Ayvens (AYV) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 3, 2024

Euronext Paris FR Industrials Ground Transportation earnings 38 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning. This is the conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Ayvens First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. Today's speakers will be Mr. Tim Albertsen, CEO; and Mr. Patrick Sommelet, Deputy CEO and Group CFO of Events. [Operator Instructions] I now hand you over to Mr. Tim Albertsen. Please go ahead, sir.

Tim Albertsen

executive
#2

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this Ayvens Q1 2024 Results Conference Call. I'm hosting this call with Patrick Sommelet. And as always, we'll provide more details on our trading statement issued this morning. First, I will present the highlights of Q1, then Patrick will comment on our financial results. And then as always, we'll take your questions after that. Let's go straight to Slide 5. Even started 2024 on a positive note in several aspects, which I will comment on today. In a mixed economic environment where demand slowed, we recorded good Q1 2024 financial results and a clear upturn on the previous quarter despite the weakening of the electro vehicles used car markets. Our Q1 performance is promising. It reflects the solidity of our business model as well as our agility and our capacity to swiftly implement our strategic road map. You remember that our underlying margins had eroded last year. Q1, our margin stabilized at 522 bps of our earning assets, and we registered substantial synergies from the lease plan acquisition in our P&L. We recorded underlying used car sales results per unit at EUR 1,661 stable versus the previous quarter and still at a high level. This translated into our used car sales profit of EUR 95 million this quarter. Our net income group share reached EUR 188 million, and our return on tangible equity stood at 9.6%. Our capital position remains solid, with a core Tier 1 ratio at 12.3% as of March 31, 2024. We are well advanced in our funding program. We issued EUR 2.7 billion of bonds during Q1, which means we have already achieved around 2/3 of our annual program. We also further successfully diversified our investor base and currencies. Let's now move to Page 6 on the progress of the integration. We made tremendous progress in the integration in Q1, we reached a few key milestones which paved the way for value creation. First, we obtained the regulatory approval from the European Central Bank to proceed with the merger and streamlining of our operations. This approval allows us to start the merger of legal entities, and we are now implementing our target operating model locally and centrally. And we have launched the IT integration expected to stretch well into 2025. This enables us to efficiently execute our road map and generate our cost synergies. Our transformation is well underway. Our Ayvens brand continues to be deployed in our local markets, and we already relocated our offices in 5 countries. Another key achievement is the rollout of Avon's car market, which combines ALD and lease plan remarketing capabilities in a single state-of-the-art digital application. This remarketing platform is the most powerful platform targeting traders and car dealers in Europe. Ayvens car market is instrumental in optimizing and broadening our secondary market opportunities. Scale definitely matters in this field. The enhanced catalog underpinned by the most innovative functionalities, is one of the largest in euro. In Q1, we sold 93,000 cars to Ayvens car market, out of a total of 152,000 cars. This compares to a quarterly average of 60,000 last year. Ayvens car market definitely boosted our efficiency. The number of bids per vehicle increased by 31% in Q1 compared to the 2023 monthly average. And this helped us to optimize our resale prices. And thanks to the last geographical footprint, we exported 23,000 vehicles in Q1, thus balance the trends in each of our used car markets. Finally, we registered substantial synergies from the lease plan acquisition in our P&L. With our new scale, we buy more efficiently. Most of the EUR 20 million synergies materializing in Q1 income statement came from procurement, but other synergy streams, such as insurance, also contributed, showcasing the power of our scale. We are on track to achieve the EUR 120 million of pretax P&L synergies over the full year. In March 24, Ayvens and Silence signed a framework agreement for the provision of up to 500,000 vehicles across Europe over a 3-year period. This is an unprecedented agreement in our industry. And thanks to this flexible agreement with one of the world's leading automakers, we ensure our competitive pricing for our clients, we enhance our capacity to leverage on our new scale and buying power to achieve better value for and synergies for all our stakeholders. Let's have a look at our activity on Page 7. Our earning assets increased by a dynamic 12.5% year-on-year on a like-for-like basis to EUR 52.7 billion. The growth pace slightly decelerated compared to last quarter, which was at 14.2%. It reflects our strategy to allocate resources to sustainable and long-term profitability contracts rather than volume. I would like to highlight that this is fully in line with our financial trajectory to 26%. Our total fleet increased by 1.1% year-on-year on a like-for-like basis. In Fleet Management, the number of contracts was down by 3.4% compared to March 23. This decrease results in the decision not to renew some contracts which did not meet our profitability criteria. Conversely, the funded fee continued to grow at 2.4% and on a year-on-year basis. We achieved an EV penetration of 36% in Q1, stable versus the full year '23. And battery EV penetration was 22% and plug-in hybrids, a penetration of 14%. Let me now hand over to Patrick, who will take you through our financial results.

