Banco do Estado do Rio Grande do Sul S.A. ($BRSR6)

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Banrisul's video conference to discuss the results for the first quarter of 2026. This video conference is being recorded and the replay can be accessed in our Investors Relations website a few hours after the event. Furthermore, I'd like to remind you that we have simultaneous translation into English. [Operator Instructions] Today's event will be divided into 3 parts. The first, our President and CEO, Mr. Fernando Lemos will talk about the main highlights of this quarter. Next, our CFO and Director, Mr. Gonzaga, will present in greater detail the main figures and performance for the quarter. Last but not least, we finish with our traditional Q&A session with our market analysts. The presentation we'll give today will be available for download in the chat of this platform and it is also available on our IR website. So now I'd like to give the floor over to our President, so we can start our event. The floor is yours, Mr. President. Thank you.

Thank you, Nathan. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for your presence. Before we start talking about the results, I would like to present some analysis. We are reaching 2 years and so of our management. I'd like to talk about everything that has been done and how we see Banrisul today. 2.5 years ago, 2 years and so ago, when I got here, we had some concerns at first, first, the mismatch of over BRL 20 billion in our funding and credit portfolios. Then we managed to equate this financially and we are about BRL 4 billion. And this alone gives us peace of mind because the bank can continue without further concern regarding the interest rates. Another concern has to do with labor issues that were a major concern, like wage lawsuits about the 17th and 18th hour. So we had 2 main issues at the time. First, as the labor suits had been characterized commission rules -- roles, it was over time. And then we had labor suit liabilities, which is registered in our records. And then we had been working with the trade unions, we managed to reduce it to 6 hours. And then we solved the main -- the root cause of this issue. So regarding this labor issue, which was very tough for the bank and hurt the balance equity and balance sheet was solved, We managed to equate this for the future. In this year, we have already disclosed that we reached a very important agreement with around 40% of the employees involved in this labor suit. So we have reached an agreement which will be ratified by the Rio Grande do Sul labor justice in the next few days, which places us in a much better position for the past -- for the next few months. So we will not have major concerns regarding labor lawsuits with the bank. This gives us security and safety and shows us that we are in the right path. Now we have to accelerate our credit granting. And at the time, our -- the leverage of our bank, it was too much leverage in the rural portfolio. We have managed that and we do not have major problems regarding that anymore. Although Rio Grande do Sul has gone through 3 droughts and flood event, now our rural portfolios are well managed, no bigger concerns. Now one of our major concerns at the time, which we could advance but it was a little bit worse, was the debt of the population, the households of Rio Grande do Sul. It's a little bit above the national average and we have protective just regarding consumers and around 40% of that suits are in Rio Grande do Sul, which has hurt our -- I mean, the scenario and the screenshot for this first quarter, the figures for this first quarter. But what gives us peace of mind for the institution was these changes we have implemented that caused some issues. And we also made the fundings that were necessary to maintain the capitals -- the bank capitals. We liquidated external bonds and we performed some internal operations. Our fundings, as you know, continues very strong as shown, as traditional Rio Grande do Sul. Our funding is very strong in this state. We have a lot of money in the treasury department as we will see later, what we can advance and we get rid of problems regarding Selic interest rate and default rate above the expectation, new players coming to the market. So there is some confusion regarding the scenario now, the banking scenario now but I think we will be clear in the near future. The results was a little bit behind what we imagined for this quarter but we have peace of mind regarding the near future, the future for the next few years of Rio Grande do Sul. We are pretty satisfied with the actions we have taken. The screenshot could have been a little better now but we are not afraid because the foundations and the bases are very strong. We have invested in our IT, which were lagging. We managed to do that. We have been implementing some important IT changes, which will give us more speed and will help us contain administrative costs and gain productivity. This was the first idea. It's like a screenshot of what we have done in the past 2 years to clear the pathway for the institution. Now we need to grow in credit, in assets, in corporate and individuals, too. And the individuals, we want them -- this portfolio to be less dependent on the payroll loans to increase our profitability. We have increased or improved our rates already because we have been applying our resources in the lines which have better spreads. Another issue that we dealt with was the payroll. We had a very long period in our state payroll loan portfolio is very heavy. And then regarding the ones that had margins and very long periods or maturity dates led to an increased debt by public servants. And now we are managing this portfolio. The state has reduced this rate, this number of month for 84 months and 35% of the limit of the net income that can be used for the loan. So we have done, I mean, we have increased our spread for this portfolio. And the payroll deductible loans for INSS continues. And we have the new CLT payroll deductible loans. We have initiated this with caution because the rules were not so clear before. But now we will start working more with this portfolios. Our way -- I mean, the way we do things is to do things safely, trying to increase the portfolios but with safety. In real estate, we do not have funding because savings are lower and lower with the new rules defined by the federal government and the federal bank are not so well understood and Selic interest rate at 15% makes things harder. We are sorry about that because we like civil construction because it can generate income, it can generate jobs. And this day, we had -- this year, we had a good crop, which were a little bit depressed by prices due to the wars and the war in the Middle East. But the -- we -- the crops were good for the producers, which helps the state economy because they depend a lot on this crops and how successful they are for commerce and services. We still see some important challenges ahead but we absolutely believe our instruments and our macro policies within the institution gives us peace of mind to continue growing in our institution. Thank you, Nathan. Thank you very much for your participation. We remain available.

