, which is on autonomy trials at the minute. And then thinking to the future of the commercial ferry market, although a small part of our business, we still see that returning as COVID travel restrictions reduce and a real desire from operators around the world and indeed regulators around the world to reduce emissions from all boats that operate on the ocean. So future fuels and the fact that Austal is ready for any technology, and we'll integrate that into whatever an operator wants, I think we're future-ready in the commercial world as well. And the significant success in winning steel, I think, demonstrates that was absolutely the right pivot for the business and well justified. The pinnacle of which being the excellent work the U.S. team did to win up to 11 ships in the Offshore Patrol Cutter contract. And then thinking to the future. So I talked about a much broader and deeper pipeline. And so not only have we got vessels that we're working on today and building and delivering, we have won vessels that we will build and deliver in the future, and we're on design programs and have tenders in for future vessels. Looking at things like T-AGOS, LUSV, future frigate light amphibious warship in the U.S. and indeed, the force structure plan here in Australia and things like landing craft that we have submitted our tender for. So not only in the shipbuilding side of things do we have a much broader and deeper pipeline, the investments we've made in San Diego and being -- joining the SEC East and West contracts in the U.S., a great opportunity to continue to grow the support business and indeed here in Australia as we deliver more of our patrol boats, greater opportunity for us to win service work on them out of our yards up in Queensland and Darwin. And then some other smaller opportunities at the minute, but really trying to diversify that revenue stream, some opportunities for focused factory work in the U.S. and undertaking some work on aluminum parts of other ships and really using our expertise to diversify and grow those revenue streams, something that we will focus on in years to come. And absolutely fantastic that the San Diego acquisition completed. We're busy making that our own facility, getting it set up and really ready to meet that target that we published last year around $500 million of support revenue by FY '27. Some of the strategic wins we've had in Australia this year, I think, demonstrate the importance of Austal to the Commonwealth. The 2 additional Capes that we won were really significant in that they bridge the gap between the current programs that we're building and the work that we're tendering for in the future as part of the Force Structure Plan. To really trying to build that relationship with defense, ensure that we deliver ships for Navy, I'm really pleased to say at a time whenever you read about many programs going to the right, Austal is confidently delivering every single one of the Guardian Class Patrol Boats to a schedule that was set back in 2015. So despite COVID challenges, I'm very proud of what the team have managed to do to keep those ships on track and deliver them. And of course, we've now delivered the first 2 vessels of the evolved Capes as well. So demonstrating again that capability to find a way, deliver on our commitments and keep our customers satisfied. We see opportunities for systems to generate revenue. The Lucy software that we've developed is on trial on the Capes that are going to the Navy, and we think that could have a bright future not only on our ships, but on other ships, not only in defense but also in commercial, and that's another potential future revenue stream that we will continue to push. So really, with the capability we've got to deliver in steel and aluminum in shipbuilding, in sustainment, in commercial and defense and do that on a global scale, I remain very excited and optimistic about the opportunities we have as a business going forward. So with that, I will open up the call for questions at this point.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Mitch Sonogan at Macquarie.

Mitchell Sonogan

analyst
#6

Can you hear me all right?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#7

Yes, we can, Mitch.

Mitchell Sonogan

analyst
#8

Yes. Just the first one, just on the approximate $100 million EBIT guidance for FY '23. Are you able to provide just any color on high-level revenue expectations across the 2 geographic segments, please?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#9

So we anticipate overall revenue will be similar to what we achieved this year.

Mitchell Sonogan

analyst
#10

Yes. Okay. And just going to the OPC, obviously, a really good win for the business. Can you maybe just give a little bit more color on how you see the timing in terms of rate of production, et cetera, and how long it's going to take to get up to full run rate revenues? And just any thoughts on profit recognition on the medium-term outlook for that program, if you can at this stage?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#11

Yes, absolutely. So as we announced, it's a contract that is for the first ship plus a series of options after that. You'll also be aware that there is a challenge on that win at the minute, which we are addressing due to end in the middle of October. And really, the first 12 months of that program is around design finalization, build strategy, long-lead material orders and then we really get into production after that. You'll remember that we also won the T-ATS vessels. So we've cut metal on the first T-ATS vessel, and we really anticipate that all 5 of those options will come to pass. And that's what we'll use to sort of blow the cobwebs away from the brand-new steel facilities that we've invested in. So we need to get that program through before OPC. And also the floating dock that we won in the U.S., the ADFM (sic) [ AFDM ], a very large floating dock that is in steel, and we'll go through the steel line alongside the T-ATS vessels and get us really ready for OPC going forward.

