Beacon Lighting Group Limited (BLX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 28, 2025

ASX AU Consumer Discretionary Specialty Retail earnings 50 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Beacon Lighting Group FY 2025 Financial Results Presentation. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to the Beacon Lighting Group Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Glen Robinson. Please go ahead, Glen.

Glen Robinson

executive
#2

Sorry, we're actually going to hand over to Ian Robinson, the Executive Chairman, but that's okay. Over to you, Ian.

Ian Robinson

executive
#3

Okay. Thanks very much, Jamie. Good morning, shareholders. Thank you for joining us as we present our full year results for financial year 2025. I'm Ian Robinson, Executive Chairman of Beacon Lighting. And I'm delighted to be here today alongside our CEO, Glen Robinson; and our CFO, David Speirs. The 2025 financial year has been another year of progress for Beacon Lighting. Our continued focus on trade customers once again delivered solid outcomes, while in retail, we saw momentum build through the year, culminating in a welcome uplift in the fourth quarter. With the recent rate cut, we see positive signs of retail spending in the short to medium term, which positions us well for the future. None of this would be possible without the passion and expertise of our team. Their commitment to delivering outstanding customer experiences is consistently reflected in the feedback we received. I'd also like to thank our customers for their loyalty to our Australian designed product range and our lighting design service and to our trade customers for continuing to trust Beacon Lighting as a source for lighting, ceiling fans, electrical accessories and a true partner that can help them grow successful businesses. As outlined on Page 2 of your material, today's agenda will begin with Glen providing an overview of the results, followed by a detailed financial performance report from David. Glen will then return to share our growth strategy and outlook before we conclude the Q&A session. With that, I hand over to Glen to walk us through the results.

Glen Robinson

executive
#4

Thank you, Ian. I would also like to warmly welcome everyone joining us today. Let's begin by looking at some of the key financial highlights outlined on Page 4 of the presentation. As always, the full presentation and our annual report are available on the ASX or on our corporate website for your reference. The Beacon Lighting Group is proud to deliver another record sales result of $329 million, highlighting the consistency and strength of our performance across multiple financial periods. Our gross profit margin of 69.1% underscores the effectiveness of our vertical product development model and the value it continues to create. Profitability remains strong with EBITDA of $87.1 million and net profit after tax of $29.4 million, representing an 8.9% net profit after tax margin. We also maintained a robust cash balance of over $55 million, reinforcing the group's solid financial foundations and flexibility for future growth. Moving to Page 5. We'll review the operational highlights for the year. Our commitment to strengthening Beacon Trade remains central to our strategy. Since financial year 2020, trade sales have grown from less than 20% of our total sales to now 40% this year, putting us firmly on track towards our goal of 50% by FY 2028. Trade volume growth was particularly strong in our stores, which delivered 24% increase in trade sales, contributing to a total of $125 million in group trade sales. We continue to invest in our store network with four new and exciting large stores opened in Chatswood, Port Stephens, Shepparton and Ballina, alongside two relocations in Bendigo and Taren Point, which were both larger and stronger offices. Innovation remains at the heart of what we do with 558 new products designed here in Australia for the Australian home across lighting, ceiling fans and electrical accessories. Finally, we're proud to commence our first share offering for our team members, welcoming an additional 200 team members as Beacon Lighting shareholders, strengthening alignment across our business. On Page 6, you'll see the statutory financial results for financial year 2025. The key difference between these and the underlying comparable results on Page 7 is that financial year 2024 included 53 weeks in the retail calendar, while financial year 2025 reflects the standard 52-week year. To provide a fair comparison, we've adjusted last year's results by removing 1 week of trading. The underlying results on Page 7 is, therefore, the most accurate reflection of performance and is the basis for our discussion today. So let's move on to underlying results on Page 7. The group delivered another record sales result of $329 million, an increase of almost $12 million on last year, representing 3.7% total sales growth. Gross profit also improved, supported by new product introductions, stronger sourcing from manufacturers and a relatively stable Aussie dollar. Gross profit margin was 69.1%, ahead of last year's 68.9%. Other income continued to build, driven by interest on cash balances. Operating expenses remain tightly managed across divisions and stores. After several years of rapid cost escalations in some expense lines, it was pleasing to see some of those pressures beginning to ease. Total operating expenses increased by 5.3%, representing 43.5% of sales, which compares to 42.8% last year. As a result, EBITDA grew by 2.5% to $87 million, an increase of just over $2 million, while net profit after tax was broadly in line with last year, down slightly by 0.7%, coming in at $29.4 million, an 8.9% net profit after tax margin. While profitability held steady this year, we are confident that the foundations we've built will drive stronger growth ahead. Our focus on trade has delivered consistent revenue gains year after year even through a subdued housing market and positions us exceptionally well as conditions improve. We are seeing encouraging signs of a turning point. The fourth quarter delivered our strongest comparative sales results of the year. With Beacon Lighting's latest cycle exposure to both new housing and renovation activity, we are well placed to capture the upswing as building activity strengthens, and we look forward to capitalizing on that momentum. I'll now hand you over to David Speirs, our CFO, to take you through some more details in the financials.