Thank you, Mr. President. Now moving on to our second session. Well, let me ask Mr. Gonzaga. He will talk about the figures for this quarter.

Good afternoon, everyone. Now moving on with our presentation. Let me introduce to you the results for this first quarter. We had BRL 221.6 million in net income, a slight decrease regarding the first quarter of '25 of 8.2% decrease. ROAE of 7.9%, a slight decrease of 1.4 percentage points regarding the first quarter of '25. In our loan portfolio, we had a slightly growth of 1.3% with BRL 64.3 billion. There were some migrations, internal migrations, a slight reduction in rural and real estate credit and increase in the commercial portfolios for companies and also foreign exchange. Funding had BRL 111.3 billion, a growth of 13%. In this period, in this first quarter, we've had a reduction in the funding portfolio of $300 million due to a liquidation of external business we had. Our net interest income was BRL 1.7 billion, 12.5% growth based on the higher profitability of corporate portfolio, too. We had cost of risk to 1.9%, an increase of 0.4% regarding the first quarter of '25. In administrative expenses, we had BRL 1 billion (sic) [ BRL 1.2 billion ], increase of 6.4% year-on-year. Later, I will talk about human resources and other expenses that helped that or are in line with inflation and led to this figure. Next, we will talk about profitability in our result, BRL 241.5 million in the first quarter '25 versus BRL 221.6 million in the first quarter of '26. we had a small decrease of 8.2%. In the past quarter of '25 was outside the curve. So you are not considering this because we know that there were some adjustments, the end of the year adjustments. ROAE, I'll show you 7.9% in this first quarter. In December of '25, it's -- was outside of the curve. It doesn't make part of the average. It was well above the deliverables Banrisul makes every quarter. Well, our net interest income has been good in the year, year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter, 12.5% growth year-on-year. And if you compare the fourth quarter of '25 with the first quarter of '26, we had a performance of 7.3% increase in our net interest income based on the more profitable portfolios based on credit and loans. Now loan portfolios. In the year, we've had a slight increase of 1.3%. And in the quarter, if we compare to the first quarter of '25, we had a decrease of 1.1%. Individuals portfolio, we had a decrease of 2.5% and 1.4% in the quarter, notably in the payroll, the deductible loan. For this loan, we had a state payroll loan portfolio. It hasn't shown any growth. So this amount doesn't reach the changes made by the state but this is good for the bank. It's good for the market. It has reduced the margin. So our portfolio is taking time to grow but the quality of this portfolio increases every day. So this reflects on the portfolio margin. In the NS -- INSS loans, we have an operation that is open sea all over Brazil. It's a very good payroll loan for INSS. But with the changes in INSS and operating changes, I would say that we have a low margin for the people who sign these loans. We are partially replacing these loans. In companies, in corporate portfolio, we had a growth of -- in working capital of almost 15 points -- percentage points which can leverage the profitability of the portfolio. For companies, year-on-year, it was 14.9% and quarter-on-quarter, minus 0.7%. There is some delinquency but it doesn't hurt the portfolio. Even overdraft checks, it doesn't change. I mean the volatility of the interest rate doesn't change this because the market has a very good margin with a small depreciation in terms of delinquency. But it's part of the game. We need to know how to operate on this market. I'm really love this type of market. Some people don't like it -- don't like to deal with this loans but I do. In terms of asset quality, you see on the left, the first graph, you can see that we can -- we want to be really clear. It will be in line if we still had the [ 26 82 ]. So we would go from a delinquency rate of 2.2% in March '26, I mean and then we would reach 3.2%. This was the growth in delinquency rate for over 90 days. But this difference you can see there is 0.7% moving on to 1.6% from March '25 to March '26. So this accumulated amount in the portfolio that can be written off. So we reached this 1.6%, which gives a total of 4.8% in delinquency rate due to 18 months that it's in the portfolio and then written off before the 24th month. In the -- on your right, you can see 1.9%, our cost of risk with written off credits. We have in net provision expenses and cost risk, we have BRL 542.5 million in cost of risk. And then finally, on your left below, you see we have a larger amortization of written