AXT, Inc. (AXTI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 16, 2020

NASDAQ US Information Technology Semiconductors and Semiconductor Equipment special 52 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our investor update. Leading the call today is Dr. Morris Young, Chief Financial Officer (sic) [ Chief Executive Officer ]. My name is Valarie, and I'll be your coordinator today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Leslie Green, Investor Relations for AXT.

Leslie Green

attendee
#2

Thank you, Valerie, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, including comments made in response to your questions, we will provide projections or make other forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, our plan to merge Tongmei, our wafer manufacturing company in China with BoYu and JinMei; Tongmei receiving the first tranche of private equity investment funds; signing investment documents to secure the second tranche of private equity investment funds into Tongmei and subsequently receiving such funds; completing other preliminary steps in connection with the proposed listing of shares of Tongmei on the STAR Market; being accepted to list shares of Tongmei on the STAR Market; and the timing and completion of such listing of shares of Tongmei on the STAR market. In addition, we will make other forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, the future financial performance of the company; the future financial structure of the company; market conditions and technology trends, including expected growth in the markets we serve and our positioning with our Tier 1 customers; emerging applications using chips or devices fabricated on our substrates; our ability to ramp production; as well as global economic political conditions. We wish to caution you that such statements deal with future events and are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to differ materially. These uncertainties and risks include, but are not limited to, the tax and legal consequences of merging Tongmei with BoYu and JinMei May, the lack of interest private equity funds in China to invest in Tongmei, the withdrawal cancellations or request for redemptions by private equity funds in China of investments in Tongmei, the timing of receipt of private equity funds into Tongmei, the administrative challenges satisfying the requirements of various government agencies in China in connection with the investments in Tongmei and the listing of shares of Tongmei on the STAR Market, continued open access to company to list shares on the STAR Market, investor enthusiasm for listing of new shares on the STAR Market and geopolitical conditions between China and the United States. Additional uncertainties and factors include, but are not limited to, overall conditions in the markets in which the company competes, global financial conditions and uncertainties, COVID-19 and other outbreaks of contagious disease, potential tariffs and trade restrictions, increased environmental regulations in China, market acceptance and demand for the company's products, the financial performance of our partially owned supply chain companies and the impact of delays by our customers on the timing of sales of their products. In addition to the factors that may be discussed in this call, we refer you to the company's periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These are available online by link from our website and contain additional information on risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. This conference call will be available on our website at axt.com through November 22, 2020. Also before we begin, I want to note that shortly following the close of market today, we issued a press release announcing our strategic plan to access China's capital markets. This information is available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at axt.com. We'll begin now by turning the call over to Dr. Morris Young for his comments on the announcement, and then Gary will highlight the steps in the process as well as some of the key financial considerations before we open up the call to your questions. Morris?

