Ballard Power Systems Inc. (BLDP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 13, 2023

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Industrials Electrical Equipment investor_day 164 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Kate Charlton

executive
#1

Good morning, and welcome to Ballard's 2023 Capital Markets Day. I'm Kate Charlton, Vice President of Corporate Finance and Strategy. And I'm thrilled to have you join us for today's event. I'd like to acknowledge we are holding this event here in Ballard's office in Burnaby, British Columbia, which is on the ancestral and unceded homelands of the [ Squamish ] and Halkomelem Peoples. Throughout this presentation, we will be making forward-looking statements that are based on management's current expectations, beliefs and assumptions concerning future events. Actual results could be materially different. Please refer to our most recent annual information form and other public filings for our complete disclaimer and related information. Before we begin, I'll run through an agenda for the day. Over the next approximately 90 minutes, our leadership team will be providing a comprehensive review of our business, including an update on our corporate performance and milestones, a walk-through of Ballard's exciting commercial developments and outlook. A presentation of our in-house total cost of use modeling and competitive conclusions, a discussion on our corporate and -- corporate product and technology achievements and road map, an outline of our global manufacturing plans, a review of organizational growth and ESG commitments. And finally, a walk-through of our financial outlook and targets. Following prepared remarks, we will open it up to an hour-long Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] I'd like to now hand it over to Randy MacEwen, Ballard's President and CEO.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#2

Thank you, Kate, and good morning. We -- first of all, I wanted to extend a personal thank you and recognize those particularly attending in person here today, the covering analysts and those joining virtually online. We have, I think, a very exciting day outlined for you, as Kate just profiled. And for me, the opportunity for you, not just to hear what we're doing, but to hear it from the Ballard leadership team. And the Ballard leadership team inspires me every day with their commitment to Ballard's vision to deliver fuel cell power for sustainable planet and their dedication to Ballard's cultural values. Now I want to share with you 2 important corporate milestones. So last week, we celebrated two 30-year anniversaries. First, June 8, 1993, Ballard rolled out the world's first fuel cell bus. And this was really Geoffrey Ballard's vision. The hydrogen economy of decarbonizing energy industry and mobility applications, including fuel cell buses, crystallize in the world's first fuel cell bus. And this has been an enduring vision. I think we're much closer, much closer today to realizing this vision. Secondly, also 30 years ago, we celebrated our 30th anniversary last week for the listing of our stock -- on our shares on the Toronto Stock Exchange. So an important corporate milestone. Now I want to share with you and spend a bit of time talking about Ballard's business model and our strategy. We are developing fuel cell engines and manufacturing these engines for a variety of market applications and geographic regions. We design and manufacture the entire fuel cell engine, including the control or software strategy and inside that engine, we have core fuel cell stack technology, which is comprised of bipolar plates and membrane electrode assemblies. We also have inside of a fuel cell engine balance-of-plant components that we specify and procure from third parties. This vertical integration is critically important because we understand that the material science levels of membranes, catalysts, gas diffusion layers, ionomers, and key balance-of-plant components, what the implications are for performance in the field. Secondly, by having this vertical integrated model, we are compressing costs along the value chain, so compressing and eliminating margin stacking. Now we offer this fuel cell talk technology importantly and leverage across multiple market applications, 6 verticals, bus, truck, rail and marine, the 4 medium- and heavy-duty motive markets plus the off-road markets, including heavy-duty mine hauls and select stationary power markets. Now this sounds like a lot of work to address many market applications, but there's significant leverage embedded in our business model by offering the same core competencies, the same technology and a substantive part of the bill of materials for different products across these different verticals. We also offer our products in 3 different key geographic markets. So North America, Europe and China. I think it's important to understand, too, we focus on the geographic markets where the policy landscape and the market adoption signals are strongest. And we're focusing on these applications where the fuel cell value proposition is strongest as well. So where you have heavy vehicles, long-range requirements, high daily utilization, a need for fast refueling. These are the market applications where we see fuel cells expressing their strength most strongly. These are also applications and geographic markets that are investing in hydrogen refueling infrastructure. So where do you have the opportunity for centralized depot refueling rather than a need for distributed refueling architecture? So this is an ability to attract the markets with the highest value proposition for fuel cells and the lowest barrier to entry on the refueling side. Now as we look out to 2030 and even beyond, what we see is a very resilient, robust business model, where we're selling this technology and products across these multiple verticals, across these geographic regions and with the diversification of customers. So a lot of resiliency and diversification in our business model as we move forward. Now the last Capital Markets Day was in September 2020. And much has happened since then, and we want to share with the significant progress that we've made since that time. There were 5 key priorities we had highlighted. First, executing and expanding on our partnerships and customer relationships. And you're going to hear from Dave Mucciacciaro, our Chief Commercial Officer today, on the impressive progress we've made with existing customers, moving them from demonstration projects or even development work demonstration projects and in some cases, through to deployments as well as attracting new customers, what we call platform wins. This is a critically important concept for us. We've secured platform wins across our different verticals, particularly bus, truck, rail and marine, where customers have designed their vehicles with Ballard fuel cell technology in mind. We believe this offers us a lot of stickiness with these customers as we move forward. Secondly, developing new stacks and modules, so next-generation investments. And so today, unlike any other company in the world, we have our 13th generation of fuel cell stack, and we're in the process of deploying our 10th generation of fuel cell module in 2023. This is a significant achievement for Ballard and just reflective of the investment we've been making in our technology and product road map. And you'll hear more about that today from Dr. Colbow and Dr. Gradu, both on the stacks and module front. Associated with that is a significant corporate investment in product cost reduction. We often joke here that the 2 key priorities are cost reduction, cost reduction, we would also highlight, of course, the importance of growing the order book. But these are really important deliverables for us. This has been a heavy emphasis on product cost reduction. They haven't translated yet to our cost structure but they are coming into production in the very near term. And a lot of work done on our 3 x 3 stock cost reduction program we profiled back in 2020, and you'll hear an update on that today as well as exciting progress we're making on module cost reduction as well. We have been investing in advanced manufacturing processes, literally looking at all of the process steps for MEAs, for bipolar plates, for modules. How can we lean those processes out, introduce new equipment, new automation, and you'll hear more about that today, and you saw our press release on the manufacturing initiatives, including scaling and advanced manufacturing implementation for our bipolar plates that went out on Monday of this week. And finally, we talked about improving our financial performance, which, candidly, we have not been successful at achieving over the last few years. And I think a key factor here has been the deferred or delayed demand that we expected to see in China and with a complicated policy dynamic and with COVID really, I would say, hindering the ability of local governments to fund the deployment of vehicles. This has been a challenge in the China market. And we've also increased our investment as compared to plan in 2020, based on the growth of the, I'll say, constructive policy environment as well as an increase in competitive dynamics during this time period. Now on the discussion point of constructive policy, we have seen a sea change literally since September of 2020. And if you think about the changes over the last 16 months, since Putin's invasion of Ukraine, we have seen really energy security come to the forefront, a reshuffling of priorities effectively with energy security now at the top of the list and the climate crisis as a very close second. And this is translating to policies that are favoring decarbonization and energy security and policies that support hydrogen. So we now have 30 countries and 23 more on the way with clear hydrogen strategies and hydrogen road maps. This is a significant indicator of the unified opinion globally now that hydro will play a key role in decarbonizing energy, industry and mobility and over $100 billion of committed funding for these plants. We are seeing targets now of over 160 gigawatts of electrolyzer and green hydrogen production by 2030. I think that number is going to increase significantly over the next number of years and that target will be revisited annually for 2030. And importantly, I think a significant change in the landscape on the availability of low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen. We're seeing now over $320 billion of funding announced for projects. And now many of them are at different stages of the project development, and we're seeing some migration with a significant emphasis, particularly in the U.S. market, as we'll comment on a minute as well as in Europe. I do want to highlight as well, there's been a step change in the implementation and rollout of hydrogen refueling infrastructure. Some of you joining us here today may have seen a number of fuel cell cars out front of Ballard. We have only 3 fuel stations here, but there are now 1,000 globally. And we're expecting to see a significant rollout of hydrogen refueling infrastructure, including for the commercial vehicle market between now and 2030. Now just where is the current state of the hydrogen fuel cell industry? I just commented on the constructive policy environment. I want to add a few more important points. I think over the last number of years, there's been a consensus view, moving towards, I think, the thought leadership that Ballard has had on this, that the heavy-duty motive applications are the mobility applications of choice for fuel cell technology. I would say there's a consensus view on that today. Secondly, I would say there's a growing conviction around the opportunity set, particularly based on real deployment of fuel cells. So we've talked previously 10 years ago, 15 years ago about whether fuel cell technology has been validated. It's validated today. Today, there are 80,000 fuel cell vehicles, passenger cars, buses, commercial trucks in operation, another 50,000 to 60,000 fuel cell-powered -- hydrogen powered fuel cell forklifts. And so we are at a TRL level, technology readiness level that indicates it's now about scaling and cost reduction, not about validation. And I want to really highlight something and you'll hear this from David Mucciacciaro, our Chief Commercial Officer. There is significant interest from end customers on finding zero-emission heavy-duty mobility opportunities. There's been a delay in my opinion, on a number of vehicle OEMs, but that ESG pressure from the end users is, I think, tangible, and we're now seeing OEMs really pick up and kick into another gear in terms of exploring and starting to develop solutions with fuel cell technology in mind. Now I want to profile each of the U.S., European theater and China. The U.S. market really has seen a sea change over the last 12, 24 months, with the BIL really supporting hydrogen hubs and a build-out of refueling infrastructure as well as support for manufacturing of fuel cell and electrolyzer technologies in the U.S. And I think we're going to see significant announcements on this front in 2023. We also, of course, have the landscape change with the implementation of the IRA, Inflation Reduction Act. Now with USD 3 per kilogram of hydrogen for green hydrogen, this is going to really change the economics and the value proposition for all hydrogen applications and particularly for the heavy-duty motive opportunities where fuel represents a significant portion of the economics, typically 60% to 70% of the economics. And you'll hear more about our total cost of ownership model later today. And I'd also profile California as really leading the way from a state perspective with policies around banning diesel engines, passenger cars, more importantly, buses and heavy trucks. And we're seeing other states adopt this. And we're going to see 2024, 2025 time frame where the requirements for zero-emission, not low emission but zero-emission start to kick in and really scale up between that time frame in 2030 and 2035, where we expect all new buses, city buses, all new haul trucks to effectively be zero-emission on that timetable. So very exciting changes in the U.S. And I would say the whole hydrogen fuel cell industry has shifted focus to the U.S. over the last 12 months. Now over the last 16 months, energy security has been, I'd say, heightened nowhere perhaps more important than in Europe. And we are seeing, I would say, changes driven by energy security but also a very acute sense of addressing climate change in Europe. The REPowerEU, which is a very significant focus on renewables coming online and removing barriers to the accelerated adoption of renewables as well as specific policies for the adoption of hydrogen in Europe. This is very exciting. We pair up that, I would say, with the recent definition of green hydrogen in Europe, the world's first definition of green hydrogen. I think this paves the way for clarity for funders and project developers to make sure they're going to have the type of support, the policy support, subsidy support they expect at the end of a project. And importantly, the AFIR, which has recently been announced, which is basically the world's first announced rollout of hydrogen refueling stations for commercial trucks. This is on corridors. We're expecting to have heavy trucks transporting. There's been a report published that estimates the AFIR effectively meaning 650 hydrogen refueling stations in Europe by 2030. Now I just came off a 3-week trip, 2 weeks in China and a week in Japan, including attending the Hydrogen Council meeting. I have to share with you there is a significant intensity in China right now on hydrogen refuel cells. It's difficult to express that intensity without actually being there. But what I heard from meeting with the CEOs of the largest renewable energy companies, the largest players in the fuel cell industry, the largest mobility players, policymakers, is there is massive investment occurring in renewables in China. There is a massive investment occurring in electrolyzers, by some counts between 100 and 200 electrolyzer companies now in China. And there is a significant scale-up multiple gigawatts in the next 2 or 3 years in production capacity. But we're going to see a step change in production capacity of electrolyzers and fuel cell technology in the China market. What I also saw was a very active supply chain across MEA supply materials, membranes, gas to fusion layers, catalysts as well as balance-of-plant components, compressors, pumps, hydro recirculation blowers, sensors, valves. There's a lot of work going on in China supply chain. And China has the most aggressive targets for the adoption of fuel cell vehicles with 1 million fuel cell buses and trucks by 2030 and 1,000 hydrogen refueling stations by 2030. I believe we'll see 1,000 hydrogen refueling stations in China by 2025. And just in my meetings with Sinopec, they're planning between 600 to 1,000 independently by 2025. So there's massive investment going on in the China market. It's been a very challenging market over the last number of years with policy that is -- lacks clarity, lacks certainty and frankly, isn't as strong from an economic value proposition as we'd like. But I expect to see more activity in the China market to address some of the policy challenges to put China back on track with high growth between 2025 and 2030. So kind of where is Ballard going and what to expect. There are 2 key messages that I want you to take away from today. One is the growing customer interest, translating to sales pipeline, translating to order book. This is very important, and this is a pivot away from a business that was a split historically between Technology Solutions and Power Products, more to a Power Products business. This is exactly the type of business we had envisioned as we set out our strategy about 8 years ago. You're going to see significant customer scaling occurring as well in the development, demonstration and now deployments. And the second key message beyond the customer uptake and order is really around cost reduction. And I think you're going to see that pasted throughout today's discussion. So with that, I want to pass it over to David Mucciacciaro, our Chief Commercial Officer, who's going to provide an update on the, I think, impressive progress we've been making with our customers and the markets. Dave?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#3