off credits based on the 4,966 regulation. And the coverage ratio, if you have 1.6% in the portfolio, we accumulate this written off credits and then you have a reduction in the coverage ratio for this credit. It reached 145.4% in March '26. Then we have Tiers 1, 2 and 3, Stages 1, 2 and 3, 98% is in Stage 1, over 90%, 91.8%, very good, very robust and healthy figures. Stage 2, 1.4%. It's a smaller portfolio but it does have a coverage of 1.4% and 6.8% in Stage 3 of the portfolio. What it means is that we are elongating this 18 months to 24 months and then we accumulate this in Stage #3. So we accumulate this credits in Stage 3 and they -- this percentage gets an increase as time goes by. Maybe next year, in 2027, these numbers will -- this curve will have some reduction because what entered in January '26 will be written off in June '27 and then successively. And the trend of this curve used to have a very low move or movements that are very low in over 90 days with problematic assets, which were carried out given the 49 62 (sic) [ 4,966 ] regulations but it's written off every month, most of this credits, most of this assets. And then you have coverage by stage, Stage 1 is 1.4%, in the beginning, as we hired the portfolio. We have this according -- you have to take the regulations into account. Stage 2, 29.9% (sic) [ 22.9% ] and Stage 3, 68.7%. We reach -- by the time we reach the 18 month, we put together the provisioning necessity for this portfolio. And then it will be 100% provision. This is why we reached 68.7%. This shows there is a protection for our portfolios in Stages 1, 2 and 3. We are very careful with this portfolio in order to protect our credit and our loans. In terms of administrative expenses, we had some wage agreements, retirements and then we had the wage agreement and there is this administrative expenses a little below inflation, 6.4% globally. These are the open administrative expenses per line, as you can see on the screen. We need to be really careful about them, and we are. Now coming to our service fees, December is a special month. We have the [indiscernible] revenue. There is more revenue coming from this. So you can see the revenue was above the average in December '25. And then in the first quarter of '26, there is -- it comes back to the average with a slight increase of 0.7%. We have cards, accounts, insurance, consortium and other revenues or sources of revenues. Consortium was an accumulation of revenues, which was accounted for in December 2025. So there was this decrease but we are talking about BRL 4 million. So this revenue was provisioned for. It doesn't hurt the global figure. In terms of funding, we have a good performance. We are talking about a growth of 13% increase quarter-on-quarter. If we compare Q1 '25 to Q1 '26 by December '25 versus March '26, there was a recovery of [ BRL 1.7 billion ] that we had for capital Level 2. We had a funding -- Level 2 funding last year of BRL 1.850 billion. And then I will be explaining this in the Basel ratio. In the press our CEO mentioned in our [indiscernible] of our assets portfolio and indexed and pre-fixed portfolio based on CDI, interbank deposit certificates. We have been working on this. We have been growing in this pre-fixed portfolios to adjust the balance of the bank, the liabilities and the assets and maintain the financial margin of our operations, the net interest income without being surprised by any increase in interest rate. It's good when interest rates go down but we have to be prepared for when they grow up -- go up. The assets under management, we have a good performance, especially pension funds in Rio Grande do Sul and also products related to fixed income and corporate clients who like this products, good remuneration. Our funding has shown good performance and we have a good control in terms of short-term and long-term funding, it's around 24 months. So it's pretty sustainable with a very good and friendly pricing. In terms of capital, we've had, I mean, December is outside the curve but there was this recovery to be made in January of this $300 million bond. But then we have a Basel ratio of 17.5% in the Level 1 with 14.1%, very comfortable too. We are a fixed income bank. So in terms of funding, as we can see, we have Basel ratio that is safe. We have room to increase in credits and loans. We have cash flow, liquidity too and room to grow in credits and loans. We had LFSN of BRL 1.85 billion and bond redemption around $300 million in -- which was recovered in Tier 2. That's what I had to share with you. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Gonzaga. Thank you, Mr. Lemos. And let's start our Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Lets start and opening to Ricardo Buchpiguel from BTG Pactual.