Morris Young

executive
#3

Thank you, Leslie, and good afternoon, everybody. Today, we announced a strategic plan to access China's capital markets. This is an exciting step for AXT, and we would like to share with you the driving factors behind this decision; what the likely process will be to list our subsidiary, Beijing Tongmei Xtal Technology, or Tongmei, which is currently wholly owned by AXT on the STAR Market; and what a listing would mean for AXT and our investors. First, the decision. Last year, a new security market was formed in China called the STAR Market based in Shanghai. The STAR Market lists science and technology companies that combine innovation and growth. Significantly, the STAR Market will accept China legal entities, even if that entity is majority-owned by a foreign company. This is new. After the careful review and analysis, we concluded that a unique set of factors was converging that would make Tongmei attractive as a STAR Market-listed company. First, as many of you know, AXT has had a meaningful presence in China for more than 20 years. We founded Tongmei in 1998 to build a competitive cost structure for our business and be closer to our source of raw materials as well as to be closer to the many customers we serve in Asia. Shortly and thereafter, we founded BoYu, which manufactures high-temperature pBN crucibles and other products. And JinMei, which produces 7N purity gallium and other specialty materials. Together today, we have 3 state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities in China, in Beijing, in Beijing, in Dingxing and in Kazuo. And with BoYu and JinMei, we have close to 1,000 employees in China. The second factor we considered is that we have now successfully relocated our gallium arsenide manufacturing lines, and we are ramping our production. Third, there is a broad recognition and agreement that many emerging high-volume applications will require either gallium arsenide or indium phosphide substrate material. And finally, we realized that a strong manufacturing company like Tongmei, enhanced by merging BoYu and JinMei into it and having a history of transparency in terms of annual audits since the date of our own IPO, will likely to be received very well in the China public security market. We also realized that this strategic path held many benefit for AXT, and that this is the right time to begin working towards a STAR Market listing for Tongmei. Over the past 20 years, we've built up our reputation as a leading global supplier of indium phosphide, gallium arsenide and germanium substrates. Today, these materials are intersecting with what we believe to be some of the biggest, most influential technology trends of the next decade. That includes 5G telecommunications, data center connectivity, LED-based lighting and display and laser-based sensing. In addition, we believe new applications are emerging across our portfolio that will create exciting incremental opportunities in 2021 and beyond. These may include world-facing cameras, augmented virtual reality, automotive sensors, biosensors and micro LEDs and more. With so many game-changing applications in indium phosphide, gallium arsenide now emerging, Tier 1 interest and focus down to the substrate level is increasing. AXT is now engaged in multiple significant qualification efforts that can meaningfully impact our business in the coming years. Through these efforts, we have made a concerted investment of time and resources to elevate our business and manufacturing process to meet the rigorous demand or standard of some of the most prestigious companies in the world. Central to our work has been the continued ramp of our Kazuo and Dingxing facilities as well as our investment in bringing to market the larger diameter of indium phosphide and gallium arsenide substrates. In total, we believe we are positioning ourselves for revenue expansion and improving profitability in the year -- coming years. We believe our business model, including owning companies in China, is unique and that various elements of our model are coming together in a very positive way. This is why we believe that not only it is the right time to pursue a listing on the STAR Market for the benefit of our key stakeholders, we believe the combination of our exciting business opportunities with the completion of our new state-of-the-art facilities and successful customer qualifications make Tongmei an attractive listing on the STAR Market and its China-based investors. For AXT, the additional capital will allow us to further strengthen our financial structure, replenish a portion of the cost of building our new facilities and enhancing our overall positioning in Tier 1 customer opportunities. And please note that the fund for the relocation were U.S.-based generated, but there is now some synergy in replenishing with China-based funding. So in summary, for our current stockholders, gaining access to China capital market gives AXT an attractive balance sheet, favorable display and leverage of our consumable assets in China and is a great opportunity to attempt to achieve substantial benefit to our market value with very minimal dilution. With our customers, the additional capital will provide greater confidence in our ability to support at scale the strong and expected demand for our strategic compound semiconductor material. In addition, it confirms our commitment to these projects and signals our confidence in winning their business and delivering on their requirements. And for our employees, it creates excitement, pride and financial opportunity. Tongmei employees from time to time in the past have expressed an interest in going public, but there was no obvious path. The STAR Market now enables the path. This will strengthen retention and triple motivation and commitment to excellence. A slight look back over the last 3 years. AXT has come a long way. After navigating a difficult macroeconomic environment and executing a major relocation of our gallium arsenide manufacturing, we are poised to accelerate our growth. And the timing couldn't be better. Our readiness is aligning with our major technology trend across our portfolio and significant customer interest in our substrate. We believe the next several years will be exciting in our strategy plan, which include access to China's capital market, will allow us to maximize our business potential. I will now turn the call over to Gary Fischer for a review of the process investors can expect as well as the key financial considerations. Gary?

