Barwa Real Estate Company Q.P.S.C. (BRES) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 1, 2024

Qatar Stock Exchange QA Real Estate Real Estate Management and Development earnings 22 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Hello, and welcome to the Barwa Real Estate Group Conference Call. I would like to advise all participants that this call is being recorded. Thank you. I'd now like to welcome Mr. [indiscernible] to begin the conference. [indiscernible], over to you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#2

Thank you, Bhavesh. Good morning to you all. I want to welcome you to Barwa Real Estate's 1Q 2024 Earnings Conference Call. On this call from management team, we have Tamer Elsayed, the Group Chief Financial Officer; Tariq Al Jaber, the Investment Management Director; Abdulla AlKaabi, the Direct Development; Abdulla Khalfan, Financial Controller; and Mohamad Daakour, Budget and Planning Controller. As usual, we will conduct this call with first management reviewing the company's results, followed by a Q&A session. I'll now turn over the call to Tamer, the Group CFO, to begin. Please go ahead, sir.

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#3

Thank you. [Foreign Language] Welcome, everybody. On behalf of myself and all other speakers today, we wish you all a very warm welcome to Barwa Real Estate Q1 2024 Post-Results Conference Call. I'm Tamer Elsayed, the Group Chief Financial Officer of Barwa Real Estate. At the beginning, I would like to thank QNB Financial Services to host this call on behalf of Barwa Real Estate. Please note that except for the historical facts, statements made by the management may contain a projection or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of Barwa Real Estate. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees or promises of future performance. Barwa undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements contained herein, whether as a result of more -- of new information, future events or otherwise. Barwa Real Estate declared the Q1 2024 financial statements on 30th April 2024. And please let me start by giving you a brief introduction on Barwa Real Estate. We are one of the leading real estate developers in Qatar, with expertise in developing, leasing and managing real estate assets. In total, we have about 5.5 million square meters built-up area in operation, which consist of residential projects, labor rooms, warehouses, retail showrooms and offices. As of 31st of March 2024, we have operating units of 14,069 residential units and around 55,000 labor rooms in addition to commercial offices, hospitality and other operating portfolio components, which are detailed in our Investor Relations presentation. Approximately 77% of our total operating revenue and about 86% of our operating profits are generated through these assets. Furthermore, Barwa has a land bank approximately 2 million square meters, of which 1.9 million square meters within Qatar. Of this, we own approximately 900,000 square meters, while the rest is leased. Looking forward, Barwa plans to selectively monetize this land bank by selling or developing properties based on the prevailing market demand. Now I would like to highlight some key points on the performance of the company for the Q1 2024. To begin with, our total operating revenue stood at QAR 418 (sic) [ 481 ] million as against QAR 433 (sic) [ 533 ] million for Q1 2023. Our total operating profit came in at QAR 333 million against QAR 392 million in Q1 2023. Our profit attributable to the equity holders of the parent for Q1 2024 stood at QAR 238 million as against QAR 235 million in Q1 2023. On the balance sheet side, our financial position has been improved compared to 2023 with a net debt balance of QAR 11.7 billion and net debt-to-equity at 0.54. We have adequate liquidity and balance sheet strength to pursue our growth agenda. Also, we keep working on refinancing part of our facilities to enhance our liquidity ratios and the cash flow projections. With this, we can start with the question-and-answer session. Again, thank you for joining the call, and we will be happy to answer any questions that you may have. I now hand over to the moderator at QNB Financial Services to field any questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Seki Mutukwa from Ashmore.

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#5

Hope you can hear me. Three questions, please, for me and then I may jump back in the queue. The first one is if you could just talk about rental income in terms of what drove that year-on-year decline. If I'm reading that correctly, whether it's occupancy or actual rental rates or perhaps something to do with mix? Second question is on the rental expense. Sort of that also seems to have increased year-on-year. Perhaps just a better understanding of what's driving that? And then the third question is just about the sort of fair value loss as well as the share of results from associates. Those 2 negatives, just what's driving those, please?

Unknown Executive

executive
#6

Regarding the rental income, the reduction is mainly due to the [ Wakra ] projects. Last year, they were rented to the Supreme Committee. And this year, it's rented in the market, and the, let's say, the occupancy rates are reaching almost around 50%, and it's not fully occupied. Plus also, there are some occupancy rate reductions in the [ Barahat Labor Camp ] since last year.

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#7

And I guess [indiscernible].