Mitchell Sonogan

analyst
#12

Yes. And maybe just quickly on the T-ATS, you had a provision put in on the first 2 vessels. Can you maybe just touch on that and how that's going to play out?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#13

Yes, absolutely. A little bit frustrating in so much as whenever we put our bid in based on a specification and some quantities, there were some changes to that as we went through the contract award. And we've tried to be as fulsome as possible in our disclosure notes in the annual report. So we will be applying for an equitable adjustment with the Navy to try and square up on some of those changes and then hit with some economic challenges with hyperinflation in the supply chain. Again, some work that we've got to do with the supply chain around mandated equipment and what we can do on pricing of that. So as always, I think we've been prudent. I think you saw a similar position with LCS 38 that you know the accounting standards force us to take the hit upfront while we do the work and get the certainty that we can recover those unforeseen costs that occurred since we tendered for the project. So something the team are very focused on, something we are working on. And I hope to see that return to a more positive position in the coming months.

Mitchell Sonogan

analyst
#14

Yes. Very clear. Just a final one for me, and I'll jump back in the queue. Just maybe any sort of update you can on timing of potential major tender awards in the next 12 months, whether that's liner, warship, future frigate, et cetera? And maybe can you just provide a little bit of color around your capacity, I guess, there in Mobile? If you were to win something else as big as the law, like how would that look across the different facilities?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#15

Yes. So I think the thing that we have line of sight to that has been announced is the T-AGOS tender. So we've submitted our initial bid for T-AGOS. These are very large steel catamaran vessels, ideally suited to Austal, in our opinion. With our catamaran capability and our new steel capability, we're anticipating a contract award back end of this year, early next year. And in terms of capacity, it's interesting how we think about the shipyard because we always try and fill these facilities that we've got, but we have not run out of space. So for me, capacity is a function of being able to build additional consolidation sheds if we needed to, and then recruiting the people that we would need to undertake the work. And I think we've demonstrated over the years certainly capability in recruiting and training people with the training center right next door to our facilities. And then a reasonably small level of CapEx to be required to build consolidation sheds having invested in all the major equipment and machinery that we need for the start of the steel-cutting and forming processes. So I think the yard absolutely has the capability to grow in revenue, and that's why we're bidding hard for the T-AGOS program on top of the OPC program. And then as you say, a longer pipeline of other vessels out there, whether that's things like light amphibious warship. You mentioned frigate and second source. And the debate rages in the U.S. about when is the right time to bring a second source online. Is it sooner? So maybe get more ships and more certainty around when they're going to get their assets. Or is it the less risky approach where you actually ensure that the first vessel is delivered, any design issues are changed out and any construction issues are understood and then you go forward with second source. So at the minute, I think the less-risk option is winning, which would suggest it's beyond FY '25 before we would see second source and frigate. But again, frigate second source is absolutely something that is on our medium-term radar and something that we would definitely have the capability to do demonstrated through all the steel programs that have gone through the yard or will have gone through the yard by the time that second source comes up for awards. So we're absolutely working at a much broader and much further reaching pipeline than we ever have done before.

Operator

operator
#16

Your next question comes from Russell Gill at JPMorgan.

Russell Gill

analyst
#17

Paddy, just, I guess, some further clarification on some of Mitch's questions. Firstly, just on the OPC contract and the challenge that's occurring due October. Does that delay your ability to actually start work on it? Or are you starting to do work on it now and you can book some revenue and cash from the government? Or do you have to wait for the challenge before you can actually do anything?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#18

No. So the challenge does put some delay in and some uncertainty, but we have an agreed number that we can work up to with the U.S. And that allows us to get out there, do all the planning, do all the preparation and start the long-lead ordering. Really, it's designed to ensure that there's minimal or no delay to the overall program. And we work very closely with Coast Guard on that to ensure that we've got enough headroom to try and keep that program progressing to plan.

Russell Gill

analyst
#19

So if we're thinking -- when you're saying that you expect revenue overall to be flattish, that's incorporating some OPC work in that number?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#20

Yes, small amount, mostly focusing on the T-ATS vessels and the floating dock in this year, while we do the sort of planning long-lead material ordering, design finalization for OPC.

Russell Gill

analyst
#21

And then OPC cutting steel is beginning FY '24?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#22

Yes.