Gary Fischer

executive
#4

Thank you, Morris, and good afternoon, everybody. As Morris mentioned, this is a very exciting opportunity for AXT and Tongmei. It is worth noting upfront that the process of going public on the STAR Market in Shanghai includes several periods of review, and therefore, is a lengthy processes. We would not expect Tongmei to actually go public until mid-2022. I also want to note that the listing of shares of Tongmei on China STAR Market will not change the status of AXT, Inc. as a U.S. public company. We will remain a U.S. company, headquartered in Fremont, California. We will continue to be listed on the NASDAQ global select market under the symbol of AXTI. And yes, Leslie Green, Morris and I will continue to return your phone calls and meet you at conferences. As Morris mentioned, one change that investors may notice is that 2 of the raw material companies that make up part of the supply chain for AXT, that is BoYu and JinMei, will be merged into Tongmei and therefore, will be included in the offering. We are already consolidating BoYu and JinMei in terms of GAAP accounting. We believe this combination will better position Tongmei as a larger company and open doors for more market penetration. Reciprocally, investors in China will see an enhanced and expanded customer list and more product diversification. Now let's turn and take a look at the listing process. To qualify for a STAR Mrket listing, Tongmei is required to have multiple independent shareholders from China. The first major step in this process is engaging reputable private equity firms within China to invest funds in Tongmei. In exchange for an approximately 7.14% minority interest in Tongmei, private equity firms intend to invest approximately $50 million. Currently, we expect this in 2 steps or tranches. The first tranche investment documents have recently been signed and the process of transferring $22.5 million to Tongmei is underway. We currently expect that the funding will occur in late November, as in this month, or early December. The second tranche of approximately $26.5 million is expected to fund in January 2021. The second tranche invested documents have not yet been executed. It is important to note that I'm using U.S. dollars in this description but the actual transaction will be in Chinese currency, which is renminbi. So what are our other key steps involved in this listing process? One step is a detailed reputable audit firm. Even though Tongmei, BoYu and JinMei are separately audited annually because they're part of AXT's consolidated financial reporting, China rules require an audit on the front end of this process. Another key step or more actually a series of steps deal with the legal entity's forms and with merging BoYu and JinMei into Tongmei. Details, numbers and big concepts fascinate me, but some of you may not care too much about the details. So let me just give you one example. Tongmei's legal entity form, since we formed it in 1998, is an Ltd. But to actually issue stock, it needs to change to what you and I would view as an Inc., that is an Inc. or a corporation. We have engaged an international law firm that has operations in China and has already assisted another company through these steps. These reorganization steps will begin soon, and the goal, which we are advised is a reasonable goal, is to complete them before the end of Q1 2021. Only when these reorganization steps are completed can we submit a filing prospectus to the China equivalent of the SEC. In China, that agency is named China Securities Regulatory Commission. Currently, we plan to do the submission in June of 2021, and that agency takes 6 months before it issues comments and questions, which our lawyers and management would then respond to. This review process could likely spill into 2022. As such, it would be in 2022 that Tongmei would hope to do its initial public offering. In terms of business operations, the manufacturing model will see little or no impact. Morris has been Chairman of Tongmei since its formation in 1998, and will remain as Chairman through this process. Financial controls and audits currently in place will remain the same, and AXT, Inc. in the U.S. will be the majority shareholder. A significant factor of note and one of the reasons we wanted to describe the process is that the private equity investors have an unsecured right to request the redemption of their shares of Tongmei by AXT if we fail to accomplish the key steps, particularly, if Tongmei fails to actually go public by December 31, 2022. The redemption right is not secured and is an at-risk investment. Instead of the investment going directly into equity as paid-in capital, it goes to redeemable noncontrolling interest. It is not listed or added to liabilities, and it is displayed for GAAP purposes in between liabilities and equity. Because of the uniqueness of Tongmei and our long history of transparency, we do not expect to fail in this process, but it is a risk that we must manage and to which we must pay attention. We have been very well managing cash during the relocation, and we'll continue in this regard. And I would like to add that Tongmei, AXT and the private equity investors have shared interest and a common goal. We are all in this together. One other factor that is noteworthy is that the dilution of Tongmei is relatively low. AXT, Inc. will not give up control through dilution. The initial minority interest of Tongmei will be approximately 7.14%. For the IPO, we're only required to sell an additional 10% of Tongmei. As viewed within the context of the vision and scope described by Morris, dilution is about equal to what occurred in our 2017 secondary public offering but we expect to be raising much more capital. I did a quick calculation. In 2017, we raised approximately $34 million and dilution was approximately 16.1% of AXT. That equates to 0.47% dilution per each $1 million raised. I'm going to repeat that because it's a little technical but in 2017, we raised approximately $34 million and dilution was approximately 16.1% of AXT. That equates to 0.47% dilution per each $1 million raised. On this private equity run of Tongmei, Tongmei will raise approximately $50 million and dilution is expected to be 7.14% of Tongmei. That equates to 0.14% dilution per each $1 million raised. It's a very compelling contrast for those of us who make these kinds of calculations. And when I did it, I was kind of blown away by it. We cannot forecast a per each $1 million dilution rate for the IPO since we do not know the IPO market value. But you could make your own estimates. Okay. On that note, we will conclude our prepared comments. Morris and I will be glad to answer your questions. Operator, can we do the questions now?