David Speirs

executive
#5

Thank you, Glen. Sales on Page 9. The Beacon Lighting Group achieved a sales increase of 3.7% to $328.9 million. Company store comparative sales increased by 1.5% with half 2 being slightly better than half 1. The best performing states from a comparative sales perspective were South Australia, West Australia and Queensland. It's interesting to note that Q4 financial year 2025 was the best performing quarter in financial year 2025. And after a number of challenging years, it is pleasing to see Victorian store sales start to improve in half 2 financial year 2025. Continuing to strengthen our partnership with our trade customers is reflected in our total trade sales. Total trade sales, which include trade sales through Beacon stores, Beacon Commercial, Custom Lighting and Masson For Light, now exceeds $125 million. The trade highlight for financial year '25 was an increase in direct trade sales and referral sales through our stores, which increased by 24%. It's important to recognize that Beacon Lighting Stores, Beacon International and Light Source Solutions in New Zealand all achieved record sales results in financial year 2025. Gross profit on Slide 10. The Beacon Lighting Group achieved a gross profit dollar result of $227.2 million or 69.1% of sales. A gross profit margin of 20 basis point increase was one of the highlights of the financial year result. Although Beacon Lighting has increased our market share in the sale of trade products, it is a vertically integrated supply chain and the mix of products which are sold to our trade customers, which helps support the Beacon Lighting Stores' gross profit margins. Beacon Lighting continues to design, develop innovative new products in Australia, which continue to be very well received by our retail and trade customers and support our margins as a result. Operating expenses on Slide 11. Beacon Lighting has achieved a significant increase of 24.2% in other income. This is primarily a result of a strong cash position and the improved interest rates that are available. As always, the management of expenses have remained a focus for the Beacon Lighting team. In what at times has been a challenging expense environment, total operating expenses have increased by 5.3% to be $143 million or 43.5% of sales. For many years, Beacon Lighting has increased investment in marketing. In financial year 2025, marketing expenses declined by 3.8% to $16.1 million. With the opening of new stores, there was an increase in store expenses by 6.3%, while general and administration expenses increased by 6.2%. With the opening of new stores, new leases and options exercised, depreciation increased by 5.8% and finance costs increased by 5.9%. Cash flow on Slide 12. Beacon Lighting has continued to strengthen the cash position of the group through the net operating cash flow. Given the strength of the cash position, Beacon Lighting has been able to reinvest in the future of the business with CapEx of $10.5 million. Beacon Lighting made dividend payments of $12.8 million to its shareholders after the dividend reinvestment program. Reflecting all these activities, Beacon Lighting has increased the cash balance by $9 million and finished financial year 2025 with a cash balance of $45.2 million. The balance sheet on Page 13. Inclusive of the $10 million term deposit, which is representative of other financial assets, Beacon Lighting's cash increased to $55.2 million at the end of June 2025. Inventory has increased to be $141.4 million (sic) [ $101.4 million ] due to the increased investment in inventory mainly associated with the Beacon Lighting Stores. Right-of-use asset and lease liabilities have increased with the opening of new stores, exercising of options and the signing of new property leases. Beacon Lighting's strong net cash position has improved and net assets have increased by $16.8 million. Dividends on Slide 14. The Beacon Lighting Group's dividend reinvestment plan remains in place and continues to be available to all shareholders. The directors have declared a fully franked dividend of $0.038 per share for half 2 financial year 2025 for a fully franked dividend of $0.08 per share for financial year 2025. The current dividend has a record date of the 5th of September 2025 and a payment date of the 19th of September 2025. Thank you, and I will now pass you back to Glen.