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#3

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I will start with an overview of our Q1 24 results on Page 9. So in the mixed economic environment still, Event recorded a clear turn in the previous quarter, driven by the stabilization of our underlying margins and higher used car sales result contribution. And on top of that nonrecurring items were more limited this quarter than the quarter before. LeasePlan was consolidated since 22nd of May 23, so was not contributed in Q1 '23, but not directly comparable. We present on this page a sequential view of our quarterly results. These figures are reported figures with the impact of PPA attributed to each quarter since acquisition closing instead of Q4 '23 only. Our revenues, gross operating income stood at EUR 82 million in Q1 '24, it is up by 9.6% compared to Q1 '23 and 32.2% compared to Q4 '23. The short turnaround compared to Q4 can be seen in both our margins and our Cardon. The margin right is achieved, thanks to the stabilization of our underlying margins and the materialization in our P&L of our first synergy with lease plan. In this quarter, we had a limited impact from nonrecurring items contrary to previous quarters. The contribution of UCS results was EUR 95 million in Q1 '24. It's lower than Q1 '23, which was exceptionally high, but higher than in Q4 '24, I explain why in a couple of minutes. Operating expenses reduced compared to Q4 '23, which is mostly explained by lower cost to achieve, they stand at EUR 49 million. Adjusted for UCS, nonrecurring item and PPA, our cost-to-income ratio slightly improved quarter-on-quarter to 67.7%. Our cost of risk remained benign at 25 basis points. And as a result, our net income group share stood at EUR 288 million, down 40% compared to Q1 '23, which was a very high base, but sharply up versus Q4 '23, which was at EUR 28.2 million. On Page 10, let me give you more detail on the stabilization of underearning margin. Our leasing and service margin stood at EUR 77 million in Q1 '24. It is up 30% compared to Q1 '23, as this plant was not consolidated in Q1 last year. Our margins are also up by 16% compared to Q4 '23, which included Lisa. Underlying margin, meaning margin, excluding nonrecurring items and impact of PPA progressed by 3.7% versus Q4 '23 and express as a percentage of average earning assets, our underlying margin stabilized at 522 basis points versus 515 in Q4 '24. As Tim mentioned, we recorded EUR 20 million synergies, mostly from procurement and insurance. The impact of nonrecurring items and PPA was limited and is shown on the slide, it's certainly lower than previous quarter, standing at EUR 24 million versus EUR 194 million in Q1, '23 and minus 50 in Q4 '23. This is mainly because we had a limited amount of fleet rebate reduction in depreciation cost this quarter in a normalizing used car market. It stands at plus EUR 17 million compared to plus EUR 174 million in Q1 '23 and plus 17% in Q4 '23, mark-to-market of derivatives, which had significantly impacted our margin in Q3 and Q4 was limited in Q1 '24 at EUR 10 million. Interest rate movements were less brutal than those previous quarters. And as we had indicated, our actions to reduce the sensitivity of our hedging portfolio, both fruit. If we now turn to Page 11 on UCS. You see that we reported EUR 95 million U.K. profit in our revenues, the contribution post accounting impacts on 150,000 cars sold. I remind that the used car market in Q1 23 was exceptionally favorable. The situation in Q1 '24 was stable versus Q4 '23. And as you can see from the graph in the middle, the used car market is normalizing from its peak, and the normalization is going on. Excluding the impact of previous reduction in depreciation costs and PPA, UCS profit was EUR 661 per unit in Q1 24 versus EUR 3102 in Q1 '23. Quarter-on-quarter, the results per unit is almost stable, as you can see from the line in yellow. On a reported basis, the results per unit is sharply improving from minus 24 units in Q4 '23 to positive 626 in Q1 '24. The evolution is mainly explained by the impact of previous reduction in depreciation cost, which was minus EUR 191 million in Q4 '23 compared to minus 90 million in Q1 '24. We will now comment on the next page on operating expenses, which are down quarter-on-quarter by minus 5.6%. So the evolution is explained by lower nonrecurring item in Q1 24, EUR 27 million versus EUR 66 million in '23 that's due to the decline in cost to achieve from EUR 45 million to EUR 26 million, while rebranding costs and transaction were almost -- were down by almost EUR 20 million quarter-on-quarter. As I mentioned, cost to income, excluding nonrecurring items, slightly improved from 68.4% to 67.7% in Q1 '24. With no comment on net income and the cost of risk on the next page. So cost of risk is up to EUR 43 million. So it's an increase of EUR 9 million compared to Q4 '23. It is mainly explained by the alignment of this plant to ALD provisioning methodology, expressed as a percentage of average owning assets at cost of risk remained benign at 25 basis points. effective rate -- effective tax rate is standing at 31.3% on the quarter. It's mainly the -- maybe above average level is mainly explained by nondeductible expenses related to hyperinflation accounting in our subsidiaries in Turkey. Net income group share reached EUR 180 million in Q1 '24, a short round versus Q4 '23, thanks to, as we said, stabilization of margin, materialization of our first synergy in our P&L with Fiesta and the more impact of nonrecurring items in our UCS profit. On the next slide, you see the evolution of risk-weighted assets. So the increase from EUR 57.4 billion to EUR 59 billion in the first quarter. So it's a combined impact of EUR 1 billion, which is related to fee growth, minus EUR 0.4 million, which is related to the reduction in order book. There was the annual update in operational risk computation in the life plan perimeter, which is explaining 0.4. And there's 0.6 million, which is a mix, EUR 0.6 billion impact, which is a mix of both market risk impact related to the equity in our non-euro subsidiaries, mainly the impact in the U.K., but also in Denmark with a capital increase in this country. And also the increase of cash balance, having done a significant part of our cash debt issuance, we have a comfortable cash balance for the rest of the year. As a result, CET1 ratio is standing at 12.3% at the end of March 24, it was 12.5% at the end of December. And our strong capital ratio is around 210 basis points above the rotary requirements. This concludes our presentation. Thank you for listening, and we are now ready to take any questions you may have.