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Gus Richard of Northland.

Auguste Richard

analyst
#6

A couple of quick ones. What's going to be the impact near-term on SG&A in terms of all the legal fees starting to get the process going?

Gary Fischer

executive
#7

Okay. I can answer that. The way that GAAP works is when you're incurring expense for raising capital, if you're successful at it, then it doesn't go through the P&L, it goes as a contra-account against the amount of equity that you raised. So this is standard operating procedure and -- so those expenses won't go through the P&L if we properly measure them and capture them. However, if ultimately we fail in the transaction, we don't raise private equity, then they would go to the P&L as expense.

Auguste Richard

analyst
#8

Got it. And then just -- so I'm clear on the structure, AXTI would own some percentage of Tongmei, right?

Morris Young

executive
#9

No. Actually, prior to this, we now own 100% of Tongmei. We own 63% of BoYu, and we own 82.5% -- or 81.5%...

Gary Fischer

executive
#10

91%.

Morris Young

executive
#11

91.5% of JinMei. That's the ownership presently. But -- yes.

Auguste Richard

analyst
#12

And when you roll all these things together, how much of the entity would you own before the transaction?

Gary Fischer

executive
#13

We would still own 100% of Tongmei, and then we'll do private equity?

Morris Young

executive
#14

Yes. But then the new Tongmei will have the BoYu and JinMei both into it, okay? And AXT will own part of it in shared ownership with BoYu's management and other shareholders as well as other 8.5% owned by JinMei. With the new cash infusion from private equity, then we will co-own the new Tongmei.

Auguste Richard

analyst
#15

Right. And that's the nature of my question, the new Tongmei, because you don't fully own BoYu and JinMei, when you roll them all up together, how much would you own and then I can figure the dilution from the equity investment?

Morris Young

executive
#16

Well, I'm not sure -- since it's not a change in ownership, we own 63% of BoYu now...

Auguste Richard

analyst
#17

All right. Let me try this one more. What is JinMei and BoYu worth today on a standalone?

Gary Fischer

executive
#18

How do we measure? I mean, I think book value-wise, JinMei -- I don't know that. We raised a private round of equity financing for BoYu approximately 3 years ago, and an investor from Germany put in $2 million to own 10% of the company. So I guess after cash in, it's worth $20 million. And JinMei, because we've never done any transaction, so I think the value of JinMei is just on the book, how much is its book value.

Auguste Richard

analyst
#19

$600,000, okay.

Morris Young

executive
#20

I guess so, but it has some retained earnings, I think. I don't...

Gary Fischer

executive
#21

Yes, I don't know the numbers, Gus. But conceptually, the minority shareholders of BoYu, you're correct, they will become a minority shareholder of Tongmei. And the minority shareholders of JinMei, which are basically management and employees of JinMei, will become minority shareholders of Tongmei. The majority shareholder will still be by significant differences and amounts, AXT, Inc.

Morris Young

executive
#22

And I think I remember I calculated, I think BoYu is minority shareholder on somewhere around 3%.

Gary Fischer

executive
#23

Yes. It's in the single-digit percentage. So the dominant value in the terms of the 3 companies being put together is Tongmei.

Morris Young

executive
#24

Is still Tongmei.

Gary Fischer

executive
#25

Yes. So...

Auguste Richard

analyst
#26

Okay. Okay. And then just so I'm clear, the structure will be AXTI will be effectively a holding company and Tongmei will be the primary asset plus the other JVs?

Gary Fischer

executive
#27

I wouldn't use that language because AXTI will -- may not be considered a holding company technically. It depends on where AXTI goes. So -- but I guess in a casual sense, it's similar to what we do now. AXT owns Tongmei. AXT, in Fremont, we have about 25 employees. Here in Tongmei, we have over 700. So the activities will stay the same. The business model will stay the same. So I guess you could say AXT, Inc. is currently a holding company and will stay a holding company. But technically, it's not, and we need to look into that still in terms of the technical stuff. So the management and the organization structure is not going to have much change. So Morris is Chairman of Tongmei, and he'll remain the Chairman of the Tongmei. So...

Operator

operator
#28

Our next question comes from Richard Shannon with Craig-Hallum.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#29

I guess one clarification for me. I was just quickly going through the SEC filings on this, it wasn't clear to me whether Tongmei includes all of your crystal growth and polishing and related operations or there's parts that are not included in this new entity here that's going to be on STAR's?