Yes. Thank you, Randy, and welcome, everyone, to Ballard's Capital Market Day today in person and those of you that are participating online. My name is David Mucciacciaro, the Chief Commercial Officer at Ballard. I joined Ballard in May of 2022. I come with 25 years of experience in the automotive industry, most recently as the Vice President of Global Sales and Marketing at Magna. And I have to say this transition from the automotive industry into the hydrogen space and being able to play a role in the adoption of fuel cell is simply a remarkable opportunity and something that I'm very excited about. And Randy touched on this a little bit, too, and I think Jyoti will talk about it a little bit later in terms of our people. The passion that we have at Ballard, all aligned with our goal to make the world a sustainable planet is extremely inspirational. It's very, very impressive. It's my honor today to walk through the tremendous success and progress we're making from an order book, revenue and backlog perspective. One of the key themes of my presentation today is going to be diversification, and we're going to see this across multiple leaders that present today. Diversification from the region, not only does that mean success across all the different verticals but also a transition intentionally and successfully from a TS, Technology Service Company into a product-centric company from a vertical perspective. We're going to highlight diversification on a regional basis and also within our customer base. And on the subsequent slides, you're going to see some very telling information in terms of the number of platform wins that we've secured, where we were a couple of years ago and where we are today. And it's truly a seismic shift, one that we could all be very proud of. So let me first take a look at diversification from a regional basis. When you look at 2019, the majority of our revenue was from bus. It was the most mature market by far, which we believe to continue through the end of the decade. But as you see, as we progress through the time period, we see much more diversification and success and customer platform wins across all of our verticals. The intention is that we will be able to be viable in each vertical, have successful wins and be able to leverage that core technology and sell similar products across all of our different verticals. So that diversification from a vertical basis from bus to truck, to rail, marine, stationary and emerging markets is progressing very nicely. Secondly, let's take a look at a diversification from a regional perspective. The last Capital Market Day in 2020, our revenue was primarily dominated by China and then Europe. Currently, our revenue shows that 60% of our revenue is in Europe. And as Randy mentioned, the policy that we see in North America, there is a tremendous increase with this policy that we believe will yield increased results and revenue both in the short and midterm from a revenue perspective. From a diversification on the customer base, what we can see is, since Q4 of 2020, we've seen over a 60% annual growth rate in our deferred customer backlog, 60%. Again, a very significant number that shows true diversification across our verticals -- with our customers and our different verticals. That 60% accounts for 80% of our current backlog. This is a remarkable work and a very leading indicator of our ability to have success going forward. When you look into the backlog quarter-by-quarter over the last several years, you'll see a couple of very important trends. Number one, it looks relatively flat across the 2-year period. You do see a trend of increasing over the last year quarter-by-quarter, which we anticipate will continue going forward. But what you really see is a tremendous shift in TS project, our legacy business from Technology Services, which had its place, was very relevant at the time but a complete shift into our product-based company. This shift, as I mentioned earlier, was not only intentional, but it's successful. And it ends up being that our current total backlog for Power Products is the most in Ballard history. I need to repeat that. That's a very telling comment. The total amount of our product backlog now is the highest in our 44-year Ballard history, something that all of us are extremely proud of. I want to now take a couple of minutes to implement this 3D approach. And Randy talked about, we talk about customer platform wins and why that's important. Customer platform wins drive revenue with key customers, again, across many verticals and it's going to be a reoccurring revenue that's going to allow us to have sustained growth. You look at the different stages, you look at development, demonstrating, deploying and you take a look at the duration for each one of those segments some of which will take many, many years. And a key telling point of this in each section is the amount of fuel cells that are required. So in developing you're going through, you're designing it, you're validating it and then the volume is very low. As you transition to demonstrating now you're talking about proof of concept, this could take many, many years, and we're starting to talk about maybe double-digit fuel cell. Exciting though, when you transition into deploying, now we're talking about volume that could be in the triple digits, again, depending on the customer, the application. And I'm going to show a couple of examples that actually indeed result in triple-digit volume. This, again, is a very telling indicator for our success going forward, well beyond just the press releases that we introduced, the ability and the details in terms of the number of platform wins that we have now versus where we had a couple of years ago is substantial. In 2020, we had 13 customer platform wins, 13. The majority of which were in the developing initial stage, some transitioning into demonstrating and a few in deploying, the few that we're in deploying not surprisingly were bus. Bus, again, being the most mature market, again, not really showing a lot of diversification. Fast forward to today, 2023, in 3 short years we now have 31 customer platforms, which is just simply a remarkable number, significant increase in the number of platform wins that we've seen over just 3 years. And what's really telling about this is you see a significant number in the developing stage, which will translate to midterm, long-term growth as it goes through the different stages. We see a significant -- also in demonstrating and also deploying, which is driving the revenue. Another key aspect to focus on is these -- bubble chart of these customers that you see is diversified across our individual verticals. It's not just bus anymore, it's bus, truck, rail, marine, stationary and emerging markets, so again, further is a proof point for diversification. I'd like to now take a couple of minutes to walk through 3 individual specific customer examples of going through this 3D evolution of a customer platform. Solaris, first, a leading bus customer in Europe. I had the pleasure to spend some time in Poland and meet with the executive team in Poland and what they are doing in terms of their commitment for hydrogen fuel cells for buses is extremely exciting, extremely inspirational. It took a few years, a lot of work in terms of developing and validating it. And the result is 100 orders received from Solaris in 2022. We expect that number to be very similar in 2023. And equally important to note, Solaris has open tenders for close to 1,000 buses. So we're very excited about this partnership with between Ballard and Solaris. And I believe that it will continue to bear substantial revenue going forward and more to come on that in the coming quarters. Siemens is another example. This one is really, really special. 6 years ago, long before me, I joined 1 year ago, as I mentioned, Siemens started as a technology service TS project. Many, many years it took to develop the Siemens train, to develop the Ballard-specific module, a 200-kilowatt module of which, by the way, there's 2 Ballard 200-kilowatt modules that go into each train for a total of 400 kilowatts. A lot of work was done to be able to go through, validate that. And the end result is in 2022, we received an order for 100 modules from Siemens, a PO 100 modules, also further an LOI for an incremental 100 modules. And I'd have to say, again, thinking about it from a Ballard and a Siemens perspective, the many, many years, Kevin, you played a big role in this and your team of the years and years of hard work. I had the opportunity to ride that train. And to ride that hydrogen train in Germany and celebrate together with Siemens and be a part of that success story after many, many years of hard work was one of the proudest moments of my career. Lastly, one example. And of course, there's many, many more, as you can see as we transitioned up to 31, is Anglo American and First Mode. Anglo American, many of you are probably aware, is a leading mining platinum global company, has worked together with First Mode, who's developing the powertrain for hydrogen fuel cells. In 2023, we received an order for 35 modules. It's the HD+ 100-kilowatt module to be delivered in 2023. So again, triple digits, 100 modules. We also have already received an order for 60 more in 2024 HD+ modules. That's tremendous progress in just a couple of years. More importantly, First Mode has made this very well known and in one of their press releases announced a commitment to change over and retrofit 400 of their mining trucks to fuel cell power. And what does that mean? Each of those mining trucks has 1,000 kilowatts or 1 megawatt of power. That equates to 10-plus buses. So 10-plus bus modules times 400 is substantial revenue. And our partnership with First Mode located in Seattle, they spend a lot of time together in Ballard. We spent a lot of time cultivating this relationship and is truly, truly an exciting story. I want to now focus on each one of our verticals. And why does each one of our verticals make sense? And what's the value proposition? I'm not going to go through in the specific details and take the time. But of course, the intention is that each one of our verticals is viable on its own. Each one of our verticals, the expectation is to continue to secure customer platform wins. That's an indicator of success. And one key item that is important to note is that we're able to leverage our core technology and sell our modules across many verticals. Why is this important? Well, it's important because if we're able to sell those modules, leverage that core technology and sell those across multiple verticals, we're able to get volume and scale, and we're able to improve the volume with the volume of scale, resulting in significant cost reductions, which the ultimate goal is to also be able to make sure that we're competitive to the market and have improved financials. Each vertical has a very compelling total addressable market, as you can imagine. Bus isn't the largest TAM. However, again, it's the most mature market. We believe that bus will continue to be the most mature market through the end of the decade. Truck. Very, very exciting, total addressable market, but we also know that truck will be the most competitive by far. And there's been a substantial amount of interest in this truck vertical, and there's a lot of competition already. I'll lump rail and marine together. Rail and marine will come with smaller orders, smaller frequency of orders, but a larger order in terms of the magnitude. And we've seen that with Siemens. Siemens is just one example for rail. In emerging markets, emerging markets is actually a vertical, a segment that's very exciting for me because we've talked about the success we've had with First Mode. We've also talked about the success in working together with Caterpillar. And also the ability in emerging markets to branch out across just mining into commercial, perhaps into material handling, even the light-duty vehicle commercial market potentially as well. There's a tremendous amount of opportunity to have success in emerging markets. Lastly, I'll conclude with stationary power. And again, having been here a year, I've heard the history with stationary power. The majority of our focus was a mobility company. We weren't sure about the pace of adoption on stationary. But one thing that we've seen is a tremendous amount of interest in stationary power. We've had success with key plus -- key customer platform wins and the amount of interest that we continue to see the quote activity for large volume in this vertical is extremely, extremely compelling. I want to focus for a second. And when you take a look at this chart. It's a little bit confusing. But the majority -- the key takeaway of this chart is we get asked a lot, are we spreading ourselves too thin. And I can tell you, surely, we are not spreading ourselves too thin. I talked already about our ability to leverage our core products, our core technology and sell similar products across multiple verticals. That's extremely important, right? The other key aspect and the focus of this slide though, however, is that understand that each vertical has different power requirements. Each power requirement is unique, especially when you look at even just bus into stationary, it's tremendous, the magnitude of the different power requirements. And we are able, again, to not only sell our current product technology across multiple verticals, resulting in volume and scale. But we're able to combine our current product portfolio, combined modules to be able to support the larger fuel cell power needs for some of the other segments. I now would like to take a couple of moments to talk about each vertical individually, where we are and where we're going. Of course, the number one proof point for each vertical and the viability of the success is continued platform wins. But what are we seeing with bus? In bus, we have a substantial market share, primarily in Europe and North America. We want to protect that market share. And how do we do that? Well, we've added 7 new OEM partnerships just in the last year, and a lot of work is being done to increase that number. We want to continue to be the market leader in bus, we want to have more opportunities and add more customers, adding the more customers than would allow them to transition from the developing to the demonstrating and then, of course, to the deploying stage. One other key item, something that we're all very, very excited to hear about at Ballard is in April, we shipped our first Buy America product built in our Bend Oregon facility to New Flyer. And that's the first of many, many more to come for that customer. Shifting now to truck. Truck, I talked about the importance of having such large opportunities in terms of the total addressable market. We do have an XD module that is very, very -- fits the truck market very, very well, has got a lot of attention and a lot of excitement, and it's been a key focus of us to accelerate that development of that XD module. The other key aspect that I wanted to highlight on truck is that we've been able to proactively work on cost reduction. Randy talked about the importance of cost reduction. One of our 3 major task going forward is cost reduction, cost reduction and revenue. I might put revenue first, but I'm a little bit biased there. But it's clear that revenue and cost reduction are most important activities. And for us to be successful in the market of truck that's going to be highly competitive, we must have a competitive XD product. Rail. We've had significant expansion with CPKC, that's CP Rail located in Canada. What's exciting about rail as well is that we've had interest -- growing interest from locomotives, rail OEMs but also the end users. And I think everyone might be aware of the recent ZEV mandate in California for locomotives, which we believe will drive incremental revenue towards the end of this decade. Shifting to Marine. Again, a very, very exciting accomplishment. We have the first commercial ferry for PEM cell technology in liquid hydrogen operational in 2023. I know there's a lot of attention, there's been a lot of press releases, a lot of eyes on this, and this is something that we're -- we find fascinating, and we're very excited about this progress. Ballard also in the marine vertical was the first to achieve a DMV type approval for our FCwave 200-kilowatt product in 2022. We also have had some key wins. I'll note just a couple here, Norled, Future Proof Shipping, and Amogy, and we can -- and we believe that we'll see continued success with more customers adopting to our technology in this marine segment. Emerging markets, I talked about First Mode already, 10 megawatts worth of modules ordered today, 60 modules to be ordered in 2024, already ordered and then those 400 mining trucks to be retrofitted. We have also developed our first-generation mining truck for field deployment. And we believe that together, again, with just First Mode, Caterpillar and other segments, material handling, construction. There is a viable opportunity for us to have success in this emerging market. And what makes emerging markets so interesting is it's emerging and it's evolving. And it's interesting to see how that will continue to evolve over time. Lastly, stationary. This is one that surprisingly, again, has generated the most amount of interest. So far to date, we have 15 megawatts of orders secured with delivery in 2024 -- 2022 to 2024. We have the right product portfolio to be able to support our customer needs with our 200-kilowatt FCgen module and then our unique ability to take those FCgen modules and containerize it into a 1-megawatt solution, which we call the Megablock. We will be delivering those first 2-megawatt units by Q4 of this year to an unnamed customer that we're very, very excited about and hopefully can name in the coming future. But again, the first delivery of our 1-megawatt Megablock, which we believe has also translated into success for many other customers, of which I know below Caterpillar, Microsoft, Vertiv, HGF and Shell. Shell is actually using this megawatt Megablock solution as their product that we will be delivering to them in the 2024, '25 time frame. So lastly, I'd like to just spend a couple of minutes as a segue also into the next sections in terms of competing technologies. Obviously, when you look at hydrogen ICE, you look at battery and you look at hydrogen fuel cells, battery has its place, small fleets, certain duty cycles perhaps would lend itself for battery application. We acknowledge that. We understand that. I believe that there is a case to be made for multiple technologies depending on the application. But I also think it also shows the [ reimportance ] and the need for hydrogen fuel cells, large fleets for higher duty cycles. Marc is going to talk about this and give a couple of examples in the TCU section. I also just want to say a couple of words for hydrogen ICE because there's been a reemergence in this technology and a lot of dialogue and a lot of discussion. Hydrogen ICE does not have the efficiency, in my opinion, to make it a real viable bridge to hydrogen fuel cells. It definitely does not have the efficiency that we have with hydrogen. And more importantly, I want to reiterate, I think everyone knows this, but hydrogen ICE is not a zero emission technology. The last comment is when you look at the different bubble charts, perhaps it's hard to see but the ICE and battery has already had the benefit of going down the cost curve over years and years of development where the PEM technology is just beginning that journey. And again, we talk so much about the need for cost reduction, we expect PEM will go down that cost curve and get cost out appropriately. From a competitive pricing perspective, and my next 2 slides kind of go together. Of course, there's a lot of interest in this very exciting industry. We've seen a total of 20 new fuel cell competitors joined this market since 2019. Some of them is more of a bet for their incumbent technology as a side play, some of it they're just learning and just coming up to speed in terms of their hydrogen fuel cell capabilities. Of course, some have made important partnerships to help leverage that and improve that. But what sets Ballard apart from the competition? Clearly, is we have 44 years of experience focusing solely on hydrogen fuel cells, 44 years experience. I think Kevin talks about we're on our 13th version of our stack development. And the maturity and the maturation of those products and the lessons learned over those 40-plus years cannot be taken away and is extremely valuable for our customer when they're making a decision. Not only the experience we have, the maturity of our products, but also the amount of vehicles that we have on the road with real-life data, with real-life learning and the ability for us to make enhancements to further improve our product. This kind of goes along with the previous comment, ultimately, what makes a customer make a decision? What drives them? Of course, pricing, I'm not going to take away that pricing is not an important aspect. We need to be priced to the market. At the end of the day, the OEM needs to have a value proposition that's in the money. That's clear. However, there's many, many other factors that play a role into a customer making a decision beyond just pricing, technical, talked about performance, power requirements, power density and then qualitative. Ballard's proven track record of success, our aftermarket sales, our customer care group, our Here for Life, which is our tagline because we're here for you. You don't just buy a module from us. We're going to support you through the entire journey. And I believe just as a closing remark, that is one of the -- another one of the key differentiators for Ballard versus some of these new entrants. With that being said, I've walk through a lot here. Look forward to the Q&A section. I'm going to hand it over to Marc Niefer to go through our TCU in much more detail. Thank you, Marc.