Operator

operator
#4

This is the conference operator. We will now begin the session telephone to remove yourself ever when asking questions at this time. The first question is from Geoffroy Michalet with BHF. The next question is from Sanjay Bhagwani with Citi.

Sanjay Bhagwani

analyst
#5

I have got 3 questions. My first one is on the underlying margins, excluding UCS results. So thinking of this line item going forward for the rest of the year, how should we think of this, excluding any synergies given that if I recollect correctly, you have been renegotiating some of the contracts to reprice it for higher interest rates and higher inflation. So is it fair to assume that this is now what we have in quarter 1 is the low point and it sees a progressive improvement going into the rest of the year? That is my perception. And I'll just follow up with the next one, if that is okay.

Tim Albertsen

executive
#6

Well, thank you Sanjay. Well, to a question on margins. And so I think what is important to state is that there has been a lot of work done to reset the margin on the business side. So basically, running through our customer portfolio and partner portfolio and ensuring that we basically, let's say, serve the right clients and at the right price. So part of that is definitely sustainable. And anticipate it to continue, of course, going forward, and we are not finished. We continue actually that work. We think there is more to do and more to be done. But of course, there's a few items and maybe Patrick, you can give a few items that could still introduce a bit of volatility on the margin side.

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#7

Yes. So as you said, there has been a very intense work over the past 3 quarters to look at margin in details and to see whether the impact of the new economic environment was appropriately taken into account in our margin. So it's fair to say that this is having the first fruit. We intend to indeed stabilize the margin and probably have action thereafter to expand them. So there can still be an impact of nonrecurring items related to the mark-to-market of the swaps. Even if we have decreased the volatility and as you can see, the volatility is included in our appendices, it has decreased depending on the level of interest rates. You can have a bit of volatility. And on the underlying, I would say the stabilization is more taking place currently on the leasing margin. The service margin is still impacted by high inflation. As you know, inflation is slowing down now main street inflation, but auto component inflation remains relatively high. We believe that this will progressively run down for the year, but this remains to be confirmed in the next month as the economic environment becomes more stable probably.

Sanjay Bhagwani

analyst
#8

That is very, very helpful. And second one on the follow-up to that is that now that you are on the top line side, you are prioritizing the customers which are more profitable, as you can see already in the services or the fleet mania number of contracts. So are you thinking of any actions to move towards the cost side of the equation as well in terms of optimizing the cost structure further, keeping in mind that new customer mix in mind? That's my second question.