Morris Young

executive
#30

Yes, it includes -- it includes everything, crystal growth as well as polishing. Yes.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#31

Okay. All right. Second question is, I'm not all that familiar with the STAR listing process here, but why is there -- why are there 2 different tranches to this initial placement?

Morris Young

executive
#32

Well, the investment -- private equity investment into this newly formed joint venture, which is ready for IPO or applying IPO in China is going to happen in the next 18 months or so. Why is this private equity coming in 2 tranches? Because they come from 2 different organizations. Each one has its own legal papers to file and they want to negotiate the price. But basically, we're going to give them the same price, approximately the $50 million were equal to 7.14% of the equity ownership of the new Tongmei.

Gary Fischer

executive
#33

Yes, I can give you a little more color, too. So the first fund to come in wanted to sort of make a statement to the China private equity market and endorse the transaction. They wanted to come in aggressively and early. And we thought that was a good idea. So the second tranche just -- it has a few more players, and there's a few more bureaucratic steps within those private equity funds. So that's why it's 2 tranches. And there is a precedent for this. There's another company who did something similar to this, and they also did 2 tranches. So I think it's the nature of how fast private equity funds can respond. The one that's coming in now that we signed with last week is aggressive and moving very fast. So yes...

Morris Young

executive
#34

Yes. Also the other thing is we like to have a more diversified investor into this private equity round. So we don't want to sell everything to just one investor so we sort of separated into 2 tranches.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#35

Okay. Can you identify the entity, which you've already signed documents with?

Gary Fischer

executive
#36

No, we cannot.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#37

Okay. Will we be able to see the identity of that organization at some point?

Gary Fischer

executive
#38

Yes.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#39

When might that be?

Gary Fischer

executive
#40

I need to check with our lawyers about that.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#41

Okay. Fair enough. I think last question from the last topic here is the intention of raising $50 million between these private equity firms. What do you envision for use of cash? I mean we've talked about in your past calls here about your cash flows and investment in CapEx. Is this signaling a market increase in that rate? Or I guess, we've seen a much higher level of CapEx here in the last couple of years. Is that going to extend for a longer period of time? Or how do we think about what you're going to do with this cash?

Morris Young

executive
#42

Yes. No, I don't think -- I mean to answer your last question, I don't think the CapEx is expected to increase in any big way. I mean we already built infrastructure in 2 locations, and that's the majority of this money will be spent. Of course, if the demand goes up, we've got to -- putting more equipment to do more manufacturing or more wafers that we deliver, then revenue will come -- will go up, and then we will spend more money to buy more equipment. But that, I think, is a good thing. But again, I don't think the CapEx is going to be equivalent to what we have spent in the last 2, 3 years because most of those money are the big infrastructure build as well as land purchasing everything else. So why are we taking this money in? I believe there is a different valuation, as you can see, of AXTI's valuation in NASDAQ and the eventual expected valuation in the stock market, okay? We're talking to various investment bankers in China. The valuation is obviously expected to be much higher. So the private equity is wrong -- is the other way of enforcing or enhancing the value so that you don't go from the present AXT market cap of $300 million to the big value where we expect to go IPO. So this is a very healthy good increase of valuation. But I think eventually, we expect the value to be higher in the stock market.

Gary Fischer

executive
#43

Yes. Let me add a little color on that. I don't have a detailed CapEx plan yet for 2021. Normally, I'd be working on that right about now, frankly. But I've been working on this opportunity here for the STAR Market instead. And that's why Morris -- it's obvious now to you guys, but that's why Morris and I extended our trip to China because we've been working on this. So we've been -- I want to take the big picture with you to answer your question, Richard, is that there is a great convergence of things that we talked about and described and we've been studying this opportunity for a long time. This is not like a new thing for us. And it's the right time to address the STAR Market. It's not because our CapEx is going to go up next year. I'm virtually certain it will trend down. And what could drive it up in a few years is if high-volume occurs and we need more equipment. So -- but as Morris said, the infrastructure is in place, the wastewater treatment stuff, the electricity stuff, the square footage, the buildings, that's done. And if we need more equipment because of market demand, then we'll be equipped because we have put cash back in the bank. So the vision is to be strong and look strong to the customers so that they see that we're prepared to step up if they want high volume. And so that's sort of what's driving this. And then also for our employees. I mean it's going to be a great thrilling thing for our Tongmei employees for retention. As Morris said, it's going to triple or quadruple their motivation and their commitment to excellence. And it's -- right now, as we are looked at by these Tier 1 accounts, it's a way for us to take the company here up a level in terms of commitment to excellence. So there's a lot of big picture conceptual things is what I'm saying. And frankly, it's not that we think CapEx is going to go up next year. So we think we're going to go down.