Unknown Executive

executive
#8

And regarding the rental expenses, last year, when the projects were rented to the Supreme Committee, there were no expenses. But due to them being rented in the market, there are some -- there are rental expenses or operating expenses. And regarding the third question, I believe you were asking about the fair value loss.

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#9

Yes, please. Just to sort of understand what's -- whether there was sort of a revision on denominator, i.e. cost of borrow which caused that? Or is there something else driving? I know it's only a small number.

Unknown Executive

executive
#10

Actually, it's just a regular amortization on the right-of-use projects. And usually, we do valuation at half year and year-end. So first quarter and third quarter, we don't do any valuation. And I believe you also had the fourth question?

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#11

Sorry, it was linked. Yes, just in terms of the loss from associates, just maybe a bit of an understanding of what that is?

Unknown Executive

executive
#12

This is impairment that we have just recorded for a company that is under liquidation.

Operator

operator
#13

Our next question comes from the line of Zohaib Pervez from Al Rayan Investment.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#14

I missed most of the call. So if I'm asking the question again, I apologize in advance. Could you tell us what is these advances for projects? The advances for projects have gone up in the first quarter. So which projects are these -- for which you have increased the advances, who provided the advances? About QAR 300 million, I think. Second question is regarding the impairment reversals. These reversals are against one -- what are these reversals against? Could you give us that? Third question is about your -- could you give us more color on your occupancy levels for your residential units and the labor rooms?

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

Regarding the advances, they are related to [ Wakra ] projects, Madinatna and Barahat Al Janoub, mainly. And regarding the reversal, these are areas that we have collected from an [ anchor ] tenant.

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#16

On the occupancies, most of the residential occupancy is 90% to 95%, except for Madinatna, which is at 52%, and the Argentine neighborhood, around [ 37% ].

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#17

What are -- so what the developments are being done at the Wakra project, for which you provided advances?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#18

We have 2 projects, which my colleague just referred to, which in Madinatna and Argentinian neighborhood. Both projects are almost done. The advance is now under settlement with the contractor, and it's only a matter of paperwork, but the work is already almost done.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#19

So this will lead to some -- I mean, you will have to make these -- these advances have to be paid or they have been paid?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#20

No, no. So let me say it, it's paid, but just to wait for to recap -- to be recovered on the papers. And just to sign IPCs and whatever to be recovered on the paper. But the work has already done, the advance payment paid before and the -- just we are recurring based on the IPC, the progress reports. It's a matter of working of paper documentation.

Operator

operator
#21

Our next question comes from the line of Mark [indiscernible] from TFI.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#22

I noticed that you have a significant rise in income from consultancy and other services. Is that a one-off thing? Or should we expect that to continue for the rest of the year? And could you just outline the source of it, please?

Unknown Executive

executive
#23

Okay. So the increase is mainly from adjustment and [ accounting ] treatment as -- might not just not happen again.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#24

Sorry, it's an adjustment in the account accounting treatment in general or on one particular project? Or -- could you elaborate?

Unknown Executive

executive
#25

It's one particular project.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

And is that likely to continue?

Unknown Executive

executive
#27

No. It's just a [ one-off ].

Operator

operator
#28

Our next question comes from the line of Seki Mutukwa from Ashmore.

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#29

I was just hoping to hear your sort of views on the residential sort of rental rates, how that market is looking? Whether you're seeing increasing rental rates or competition from perhaps new developments putting pressure on those rates? Any color, please?

Unknown Executive

executive
#30

The overall, the residential portfolio that Barwa consists of, we are seeing a good occupancy of 90% to 95% across all asset class -- all residential units. So the rental level for this year is quite, I would say, stable, the overall strategy that we are not increasing it. And our main focus is to manage the occupancy level for this year. So we are not -- neither we are kind of increasing it or there is no demand pressure that we are having it on our portfolio as of now.

Seki Mutukwa

analyst
#31

Any chance you can comment about the overall market at all? Like -- so obviously, you've talked about your portfolio, but are you doing -- struggling?

Unknown Executive

executive
#32

Yes. Definitely, the asset classes across -- all asset classes are having a kind of an oversupply situation. But you need to see from the Barwa perspective, Barwa work in a very niche environment on it. That is why we continuously manage to have a good occupancy rate on that. But yes, there are other projects we cannot comment about it. They might be facing some heat due to the oversupply situation. But as far as the Barwa portfolio consists, we are confident for this year and going forward that our -- the way that we put our -- the projects forward, that we are managing a good occupancy on our projects.