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#9

Yes. I think, Sandy, I mean, we have also -- we have taken quite a strong, ambitious target for '24. As you know, on the cost line. We anticipate to bring the cost down compared to excluding the cost to achieve. And of course, we are taking actions there. And as you can see from the first quarter, we see also the first fruit of that. It's not fully implemented yet. But clearly, the redressing of the business also includes, of course, the cost to serve and the cost to serve the different segments. Now we do anticipate that we will eventually start seeing growth again probably from next year to a more large extent. But where we think the growth should be, which is, let's say, targeting right segments, customers, partners and so forth. But obviously, I think we have taken a strong, ambitious target for '24, which is being implemented as we speak on the cost side as well.

Sanjay Bhagwani

analyst
#10

That is very helpful. So if the target for the full year if you have the lower operating cost underlying basis versus the previous year...

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#11

But for the full year... For the full year, we have given a cost income target, which we confirm, which is 65% to 67%, excluding CTA.

Sanjay Bhagwani

analyst
#12

That's very helpful. And just a final one on the tax rate. So Q1 '19 mentioned there are some nondeductible debt expenses, which spike the effective tax rate in Q1. How should we think of this tax rate for the rest of the year, please?

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#13

Well, as you know, this quarter, it has been impacted by a very specific hyperinflation accounting in Turkey. So it's really difficult to be very specific on that as a prediction. We intend that it should remain approximately around the same level, again, depending on the evolution of main street inflation and car index inflation in Turkey. Which are volatile items by nature.

Sanjay Bhagwani

analyst
#14

So basically activate more towards for the full year, more towards still between 30%, 70%, 29% or it could be higher?

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#15

Well, I think it's not a big difference. -- on the same level than currently, and I think it's a good estimate.

Operator

operator
#16

The next question is from Kirishanthan Vijayarajah with HSBC.

Kirishanthan Vijayarajah

analyst
#17

Yes. A couple of questions. Firstly, just coming back to the core margin dynamics and this time, looking a bit further out. So how quickly do you think you can recapture the kind of 600 basis points that ALD on a stand-alone basis kind of regularly kind of achieved before COVID? Is it feasible for maybe at some point in 2025, we can get back to the 600 basis points? Or is it kind of more sort of long drawn out process. And then secondly, could you just comment on the informal contract extension? Because I know that had been a negative factor on the margin. Is that still a drag for you? And could that drag fade a bit more in the coming quarters as the delivery backlog to clear away and also the -- obviously, the contract extensions also feed through into the informal side of things as well. So just the state of play on the informal contract extensions and what impact that's having on your core margin, please?

Tim Albertsen

executive
#18

Thank you, Kiri. I think on the margin base trending towards 600 bps, I think, to be honest, I think the industry has been impacted quite dramatically over the last couple of years. And probably we have taken a lot of actions right now to some extent, separately for the rest of the industry in terms of pricing and residual values. And clearly, we want to remain competitive in the market. So we do not necessarily anticipate the 600 mark anytime soon. And I think we probably have to realize that the margin overall will be trending a bit below what we have seen in the past globally, which means it comes more down from our cost income levels and our cost efficiency over the longer term at the end of the day because competition is fierce, and we anticipate competition to increase over the years as well. We see new players coming in, and that's basically based on the fact that, first of all, we are a very profitable industry. Secondly, we are a growing business. As we have said many times, we are going for kind of a niche product to become more mainstream. So obviously, we will probably see more competition in the years to come. So we do not necessarily believe that we will get back to that level. And hence, it will really be around our cost efficiency, which we believe will be extremely helped by the merger between ALD and Resin over time. On the contract extensions, it's an ongoing exercise. We are doing good grounds. And I think that's part of the stabilization of the markets you have seen. But every month, there's a new set of informed extensions that have to be addressed, and that's what we are doing. But we are definitely decreasing the number overall and keep a close eye on that. As long as the interest rate remains high, inflation remains high, is clearly a practice that needs to be followed very closely, and that's what we're doing.

Operator

operator
#19

The next question is from Matthew Clark with Medio banca. A few handholding questions, please.

Jonathan Matthew Clark

analyst
#20

So firstly, on the cost of risk alignment, should I read that as a one-off kind of lumpy increase in cost of risk this quarter? Or is that alignment meaning that it will run at this higher rate going forward because of a different way and how cost of risk is assessed on an ongoing basis for you versus historically at least plan? Secondly, in terms of battery electric vehicle losses in the UCS result being outweighed by ICE gains, I mean, clearly, they were this quarter. Do you remain confident that that's going to be the case going forward? Maybe just an update on how the year is playing out for BEV versus your kind of depreciation assumptions? And then finally, I don't see reiterating the 2026 13% to 15% Rote target anywhere today. Could you just confirm that, that still stands?