Russell Gill

analyst
#23

Okay. And what's the rate of delivery of -- or anticipated rate of delivery? Is it 2 every 3 years? Or what's the rate of delivery of the OPCs?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#24

It will be -- we need to finalize exact details, but it will be a similar schedule to how we put out LCS. So 2, every 3 years is not a bad estimate and maybe slightly longer than that just due to the size of the ships. But absolutely, we want to get into the sort of drumbeat manufacturing methodology and the consistency that we've had on both EPF and LCS.

Russell Gill

analyst
#25

Great. And if we look at through your contingencies that you're still holding for LCS, it's come down, I think it was $150 million last year down to just $100 million this year. If you're thinking of your $100 million of EBIT coming through in '23, how much of that will be contingencies coming through on that program of that $100 million EBIT?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#26

So it depends very much on achievement of milestones. So it's a reasonably mechanistic process in that we hold contingency against milestones on the program. And if we successfully mitigate the risks as those milestones occur, we release that contingency. So you'll have seen a steady release over the last few years, as you look through the notes and the declarations we make in the annual report. And so we anticipate, as we deliver ships at the same rate, providing we mitigate the risks in the way we have done in the past, we would see similar releases going forward. We did have a bit of a special review in this financial year that we talked about in the half, based on how successful we have been in mitigating those risks and looking at what's left on the program, recognizing that there were quite a number of ships that have been delivered. So yes, releasing MR will be a feature of the $100 million in line with what we've done previously.

Russell Gill

analyst
#27

Yes. So the way we should think about, I guess, that contingency coming through into that $100 million, it will probably -- it will show -- because you're delivering these LCS at a similar rate. Does the contingency actually What you're releasing go up because you're getting right to the end of the LCS program, so there's less risk involved? Or is it following a similar sort of, I guess, cadence as you're going through?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#28

Similar cadence. The levels of contingency that we hold are set and declared and should reduce in line with achieving milestones on ships and delivering them and mitigating the risks.

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#29

And Russell, obviously, most of that will flow through in financial year '23 and '24 at that similar level of cadence. Obviously, some will be held back in '25 post delivery.

Russell Gill

analyst
#30

Yes. Yes. So following a similar trend, '23, '24 and then a tiny tail into '25.

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#31

Yes.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#32

Yes.

Russell Gill

analyst
#33

And then just the other contingency, which relating to your -- the vessel, which I think is EUR 62 million number, it looks like you agreed with the customer to push the delivery out to January 2023. I mean these customers, I presume, need these ships. If they were to build that ship today, I mean, what's the opportunity cost for them saying we don't want it today relative to starting again or finding something in the open market? I just want to understand what's the actual risk of them not taking delivery if there are further delays?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#34

So the only reason it was scheduled to be delivered in December and the only reason it really moved to January was because they didn't want to be sailing it home over Christmas. So we agreed with them, early January was a better delivery date rather than them sending over a full crew in December to work up and then be on the seas over the Christmas break. So it was a human decision really in terms of when is the best time to deliver that for the yard, recognizing Christmas is a key feature in Europe as it is in the Philippines and just agreeing with them when they want to take it. In terms of them canceling, the price of a new boat would be significantly higher than they're currently paying for that boat and driven really by what you've seen around the globe with material prices, logistics and labor rates going up. So definitely, canceling it and reordering would be incredibly expensive for them. And they've put an awful lot. This isn't an off-the-shelf boat. They put an awful lot into the design and the specific requirements of that vessel. And it's very much going to be a jewel in the crown of their fleet, and they've put a lot of effort into it. So I think there really is minimal risk that they would not want it. And even the 6th of January, there's quite significant gap between that and any long stop date in the contract. So we're confident that we'll be able to deliver that boat, and we're very confident they'll be very happy to receive it.

Russell Gill

analyst
#35

Great. Understood. And then, Geoff, just on the cash flow, we -- what should we be thinking from a maintenance CapEx going forward? And is the vast majority of the CapEx spent in the U.S. now done? Or is there still some CapEx to come through in FY '23? And then just second cash flow question on the operating cash flow. As you're ramping up projects, how should we think about working capital and then the operating cash flow trend over FY '23?