On one hand, in the call, you said the long-term strategy involves growing in more profitable lines, is really lines that carry more risk. But given the initial comments on cost of risk, which are a little worse, especially individuals portfolio, are you reducing your appetite for credits, postponing the revenues that can come from this long-term strategy? And what about the scenario, which was -- which is more challenging? Can you help us -- can you give us more color about this strategy and the potential for a default rate peak or in terms of margin because the delinquency rate was around BRL 700 million in this period. So can you give us more -- a better idea on that?

Thank you, Ricardo, for your question. Well, regarding growth in our portfolio, we have room to grow in small and medium-sized businesses. We still have a margin that has good potential to grow. And the idea is to do that by adding Vero and receivables. Today, we have Banrisul Pagamentos. Not many banks have this type of companies. We have been exploring that in the market to make our portfolios grow. So the -- we have a partnerships with receivables to bring receivables into the bank, which will assure us to have a better and more qualified portfolio. We are -- we can also think about expanding our bases. We have our bases that have a potential to leverage our loans, our credits. We had a decrease in payroll loans, as mentioned before, in the year of around 10% based on the regulations that were changed in the state or by the state and that changed the product itself. It will take 1.5 years or 2 years for us to see and then we'll have the opportunity to grow again because there was a reduction in maturity rate -- maturity time and also around 10%. In terms of non-payroll loans, there was a growth of 10% with personal credit overdraft and -- products and the bank still have room to grow in credit cards for individuals, portfolios and that's why we've been doing remodeling these portfolios. Regarding the delinquency rate, we expect this rate to have reached its peak. Maybe we still have some advancements in the future but we do not believe there will be another peak or significant growth because the crop -- crops in general, in Rio Grande do Sul, they were good. There is a depreciation in terms of price, which is below the expectation but the supply chain is doing very well. And we can see based on the figures of April, there will be some help from that. There will be better figures coming from that. We have also restructured our collection area and we are finishing 2 -- we'll have 2 companies of call centers in our digital platforms to help us with collections. We are still working on the bidding process for that. We have the biggest client representing 30% of this 20 largest one, we have already dealt with in April. This is a very diversified portfolio with small amounts, which demands a lot of hands, a lot of people to regularize. Desenrola Brasil, which is a federal program will help us do that. We have many clients looking for this Desenrola new program will be joining this federal program and we are working with Banco do Brasil and UFT to work on that. Regarding Pronet program, there was a change with an expansion in the amount per company up to BRL 500,000 and then we'll take advantage of these lines to grow in the corporate portfolio with good clients and raising our loyalty basis in terms of credit cards, receivables through our [indiscernible] company. Ricardo, do you have any other doubts? And I remain available.