Tim Albertsen

executive
#21

Thanks, Matthew. I think I'll start with your second question, then Patrick will answer your question on cost of risk and our objective for ROTE. So I think clearly, the battery electric vehicles is not performing well, to be very honest, for the time being. But as you rightfully said, it's outweighed by the very strong performance of ice cars in almost all markets. And of course, it's also quite important to distinguish between webs, full bets and the plug-in hybrids. And we have around 10% bets and 10% plug-in hybrids in our fleet today. We do not necessarily anticipate a lot of improvement on the BEPS for '24, except that we probably have had a bad mix, to be honest, in Q1. But overall, we anticipate it to be quite a weak market in '24. But all of it well contained by our ice cars for 24 for sure. And we have taken actions quite significantly on repricing beds going forward. So we believe that we have the right residuals for all the new bets coming on to the books. It's something we follow very closely. We have a specific team work on that. Basically, every month, we have a view on that, and we will be taking corrective actions, if needed, very quickly on that particular market. So we could say we have what we believe a well-contained challenge in our existing fleet. And for the future, we do believe we are pricing at the right levels for the time being. Over to you, Patrick, on the others.

Patrick Sommelet

executive
#22

Yes. Thank you, Matthew. So cost of risk is something that will have an impact on the rest of the year. It's representing approximately half of the increase in Q1. So it's here to stay, albeit cost of risk remains overall at a relatively benign even if you look at it on a long-term basis and ROTE target in 26 are confirmed in the India.

Operator

operator
#23

The next question is from Geoffroy Michalet with ODDO BHF.

Geoffroy Michalet

analyst
#24

Sorry for the technical issue at the beginning of the call. Just 2 additional questions for me. First one, when you said that you believe that the 600 bps margin belongs to the past. Could you help us maybe to be -- to bring a bit more clarity on what are your long-term assumptions for the margin? Is it 580, 550 that we should target in the future? That was the first question. And the second question has to do, again, on the EV and MAPFRE the BEV residual value risk that you foresee in total on your book. We understand that part of it will be exited in 2024. Could you help us to quantify the potential negative impact that we can foresee for this year and next year?

Tim Albertsen

executive
#25

Thank you, Geoffroy. Maybe again, I can take the last question on the bar first and then Sean give you some input on the guidance for the margins going forward. As we said, today, beds are clearly not performing well in the used car markets. So -- but we know that now but we are quite confident that the ice car markets remain strong throughout '24 and will contain the potential losses we have on the EVs by far. And of course, we are taking a lot of actions, not just on the new contracts, but also on the existing contracts in terms of prolonging contracts in terms of second live lease. So in many markets now, we try to -- if they are performing particularly bad, we try to bring them to a second life or third life in our fleet, which is successful in quite a few markets today. So we don't give details on this. But overall, as you have seen from Q1 where we have been selling quite a number of beds in many markets that we are still stable on the used car sales prices. And we do not necessarily expect a particular bad impact further out in '24 on that part. Maybe on the margin... Yes, on the margin. So the lowering on the margin that we have seen at the end of '23 is related to a mix of impact. First of all, it's useful to mention that, first of all, the price of car we buy and we finance has increased and that's related to the transition to electric vehicles, which are on average more expensive than Iscor. Now that bet prices are coming down, this should help in the coming quarters and years, having a better margin. And the question is to which speed and to which extent this decrease will take place, which will also impact our UCS results, as you can understand. And the second impact was on interest rates and inflation. I said for inflation, it's still -- the repricing is still in progress. So we expect it if things are stable from a inflation interest rate perspective are stabilized to mid-high levels, such as the one they have currently. We expect margin to recover as well from this front. Now it is still -- it is a more and more competitive market for us. So we do not expect those margins to come back to pre-COVID level, I would say. If you believe that pre-COVID level were around 5.8%. That is not in our plan to store margin to those high level, we would expect that we would, and it is not a firm guidance because it's depending on the number of parameters. And at some point, we might also get back to a more aggressive growth again, I would say, medium term. So certainly, having margin higher than 5.3% in the range of 5.3% to 5.5% would be for us a good target for coming years.

Operator

operator
#26

[Operator Instructions] Mr. Albert and gentlemen, there are no more questions registered at this time. The floor is back to you for any closing remarks.

Tim Albertsen

executive
#27

Well, thank you, and thank you all for your attention and your questions. And as always, our Investor Relations team is ready to answer any further questions you might have. So please don't hesitate to take contact to them. Thank you for your attention, and have a very good day. Goodbye. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

operator
#28

Ladies and gentlemen you may disconnect your telephones. Thank you.

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