Richard Shannon

analyst
#44

Okay. I appreciate all that thoughts. Let me put some numbers to paper here and get a sense of what I'm thinking here. So you're raising $50 million. And assuming you get the same valuation with the next 10%, you're going to be well above $100 million, $120 million, if my math is remotely correct. Plus the cash you have on your balance sheet between all of your entities here. The level of CapEx you've had in any 1 year has barely been over $10 million, $12 million as best I can recall and yet you'll have $150 million. It seems like you have more than enough cash here, what else could you be doing with this? Or I mean did you need to raise this much money?

Gary Fischer

executive
#45

Well, let me correct your figures. For example, we don't know what the value of the IPO will be. But if you look at other examples, I know there's not many. It's -- we would expect it to not be the same as the PE round, we would expect it to be higher. It's not appropriate for us to say how much higher, but it's something that -- there are some case studies out there you can look at. So -- and then we definitely could -- in terms of what I said previously, if the market demand escalates, let's take, for example, one that we all talked about, micro LED, that could use cash to add equipment. And part of the purpose here is to position ourselves so that a potential customer says, "Yes, they can do this."

Morris Young

executive
#46

So, Richard, let me also -- I agree. I mean we have been using cash sort of gingerly -- but the extra cash would definitely not go wasted. But I would say, if you ever see a huge market developing, we will position ourselves, for instance, for one thing, maybe enhancing our supply chain further. We will do some acquisitions in China. And so that there are more opportunities developing if we have more cash in the bank to do business development as well as supply chain enhancement and developing large market opportunities, et cetera. So -- but this is the first step. I mean we're thrilled that we'll be welcomed, and the investment bankers in China think that AXT's potential be listing on the STAR Market is a great opportunity. So we'll figure out how to develop our business accordingly.

Gary Fischer

executive
#47

Right. And I'll give you my saying, you can never have too much cash. So as a CFO, that's my view. So...

Operator

operator
#48

Our next question comes from Hamed Khorsand of BWS Financial.

Hamed Khorsand

analyst
#49

First off, could you just talk about where this cash will lie? Would you be able to bring it to the U.S.? Do you have attentions of bringing any of that to the U.S.?

Gary Fischer

executive
#50

Yes. It would be an arm's length transaction for certain things that we would do between AXT, Inc. and Tongmei, Inc., but the majority of the cash will stay here because, frankly, that's where we spend the cash even now. So yes, the strategy is not to sort of ship $50 million to the United States, but some portion of it, a small portion, will come back to the United States.

Hamed Khorsand

analyst
#51

Okay. And then the second question I had was, was there any particular customer that had asked you guys to raise more money to do business with you? Or has that been part of any of your negotiation process at all? Is there any potential large customers?

Morris Young

executive
#52

Well, there's a customer that we met with who basically made a statement about the 3, 5 industry, the materials industry, and said that the 3, 5 companies have been given a free pass by Tier 1 customers, and that we're not ready for the 21st century kind of thing. So there is a perception there that it was -- nothing was said about how much money AXT has, but there was something said about how we have to step up and do better. And then Hamed, if you look -- and let's take indium phosphide as an example, this is what I think it's important that we're doing this. But -- so our 2 major competitors, our materials divisions within large multi-billion-dollar companies in Japan, namely, Sumitomo and JX. So we have to -- it's in our interest and in our shareholders' interest that we look strong. And this is going to make a big difference. So -- but no, no customer has come and said, we're not going to do business with you if you don't raise money. But it's definitely going to help. And we have already had even just recently since we announced it, one customer gave feedback to our sales guy that they think it's a great idea. So...

Operator

operator
#53

Our next question comes from Quinn Bolton of Needham & Company.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#54

Morris and Gary, congratulations on the announcement this evening. First question, with the new entity in China, how much of AXT's GAAP revenue and expenses will flow through the new China subsidiary that will be listed on the STAR Market? Is that effectively 100%?