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#36

Okay. Yes. Thanks, Russell. I think on the first one, our sustaining CapEx, we expect to continue at similar levels to the past in routine maintenance and sustainment. On the enhancing capital side, no, we still got quite a lot of spend to go. So a similar level in '23 from '22. Obviously, there's the timing impact of that, and we are still to receive an element to funding from the U.S. government on that. So -- but yes, you can expect a similar level of CapEx, enhancing CapEx spend through 2023 and obviously, a slight uplift in depreciation charge and amortization as a result. On your second question on the operating cash flows, I think they will be sufficient to continue to support this level of activity, the new program awards. Obviously, we had, had some delays in milestone payments as a result of COVID-related impacts during FY '22. As that ameliorates, we should see a return to more normal billing cycles. So we're confident that we will continue to see positive and hopefully growing operating cash flows.

Russell Gill

analyst
#37

Okay. So to be clear, so FY '23, we should still be seeing cash inflows. There's no, I guess, ramp up working capital requirement coming through? And then if I look at your net CapEx spend in FY '22, including, I guess, government subsidies, looks about $85 million. That's a similar number we should be thinking about '23 as well?

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#38

Yes. That sounds about right because we should have a -- we've got a lot of -- quite a buildup of work in progress, which we'll see releasing through '23. So yes, that sounds about right, Russell.

Operator

operator
#39

Your next question comes from Sam Teeger at Citi.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#40

Congratulations on the recent Offshore Patrol Cutter win. First question, just in terms of the $100 million FY '23 EBIT guidance. Just given all the moving parts with the LCS provision and other provisions, what level of cash conversion is reasonable to expect relative to FY '22? And the second part of the guidance question is what FX rate does the guidance assume?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#41

Good questions, Sam. I'd expect the cash conversion to be very similar to what it has been. And the reason we've put approximately in our EBIT guidance is there are many moving parts, and FX is one of those. So we haven't gone out with a specific figure because we have seen some reasonably big swings in FX going forward. And if we talk to the banks about forward rates, we get a very big range of potential answers. So we haven't tried to tie ourselves in knots with being so specific on those details.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#42

Okay. And then I appreciate the support margins were inflated in FY '21 via the one-off benefit. But can you help us understand what's the right level of margin to be assuming for support in the U.S. and Australasia in FY '23?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#43

Yes. So again, you're seeing -- I think it was last year or the year before that we tried to do some analysis of normalizing support margins because we do see some lumpiness in terms of what comes through when we can claim jobs as complete. Some jobs require a lot of OQE to go with them, which puts some uncertainty into the final sign-off and payment of the bills. And we have seen a bit of a mix change with the Austal West Campus in Mobile and bringing in some commercial work, which is usually more lucrative than the fairly standard margins we make in defense. And that's what really drove the exceptional or the one-offs from last year. So I think previously, we've always talked in that sort of 7% to 9% range. And I think that's certainly what we target to be in going forward.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#44

Got it. That's helpful. And then like as you know, the backlogs are thinning out in the Philippines and Vietnam, how concerning is this to you? And assuming you keep the yard albeit a bit scaled down the workforces, what's the likely annual cash outflow that Austal will be on the hook for? And what's the strategy around this?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#45

Yes. So great question. And to be honest, it's probably my biggest concern and area of focus. If we start with Vietnam, so we're building the 66-meter cat over there, that's due for delivery around about May next year. So there's still a reasonably healthy amount of work for that yard. But absolutely, we do need to win more work. We're looking to diversify slightly in Vietnam. Maybe there's other manufacturing opportunities out there. We made a press release about Spectainer, so some manufacturing of container work. Normally not that interesting in itself. What makes it interesting is the volume, and that could make a significant difference to that business. There are also some neighbors to our yard in Vietnam that have won some very specific vessels, and we're talking to them about some sort of partnership where we could build modules for them. So I think that diversification in Vietnam will work. It's not as easy to undertake that diversification in the Philippines. And the Mols vessel, as we talked about earlier, delivers in January next year. So the focus for me at the minute really is finding more work and probably shipbuilding work to fill the Philippines yard. And we've recently commissioned an external study to understand the global commercial market in all segments. And once we receive that, that will help us make some long-term decisions about where we want to go with that yard. But really, if we think about what would it cost if we had to take a really tough decision to mothball that yard for a period while COVID sorted itself out and operators decided what the fuel of the future was going to be and what sort of ferries they wanted to order, luckily, the labor rate in the Philippines is reasonably low. And therefore, there's not a huge cost if we had to have a redundancy program or reduce the size of the workforce. And then the question would be, do you want to mothball that yard for a while because you know there will be a resurgence in some long-term future? Or is it something that actually with the way things are going globally, there's going to be a longer time period and maybe there's a divestiture or something like that? So I think that's going to be a key piece of work for us in coming months and something that is absolutely in the forefront of our mind.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#46

Got it. And last question, just with this T-ATS provision, what's your building margin will you now are going to be on those vessels?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#47

So we've talked in the past about we aim to be in the 7% to 10% range. I think there's a few things that we've got to work through on the first couple of vessels to understand where we are in materials and the equitable adjustment with the government. Unfortunately, that's not a quick process. So it is going to take a bit of time. And that's really why we've had to declare those as zone risks as by the accounting standards, so to be worked on going forward. But as a business that we aim for a 7% to 10% EBIT generally on what we're bidding for.