Marc Niefer

executive
#4

Thank you, Dave. Good morning, and welcome from my side. My name is Marc Niefer. I'm the Vice President for the truck and bus business. I've joined Ballard a year ago, and I have 22 years experience with Daimler and Daimler Trucks and 25 years of experience in the automotive business. You may ask 2 questions this morning, and that is why does Ballard invest into modeling capabilities? And also, why do we call it total cost of use case and not total cost of ownership? Where modeling capabilities are a competitive advantage in the absence of decades of empirical data. We have investigated total cost of ownership models, and we found them incomplete and they are kind of a black box. You put in a handful of numbers, some magic happens and you get a result. We think that this is not reflecting the complexity of today's world and makes it too simple. And oversimplification is not giving us the insights we need to take the right decisions. We want to understand what we model and the good old business school wisdom, build your own model to get the results that you want to have. In the diesel world, total cost of ownership was a product-centric and sufficient measure because the diesel engine, it can go long distance, it can go short distance, it can drive in mountains. It can drive on the flat land, hot climate, cold climate, it doesn't really make a difference, it works all the time. With the new technologies, the world is getting more complex. Not every technology is suitable for every use case. And in particular, not every technology is economical in every use case. So good decisions need to understand how customers use their trucks. We need to expand the TCU model and include customer and other specifics to move forward to represent the complexity of the world today. The world class model allows us to use real and actual data, Ballard data. We can change the inputs flexibly depending on the customers discussions, and we can adapt to developments. In addition, we can account for new elements that were not relevant in the past, infrastructure and very important, I'll come back to that later, policy, and it is more customer-centric. So the Ballard's TCU model allows us to discuss with customers on a completely different level than in the past. But we don't stop there. We'll take it a step further. We translate customer centricity into internal technology steering. We understand the value proposition levers. We can develop products according to those value propositions, and we can develop products that make our customers successful. Based on real data based on performance and cost data and not based on high level industry assumptions. If want to -- if you want to look at that in a graphical representation, in the diesel world, you had a good old 2x2 matrix. Application and region, and that was sufficient. Now with new technologies, you get into a Rubik's Cube. And the Rubik's Cube gets into another Rubik's Cube and finally, you get to the Rubik's Cube that is relevant for the customer. So we can model for the customer, we can model with the customer. And that is a big advantage that we see, and this is why we invested into our own modeling capabilities. But enough of this talking, let's get to the case studies. I brought 2 case studies today. The one is a long-haul fleet in Germany and the other one is a long-haul fleet in California. We've chosen the long-haul truck fleet as an example because it might be easiest for you to relate to models and results you know. And it is also what you see in the Hydrogen Council and maybe as a point of validation. When you feed our model with the Hydrogen Council data, you will end up in the same results. So we've taken a truck operator that owns 100 trucks and uses external infrastructure. And what you get out of that is our data donut. Our data donut consists of 6 toppings. It's the vehicle CapEx, the cost of the vehicle. It's the application cost, the cost that are specific to the use. It's the energy cost. It's all the operating costs like tolls, insurance and maintenance and it's the driver cost. And finally, as the new element, it is infrastructure. The one thing we did not model is the carbon tax because it's relatively complicated and too unclear. Now let's look at the data. I think that's the most interesting part and not surprising for a truck purchased in 2023, the diesel engine is still the most compelling cost of use case. What you see across all technologies is that energy cost is actually the biggest cost factor in the TCU. But when you go away from the energy cost, the distribution is very different. So in the TCU of a diesel truck at $1.45 per kilometer, maintenance and toll, so OpEx is the second biggest cost lever. If you move to battery electric trucks, that are roughly 30% more expensive in TCU in this application, driver OpEx becomes the second highest impact on your cost. And it is not that we pay more for a battery truck driver but it is the regulation that says charging time is driving time. So if you want the customer or if you want to drive the same distance with the battery electric truck, you need to drive the -- you need to pay the driver more because it takes longer for it. Finally, coming to the fuel cell electric truck, and this is representing Ballard fuel cell costs. The hydrogen costs, the energy costs are higher than in all of the other use cases or in all the other technologies, and it is followed by the CapEx. The CapEx, the cost of the truck, much driven by the cost of the fuel cell. And what you can see there is very clear what is important for us in Ballard. It is the cost reduction Randy mentioned and Dave mentioned it, cost reduction is a must in the fuel cell electric truck. But then immediately, the key success factor following is efficiency, efficiency of the fuel cell to reduce the consumption of energy. Now the donuts are a point in time. They show 2023. Looking forward, it's a 4-year holding period assumed. How does it look over time? Well, in our analysis, we will have a fuel cell electric truck and the diesel truck cost parity in 2027. And this is driven by 2 main factors, and you've seen it in the donut. The hydrogen pricing is a significant impact. And we have assumed at the moment the cost reduction of EUR 1 per kilogram per year starting in '23, so we will have parity at EUR 9 per kilogram with a diesel truck. And these assumptions are conservative because you can see here, we have assumed stable diesel prices, so no increase in the diesel price, no carbon tax. And we have also assumed stable electricity prices going forward. Now we all don't know the price development of energy. And if we knew, we would probably be in a different place and do different things. But it is really relevant to see and what you see -- the impact of sensitivity of energy prices. We have assumed a 10% plus/minus sensitivity on our assumptions here. And what you see is a relative change between diesel price and hydrogen of 10% changes the cost parity by 1 year. So we'll be 1 year faster in cost parity if the diesel price changes 10% upwards and the hydrogen price changes 10% downwards. So we have an extreme sensitivity to energy prices in the game and with the conservative assumptions of flat diesel pricing and flat energy pricing -- electricity pricing, we think we are conservative. We did not include a carbon tax in the diesel price and we assumed electricity prices on the level of today, not considering all the investments necessary into the electrical grid to support charging of thousands and thousands and thousands of trucks in the countries. Now I'd like to move on to the California case. And in California, we very much modeled the policy impact and here you see, like in the energy, the sensitivity to policy is significant with all the support available in California, for zero-emission vehicles. We foresee that there's a 2-year change in the parity between a fuel cell electric truck and a diesel truck based on the support given by the government. Now there's one thing I'd like to mention that we cannot model but which we have a lot in the discussions with our customers, and that is operating procedures. Our customers, our fleet operators have over years optimized their internal procedures to run their fleet and they don't really want to change it because it has been optimized to the [ customer ] to make their business successful and profitable. So let's take the example of a transit authority in the U.S. They want a one-to-one replacement of their diesel transit bus with the other technology. They don't want to think about, oh, I can only use a battery electric bus on this route, but not on this and the fuel cell there and here and there. So it gets very complicated for them and they would like to keep this complexity out. They would want to keep everything as it is and replace the diesel bus by another truck. Now this is something we are unable to model, but it is a significant driver for the adoption of fuel cell electric vehicles. And now I would like to conclude, I think what you -- in order to be successful in the marketplace, what you need to do and what we are doing with our modeling capabilities is we need to know our customers, we need to optimize our product development to benefit the customers to offer them superior value propositions, and that is important. We need to focus, and we will focus on those use cases where it is attractive to have a fuel cell electric vehicle. Thank you very much for listening. And with that, I would like to hand over to Dr. Kevin Colbow, our Chief Technology Officer.