Glen Robinson

executive
#6

Thanks, David. Let's turn to Page 15, where we'll highlight our strategic pillars of growth. Many of you will be familiar with our four strategic pillars that guide our growth. At the center of these pillars is our customer. Every initiative we take begins with a deep understanding of their needs and expectations. Our first pillar is our stores and continuing to expand and optimize our network while delivering an inspiring in-store experience, exclusive product ranges and VIP member benefits. Our second pillar is our trade, building stronger partnerships with electricians, builders, architects and designers, ensuring Beacon Trade is the trusted partner for lighting, fans and electrical solutions in Australian homes. Third pillar is our e-commerce, creating engaging digital platforms that connect seamlessly with our physical stores, enabling customers to interact with Beacon, however and wherever they choose. And lastly, our fourth pillar is our complementary businesses, our platform for innovation and future growth, including international expansion, new business ventures, acquisitions and property investments. These pillars don't stand alone. They reinforce one another. Our store presence provides inspiration for our homeowners while supporting trade partnerships. E-commerce extends the customer experience beyond our physical walls and complementary businesses provides fresh opportunities to scale across the group. Together, these pillars create a framework for long-term customer-centric growth, ensuring Beacon Lighting remains strong today while positioning us for leadership well into the future. On Page 16, I'd like to introduce to our shareholders the vision specifically designed for our store network by 2030. Our ambition is to move from being seen simply as a lighting retailer to become Australia's leading provider of quality lighting and electrical accessories for both homeowners and trade professionals. At the core of the strategy is about bringing these two customer groups together, retail and trade, together in a way that feels natural, seamless and mutually rewarding by 2030. For the homeowner, it means being inspired and supported with great design outcomes for their home. For the trade professional, it means recognizing them and rewarding them for their influence and loyalty to Beacon and being a partner where we can help them build their business by referring homeowner projects to them, whether they be an electrician, builder or designer, we interact daily with the homeowner and can recommend the trade that support our business. At the intersection of these two groups sits Beacon, becoming the default destination for both. In practice, that means being the homeowners' first choice for inspiration and guidance and at the same time, the electrician's most valuable partnership. Page 17. In addition to our 2030 vision, I'd like to provide an update on our store network. In financial year 2025, Beacon Lighting ended the year with 127 company-owned stores and two franchise stores, continuing to strengthen our national footprint. We expanded into new markets with four new stores in Port Stephens, Shepparton, Chatswood and Ballina, and completed key relocations in Bendigo and Taren Point while expanding our Townsville store into a larger, more dynamic format. All of these stores are impressive formats, reinforcing the brand and the customer experience. Comparative sales were up 1.5%, led by stronger results in South Australia, Western Australia and Queensland. Importantly, momentum picked up in the fourth quarter, setting a positive tone for the year ahead. Innovation remains at the core of our offer with 558 new products added to support our 3,500 strong core range. And our 53 Design Studios delivered 2,750 consultations, reinforcing Beacon as the destination for inspiration and design expertise. Our store network research highlights the potential to grow towards 195 stores nationally, giving us a clear runway for expansion into the years ahead. On Slide 18, we'll provide a trade update. In trade, in financial year 2025 was another year of strong progress. We enhanced the Beacon Trade program with new essential trade products, special pricing, Beacon Cash rebates, trade perks and increased the range of branded workwear, all designed to build deeper relationships with our electricians, builders, architects and designers. Importantly, we invested in our team with 330 team members completing Trade Immersion training, ensuring the customer experience is consistently aligned to the trade needs. Our Beacon Commercial business, which focuses