It's super clear.

I just wanted to add something with 2 points here. Foreign exchange portfolio has an opportunity to grow. We grew 27% last year and we can grow even more because it's away from the average share of Banrisul in other products. Now in more profitability lines, we have to analyze them not based on delinquency but based on the income that will generate. As Mr. Gonzaga said, we can make this portfolio growth based on our NIIs.

Thank you, Ricardo. Now moving on, I would like to bring Antonio Ruette from Bank of America.

I have 2 questions here. First is on NII. You mentioned briefly during your presentation that it's sensitive to interest rates. So I would like to know how sensible this portfolio is regarding changes in interest rate? And what's your perspective? In the beginning of the year, we had the Selic around 12%. Now Selic interest rate is 13.5%. What -- how sensitive you are in terms of this for the NII in liabilities and assets? Now talking about portfolio quality, I would like to focus on the rural portfolio. We had the result of Banco do Brasil yesterday and then we could understand several dimensions of this product in terms of NII and renegotiation of delinquency rates and potential crop breaks. So I'd like to touch on this points with you. How do you see the quality of your rural portfolio? And how do you assess potential risks regarding El Nino and fertilizers in the case of war? How will this reflect this in terms of growth and provisioning?

Well, the first time is the matching of liabilities and assets. We continue with our operation and this is our strategy. I mean, we have BRL 4 billion today to provisioning in funding, which will be mismatched. If we look at the global figure with the -- in the asset portfolio in credit operations, I mean, all the assets -- pre-fixed asset products that we have and also the indexed products based on CDI. But this is -- but if you look at the portfolio, that's 0. We will continue with prefix CDB and LCA and financial letter and all these bonds and products that have a reasonable margin will be accepted in the prefixed area. Regardless of the interest rate we deal with, we will not change this operation. We will be well positioned in this matching. The bad point or the bad about the interest rate is that households get more debt. There will be more inflation. Enterprises -- or small and medium-sized companies can be hurt. Major companies, they will have a high level of liquidity, the good companies. But they are not investing. This is bad for the economy because this reduces the overall offer of new products. On the other hand, the government is always helping the consumption -- household consumption. But if you have household consumption without the offer of new products of new services, will make inflation grow. This will -- by the federal bank. This is the regular economy, and this is a year of election. Now the government have this new program, the Desenrola to help people in debts but they will pay their debts in the morning. And then whenever they get rid of this debt, they will contract new debts. So we have this Desenrola program. This will change the economy. We'll get BRL 10 billion, BRL 15 billion, which will be this money from this deposits, from small amounts, small residual amounts in this banking system that will be sending to the federal bank. to the national treasury, by the way, the FGO. This is a lot of money, extra money that will be injected into the economy. But we'll now have financing of new cars for Uber drivers and other services. And this will make it harder for the interest rate to get lower by the federal banks. I believe there will be more debt, more household debts, more debt by the companies and the big companies that have good cash flow will remain with a good cash flow. So -- but this will not affect our balance sheet. What can affect us is delinquency rate, yes, because we were not expecting such a high delinquency rate. Well, in terms of rural portfolio, my colleague has already mentioned but I could talk -- I could keep talking about the rural portfolio, if you want. Well, regarding rural portfolio, it's different for us if you compare Banrisul to Banco do Brasil because we deal with small farmers, we had around 135,000 small producers, small farmers. Our delinquency rate is around 2.5%. We have concentrated and focused our work, especially in 2025 and we will continue to do so in 2026, to adjust the cash flow of these small producers, small rural producers. We do not expect to grow. We do not want to leverage more investments but we want to adjust the cash flow of these rural producers, these rural farmers and guarantee the costs of the new crops for these producers and renters who can roll their debts because they pay their investments, they pay the crops for '25 and '26 and then the bank will finance '26 and '27, again, to guarantee their production. That's how we do it. We have made several adjustments with some governmental programs. We've had the help of the state government to equalize interest rates. This was done in 2025. In 2026, we already have some changes. Some producers have made good crops and they are paying some of their loans. Price is helping here in Grande do Sul. We have an important production in terms of rice crop. They do really well but the price of rice is bad. There is an excessive stock in the industry, in the rice companies but the grain is available. So the worst scenario would be having no grains. I mean, price will oscillate, is a seasonable -- there's seasonable changes about the prices. But the important thing is that producers and farmers guarantee their crops. In '25, '26 crops were really good, especially rice. Just some regions, very particular regions had problems. But in overall, the crops were really good. So we do not expect the delinquency rate to grow. The idea is that this delinquency rate will decrease a little bit if compared to the rates that we have today.