Kevin Colbow

executive
#5

Thank you, Marc. Good morning, everybody. My name is Kevin Colbow, as Marc pointed out, and I serve as Ballard's Chief Technology Officer. I've been with the company for 28 years, so the tagline Here for Life has a special meaning for me. And I'm excited now more than ever because we are well positioned with our technology and products. And our plan on cost reduction, to capture the growing worldwide market opportunities. You have heard about our evolution to a product-focused company and how critical TCU is to drive adoption and performance and how the market environment is increasingly competitive. We'll walk through technical milestones, what we are investing in and how it is driving TCU optimization and cost reduction. So breaking down our products, we have MEAs and bipolar plates, which comprise up a unit cell, multiple unit cells make up a stack. And we work closely with suppliers to develop and procure balance-of-plant components which, in turn, are integrated around the stack to create a module. Typically made up of hundreds of parts in total. Ballard designs and manufactures MEAs, bipolar plates, stacks and modules. So let's start with the MEA. MEA technology is one of the pillars of Ballard's intellectual property. Advancements in MEA technology drive TCU improvements as it dictates power output, durability and fuel efficiency. If you get the MEA wrong, then the whole engine will struggle to meet customer expectations and provide competitive performance. Recent investment in the MEA has driven a 15% increase in aerial power density. That's a measure of the power per square per unit area, since 2019, and this is a significant achievement. And I can tell you that being in this field for so long, these kinds of exciting developments, particularly when they haven't been calculated into our 3x3 cost reduction just yet provide even more promise for future improvement. And we'll continue to invest increasing performance through new and emerging membrane and catalyst technology advancements. Next, the bipolar plate. And we have a very diverse and the term diversity has come up in a number of times in a lot of contexts, and it includes in terms of our technical experience and expertise in this area. The bipolar plate is actually made about 2 half plates. It's providing a means to uniformly distribute the reactants across the active area of the cell to provide cooling to the cell, to collect the current and finally, to effectively manage the removal of the product water, and we model this. We experimented with this in great levels of detail, as right behind the curtains behind me, quite frankly, is our laboratory. There are 2 primary categories of bipolar plate materials, metal, typically in the form of coated stainless steel and coated titanium and carbon in both flexible graphite form and molded carbon. Through my lengthy career, there has always been a lack of industry consensus on ideal material for all applications. Today, most use metal. Metal plates certainly lead in power density but are poor in durability and free start metrics, often leading to more frequent replacement. Ballard has experience with both metal and carbon, building and testing stacks using both types. So among those 13 generations, some of the ones we haven't counted are some of the experimentation with metal. Investment in improving, making flexible graphite bipolar plate thinner has been successful. We've reduced the thickness by over 30%, now making it competitive with higher power density applications, including heavy-duty trucks. And Mark Biznek will later discuss the investment in the next-generation bipolar plate manufacturing, which we just recently announced. So let's put this together now from the stack perspective. We take our MEA and our plates and stack them, add in hardware and in an enclosure to create the stack. Stack end hardware is made up of bus plates to conduct electricity and compression springs and laser-welded steel straps to maintain compression over the long lifetime of heavy-duty applications. And this is just one example of Ballard stack design as it enables improved durability and performance over the life of the product. And I will say it again, we have [ done ] into our 13th generation of these fuel cell stacks. Turning now to cost reduction and more details on our cost reduction program. At our 2020 Investor Day, we unveiled our 3x3 cost reduction program to achieve a 70% cost reduction relative to a 2018 baseline by 2024. For those not as familiar with the 3x3 simply described, a 3-year plan to drive down cost in 3 categories: manufacturing, materials and engineering design. To date, we have achieved all but one of our goals in our stack reduction program. If you can see the little yellow circle right at the bottom there, that's the one that we haven't achieved. Automation in our manufacturing processes, reduction in plate thickness and improvement in catalyst loading were the most significant cost reduction achievements to date. One facet of the original goal was to reduce the stack catalyst loading. However, we found during the development process that we -- that this would reduce costs, but it would adversely impair the TCU. As a result, we intentionally chose not to implement this design change. We are always conscious of switching lanes with our development streams if we feel it will negatively impact what our customers value the most. Our success with the 3x3 program covered advanced manufacturing processes and capital investment, increasing our capacity, changing to the design of our fuel cell components and the selection of new input materials. Further advancements will follow similar themes, facilitated by working hand-in-hand with key component suppliers, particularly in the areas of gas diffusion layers, catalysts, ionomer and membranes, as you've already heard, a greater than 60% stack cost reduction using the 2018 baseline conditions has been achieved. With increase in volumes anticipated in 2024, we are forecasting achievement of the original 70% cost reduction target. Now we expect these cost improvements to begin to impact our margins in our products in the 18- to 24-month time frame. And this time is necessary to fulfill implementation and scale into the production lines, including full supplier qualifications. Looking out to 2026 with further implementation of the next-generation bipolar plate manufacturing and additional MEA design improvements, which I just highlighted earlier, we have the next tranche of cost reduction opportunities underway and derisked that will amount to an overall 80% cost reduction. This is massive. This is absolutely massive. Beyond advancements in the MEA and bipolar plate, we are actively working on opportunities in the design and manufacturing of the stack to further improve cost. Shown here is just one example, where a change in our stack enclosure design has the potential to improve volumetric power density by greater than 10%. So with that, I'd like to introduce Dr. Mircea Gradu, who will take you through the balance-of-plant and module cost reduction activities.

Mircea Gradu

executive
#6

Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. My name is Mircea Gradu, Chief Engineering Officer at Ballard. And my background spans over 30 years in the mobility industries including powertrain and vehicle level executive leadership positions with major OEMs, including Daimler, Hyundai Motor Company and Fiat Chrysler. Kevin emphasized the importance of development and cost reduction at the stack level. I will address similar topics and emphasize the cost reduction importance for the balance of the plant. The balance of the plant certainly is the other major component of the module. It includes major sourced components like air compressors, like hydrogen recirculation blowers, like sensors, like pressure sensors, and again, this is a very complex set of components that we are sourcing and the emphasis on cost reduction spans now over our entire supply base. Not only are we reducing the parts in the manufacturing time, but we also emphasize a lot the power density. That is expressed in the gravimetric and volumetric characteristics of our product in terms of power density. In other words, for the same power level you have a more compact and lighter product or if you want at the same volume or weight level, you can have a significantly higher power level. The next-generation product, which is shown on this slide, on the right side, the XD that has been referenced extensively by David and actually made the highlight of the International Auto Show last year. That product, in particular, emphasizes this achievement in terms of power density and reduction in parts count, which at the time was 20%, we are continuing on that as the product progresses to its development phase. In addition to that, we also included in this product additional functionality, which is the DC-DC conversion and other power electronic functionality which actually expands the capability of our customers to incorporate that into the end vehicle or application. You can see on this slide the significant reduction we achieved in the balance of the plant. So the diagram shows 70% module cost reduction and the point here is that we are applying the same methodology, which we successfully applied within the fuel cell stack at the balance of the plant level. So we're going through component reduction, and we're going through a very extensive collaboration with our suppliers. That is a global supply chain that Randy also referenced, certainly very diverse in terms of the geographic location and do include China or includes China suppliers. And we apply the same concept as we did with the MEA components. So that applies to the design manufacturability performance and cost efficiency of each of the components. So as a system-level developer, we are actually trying to help our suppliers with the very intricate technology that goes into each of those components and the very good example is, for instance, air compressors. They do include power electronics controllers, and in this case, or very sophisticated air bearing technology. And we are actually trying to work jointly with our suppliers to kind of bring up the technology level at the component. This road map that we are showing on this slide is actually also illustrating our next phase of engine development. And the major step that we are taking here is to consolidate the 7-plus products that we currently have into 4 core products. You can see here illustrate the small core product, which will replace the MD and HD product with the respective power ranges. The medium core product, which will replace the HD+ and XD, large core product replacing some of the FC applications in marine, in stationery and rail applications. And ultimately, we're creating a combination of those products that aims to power levels that we currently achieve with our ClearGen product. So those are actually stationary power generations -- power generation units that are in the 1 megawatt plus range. Also very important here is the modularity and flexibility concept that we developed and illustrates certainly with the XD product and that gives us the opportunity to couple those modules. As Dave also mentioned, in case of the XD product, which you'll also see on the tour, that was the power source or the powertrain in a heavy-duty truck in the long-haul truck that was introduced at the International Auto Show, and it consists of 2 of the XD product. We harness the power of software to improve the performance of our products by using the sophisticated analysis of the [ Dewey ] cycle and operating conditions for the module functionality optimization. In other words, everything what Marc explained in terms of the TCU and the valuable input that we developed into modeling, the use of our -- or the customer use of our applications, that also certainly translates into how we control the module. And that is not only in terms of the fuel cell module, but also the entire hybrid powertrain, the battery fuel cell hybrid powertrain on the vehicle. So software also helps with the functionality of the entire powertrain of the vehicle. We also believe that, again, as demonstrated also by Marc, the total cost of ownership and total cost of use can be impacted by this control strategy. So that's a tremendous benefit that software can bring. And ultimately, if you think about the RADAR diagram that was shown before with all the characteristics of the product, all of those can be influenced positively by the software and the controls that we are developing. Aligned with our strategy to become a fuel cell product-focused company, we have substantially increased our investment in engine development over the past 3 years. And the slide shows the increase by more than 280% since 2020. The module investment is critical for improving the fuel cell performance, the -- certainly the total cost of use, application fit and manufacturability and that was also emphasized in David's presentation because all of those are critical purchasing criteria by our customers. Ambitious yet achievable plans in cost reduction, supplier development capacity scaling, product development and portfolio rationalization require continued investment to maintain the pole position. We are in the pole position currently. And given the increasingly competitive dynamics that David also has shown both by technology and by other players that certainly are significant. We need to keep up with the base, and we do by upping our investment in modules. Ballard has demonstrated a strong technology commitment. So overall, if you noted the emphasis that we are putting both on the stack and module development that is coupled certainly with everything that pertains to the manufacturing of our product. So we are pursuing the commitment into preparing the fuel cell manufacturing for scale and for delivering on the cost reduction quality initiatives that are abundant within Ballard. So with that, I thank you for your attention, and I would like to introduce Mark Biznek, our Chief Operating Officer.