in on the volume residential builders, maintained their market share and grew their profitability around Australia. Our results speak to this focus. Trade sales now exceed $125 million, representing 40% of all relevant sales. With our stores alone, trade sales grew by 24%. We were also pleased to be able to gain share in core trade products that we previously hadn't offered at Beacon, and the uptake has been very positive. Our progress in trade plays well into our 2030 vision that by developing deeper trade partnerships, our trade will refer more business to Beacon, and we can refer more homeowner projects back to the trade. With this momentum, we remain firmly on track to achieve our goal of 50% of relevant sales from trade and 50% from retail by financial year 2028. On Page 19, we can review e-commerce. E-commerce continues to grow as a key channel for both retail and trade customers. Our main websites, beaconlighting.com.au and beacontrade.com.au, are attracting more visitors with stronger traffic, transactions and conversion rates across the year. In financial year 2025, total online sales grew by 11%, now representing 12.3% of total store sales. Beacon Trade members also showed strong engagement online with trade e-commerce sales up 29.3% and visitation up 26.5%. Online trade sales now represent 14.3% of direct trade sales. Importantly, our platform continues to integrate seamlessly with our store network, ensuring that customers, whether retail or trade, experience the same level of service and convenience across every channel. On Page 20, we review complementary businesses. Our complementary businesses delivered a mixed but overall positive contribution in financial year 2025. Beacon International grew sales and profit with double-digit increases in Hong Kong and Europe, while sales in the U.S. were softer. In China, our Tmall Global sales channel grew by 72%, making an exciting and profitable sales channel. Closer to home, Light Source Solutions in New Zealand delivered growth, while sales in Connected Light Solutions, Custom Lighting and Masson For Light were softer. We also continue to benefit from our 50% stake in the Large Format Property Fund, which owns seven retail properties. Of these, four are fully tenanted, one partially tenanted and two are in development, providing both income and future growth potential. Together, these complementary businesses broaden our earnings base, diversify our portfolio and create opportunities for future expansion. Sustainability on Slide 21. Our sustainability goals are built around three focus areas: people, product and planet, and have been core to what we do for over a decade here at Beacon. For people, we continue to invest in our team with 339 members completing Trade Immersion training and an additional 200 team members coming -- becoming Beacon shareholders through the Team Share Plan, further aligning our people with the long-term success of the business. For product, our commitment to energy efficiency remains at the core of our innovation. Our LED globes and lighting range are now 80% more energy efficient than traditional light sources, helping customers reduce both energy use and costs. And for the planet, we now have 69 solar systems operating across Beacon Lighting stores, increasing self-supply of power and reducing reliance on the grid. We're also transitioning our fleet towards electric vehicles, reinforcing our commitment to the lower carbon future. On Page 23 are our outlook. So company store sales momentum from quarter 4 financial year 2025 has continued into the start of financial year 2026. The positive momentum in trade sales has continued into financial year 2026 and represents a powerful growth driver for the group. This year, we will embark on implementing the 2030 Store Network Strategy. We opened the new Beacon Lighting store in Auburn and we'll open in Altona in Victoria as well as other locations currently under review. At the same time, we are pursuing new international sales opportunities by taking Australian-designed lighting and fan products into more markets worldwide. And importantly, we continue to lead in product innovation, bringing customers the latest in fashion, energy efficiency and design excellence to inspire homeowners and strengthen partnerships with our trade. With our continued focus on our customers, clear strategy for 2030 and exciting opportunities ahead, we believe financial year 2026 will be a year of growth, innovation and continued success for Beacon Lighting. Thank you for your time, and I'll now hand you back to Ian Robinson to address any questions you may have.