Just another thing about rural portfolio. Well, inputs, we have we have producers with bad prices for rice and bad prices for soy too. We have exports quotas, especially with the beef with China. So the markets are inhibited to grow more in prices. And if you offset this with prices of soy that are coming to the U.S., they want -- the U.S. want to change their exports in China and we have to follow this. But the dilemma is the short term, the war of United States and Iran. When the war is ceases and there is peace in the region, again, in the geographic area of the Strait of Hormuz. So we will have some lagging time, maybe 60 days, so we get back to normal. in terms of prices, oil prices. I hope it doesn't get worse than that. I hope the war ends soon but this will lead to accommodation of prices. In Rio Grande do Sul, we only have one crop per year, one crop for soy, rice and maize. It's not like in other regions of Brazil. We have a small crop in the winter in wheat and canola too but very small crops. For the big ones, we just have one crop per year. But I hope prices will be normalized because inputs are too high nowadays because producers already deal with lower margins in their production, in their business due to price containments. But if urea is almost BRL 6,000 per ton, the diesel prices are too high as well because of the oil prices, I mean, all over the world, there's in chemical fertilizers -- but limestone is local production. It's produced locally here in Rio Grande do Sul. So prices are not so high for limestone. But for other fertilizers, they are high. We hope El Nino will bring a lot of rain. We are not sure how this will affect our crops. So we do not have very good scenario but let's hope. Farmers always hope that God will help them that the weather will be good. So we have to wait and see. It's very important. It's 40% of our GDP, I mean, in the state's GDP. But we have a lot of farmers or rural producers here in Rio Grande do Sul and they are used to dealing with risk.

Now moving on, we have Yuri Fernandes from JPMorgan.

I'll get back to the point on portfolio quality. There are some impacts there. When you look at your formation for your delta and the decrease of NPL in stages, it has been running higher than your cost of risk, 2% or around that. It's -- or maybe 4%, 5% of the portfolio formation. My point is, is this sustainable?

The quarter was a one-off in terms of formation and cost of risk of 2% will be maintained as a guidance. Let me check on this point because it seems to be this formation of new problematic assets. Our NPL were a little higher.

Now my second question is around payroll deductible loans. We have lost some market share in this product. The INSS has some challenges. Sometimes it stops, sometimes it doesn't. I would like to understand your appetite regarding payroll loans. Is there any products regarding that you are more excited about? I would like to understand this a little better.

Thank you, Yuri. Yes, NPL formation, new formation of delinquency rate in our provision. If you understand this is a threshold moving forward.