Mark Biznek

executive
#7

Thank you, Mircea. So I'm Mark Biznek, I serve as the Chief Operating Officer for Ballard. And I just joined earlier this year. The prior 30 years I spent in power generation and engine development at General Electric, General Motors and most recently, Kohler power systems. So it's fair to say I've burned my fair share of fossil fuels in the past, and it's really good to be part of the Ballard team who is a leader in clean energy. So today, I'd like to share with you just a little bit of the manufacturing plan, the near-term and midterm plan that we have laid out for you. As Dave mentioned earlier, we have a large amount of backlog -- historic backlog for Ballard, which is great for the company. But selfishly, it puts me on the spot to now deliver to these customer commitments. So my plan is now to really put together a plan that I'll show you today. For those who are in the room today, you'll see this slide again, when you do the tour of the facilities, North Fraser across the street here. But for those joining us online, this is basically a 4-year snapshot showing our investment where we've made to really pivot from a technology company to a commercialization company where we are today, which really goes back to Dave's 3D point about going from deployment to -- sorry from demonstration to deployment, and that's where our customers are moving into these fleet vehicles. So with that, I'll start on the far left, which shows the 2019 investment into our pilot production line, which you'll see -- again, for people who are here, you'll see across the street. That was really signaling the start of that beginning of building Power Products here at Ballard. So we have an automated line that has high quality systems built in and manufacturing execution systems for torque control and lot control as well, so traceability is there. So that really was our start of building big products here. I would characterize the COVID years 2020 to 2022 as the investment in plate and MEAs, where we got the joint venture with our Weichai partner online in 2020, which gave us an 8x improvement in plate production. And then the MEA investment, which we just kind of finished up at this year, we call it LIM sealing, which you'll see again on the tour, our sealing process for MEAs, which gave us a 6x improvement. So those are really vital for kind of the infrastructure. 2023 is characterized really in stack and module capacity as we continue to grow our work there. So opening up our Bend plant in the U.S.A., which is really a module building, engine building facility, bespoke that really gives us a lot of flexibility at a low cost level as well as our stack and module FAT testing, which we'll implement this year, which will give us some more stack of the volume. Finally, on the far right is our commissioning of our next gen plate line, which we announced just yesterday. Very exciting news for me, particularly because it gives us about a 10x improvement in capacity for plates. It also gives us a cost reduction of about 35% on the plates, which gets us -- sorry, 35% plate thickness reduction, which gets us online to be at the 4-kilowatt per liter on power density, gives us 70% cost reduction on the plates, which gets us really on a clear path to that DOE target, the U.S. DOE target of $5 per kilowatt. So those are great. Power density, of course, and cost are great but also it reduces our raw materials by 45%, which really puts our money where our mouth is for our ESG commitments. So it's really a great step forward and that really gets us prepared for our 2026 time frame, which I'm calling the midterm time frame. And that really will help us where we are today internally, give us about a doubling of our capacity. So if we look at kind of just a 2x4 matrix, a very simple, what I call mid -- near-term and midterm range. And on the left axis, you can see that the 4 main processes, MEA, plate, stack and module or engine, as we call it as well. The near term is already just explained, basically, utilizing our current footprint, our manufacturing footprint we have today, to manufacture and capacitize in those places. And those include, of course, Burnaby, which you'll see, again, people in the audience will see it this afternoon across the street; the Hobro, Denmark facility; our Bend, Oregon facility, which does engine assembly; and then our joint venture in Weifang, China where we're doing plate and stack and engine assembly. So that's really our near term, just again, getting us ready for that next step -- for the next wave of capacity. The midterm is really characterized by improving our processes and getting the equipment ready to really go into the high-volume manufacturing. So expanding our global MEA capacity, utilizing our plate, which I just described, but adding more stack and engine manufacturing capability in those and kind of call it the future wave that we're going for. So with that, we're really looking at some key areas, of course, and using our global for local strategy. So as they say, every great journey starts with the first step, and we want to put our first -- best foot forward and where we're going to invest into the next volume, the high-capacity bespoke plant for manufacturing, so looking at our capital allocation and where we want to put that money first. So we're really reviewing the U.S. and European markets to see if those are a good fit. We're going to be talking about the characteristics down below on the slide, but we'll be using these characteristics really to evaluate the regions and see where we want to put our first plant with our look back at really where we are with the China MEA localization plant, which we announced last year. So kind of using that as the stake in the ground and comparing that against the U.S. and European markets. Our local for local considerations really are the 5 main big buckets. The access to low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen, of course, the infrastructure is key. We consume hydrogen in the production of our stacks and modules. Every stack and every engine gets tested 100% and that it consumes hydrogen. So we want infrastructure, let alone, our customers want the hydrogen as well, which I talked about the second point, which is this market considerations. Of course, where the hydrogen infrastructure is will drive demand and drive certain companies to convert to the hydrogen fuel cells. So we will look at that. Of course, interesting to me is the access to funding support, where we get regional and country support to, for either capital or employment or for facilities as well, who's going to fund us or help us get into those regions. Of course, proximity to customers, but also suppliers and talent, right, reducing our transportation costs and making sure we are in the right market. And of course, mitigating all the geopolitical risks as well, so we had to put that in consideration. So with those 5 main things we're going to be evaluating again, U.S. and European markets to see how those compare to our -- what we announced last year with the China MEA plan. Which really goes into this slide here, which on the left-hand side, you can kind of see where we were, call it, beginning of 2022, just 18 months ago, where China was the lead horse in this. So it had the best, strongest business case and the hydrogen outlook was strong. Certain European verticals were very interesting as Dave Mucciacciaro mentioned earlier as well. So Europe always had some interesting parts. But now with recent policy changes, as we've just seen with the European and USA, the IRA act as well and the really great support of hydrogen infrastructure going in. So now we're really looking at all 3 and really comparing and contrasting where we want to put our first step. So we're going to look at that to see our capital allocation, and we'll look at that for the local for local manufacturing strategy. So again, it's all good to have a good capital plan, a good manufacturing plan. But it really needs the people and the culture to really go forward. And today, we have Jyoti Sidhu, who is going to be taking us through the P&C. Thank you.

Sarbjot Sidhu

executive
#8

Thank you, Mark. Welcome to those of you who are joining us in our beautiful facilities here in Burnaby and a warm welcome to those of you who are joining us virtually. Thank you for being part of our story. I'm Jyoti Sidhu, Chief People Officer at Ballard Power Systems. I would like to now take you through what's happening on a few of the items. One of the items is going to be around our people, then we will move it into how are we keeping our people safe. And then culture we have at Ballard, as well as ESG achievements. First of all, there has been a lot of activity happening at Ballard. We have been busy. As you have heard from Mircea, Kevin, Mark, we have been significantly investing in product development, process development, as well as cost reduction activities. These activities not only require team members, but also evolving skill sets. And with that, what you can see on the graphs, we have 1,300 employees right now at global level. 80% of those employees are in 2 key functions: technology and product development, as well as operations, which includes our advanced manufacturing engineering as well. Our workforce is evolving as well. Given that we are kind of getting into automation as well as digitization, we are bringing the skill sets from external, but at the same time, we are focusing on ensuring our current workforce's skill sets are getting upgraded, so they can be ready for future as well. We do not expect a step change in our team size going forward, only very few incremental hires to continue to deliver on our strategy. With that kind of team side growth, we need to make sure that we are also ensuring safety of our people. We are very proud of the culture of safety we have at Ballard. Our goal that everyone goes home safely at the end of each day remains unchanged. As you can see, we did not have any lost time injuries, year-to-date. That's 160 days without lost time injury. Impressive. We also want to make sure that we are continuing to nurture the safety culture we have already in place so we ensure everyone, regardless of their role in the organization, is going through their training. As you can see, over -- close to 3,000 safety courses were completed in 2022. Even with the year-over-year increase in staff and product manufacturing, our safety performance has improved. Great achievement. We are very proud of that. Now I will turn it over and to walk us over through into our people side of stuff, our people drive our success. As we have heard from David Mucciacciaro, that we have diversified our portfolio when it comes to products. What we are really proud of, the diversity that we see in our team. 32 -- over 32 countries are represented in our global team. Why is that important? It's important because that provides us with rich different perspectives from our team, which translate into great innovation, better decision-making and great employee engagement. All of those are critical requirements to be a successful company. According to Randstad, only 15% of management in science, engineering and technology are women. We are very proud to share with you that we have a strong representation of women in our senior leadership team. 32%, double of the industry average. Our work in this area, we don't feel, is complete. We refreshed our DEI policy last year, and the work will continue in coming months and years and we'll be happy to continue to showcase how we are progressing in this area. Next, again, with people driving our success. We firmly believe having great engagement actually is one of the key differentiators when you are wanting to make sure that you have key skill sets in the organization to deliver on our -- your story. Demonstrates, when you have a high engagement, it demonstrates the passion for the purpose that we have at Ballard and the alignment of our team members with the values that we have at Ballard as well. We have been conducting our engagement survey for the last 16 consecutive years with exceptional participation at global levels, above 95% in most cases. It is very, very important for us to receive the feedback from our people, so we can make sure that it's the right input into our people strategy as well as programs. You can also see our retention rates. We have demonstrated employee retention rates over 90% for the last 5 years in most cases. This is a competitive advantage in our opinion in the robust labor market for technical skill sets. I would also like to kind of share with you what we have done from a hybrid work model perspective. Those of you who are in our facilities, we are sitting in upgraded facilities. And those of you, we would just like to take a minute to recognize that. New hybrid work environment has allowed Ballard to substantially grow its team without increasing its footprint. It's allowing us to ensure that we -- our collaboration actually at global level has increased. Even with a hybrid environment, we have been able to maintain high engagement. We are very proud of that. And great retention rates as well. So now let's start to walk into E side of the ESG. The foundation of Ballard's business is to help our customers decarbonize. What a great story. Not only that we minimize the use of precious metals and recycled product components at the end of life, we're also ensuring that our customers are successful as we go along with that. Even with the high carbon hydrogen, fuel cell buses have lower life cycle emissions compared to diesel buses. When we actually are able to use green hydrogen, fuel cell buses are going to have lower life cycle emissions compared to battery electric buses. We help our customers decarbonize, but we don't stop there. We are committed to becoming carbon-neutral by 2030 and our ESG report is going to be published end of this month. You will see that our ESG ratings continue to improve as we continue to disclose more and more. And these are going to be obviously part of the ESG report that will be available for all of us. Now I would like to move it into what's happening on the commitments to the planet side, or our carbon-neutral plan. During 2022, we established implementation plan and road map, which defines the scope of our efforts, material investments and the timing. Our plan consists of 6 key goals that are focused on key emitters. These are carbon-free energy and electricity to our facilities, transitioning to low-carbon company vehicles, using green hydrogen in our research and development facilities, business travel and employee community. We are focused on not being only an environmentally sustainable company but also a financially sustainable business for the long term. With that, I would like to turn it over to our CFO, Paul Dobson. Thank you for your time.

Paul Dobson

executive
#9

Thank you, Jyoti. Good morning, everybody. My name is Paul Dobson, I'm the Chief Financial Officer here at Ballard. I've been here for 2 years. And I have 30 years of finance and management experience with various companies, including CIBC, Direct Energy and Hydro One. So before we get started today, just a few comments about guidance. So today, we provide guidance on total operating costs and CapEx as well as order book. And as you've heard today and likely already knew, there's -- the industry is still maturing. Many internal and external factors that need to come together for us to comfortably and confidently be able to predict and forecast where margins and revenues are going to be within a reasonable range. This industry is still very much in the early innings, and we look forward to providing specific guidance on revenue and gross margin in the future when the industry matures a bit more and visibility on our orders is a bit more predictable. As mentioned by Dave in the commercial update, Ballard is more diversified today in terms of the revenue mix by vertical, geography and customers. We are firmly a products company now. As shown on the graph, you see the increasing proportion of product revenue -- product revenue and backlog. This shift in the revenue was always part of the strategy and does require more investment to support product and market development and manufacturing capacity as well. Technology Solutions certainly did have a purpose in the early fuel cell market, but we're now moving away from fuel cell technology development for third parties towards supporting fuel cell integration into customers' vehicles. And we purchased Ballard Motive Solutions, or formerly Arcola, for this very purpose. So more specifically on the revenue split, in 2019, Power Products revenue was about 45%. In 2023, Power Products revenues about 20% -- or 80%. And by 2025, we expect that to be over 90%. So looking at the anticipated revenue ramp, we expect to see growth throughout this decade and beyond 2030 as well. We believe that the step change increase in demand for the products will occur in the 2025-2026 time frame. Why? Well, as discussed by all of my colleagues in their presentations, we see a number of catalysts coming together at that time, including the order book growth as we attract more platform customers moving towards a hydrogen strategy and more customers who are taking action to get closer to their decarbonization commitments. We see existing platform customers moving towards deployment. We see the product cost reductions and pricing moving to parity with diesel and with battery. And externally, we see rapid scaling and access to low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen as well. And we'll likely see increases in carbon pricing as well. So looking at gross margin, we're targeting gross margin in the mid-20s by 2030. And we expect gross margin to break even in the 2024-2025 time frame as volumes ramp up. So with that, gross margin expansion driven by the product cost reductions, which we talked about extensively by Kevin and Mircea, outpacing the decline in selling prices, but also volume, supported by the investments in manufacturing capacity and automation, as discussed by Mark, which will lower our unit costs and bring more economies of scale. Beyond 2030, we see opportunities to expand gross margin even further through increasing volume, as well as growing revenue opportunities from service and extended warranty sales. So our guidance on total operating expenses for 2023 is $135 million to $155 million, which compares to 2022 of $146 million, so roughly flat. Beyond 2023, we're expecting total OpEx to grow generally in line with inflation for the next few years. The majority of the growth in OpEx has been driven by product development activities and also the build-out of our manufacturing footprint, as discussed by Mark. Looking at capital expenditures, our guidance for 2023 is $40 million to $60 million. And in 2022, we spent $35 million. We're planning $300 million of CapEx investment over the next 5 years. So roughly $60 million per year spent roughly evenly over that time period. 70% of that $300 million is allocated to production capacity, in line with the global manufacturing strategy as referenced by Mark. And the remaining 30% is work -- of the CapEx is for product development, such things as test station and development equipment, as well as ERP and IT. We've looked at these forecasts carefully, and we believe this is what we need to invest to achieve our strategic plan. We do have some flexibility on timing and location of certain investments, depending on where and when volume is most likely to ramp up. So our pathway to profitability. When we combine what David was talking about in terms of the commercial team's work on building the backlog and customer platforms, what Marc Niefer was talking about in terms of our TCU forecast and when parity is expected, Kevin and Mircea's product improvements and the cost reductions, when they come online, Mark's global manufacturing strategy and Jyoti's focus on investments in our people, we see EBITDA profitability in the 2027-2028 time frame. Revenue growth and expansion of gross margins are the key drivers for EBITDA profitability, as we do not see material increases in our total OpEx needed to meet this future demand. Finally, a word about balance sheet management. So at the end of Q1, we had $864 million in cash and no debt. And as I said before, we have the funding in place to make our investments to support the customer platform and to support our high-volume product sales. We take a very disciplined approach to cash flow planning and capital allocation throughout the company. And we have deprioritized any inorganic investments as well. We also are exploring other funding opportunities such as government funding in different locations that support either product development and/or local-for-local manufacturing and growth. So overall, we believe we have a very strong strategy with the funding in place to support our goals and deliver our plans. I'll now turn it back over to Randy for his closing comments. Thank you.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#10

Great. Thank you, Paul. And we're going to conclude with 2 summary slides. And I think the first point we'd like to make is we are growing our customer base, and there's diversification and resiliency that comes in that with the different vertical, the different geographic markets and the different customers. We're transitioning to a Power Products business. The stack cost reduction, basically baked, and now moving to module cost reduction as we move forward. And we're increasing our investments given the opportunity set we see and the competitive dynamics. Now I really want to leave you with 2 key takeaways. One is that the -- kind of macro environment is very supportive for the adoption of fuel cell technology. It's really based on 3 key things: constructive policy; low-cost low-carbon hydrogen is on the way; and strong customer interest. These are really 3 important critical things that shape the environment. These all new to the industry. And then secondly, I want to leave you with Ballard's competitive positioning. We're strongly positioned, I think, with sustainable competitive advantages. With the talent we have, with the technology and continued innovation, product development, with the road map, I think, for next-generation products and significant cost reduction, with the capacity that we're building to meet customer demand and with the capital that we have to invest against the opportunity set, I believe we have strong, sustainable competitive advantages and the Ballard brand continues to be the leader for fuel cell technology. With that, I'm going to invite Kate and David Mucciacciaro to come up and join Paul and I for a Q&A panel discussion.