Ian Robinson

executive
#7

Thank you, Glen and David, for your presentations. We're now open for questions.

Operator

operator
#8

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Kseniya Chadayeva at Jarden.

Kseniya Chadayeva

analyst
#9

Can you please give us more insight on what has changed from third quarter to fourth quarter? And what drove the acceleration? Was that mostly from retail customers coming back or it's purely trade driven?

Glen Robinson

executive
#10

Thanks, Kseniya. Yes, it is across the board. And what's pleasing to see is that it's across the states as well. We've just seen consistent performance or stronger performance across trade and retail since really the -- third quarter was okay, and then we started to pick up a bit further in the fourth quarter. As we all know, Victoria has been a pretty difficult state to operate in over the last couple of years, but we're definitely starting to see some better performance out of Victoria. And that Victorian performance did start to improve in the third quarter of the financial year. So some positive signs there. I think the rate have definitely helped some homeowners around the country and particularly in Victoria to feel a bit more positive about investing into their home.

Kseniya Chadayeva

analyst
#11

That's nice to hear. And can you also please share us on guidance, how we should think about your costs moving forward? You had a bit of a step-up this year, reaching to 43.5% of sales. Should we expect similar levels for next year?

Glen Robinson

executive
#12

Costs. Well, look, I think from a -- there were some items there that we're managing at the moment, which I think we'll be able to manage a bit tighter in the year ahead. So we've made some adjustments to that already. I think from general costs, you've got your wage and remuneration costs flowing through, which do come through at a higher rate than where they have been in the past. But I think that is starting to stabilize a little. I think electricity costs have stabilized a bit for us. But you still have some unusual things like outgoings and other...

David Speirs

executive
#13

Land taxes and...

Glen Robinson

executive
#14

Yes, other property costs that...

David Speirs

executive
#15

And other sort of remuneration other than wages in our stores continue to seem to go up. [indiscernible] has gone up, payroll tax has gone up, workcover has gone up. So all those sort of statutory costs have continued to be a challenge, but it's probably reasonable to think that 5.3% might be similar. But that's something we continue to work on and focus on.

Kseniya Chadayeva

analyst
#16

Okay. And last one, if I may. How is your Trade Club Loyalty program is performing in terms of frequency and basket size? If you also can share some member numbers, that would be great. From memory, it should be around 60,000. If you can give us details.

Glen Robinson

executive
#17

Yes, you're pretty close to the number there. It's a number that we're not speaking as openly about now that we've got up to a decent size. But we do look at our -- the frequency of our trade customers, and that has been increasing. We look at the number that we call unique customers by month, and that's how many times a unique customer will come into our branches, and that's one of the main KPIs that we have for the stores because if you can drive that number, that means more phone calls, more reaching out to trade customers, bring them into the store, your trade sales will continue to grow. And that has been a number that has continued to improve over the year. Our sales mostly still come from the existing base of customers that we have. So I won't give you the exact number, but to say the majority of our sales are still coming from the existing base rather than the base of new customers growing. And I think that's a positive sign for a loyalty-type program or a trade program that you're getting more from your current customers than you are from new customers entering the program. We've got a very good database of trade customers now. And when you're talking about specifically electricians, builders, architects and designers, there will be a bit of a limit to how many trade customers you'll add to that trade club. I'm not saying we're at the limit yet. We will continue to add more and more customers, but it's about -- it's more important for us to continue to work on the frequency and spend of those current customers that are already in the Trade Club than necessarily trying to drive further Trade Club members to sign up. So that's where we are at the moment, Kseniya.

Operator

operator
#18

The next question comes from Sam Teeger at Citi.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#19

Firstly, I just wanted to congratulate Ian on the LFRA Lifetime Achievement Award, very exciting and well deserved. But my first question is about new stores. There's no guidance for FY '26. Are you finding it more challenging to find sites given the lack of construction of large-format retail? You did six stores in '25, including relocations. Can you do six again this year? Or is that going to be too much of a stretch given the current environment?

Ian Robinson

executive
#20

Yes. So I think the rollout of the stores gets a little bit lumpy because a lot of the building projects are delayed for various reasons. So we saw that happen over the last couple of years where we didn't put very many up in 1 year, and then they all fall in the following year. At the moment, we've got plenty of stores, but whether they're all going to fall into '26 is the question.

Glen Robinson

executive
#21

Yes. I think, Sam, in our store strategy vision piece that we put together, it's quite a large and comprehensive document that we've pulled together. Part of the core of that is that we are looking for four new stores every year, and that's what we will try to commit to is four stores and two relocations into stronger premises. So that is the goal. Whether they all fall into the financial year, I mean, you might end up with one falling into the next year and then you end up with five in one and three in another. But generally speaking, that's what we're targeting at the moment.

Ian Robinson

executive
#22

Yes. And I think if you look back over the last 3 years, we continue to invest heavily into new stores, bigger formats, more exciting presentations, better architecture presentation, better profiles of those stores. Those stores are yet really to hit the expectations that we think they were. They're there really to future-proof the business for the future.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#23

Sure. And then on gross margins, it's another great outcome for the business. Are the factories giving you better prices as a result of the U.S. tariffs? Or if not now, do you think that might still come in the near term?