Operator

operator
#48

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from James Lennon at Petra Capital.

James Lennon

analyst
#49

Geoff, just 2 questions from me. Firstly, just on the tax rate. Can you remind me what the tax rate will be going forward? I know you had that -- the utilization of that tax loss in '21. But is it closer to 25% or more like 29% going forward?

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#50

Thanks, James. It's closer to 25%, which is where we have been historically. The blend of the U.S. tax rate, federal and state and our corporate tax rate here in Australasia is 30%. So it's weighted towards the U.S. tax rate within our tax group. So yes, it should be -- we expect it to get back to around 25%.

James Lennon

analyst
#51

Right. Just the second one is in terms of the U.S. market, I think you've talked in the past about maybe doing subcontracting for aircraft carriers or something like that. Is that something that's still being looked at? Or is it really something you'll look out if T-AGOS doesn't go ahead or some other?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#52

No, I think it's something that we'll absolutely look at. Some of the major platforms in the U.S. have got significant years of backlog. And with the capability we've now got in aluminum and steel and our desire to diversify and really grow and secure revenue in the future, it's definitely something we'll be having to look at. And hopefully, we'll be able to talk more about that throughout this year as we understand the opportunities in more detail and hopefully start winning work in that area.

Operator

operator
#53

Your next question comes from David Fraser at MST Access.

David Fraser

analyst
#54

Quick one. Previously, in your slide pack, you've had a slide on the U.S. sustainment business and revenue opportunity of up to USD 450 million to USD 600 million by 2025. I noticed it wasn't in the pack this time. But I'm just wondering, is there upside from, I guess, the new contracts you've won with T-AGOS and T-ATS and, ultimately, OPC once you get some boats in the water? Is that built into that sort of guidance number of $450 million to $600 million? Or is there some upside there?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#55

The new contracts could provide some upside. Really, we put out that guidance last year, recognizing we were making a significant investment in San Diego and the opportunities we see as we deliver more off-shore ships that will be home ported in San Diego. So the investment in the facility itself gives us immediate opportunity. The investment in the floating dock will increase that opportunity because we'll be able to work on 2 vessels at a time rather than 1. And we'll also be able to work on a vessel that requires work below the water line, so we can actually lift the ships out of the water. So good opportunity there. And that was really facilitated through getting access to the SEC West contract. Now you'll also remember that we got access to the SEC East contract, which allows us to bid for work in the East Coast. And don't be surprised if you see an East Coast strategy very similar to the -- what we've achieved in the West Coast. The interesting thing about the East Coast ships is those are generally not Austal-built ships, but we are confident we've got the skills and the capability. And we'd like to establish ourselves on the East Coast, maybe as a subprime to start with, understand our capability, understand the rates that need to be bid against our competitors to successfully win work, then look to establish our own facilities and really see that area grow and grow in the future. And then thinking more strategically, well, follow Austal-built ships around the globe and where do they end up, where do they operate. In the first instance, we see that as another strategic opportunity for us to start having a look at how we grow that service business in the U.S. And similarly, in Australia, Australia numbers form part of our target. And the acquisition we made of the BSE facility and establishing ourselves as a big player in the Cairns facility and also capability to deliver both defense and commercial in Brisbane. And then a smaller facility, but nonetheless, contributes work that we do in Darwin for ships that are based there. Yes, we are committed to that target, and we still see as a great opportunity of growth for the business.

David Fraser

analyst
#56

Great. Just, I guess, current thinking on Subic Bay and Guam?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#57

Yes. Subic remains a challenge in so much as it's taken a long time. And there has been some certainty put into that deal because I think you'll have read in the press, a company called Cerberus have secured that facility. And we're in discussion with them, and we'd love to find a model that works where we could lease part of that facility and undertake work on U.S. ships that are in the region. We still think it's a great facility and a good opportunity. And we're still in discussions about how we can make that opportunity work for the new owner and ourselves.