Kate Charlton

executive
#11

Thank you, everyone, to our speakers. Thank you, Randy. Now we're going to open it up to Q&A. [Operator Instructions] So okay. Michael Glen.

Michael Glen

analyst
#12

Randy, maybe, first of all, you talked about being in China for 3 weeks and a lot of meetings over there. So are you able to give any insights into what you heard regarding the Weichai JV and how we should think about volumes coming out of that JV over the next, say, 5 to 10 years?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#13

Yes. So Michael, thanks for the question. I think the Weichai-Ballard joint venture is very well positioned currently for opportunities in Shandong province. We know there are 5 cluster regions. Weifang, which is where the JV is located, is in 1 of the 5 cluster regions, and we feel competitively positioned for that market. I think what we're looking to do with the Weichai-Ballard joint venture and with Ballard as well is how do we access the other cluster regions more effectively? And importantly, this isn't just related to the Weichai-Ballard JV, but more importantly, the industry in total is the availability of that low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen and hydro refueling stations. And I feel with the policy landscape that we have and the investments that we expect to see in renewable power, in hydrogen production, the scaling that will occur in electrolysis, there's no doubt in my mind, zero doubt, particularly based on the few weeks in China, that China will be the largest hydrogen market and the largest market for fuel cell vehicles by 2030. So I think that the plan always for Weichai-Ballard has been to be -- have the leading technology and leading products, both in terms of performance and cost for the long term. We expect it, clearly, to have a much higher volume ramp in the near- and midterm. That hasn't happened as expected. And I do think the complicated policy environment and the local government funding challenges post-COVID have exacerbated that. So no changes in strategy. I do want to highlight, actually walking through the Weichai-Ballard joint venture, to invite all of you to visit -- if you're in China and want to visit the JV. It's an extraordinarily impressive facility. To see it in person, and some of you here today will see a video of our Weichai-Ballard joint venture, we'll see if we can get that posted on the Internet for our viewers as well. It's an extraordinary facility. And I think Weichai deserves a lot of credit with some of the implementation of robotics and additional automation and the ability to produce 20,000 stacks and 20,000 fuel cell engines. I believe it's the largest manufacturing facility in the world. And at the same time, while bringing up that facility, optimizing the processes, we've also seen Weichai have a lot of muscle with supply chain. And that's going to help not only the Weichai-Ballard joint venture products, which we're seeing around 45% cost reduction for some of the supply chain we're seeing in China on the balance-of-plant components, then taking that learning and those opportunities to our global product offering as well. So I can't really give you a specific number on what we expect to see. The JV candidly doesn't have a significant backlog at this time. We're certainly working against that. And I think probably by the end of 2023, we'll be in a better position to provide an update on the sales outlook for the JV. I don't expect it to be materially like some type of step change this year or even in 2024. But we do see, particularly in Shandong province, where recently there was over 1,900 fuel cell buses and trucks that have been approved for deployment in Shandong province itself, we expect to get the JV to get the lion's share of those modules.

Michael Glen

analyst
#14

And just one more follow-up on China. With respect to the $130 million investment in Shanghai for the MEA facility. Can you give an update on some of the timing surrounding that capital spend?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#15

Yes. So let's be very clear. I think Mark profiled today that we are looking at the U.S. and European markets now. And I just want to contrast what's happened in the last year. Mark did a very effective job at this. On the one side, you've had delays and uncertainties in the China policies and you had a heightened geopolitical environment. And at the same time, you've seen policies emerge in the U.S. and Europe. They're supporting the adoption of hydrogen, supporting the adoption of fuel cell vehicles and supporting domestic manufacturing across the hydrogen and fuel cell value chain in the U.S. and Europe. So we are doing a comparative study in 2023, supported by Deloitte, that's looking at where should we be manufacturing in the U.S. market or in Europe. And then doing a comparative assessment against our plan of record for MEA localization in China to see whether that should be revisited. So that's effectively what we're doing. And the big question we're asking is with $130 million planned investment in the Shanghai MEA facility, and with all these variables, does that represent a disproportionate risk to our balance sheet? And I think we'll have a conclusion on that question in this comparative study by the end of 2023.

Kate Charlton

executive
#16

Okay. Rupert.

Rupert Merer

analyst
#17

So your cost reduction plans seem to be well on track, but you do need to build volume to recognize the benefit of that program. Can you talk about your pricing strategy? How do you plan to build up volumes over the next few years, and to -- say, how would you prioritize your volume versus gross margin?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#18

Yes. Maybe I'll start, and then I'll ask Dave to supplement. So I'd put the 2 things separate. So first of all, significant work going on product cost reduction. And then secondly, our pricing strategy. And our pricing strategy clearly has had an impact on our gross margin in 2022 and 2023. And what we saw in 2022 and 2023 is these customers wanting to develop or moving from development to demonstration or moving from demonstration to deployment, facing a very challenging circumstance in terms of the economic value proposition. And so our customers, still without an economic value proposition that's strong, saying, "We know that you're going to get there on costs. We know that you're investing in production capacity. We'd also like to see, together, us jointly investing to get these deployments out." So not just Ballard, but other partners in the ecosystem and the value chain have leaned forward on the cost structure effectively to see this transition to deployment. So it's still very early volumes, but the pricing strategy is really designed to help enable those customers. What we see, though, is as our cost reduction initiatives move to production, we start to see significant gross margin materialize. Clearly, selling prices are going to come down. But as Paul alluded to, our cost reduction initiatives will outpace selling price reductions. And so I think this is going to lead to a step change on the gross margin front. It's going to take a bit of time. Obviously, 2025, likely when we'll see that crossover. But I think this is critically important. In terms of just the overall pricing strategy, I would say, too, we're pricing to market certain conditions. And I think as we embed more value and looking at things like how do we optimize our fuel cells with the powertrain so that you're getting higher efficiency, longer durability, we have an opportunity for value pricing for customers that -- perhaps at a premium to others because we're delivering more value to the customer. I'll just turn it over to Dave to see if he wants to supplement.

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#19

Yes. I think, Randy, you articulated the point very well. I would just highlight that with the lower volumes currently, we have a pricing strategy with understanding that the value proposition for the OEM needs to be in the money as well. And we know that once that volume materializes and we execute our cost reduction strategy, we'll be in a position to have improved margins. And then again, Randy also brought up with our BMS, the acquisition and our ability to optimize the powertrain is a differentiator that would allow us to also price that in, not only to enable sales but also to enable pricing that will help our margins going forward.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#20

One other thing I'll add on pricing is that pricing is different in each vertical. And what I would say is that the transit operators have seen a -- unfortunately, hydrogen prices go the wrong direction over the last 16, 18 months, given the elevated cost of natural gas. And so that's impacted the value proposition there. We've had to think very carefully about that for the end customer. The other thing is that the truck market, we expect it to be a very competitive market for the long term. And so thinking about the pricing strategy, where we can add value and then making sure we're working down our costs and having the best total cost of use for an application is going to be critical for our pricing strategy.

Rupert Merer

analyst
#21

So a quick follow-up on that. When you're pricing, obviously, you need to be competitive with other fuel cell companies. Where do you think the competition is on its cost plan? Are they going to be able to match the plan that you put out over the next few years?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#22

Yes. So maybe I'll start and Dave, again, can supplement. Just in terms of the competition, I just want to highlight, of course, we're competing against incumbent technologies. We're competing against other zero-emission technologies like battery electric. And then we're competing against fuel cell -- pure-play fuel cell competitors. And it's important [Technical Difficulty] relative total cost of ownership, comparative total cost of ownership against both the legacy technologies and battery electric as we think about our pricing strategy. In terms of competition in the fuel cell space, I'd highlight here, you have, I would say, 2 auto manufacturers, Toyota and Hyundai, that are positioning to the heavy-duty motive market applications. And you're also seeing a number of Tier 1 automotive suppliers. And here, I'm thinking about companies like Bosch and Faurecia and Michelin and Linamar and MAHLE, a partner of ours, both Linamar and MAHLE, that are now looking at the opportunity to participate in this fuel cell market. And so we do see some competitors. I would highlight Bosch and Cummins as the 2 Tier 1 competitors that have offerings today. Candidly, I don't believe they're as mature as ours. It doesn't mean they're not aggressive on pricing. Because in the bus market, where we have over 70% market share in Europe and over 90% market share in North America, they're trying to penetrate those OEM accounts and trying to get the transit operators to come online with their technology. And so we have a very significant position in that marketplace. And so one of the ways they need to compete is to be aggressive on the pricing. There are a number of other players as well, some emerging competitors from China. Plug Power is looking not only at hydrogen, green hydrogen production and electrolysis and the forklift market, but also considering some of the heavy-duty motive market applications. We haven't seen them show up in a material way in terms of deployments, but they're there with pricing. Dave, anything you want to supplement?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#23

Just I think real quick, I mean, you brought up a couple of good points like pricing. The pricing dynamics across all the different verticals is unique. And we do see some competitive pricing from Cummins and from Bosch, really trying to take some of the market share that we've had. And we need to protect that, right, which is why the cost reduction activity that we're engaging is so very important. But we're confident that, again, we talked about this a lot in terms of the differentiators for Ballard versus the competition, the maturity of our products. It's not strictly a pricing decision. Of course, there needs to be a price in line with the market. We do believe some of these competitors are trying to take some of our market share, but we need to price at such that it's a value proposition that's somewhat in the money for the OEM and then just execute against our cost reduction strategy.

Kate Charlton

executive
#24

Take it, Rob.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#25

You had a good slide with the different platforms moving from development to demo to rollout. I think you had 31 customers. How are you seeing that maturation and movement in that? Is that speeding up? And how quickly can we see those development customers moving into the next stages?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#26

Yes. So I'll take this one on, if you don't mind, then, Randy, if you want to add anything. So yes, 31 customers currently, going from 13, 3 years ago. And there's a couple of key points to highlight, just to reiterate on that slide. When you look at the development stage, there's a number of customers, very well-known customers that's going to translate into revenue in the 2027 time frame. So we look at each section, each customer that's in each section, and we look at our record backlog from a products -- Power Products perspective. We think we're poised very well for continued growth both in the short term, the midterm and the long-term. I look at those 31s, and I would foresee that in the next year or 2 years, you're going to see a drastically higher number than 31. We're going to continue to progress going forward.

Kate Charlton

executive
#27

We'll take some questions from the online audience. So kind of going back to China. Could you specifically describe the risks that Ballard is facing in China as a result of today's geopolitical climate?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#28

Yes. I think this is an important issue. And one of the things that we've been seeing, observing really over the last 4 or 5 years but I would say, heightened in the last 12 months, is really this theme of decoupling. And we've studied this very carefully. And we believe the China and Western world economies are very interdependent and interrelated. And decoupling is not possible. There is some derisking that's occurring. And I think it's important to have manufacturing and supply chain resiliency. So in an event of geopolitical collapse and assets in China become non-addressable or supply chain in China becomes addressable, that you have an alternative. And so for us, we see the work we're doing with the Weichai-Ballard JV is specific to the China market. Ballard has the rights to use those modules and excess capacity for outside of China. But we are thinking very carefully about making sure we have appropriate capacity and supply chain outside of China, and to particularly focus on the European theater and North America.