Glen Robinson

executive
#24

We haven't seen any really significant change in the pricing. We can -- when we're bringing out 550-odd new items, you can obviously innovate in those product items and manage the pricing and all that. But generally speaking, from the regular products that we've been purchasing over a longer period of time, we haven't seen big price reductions, particularly since the tariffs. And from what -- Ian and I and the rest of the product team are up in China quite frequently. And some of those factories are doing it pretty hard because of the -- all the stop start that's happening in America. When you're doing it tough and you've got a consistent supplier like Beacon, we've become a very important customer to them. And -- but they can't afford to necessarily go chopping their margin either to try to get potentially more volume. So it is a bit of a balance at the moment up there. I think we're still -- what's exciting for us is that we've got a great team that continues to innovate the product range, and that's been able to allow us to deliver some pretty solid and consistent margins, which despite pushing quite heavily into trade, I think we've all been very happy with the results.

Ian Robinson

executive
#25

I think -- the thing that we really enjoy is that we're not getting the annual increases that we were getting. So we would normally see every -- after Chinese New Year, you'd see prices increase. Well, we're not seeing that, and we're getting reasonable buying prices. So we're working with these factories for 10, 20 years, and they're an important part of our future. So we want to make sure that they're still around.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#26

Okay. And on the costs, they grew in aggregate at 3.1%, which at a headline level sounds positive, but the business did have to cut marketing to get there with most other costs growing between 6% to 7%. Can you talk about the marketing costs you made, how you get comfort that it hasn't attracted from your sales? And what are you budgeting for marketing in FY '26?

Glen Robinson

executive
#27

Yes. I think where we came through this year with marketing was probably a bit lower than what we would typically spend. And we might be looking to increase that a little bit, but we'll be looking for other cost savings across the business to be able to support that. There is obviously an offset between if you're spending less on marketing, you can potentially restrict your sales a bit. And I don't know whether we saw that directly, but I definitely think we're below 5% in the percent of sales on marketing, and that is reasonably unusual for us. It's not the first time we've done it, but it is unusual. I think we'll be having a more standard year next year.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#28

Okay. Great. And just one more, if I can. Trade has been a really good success for the company in recent years, but until recently, retail has been quite subdued. There is some concern out there that the growth in trade has come somewhat from retail as arguably it's the same end consumer just buying in a different way. Do you want to use this forum as a way to address this concern?

Glen Robinson

executive
#29

Look, Sam, part of that is the truth and it is accurate. We sell to homeowners and we sell to electricians and builders and designers. And sometimes those homeowners will use their electrician or builder to buy their product through Beacon Lighting. Sometimes that electrician or builder will send the customer, the homeowner into Beacon Lighting because they have trust in the Beacon Lighting product range. So it is part of this whole 2030 strategy is that we're trying to bring those two groups together that a trade customer doesn't work in isolation. They're working for a homeowner in our category because we're only focused on the home. So the trade customer works for the homeowner, the homeowner generates the inspiration and the will to take on these projects, whether it be renovations or rebuilds, and they need trade customers to be involved in that. Trade customers have the ability to make recommendations about who they should be buying from. And we want more trade customers to be referring Beacon Lighting as the main source of lighting and electrical for their customers. So there is absolutely some crossover there. Where we get comfort that we're growing in the total market, though, is that we can introduce new categories like cable, down lights, switches, and they're really well accepted by our electricians and builders. So where they had previously purchased those categories from other suppliers out there, they're now buying that product from Beacon Lighting. So yes, there is definitely some crossover there. It's not the entire story. But if we continue to reinforce that partnership with our trade customers, they'll continue to send more and more customers to us because we don't get the whole lot at the moment. And when we have a look at the trade market, we've been able to grow our trade market share from about 2% from where we started back in 2020 to now around about 6% of that trade market that we're chasing. So we're certainly heading in the right direction, but we're still a very small player in what is quite a large market, and there's still lots of product introductions that we can bring into the market to grow in those categories and the share of wallet with those trade customers.