Thank you for your question. Well, regarding delinquency rate and quality of -- asset quality, I mean, the NPL above 90 days are marked by any situation or issue brought by 4,966 and written off with loss. But there is new operations in Stage or Tier 3. We have 15 months now or 18 months from the first day of maturity rate, 24 months to be written off. We are reaching -- we are following the whole period to reach 100%. This year, we'll have a longer curve if you compare it to 2025 because we will complete 1 year, 1.5 years of the coming into force of 4,999 regulation. So this indicators are expected to remain. There will be some renegotiations. I'm sure. I mean, more recent debts recently entered into this tier. But for the older ones, we are using other collection measures like judicial collection and based on assurances, which will take even longer. Regarding payroll loans, we expect to maintain the portfolio as is. We hope to grow in the CLT, I mean CLT payroll loans or salary-based loans. We have some changes in rates, some of these pre-fixed rates. Sometimes the government sets a table or -- our appetite is contained in this because we do not have very good experience with elongated payroll loans. But the idea is to keep on with the portfolio. As our CEO mentioned, this year, we are more excited about this payroll loans for CLT. And we are betting on this, looking at the employers, looking at the turnover of employees in this companies and working with employees of companies who have a relationship with the bank. We are not open sea offering payroll loans to all employees, private employees, which are called the CLT. Now we are working with -- starting with companies who have held a connection with the bank or who have a payroll managed by the bank. This will give us some peace of mind in terms of growing this CLT of private company payroll loan. So just let me get about -- get back to delinquency/provision. This will decrease because we have a more elongated written off.

Yes. Yes. As we write off these loans, these dynamics will experience a drop. In April, we have seen this and the trend is that as we close the next quarter, we will see a slight decrease regarding this. because we will get less in Tier 3. And this indicator follows a trend to experience a slight reduction.

I think Yuri brought several ideas. So if our CEO and our CFO mentioned several collection strategies to recover credit. When you look at cost of risk today, it is -- the cost of risk considering net provisions for credit recovery, have some initiatives on these lines. And we haven't promoted any guidance revision regarding this quarter, so we can see how these strategies will do. And maybe in the next results call, we tend to evaluate the performance of these portfolios. And based on that, we will establish the strategies for the rest of the year, revisiting these indicators, especially the cost of risk indicator. Okay?

And just a follow-up question regarding your capital. It's very good to see that there is a help of 13, 14 regulation but the bank capital is very strong. It's very sturdy. But what about the ratio, NPL ratio and any changes in 4,966? We talk about tax credits. It's -- your DTA hasn't grown unlike other banks. So what is your message for this capital, this 14% of main capital? Will it be maintained? Will the payout increase? What about your Basel ratio?

Okay. Well, what about the guidance? Yes, our guidance right now for we have observed -- we have been observing this quarter but probably we will be revising some -- reviewing some of the lines in the second semester, the second half of the year. There will be some adjustments, some revision if needed. Regarding capital, we have 14.1% of Basel in Tier 1 alone. That's pretty comfortable. Our Board determined 14.5% as the minimum level. for the global rate of the bank. In the payout account, we do not expect any changes. Historically, the bank distributed 40% of dividends. This will continue like this. We do not expect any changes regarding that. Our shareholders would like it to be higher but we always privilege the quality of our Basel ratio and the bank's volume of capital. So this values will be maintained.

Just let me add that in Tier 1, based on discussion of payroll renewal agreement, there can be some changes in 2026 according to the agreement that will be reached because it's an ongoing agreement. We cannot say that we will maintain 14% because it depends on this agreement that will be closed.

Now ladies and gentlemen, I would like to thank you all for your presence, for your participation. Oh, we do have another question, I'm sorry. Yes. we have Eduardo Nishio from Genial. I'm sorry. Nishio.