Kate Charlton

executive
#29

We'll take another question from the online audience. So this is from Praneeth Satish at Wells Fargo. Can you elaborate on the trends you're seeing in the stationary power market? It seems like you're seeing traction here. Any feedback you've received from stationary power customers that are switching over to hydrogen? And additionally, can you comment on the competitive landscape for the stationary power market?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#30

Yes. So maybe I'll make a few comments and ask Dave to supplement here again and maybe tie in Rob Brown's question as well about the platform wins. I do think it's important to understand, it takes time to move from development to demonstration to deployment. And each vertical is different. I'll give you one example. We have a very large stationary project with a company called HDF. This project has been underway for many years. We have a -- we ship to them a 1.55-megawatt product. It's an impressive system. And that product goes to a renewable site, and they have renewable power they'll generate, they'll produce hydrogen. They'll then use our fuel cell system to take that hydrogen and regenerate it back into power as needed. And this relationship with HDF has been about a 6-year, 7-year relationship. This is the first major deployment. And it will take, in my opinion, another year or 2 for them to commission and validate that system. So different applications, even within our different segments, even within a vertical, can have different maturation times. I do think one of the things that we're seeing on the stationary power side -- and stationary's really surprised us to the upside. I mean, candidly, I was dismissive about the stationary power markets a number of years ago. And what was surprised us is really, the electrification theme is really stressing grids. And the congestion and resiliency in grids is something that I think leads to a number of applications where people want more secure power. And we're seeing this with data centers. We're seeing this ironically, with car recharging or vehicle recharging stations. And on the data center front, this is a massive market opportunity, the amount of renewables that are being dedicated to data centers. And their displacement of diesel technology over the next 10, 15 years, in my mind, it's going to be something that we need to find participation in that market. We're very fortunate to be partnered on a critical project with Caterpillar for Microsoft, which will be a demonstration of our technology in a critical data center backup application for Microsoft in Washington State. And again, it will take time for this to get validated. Caterpillar is a company that goes through a lot of testing, validation. Microsoft is a very sophisticated end-market customer. So it'll take time for this evolution. However, we're well positioned, I believe, with leading technology and now a real understanding of the market requirements in stationary power. Dave, anything to supplement?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#31

Yes. Just a couple of quick comments. So coming into Ballard 1 year ago with a fresh eyes approach. And my very first business trip was to Vertiv in Ohio. And to see the tremendous amount of potential with stationary, not understanding the historical context and the focus perhaps on mobility. It has completely surprised us in terms of the customer interest. And you have to break out stationary in a couple of segments. So there's small stationary, but there's really mid- and there's large stationary. And as I talked about in my presentation, we have the right product portfolio. The Megablock, which is 5 FCgen modules, together, one containerized solution, of which we're shipping this year to a customer, a very well-known customer, is the proof point that there's a lot of interest in that product going forward and substantial customer interest for future modules to be shipped, Megablock modules to be shipped in '24, '25 and beyond. Then the ClearGen, the 1.55-plus megawatt opportunity product that Randy mentioned with HDF, we're also seeing a lot of interest in that product for higher scale, large amounts of megawatt power. That's another area that has a significant amount of potential that could really drive revenue, really even through the latter half of this decade.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#32

And I want to punctuate the point again. We're in these different verticals: Bus; truck; rail; marine; off-road; stationary. We see -- as we look out at 2030, growth in all of these market segments contributing to a very resilient business model. I think we probably will see an upside on the stationary power market side compared to our current plan. And the interesting thing about a couple of these verticals, rail, marine and stationary, even off-road, those 4, is that, again, as Dave alluded to earlier, large systems. So you don't need the volume as you do in the bus and commercial truck market to get the same type of revenue in those large market opportunities.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

I'm going to oversimplify here, so stick with me on this. But if you think about your commercially available stacks and modules today, what of the 3x3 cost reduction initiatives are embedded in that cost structure today? And then sort of forgetting the scale-up efficiencies, what's going to be the difference in that product cost in that next generation? And what time frame should we expect to see that in actual sales for commercially available units?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#34

Sure. I'll start, and then I'll ask Kevin if you want to supplement it all at the podium, feel free. Just in terms of what's actually implemented today, I would say a very small portion is implemented today. We looked at -- we've implemented new materials. We are introducing new materials. We're introducing new production processes. You'll see some of those production processes today. Some of them have just been optimized, but very low volume going through the facilities today. So I would say a very low portion today. So you're going to see significant cost reduction in the 2025 time frame, particularly as the materials get through. We get through our existing products, and the inventory we have for those existing products, and start delivering new products with new materials and new processes.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

Yes. Great. Thanks. Paul, you've been pretty quiet, so maybe I'll ask you a question. In a -- $300 million of CapEx -- forget the time lines, forget the locations, but like, is it one MEA facility, maybe it's in China, U.S. or Europe? Like, what are the kind of big building blocks of that $300 million without getting into like too many specifics, I guess?

Paul Dobson

executive
#36

Yes. So I did reference in there that the $300 million, roughly 70% was for production, so call it $200 million, $210 million. So we have announced a MEA [ co ] and also a plate manufacturing line. We were also looking then at assembly facilities in one of the geographies as well, which will take up [ the lion's share ] part of that capital allocation. And then the balance, roughly 30% is all around product development, so test stations as more products are developed. We want to make sure we have the test stations and test them thoroughly, other equipment needed in the lab for testing and for development, and a small envelope of capital then for ERP systems and IT. I should mention too, I think it's worthwhile, because we do sometimes get the question about, are we overspending, are we too far ahead of where the sales are? A lot of these platform customers, it's really important for them not only to understand our technology and how it works in their product, but they want to make sure that we have the scale or will have the scale. Because they're talking about not buying 10 products, we're talking about thousands. And we have to be able to convince them, and these are very sophisticated buyers. You have to be able to convince them that we have credible plans to be able to manufacture at the volumes and support their programs, aftermarket, well into the future. Otherwise, there's no point in them interacting with us, right? So having those credible investments in place and being able to discuss that with them is extremely important.

Kate Charlton

executive
#37

Okay. Another question from the audience.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#38

Thanks, Kate. So maybe a natural little segue here. So with respect to your move to simplify your product line, can you just maybe walk us through like how your thinking evolved in order to kind of come to this decision? And in terms of time and investing resources in order to lay this out, just maybe if you could give us a little bit more color on this transition.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#39

Sure. And Mircea, I might ask you to supplement as well, if you want to, you can use the podium. So I think what's important to understand is that we basically mapped the different verticals. What the requirements, particularly the power requirements are for those different verticals. And with that, we said, okay, how can we rationalize our product suite going forward, so that we cover as much market as possible with as few products as possible? And so a significant amount of work, this was about a year of effort to conclude on this. And the conclusion was, these 4 products that Mircea had profiled earlier, where we'll have small, medium, large and extra-large. And the fact that we design them with modularity. So then you can put them together and also even within a product, there's some flexibility on how far up and down the power curve that product can go. So I think a lot of effort went into this, including not just what does that mean from a stack perspective, but are there any limitations known or that need to be worked on from a balance-of-plant component perspective in order to achieve that type of rationalization? I think if you look at the diesel engine industry as an example, they have engines for all sizes, and that's the result of 100 years of work, right? I think what you see in the battery industry, as well as the competitive fuel cell landscape is more of this modularity approach. I think 50 years and 100 years out, when no one will remember what diesel was, and we're talking about fuel cells, I expect we'll have a much broader portfolio at Ballard at that time. But this is the right approach from a capital efficiency perspective, to cover as much of the market as possible from a vertical and geographic market perspective with modularity and flexibility within the power output ranges.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

And then maybe just a quick follow-up. So you think you'll be able to maintain that value-add customization aspect of your business while also kind of simplifying and getting the benefits of the standardization?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#41

Yes. I don't think there's a customization approach we're taking now, and there certainly won't be one in the future. It very much is focused on standardized core products that have the durability -- safety, durability, reliability and cost dynamics that meet the market requirements. So a lot of effort goes into assessing the market requirements. And this has been very dynamic over the last couple of years. And I think customers are still trying to understand what the market and customer requirements are. So we take those market requirements, we translate them to product requirements and develop a road map against those product requirements. So I don't know if there's anything additional. Dave, you want to add?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#42

No, I think you've summed that up perfectly. The only other thing that I would say is, again, that Here for Life, the mantra for Ballard, and we're going to continue to support our customers, make sure they have the right products and then support them from a service perspective and training and all that goes with that. Again, another key differentiator versus our competition.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#43

I just want to highlight one important point. We've touched on it in a couple of ways, but I'm not sure it was clearly stated. So we acquired Arcola Energy, now Ballard Motive Solutions. The clear strategy there is twofold. Number one is to help customers that don't have in-house capabilities to take a fuel cell engine and integrate it into their powertrain, integrate it into their vehicle to help them accomplish that. We have an example this year of a European-based bus OEM that has retained BMS to do just that. They didn't have the in-house capabilities. In some cases they have the capabilities, but perhaps their tasked doing other things. So that's number one. Number two is a very exciting and potentially high-value outcome for Ballard. And this is where we look at how do we optimize the hybrid architecture of batteries and fuel cells for a powertrain? And how do we effectively prescribe to the customer, based on their duty cycle and load profile and climatic conditions, all the stuff that Marc's loading into the TCU. How do we prescribe to the customer which modules should you have? How should that be operated? What's the operating strategy for that module and the battery pack and the DC/DC converter? So effectively, what you want is to operate the vehicle in a way, to operate the technologies in a way that don't stress and present failure modes to the technology. So how can you, for example, avoid deep states of discharge on the battery? How can you avoid running a fuel cell at high power output for extended periods of time? So by optimizing this approach, what we see is higher efficiency, which translates to better fuel economy and better overall TCU. And we see higher durability, both for the battery pack and for the fuel cell, which again, leads to better TCU. And really providing more value to customers than companies that don't have that optimization approach.

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#44

And I would even just add to that, on some of our mature existing customer base, there is opportunities to optimize further the battery and the fuel cell. And I know Mircea, we're working a lot towards further improvement, and it's just another way in which we can add some value to our customers.

Kate Charlton

executive
#45

Okay. We'll go back to the online viewers, and we have a question from Greg Wasikowski. Kind of going back to the stationary power market and the different value propositions between fuel cell electric and battery electric vehicles. Can you compare and contrast the infrastructure benefits or drawbacks between electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles? Essentially, what are the grid constraints versus availability of hydrogen fuel infrastructure?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#46

I love this question. I love this question. A few years ago, we were talking about tip of the pyramid issues or tip of the iceberg issues, I'll call it. So above the surface, we've been talking about the relative advantages of range and refueling and payload, these type of aspects. Below the surface, we have a number of other variables that are critically important. So what's your cost of energy? And importantly, what's the certainty of your cost of energy? I think one of the things the hydrogen industry is going to be able to deliver is not only low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen, but deliver it at a certain rate. So if you think about if you have electrical input, you've got renewable energy, you can take that with a PPA at a fixed rate. You take your fixed capital costs, including your electrolyzers. You convert to hydrogen. Now you can offer to a customer a fixed hydrogen rate. And to me, that's a compelling advantage compared to the volatility of traditional oil, natural gas supplies. So that's one other aspect below the surface that I think hasn't been fully appreciated yet. Then you have the challenges of scaling infrastructure. And this was dramatically punctuated to me when I visited transport -- sorry, TFL in London. They operate 9,000 buses in London. They typically have yards or depots with about 100 buses per yard or depot, all inside the city confines. And you introduce one battery electric bus. You need a recharging station for that. It's a long recharge cycle. But what happens when you take 30 or 50 or 100 buses at that yard and they're all battery-recharged? So now they're coming into the yard at different states of discharge, they're completely disrupting the operating model, which before, first bus in would diesel refuel, get a wash, go to the back of the yard. First in, would be last out in the morning. Now they're coming in different states of discharge and effectively need to have different times for recharging. You need to have a number of recharging stations and maybe you need a $5 million substation located beside the yard, because where it's located, there's congestion already on the grid. Transmission and distribution didn't contemplate high-voltage recharging of 100 buses. So this is the type of dynamics I think we're going to see. And so on the recharging or refueling infrastructure debate, it's very clear that as you scale up recharging for battery electric, it becomes more complicated and more costly. In low volumes, I think it's more compelling from a recharging infrastructure than hydrogen. But as you scale up, 50, 100-plus buses or trucks or large trains and marine vessels that consume significant fuel, now you're talking about recharging or refueling infrastructure that heavily favors hydrogen. Once you have your production of hydrogen and that hydrogen is delivered to site, you have your storage and your refueling infrastructure on site. It's very easy to incrementally add storage and dispensing. That's a sharp contrast with the scaling implications of recharging networks. The other aspects below the iceberg surface is sustainability. And as you look at the value chain for critical minerals, rare earth metals, you think about recycling at end of use, you think about as well the security of where some of these materials are from a geopolitical perspective and where the processing of these materials are from a geopolitical perspective. I think there's a very strong favoring of hydrogen from an ecosystem perspective. And the last thing I'll comment on below the surface that hasn't been discussed is really the cost reduction advantages that fuel cell technology has over battery electric. Battery electric has been significantly cost reduced. A battery pack, 70% of the battery pack is rare earth precious metals: nickel; lithium; manganese cobalt; et cetera. By contrast, a small fraction of fuel cell engines, less than 8%, are platinum and precious metals. So we have a much higher opportunity without the dynamic volatility of that rare earth precious metal supply chain to drive costs down. So I think when you factor all these things together, coming back again to above-the-surface: range; refueling time; payload; et cetera, there is a very compelling argument for hydrogen. And our view is that both will play a role. We're going to have green electrons and green molecules to decarbonize mobility applications.