David Fraser

analyst
#58

Okay. And Guam?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#59

Yes. So it's kind of a next on the list. That related to my follow Austal ships around the globe and where do they go. So Guam is a big service center for U.S. warships. So that would be a likely opportunity for us to have a think about is there something we can do there to grow that revenue stream.

David Fraser

analyst
#60

Okay. Geoff, just a quick one. Obviously, the cash flow, you talked about the timing of the milestone receipts. Should we expect a relatively strong first half '23 result of the operating cash flow line because of that timing? Or is it totally dependent?

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#61

Yes. No, I think that would be a fair assumption because a number of milestone -- or the larger milestone receipts came through -- have come through already this year, so yes.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#62

The only caveat I'd put on that, David, is you know this business is milestone-based and cash can be lumpy for us. So sometimes we even surprise ourselves with the way things move. You hit something early, you have a good day, you're a couple of days late on something and these are quite big chunks of cash that are binary for us. So yes, that's -- what Geoff said is absolutely what we anticipate, but we never cease to surprise ourselves with what can happen.

Geoffrey Buchanan

executive
#63

And of course, there may always be variations requested and so and so. So yes, there are some factors I'm going to say, as Paddy said. But yes, hopefully, based on current knowledge, yes.

David Fraser

analyst
#64

Okay. And then last one for me, and I guess this is big picture one. But there's been some speculation on FactSet and in the press, et cetera, that you may have aggressively bid the OPC contract on pricing, et cetera, which would obviously impact our margins potentially going forward at Mobile. Could you just comment on that?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#65

Yes. So in my mind, there's no point having a full shipyard for 10 years and not making any money. So we haven't done anything silly in that bid. We consistently talk about the 7% to 10% range in terms of what we target at. In all likelihood, we are achieving profit levels on long-established ships at the minute on the EPF and LCS programs. So don't expect that to continue immediately. But no, we absolutely haven't done anything silly in the OPC bid.

David Fraser

analyst
#66

Right. Pretty good outcome for a pretty tough year obviously.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#67

Thank you.

Operator

operator
#68

Your next question comes from your next question comes from William Park at Citi.

William Park

analyst
#69

Just I think the majority of my questions are already answered, but just a quick one on OPC, if I may. I understand last month, Eastern Shipbuilding Group, they've launched a formal complaint protest of some sort. I just wanted to understand whether if there is any risk to the timing of the OPC program as a result of that? Or is it a sort of a -- is it not so much of a material risk for you guys?

Patrick Gregg

executive
#70

There is some risk, but Coast Guard tried to mitigate that by giving us a limit of liability that we can go and commence the design process and the readiness for build, stock pricing, long-lead orders. Now if that process drags on and on and on, yes, there is clearly some risk to it. But my understanding is it's a time bond process to try and prevent it just drifting on endlessly. And I think it's the middle of October, it has to be concluded. And in terms of Eastern lodging that protest, it's not really any surprise to us because they lose a whole lot from this program. But at the same time, let's remember that the reason this program is being -- or was re-tendered was because of their performance. So I think, in my mind, it's something they had to do. You don't see a protest from Bollinger or HII. They see that the competition was run and won fair and square, and they haven't protested. So it's something that we absolutely have to get through. And yes, there is some risk to it, but we think we have done everything by the book. dotted every I and crossed every T. So we're assisting Coast Guard in that process right now.

Operator

operator
#71

That concludes our question-and-answer session for today. I'll now hand back for closing remarks.

Patrick Gregg

executive
#72

Well, I'd just like to summarize by saying thank you all for joining the call this morning, and thank you for your questions. It's always nice when they are informed questions and absolutely relevant to the business. Just to sum up, I think it's been a great year. I think everything that we have been doing for the last 2 years to diversify, pivot to steel and really try and not be in this sort of limbo situation where we have major transitions from one program to the next. The capability we've put into the business, the breadth of work that we are bidding on and the longevity into the future, I think we're absolutely now set up for a great platform of growth going forward. We've got excellent teams of people in all our locations. They're performing very well. And I think we're going to see the business go from strength to strength over the coming years. So thanks for sticking with us during the transition time. And this year will be a transition, but we've got that long order book now that gives us that brilliant platform to grow from. So thank you all for joining the call today, and talk to you soon.

Operator

operator
#73

Thank you. That concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your lines.

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