Operator

operator
#33

We have a follow-up question from Mark [indiscernible] from TFI.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#34

I just noticed in the cash flow statement a very substantial increase in the change in receivables and prepayments of almost like QAR 1.35 billion. Could you elaborate on that, please?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#35

This is due to the installments we received on January related to the sale of Lusail land in the last year. We sold 1 plot of land last year by QAR 6.3 billion, and we received one of the installments in January 2024.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#36

Okay. And the next installment is due?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#37

The last installment due already received on April 2024. That was the last one. So we received a...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#38

Okay. So that will be showing in the next quarter?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#39

In the half year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

Okay. And then with this large inflow, are you planning to pay down some debt? Or what is the -- what are you going to do with this money?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#41

We did -- that was the original plan that the amount will be used to settle debts. And that can be shown in the -- even in the cash flow statement. If you refer to the financing activities, you will see that we settled QAR 1.4 billion from our debt.

Operator

operator
#42

We have another follow-up question from Zohaib Pervez from Al Rayan Investment.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#43

So what will be your debt after pay repayment of this Lusail land that you [ sold ] you would definitely use all that cash to pay the debt, what will be your debt levels after the complete payment there? Also, what is your strategy, going forward? Are you going to plan on building -- buying up more land because you sold large chunk of your land? Are you going to wait and see on -- what is your strategy at the moment?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#44

For the first question, the current debt, we are about QAR 12.6 billion. So with the settlement to which planed to be done in -- based on the installment we received in April, so we are talking about a balance of around QAR 11 billion, just a couple of like 200, plus or minus, but around QAR 11 billion. For the second question, my colleague will answer that.

Tariq Al Jaber

executive
#45

On the strategy going forward. Right now, we are just focusing on the current land bank and see what ways we can roll out some of the products -- possible products that we have. We have 2 projects that are being fast tracked. We will try to launch them by the end of the year in the Lusail area. As for the rest of the land bank, we're also studying some of the opportunities that may arise. But we don't anticipate acquiring new lands because we have a significant land bank that we try to focus on.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#46

Okay. And these projects in Lusail land, are these going to be residential? Are these going to be -- what projects will that be?

Tariq Al Jaber

executive
#47

We're predominantly residential, but we're also studying this -- we're still not 100% sure on the mix right now. It's all under study.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#48

Okay. Did you get any other school project? I mean there were a number of packages that were being announced, and I think you had also applied to other projects.

Tariq Al Jaber

executive
#49

No, we haven't applied.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#50

You have not applied?

Tariq Al Jaber

executive
#51

Yes, we're -- I think, they've launched Package 2. I think we anticipate that they might launch Package 3. We will consider Package 3 whenever it's being launched.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#52

Okay. And my last question is, I mean, you have -- QAR 11 billion will be left in [ debt ]. How do you plan to pay down the debt from internal sources because internal sources after this will be quite limited, right?

Tamer Mohamed

executive
#53

Not at all. We see our financial position is -- and our [ levels ] is very low, at very comfortable levels, and we can easily cover this. Don't forget, as we said, we have a land bank of 2 million square meters. This land bank can be developed for lease, for sale, for whatever. So we expect another -- or new source of cash inflows during the coming couple of years. We are trying with the banks to refinance the debt and to decrease the finance cost and in the same time, to relax the repayment schedule, so -- to match with our expected cash inflows. So we are very comfortable with [ delivering ] this. We are talking about -- if we say even QAR 11 billion compared to total assets of QAR 36 billion, so we are at a very comfortable level with this. So we don't see any issues to resale all our debts on [ units ].

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#54

Sounds good. I'm sorry, I have one last question, on warehousing segment. So you have a number of, I think, warehousing -- warehouses, could you give us more insights on what's happening in that area? Because there's a lot of competition there, and [ rentals ] have come down quite a lot. How do you see -- how do your assets are going?

Unknown Executive

executive
#55

As far as Barwa's assets are doing, we are quite comfortable. Our occupancy is around 95% in the warehouse sector on it. And we don't see any kind of pressure on the warehousing sector.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#56

Okay. Your warehousing is actually being handled by a third party, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#57

It's a combination of both. You can't say by the third party. It's a combination of both.

Zohaib Pervez

analyst
#58

And you don't see any rental pressures?

Unknown Executive

executive
#59

No, we don't see any rental pressure as of now.

Operator

operator
#60

There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back over to Mr. [indiscernible].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#61

Thank you, Bhavesh. If there are no further questions, that brings us to the end of today's call. Thank you all for joining us, and thanks to the Barwa management team for engaging with investors. Please join us for future calls, and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye.

Operator

operator
#62

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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