Kate Charlton

executive
#47

So thanks to Greg. He already submitted a follow-up question. So the follow-up is why should we have more confidence in hydrogen developing versus the grid improving?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#48

Yes. I think one of the things that we're going to see happen between now and 2025 and 2030 is that the supply of hydrogen is going to surprise well to the upside. And when you go back to the so-called experts, including the IEA and others that forecasted was going to happen for uptake in solar and wind and battery electric and got them all wrong. They underestimated market adoption. And I think we're going to see the same thing happen with hydrogen. And I can tell you, just based on meetings with participants across the value chain, the ecosystem, the Hydrogen Council, there is tremendous activity occurring, not just on renewables, but on the development of hydrogen projects in the U.S. and in other markets, not just Europe and China, but in Chile, in the Middle East, in Australia. A number of markets like Canada that are investing for green hydrogen production and the scaling effect that will occur by 2030. The current forecast, 160 gigawatts by 2030, I think we'll all look back at 2030 with a much higher number realized, wondering why the estimates were so low. And so that, in my mind, is going to be the key differentiator. And again, this is low-cost, low-carbon hydrogen in this -- particularly in the U.S. market, $3 PTC for green hydrogen is a massive enabler for these initial projects to get off the ground. And for availability of that hydrogen to green, gray hydrogen industrial applications and for incremental hydrogen supply for mobility applications, and I think we're going to see a pivot to cement and steel and other applications long term as well.

Kate Charlton

executive
#49

Going back to the online questions coming through. Looking at emerging markets, which segments do you see as most promising for the so-called segments: construction; mining; agriculture; or others?

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#50

Yes. So we touched on First Mode, as an example, with 35 modules and 23, and then the 60 modules on the retrofit of 400 mining trucks. So I would, first and foremost, say just that alone on mining is going to drive tremendous revenue. I think from a construction perspective and the work that we're doing together with a very strong partner, Caterpillar, also has a lot of opportunity and some merit for success there. And then we're also talking about material handling. We're working with a couple of very large material handling customers, and even perhaps the light commercial duty market. I know we have slightly different opinions perhaps on that. But there are a lot of RFQs and a lot of interest that's going on in that segment, and we'll see how that progresses.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#51

So I want to punctuate the mining market opportunity. This is very compelling. 7.5% of all global emissions annually come from the mining sector. About 3% of that, so almost half is coming from vehicles used in mining. And mining haul trucks are a significant portion. And just the 400 vehicles from Anglo American Platinum is a massive market opportunity for Ballard by itself. But look at all the other mining companies that are now talking about hydrogen and looking at hydrogen. Their emissions are probably top of mind for their ESG investors. And this is the -- I would say, the primary way they can help address a significant portion of those emissions.

Kate Charlton

executive
#52

Going back to more of the online questions. Can you describe or provide an overview of the warranties and service-related obligations as you enter into an increasingly high number of deployments? So kind of going to more of the service and warranty side of the business.

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#53

Yes. I'll give a response and then maybe Mark or Randy, if you want to add anything. So number one, we have specific warranties and obligations that we quote to our individual customers. The warranty and the service durations are different for each vertical. And the customers also get an opportunity to extend the warranty and pay for a longer length of service of the warranty. The other aspect that I'd like to comment on, as we look at all these customer platforms and the substantial increase in the number of customers and also the diversification from a regional perspective, we're significantly expanding our aftermarket sales group to be able to support our individual customers in each region for each one of our different segments.

Randall MacEwen

executive
#54

Maybe just to add, we spend a lot of time at Ballard because we have such rich data. With 3,500 vehicles in operation with Ballard technology, over 150 million kilometers of on-road service, we get a lot of data, and that informs our warranty model. So we're very prudent, first of all, on setting warranty commitments. Secondly, as we think about service longer-term, I want to use one of our customers as a really good example. And I'll get the numbers wrong, but they're directionally right. So if you look at someone like New Flyer, maybe 20% of their revenue is from service, but more than half of their profitability comes from service. And so this is the type of model we see, not in 2030, but 2035, 2040 as real volume gets out into the marketplace, that we start to see replacement parts and components, service really adding to our gross margin -- not just our revenue stream, but our gross margin profit pools as we look forward.

Kate Charlton

executive
#55

Another question from the audience.

Michael Glen

analyst
#56

Hey Randy. If we think about Europe and we go back to that 2020 time frame when they put together these hydrogen plans that were very detailed and spoke about a lot of electrolyzer capacity increase, a lot of green hydrogen coming to market, it just doesn't feel like a lot of this has happened as was originally intentioned. So from where you sit now, like thinking about Europe in particular because that's where there were these very well-defined plans, what gives you the degree of confidence that we're now going to hit that inflection and start to see this capital come around to scale up this green hydrogen production?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#57

Yes. It's a good observation. And what I would say was really challenging European hydrogen project developers was the definition of green hydrogen. And capital wants to invest knowing that the policies and the -- whether it's tax, treatment or whether it's subsidies, that they are going to be available. And so I think the -- about 2 months ago, Europe announced the definition of this green hydrogen or renewable hydrogen. And so to me, that is a big unlock for the European market that we've been waiting on for some time. The other thing I would comment on is, yes, it's been delayed. But it's also been accelerated. And what I mean by that is Europe originally had plans. They were already aggressive with REPowerEU. And over the last 16 months, with energy security at top of mind, they now have increased their plans for low-carbon hydrogen for 2030. And also added to that, that a portion of that needs to be domestically produced in Europe as well. So having some supply chain resiliency.

Rupert Merer

analyst
#58

In the past, you've talked about using M&A to enter into parallel markets or to access capabilities to help your customers. Are you still looking at any opportunities, do you have a pipeline of M&A potential?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#59

Yes. I'll make a few comments, and then Paul can follow-up as well. What we've seen in the last 12 months is quite a change in the macroeconomic outlook. Quite a change in the geopolitical environment, quite a change in the ability of companies to raise capital. And with that, we thought it was prudent to deprioritize corporate development activities and effectively make sure we have the balance sheet strength to execute against the strategy on products, manufacturing capacity expansion, product cost reduction that's been outlined here today. So could we engage in an M&A opportunity? Yes, but that would have to be very strategic and would have to have positive implications for our economic model and financial model, including our cash position. So right now, deprioritizing opportunities on the corporate development front. The other thing I would comment on, is we actually made quite a few investments in 2020 and 2021, including our acquisition of Arcola that I referenced earlier, including an investment in a key partner for sea power and a couple of hydrogen infrastructure funds. And so one of the objectives for 2023 and likely into 2024 is to make sure we're harvesting value from those investments. Paul, anything you want to add?

Paul Dobson

executive
#60

No, I think that really covered it. I mean you look at what is available, what companies and what sort of -- match that with what we need as a company, whether it's manufacturing or product development. There simply aren't a lot of companies out there that they're doing it better than we think we can do it ourselves. And combine that with what expectations are in valuation, as well as their funding position, it isn't just the initial investment. It is probably subsequent rounds as well. It comes together to say, we think if we can do it better ourselves and more efficiently, more efficient use of capital, we're much more likely to do that. To Randy's point, though, that's not to say never. But I would say, to find something that lines up with what we need at the right value that's already generating cash is probably unrealistic or unlikely to happen.

Rupert Merer

analyst
#61

So hydrogen supply is improving, but the chicken-and-egg problem is still a problem. How do you help your customers to find the fuel that they need? Are you active with other supply or suppliers of hydrogen fuel? Or do you consider getting involved in any offtakes in the future for hydrogen fuel as an example?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#62

Yes. So to be clear, where we are in the value chain is we design and manufacture fuel cell engines. We sell those typically to the vehicle OEMs or the stationary power markets, to systems integrators or to end users. Typically, when we're selling an engine to a vehicle OEM, that vehicle OEM is then selling a bus or a truck or a train like Siemens to an end user. And so we are a couple of steps removed from the conversation with the end customer on hydrogen supply. What I would say again is that we focus on the market opportunities initially, where you need only centralized or point-to-point refueling rather than a hydro refueling infrastructure. And many of the end users, like transit operators, like transit fleet operators for commercial trucks, like operators of trains, they already have the capability to procure fuel or have on-site refueling infrastructure. It's already within their capability set and competency. What they need to do is translate that competency to a new fuel. And many of them have learned how to do that with natural gas and with other fuels as well. So we are very rarely asked to provide hydrogen refueling infrastructure support given our value chain positioning. That being said, we're very active in the ecosystem. So we're partners with all of the industrial hydrogen gas companies, think about Linde and Air Liquide as two -- or Air Products as illustrative examples. Partners with all of the major energy players, think about Shell and Engie and Total and BP and Chevron, many of them who are now -- used to be oil and gas companies and all of a sudden are molecule companies. So we're seeing a lot of different players enter this market. And to be clear, we are not putting any capital to work and have no plans to be an energy company. We think you need to have deep pockets and real EPC capabilities in order to -- and the ability to have infrastructure to support that. That's not our business model. But we are partnering with the ecosystem. And many of the customers that we -- end customers, end users are already capable at talking to those counterparties directly.

David Mucciacciaro

executive
#63

I would just add that -- and Nicolas, our Vice President of Marketing and Strategic Partnerships, you and your group do a very good job. I don't know if you want to add anything in terms of helping some of our newer customers get access to the availability of hydrogen that can help support their transitions.

Nicolas Pocard

executive
#64

Yes, that's a really good point. So we have a team, call it market development or market activation team, where we go to the end user. So we talk to transit operators, to truck operators and help them to deploy their fuel cell vehicle. And I think it's very important because we want to educate them that there is an alternative to buy an electric vehicle, to buy an electric to bus, for example. And the first question they ask us is, where do I get hydrogen? How do I deploy infrastructure? So we have created that network of partnership with hydrogen refueling station, with hydrogen provider, with company who are doing studies on how do you put your depot to norms or to certification so it can handle the maintenance on the fuel cell buses. So we have this network, we have a list of references, of contacts per region, per application. So we help the end user in order to remove this kind of a major adoption barriers.

Kate Charlton

executive
#65

Excellent. We just have time for one more question. Randy, could you talk a bit more about the assumptions in the updated total addressable market calculations? And is this contemplating a revenue perspective or income perspective over the coming years?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#66

Yes. One of the interesting things about the total addressable market is we didn't provide a number for stationary power, which is a massive market, as everyone knows. What I would say is that the total addressable market, as we think about the market size and then think about what does that mean for electrification? What does that mean for fuel cell electrification? What does that mean for Ballard's participation at fuel cell electrification? One of the things I think we did was we were very conservative, in my opinion, on the fuel cell assumption as well as Ballard's market share. So to me, those would be the areas where I see some upside. Where I see some potential risk is the timing. Does the market develop as fast as we would expect it to develop? Stationary is a good one, for example. So the 23 TAMs could be pulled in a little bit. They could also be pushed out a little bit. So in my mind, the variability would be more around the timing, as opposed to the values.

Kate Charlton

executive
#67

Excellent. Well, that wraps up our Q&A session. Randy, do you have any closing remarks before we wrap things up?

Randall MacEwen

executive
#68

It's been a, I think, hopefully, an instructive time here for you. Our objective was really to provide really, an increased or enhanced understanding, increased transparency on Ballard's business, and also an opportunity for you to see the -- a number of the Ballard executive team members. Thanks again to those joining virtually. And again, special appreciation to the covering analysts joining us here in person today. And we look forward for those here today to a tour of our impressive facilities here at Ballard in the Greater Vancouver area.

Kate Charlton

executive
#69

Excellent. Thank you very much.

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