Well, my question has to do with the asset quality and also has to do with Yuri's question. And well, regarding the asset quality, I would like to understand a little bit better the dynamics you see in terms of decrease or worsening of indicators. Your cost of risk is still high, BRL 442 million in the quarter, you are consuming for a while some coverage, 200% and now it's 145%. I'd like to understand this dynamic moving forward. But your cost of risk guidance of 2.2% implies a net view of BRL 1.5 billion. In this quarter, you reached 1/3 of this. I would like to listen -- to understand why you needed to make so much provision, which were the portfolios that got worse and how are you looking about that? It was 4,966 regulation that led to this need of provisioning. I'd like you to give us more color about that. And also, you are recovering in terms of the asset quality. What do you see in the long term in terms of return on equity and return on investment, maybe we shouldn't reach something near your cost of capital. When do you expect to reach this level?

Eduardo, regarding the first part of your question regarding the percentage of portfolio coverage. Well, as we close the necessary time to write off some of these amounts, the trend and we have already seen that in April and this is expected to happen in the next few months as well. We hope to have an increase in this coverage percentage. We hope this will happen. We do not believe in a accelerated growth of delinquency rate in the next few months due to some reasons. First of all, because we are better organized internally. We have already understood how this dynamic works. Based on the 4,966 regulation, we have restructured the department. Up until then, we needed -- we waited to collect. But as I mentioned, we have a very diversified portfolio in our clients in default, they account for only 6% of the total. So this portfolio is pretty well diversified with thousands and thousands of clients, thousands of thousands of contracts and agreements. So the scale, the idea of scale is to count on the help of third parties. We are finishing this bidding procedure. The bank, unfortunately, I mean, we cannot decide overnight to hire one company. We are a public company, so we need to go through this tendering, this bidding procedure. We are about to wrap this up. And then we will be able to start collecting small retailers, small companies and renegotiate some debts. We already have a digital platform, which is called finances in the -- our finances in check. This is a digital collection platform. We didn't have that before, 4,966, only for losses. We had some outsourced programs. But now with the changes in the procedure, we have started working on this digital platform so that the network of branches, our colleagues in our branches can have or can devote more time to increase this relationship with our clients. There was another part of your question. Can you remind me of that? Or was it at all? You can go ahead, Nishio, I'm sorry.

Well, regarding the portfolios that you see with -- that had -- that were worse and the need for provisioning, the cost of risk that increased. Yes, the portfolio that suffered more that provisioned more.

Okay. Right. Eduardo, well, there's no unique portfolio that carried more provisioning. As I told you, our -- we have very well-diversified portfolio. We have a pretty conservative and defensive stand on this that gives us some balance. We have one problem, one issue, our Chairman, our President mentioned, we have some labor lawsuits of over debt due to the obligations posed by 4,966 on Tier 3. And then we work to defend ourselves, to defend the bank from this credits arising from that. But we based -- we managed to create a internal strategy to accelerate this with our debtors. We have 15, 20 negotiations per day and they are -- they have been successful and we are putting these credits back on track, these loans back on track. And we have some clients who have labor lawsuits with the municipalities or with a private company or the state, and we are negotiating this within the payroll deductible loans, which gives us a guarantee of liquidity for the future.

Just let me add something, Mr. Ivanor, for cost of credit for -- let me tell you that, first, throughout April, looking ahead, in April, there was the operation of a specific case, which was negotiated and this operation was a Tier 3 operation. So moving forward, this will soften this indication. And the second element is that when you look at cost of risk and cost of credit, the same indicator of the guidance, for the fourth quarter, we had a provisioning of BRL 257 million. It was an asset which was not within the assets portfolio. It was a financial area. So we do not consider this BRL 257 million within the variable. It's important to mention this figure, which was significant. We mentioned this in the fourth quarter call. So when we compare this for the guidance indicator, it's important to mention that 0to mention this amount, okay?

Thank you, Nishio. So yes, now I'd like to close our results call for the first quarter of 2026. Thank you very much. If you have any remaining doubts, remaining questions, the -- our RI team will address your concerns. Thank you very much, and see you next quarter. Take care. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]