Gary Fischer

executive
#55

Over time, yes. Not at the get-go. But over time, it will be significant, almost all, yes. But even now, 70% of our revenue is in Asia, 30% of our revenue is in China already. So -- and this is all public information in our filings in the United States. So I mean, AXT, when they embarked to move in 1998 and form Tongmei, has been a very China-centric company. And we're taking advantage of that, and it's showing very well. We've built up -- we, I mean Morris, and I haven't been here that long, but it's a remarkable accomplishment. There's a lot of value here. And it's being recognized by the Chinese financial community.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#56

No, I understood the valuation here is significant. We're just trying to sort of put some numbers around it. If I look at AXT's market GAAP of $325 million or thereabouts, the private equity investment appears to have valued Tongmei at about $700 million. So already a significant premium to what the AXT stock is trading on NASDAQ. And I'm just wondering if only, say, 50% of revenue flows through Tongmei in the beginning, then the implied valuation of Tongmei sales is even higher still. So that's why I was asking how much of the revenue ultimately sort of will flow through Tongmei. It sounds like the majority and the further out in time, the vast majority of revenue will flow through Tongmei.

Morris Young

executive
#57

Yes. That's correct.

Gary Fischer

executive
#58

Correct.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#59

Got it. Got it. Second question is being familiar with the ACM Research transaction, I know the private equity investors in that China subsidiary had some guarantees on a minimum IPO price for the Shanghai subsidiary listed on STAR. Can you tell us, is there a minimum IPO valuation in those private equity investments? Or can you pursue that IPO at any valuation, even if it's lower than perhaps expected today?

Morris Young

executive
#60

No. In our agreement, there's no guaranteed minimum price. But I guess you're right. I mean the valuation right now is around $700 million. If it is lower than that, I guess, they want their money back -- they could ask for their money back. But then AXT will -- Tongmei will still have a very nice valuation. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#61

Right. Just wanted to ask, it sounds like there is no sort of minimum IPO valuation...

Gary Fischer

executive
#62

No. And I'm familiar -- you're right about ACM R. I'm familiar with that company and transaction. So ACM R -- our structure is similar in many ways. For example, the reorganization process step, the private equity steps, it's almost a mirror image. But there are some differences and you just pointed out one, we don't have an absolute value that has to be triggered. So, yes.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#63

But obviously, as you stated earlier in response to another question, the $700 million valuation of Tongmei, these folks aren't making the investment once they think the IPO is going to be valued at a much higher valuation than $700 million?

Morris Young

executive
#64

That's what we believe, yes. And we -- this is very friendly in terms of working together as a team. So the employees, Tongmei, AXT, Gary and Morris, and the private equity funds. We all have the same goal. And the way I would say it, it's my personal belief as a business person, is that a manufacturing company in China gets a little more valuation than it would in the United States. And also, the 10 raw material companies that's part of our supply chain is better understood in China than it is -- it's harder to explain to the NASDAQ investors. So there's a lot of value that we believe has been here, and now we're displaying it. And that's a big reason for the mark up in valuation between the 2 trading company -- trading markets, NASDAQ and STAR.

Nathaniel Bolton

analyst
#65

Right. And then last question, my understanding is the use of proceeds from money raised in the private equity and the STAR Market IPO, that can be used to fund working capital to invest in plants and additional factories. But I don't believe you can take money raised and, say, buy back stock on the NASDAQ. Just wondering if you could confirm that? And if that's the case, once you completed the offering, can profits generated on an annual basis at that point be used to buy back stock on the NASDAQ to potentially try to close the gap between the valuation that you expect on STAR and where AXT is trading on NASDAQ today?

Gary Fischer

executive
#66

We haven't discussed that, but I don't think so. Yes.

Morris Young

executive
#67

Well, I think there's one way. That is if this China company is extremely profitable, it can declare a dividend.

Gary Fischer

executive
#68

That's true.

Morris Young

executive
#69

And AXT being the -- more than 80% ownership of that company can then legally get all the money back and then you can buy back stocks on NASDAQ market. Yes.

Operator

operator
#70

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Dr. Morris Young for any closing remarks.

Morris Young

executive
#71

Thank you for participating in our conference call. As always, please feel free to contact me, Gary Fischer or Leslie Green directly if you would like to set up a call with us. We look forward to speaking with you in the near future.

Operator

operator
#72

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.

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