Operator

operator
#30

The next question is from Amanda Kelly at Barrenjoey.

Amanda Kelly

analyst
#31

Congrats on the result. I'm just helping out [ Ari ] today. Just a couple from us, if possible. I guess, firstly, just any color you can provide on what the actual total trade sales growth in FY '25 year-on-year was?

Glen Robinson

executive
#32

Yes. So we had obviously store sales growth up 24%. Commercial was flat, and we indicated that Masson and Custom were slightly down. So if you think maybe sort of high-ish teens, that's sort of where we're talking.

Amanda Kelly

analyst
#33

Right. And just confirming, is that on a 53-week year-on-year basis?

David Speirs

executive
#34

That will be a comparable 52-week basis.

Amanda Kelly

analyst
#35

Okay. And just how should we think about the gross profit margin in FY '26? I guess, what are the moving parts behind that?

Glen Robinson

executive
#36

Well, I think we're starting to see freight costs. It goes up and down a bit, but freight costs seem like they're getting a bit more under control. The Aussie dollar, as I said in my presentation, it's relatively stable. It's been stable for a bit of time now. So that certainly helps. If we've got stability in our pricing from the factories, which we have, we sort of indicated that, that we're not seeing major changes up there. It's really only going to be the mix, the mix of the products that we're selling. So I think we're in a reasonably comfortable position to continue to deliver strong gross profit margins. We have seen an uptick in some of those trade essential categories that we've introduced into the business. some of those are at lower margins. And as we continue to excel in those areas, then they might have a bit of an effect on the overall gross profit margin. But I think for the financial year '26 period, I think we should be reasonably comfortable where we are.

Ian Robinson

executive
#37

Yes, we don't think there will be much movement. So any movement up or down will be relatively minor.

Amanda Kelly

analyst
#38

And just one final one. What total international revenue growth did you have in FY '25?

Glen Robinson

executive
#39

I have to look that one up.

David Speirs

executive
#40

The international, it was -- we have positive growth. It was up by over 6% in the total Beacon International, 6.5%.

Operator

operator
#41

The next question is from Emily Porter at Morgans.

Emily Porter

analyst
#42

Congratulations on the results. Maybe if I can just go back to the comment you made about Victoria improving. I guess I'm just interested if you're seeing an underlying improvement in the consumer there? Or is part of this really driven by you're now starting to comp these sort of soft numbers here? Any color you can give there?

Glen Robinson

executive
#43

Yes. Look, there's a bit of both, I think. I think when you have rate cuts in a more depressed market, then they probably have a stronger effect on spending. So I think we're probably seeing a little bit of that. Victoria is our strongest trade state by volume. So they have historically always been a very strong -- well, over the last 5 years or so, been a stronger performer in trade sales. So that has certainly helped us well. But we are just seeing a gradual uptick in performance. I think also what is very worthwhile noting is that our tenure in Victoria has been very strong. So our store manager tenure has increased in Victoria. And I think that's really important to have a strong, stable team. They're very confident at what they do across our entire network that know how to perform well with trade customers and retail customers and deliver great levels of customer service has certainly helped us get into maybe a slightly more positive position than what we've seen over the last couple of years.

Emily Porter

analyst
#44

That's great. And maybe just another question on international. I guess, Hong Kong and Europe doing well, U.S. softer. Maybe if you can just give a bit more color by region on how things are going?

Glen Robinson

executive
#45

Yes. Well, Hong Kong is the biggest market that we have internationally and that business, as we said in the deck, had a double-digit increase. So to have your largest section of the business performing at double digits is fantastic to see. And it's also our most profitable part of the business as well from the international businesses. So it's good to see that driving well. I think what we're really pleased with in the European business is we continue to grow our base of customers. So we're not reliant on only a few customers here and there. We've got a really strong base of customers that puts us in a good position to continue to grow into the future. And then U.S., I mean, yes, U.S. has been certainly a challenging market. It's a very small business for us. If we went back, say, 3 or 4 years ago when they're going through -- we were all going through COVID, it was an exciting market because we were mostly selling on e-commerce channels and e-commerce obviously took off. And that was good for us back then, but it's certainly not as exciting market. But as I said, it's a small part of our -- very small part of our international business and a much smaller part of our total business. So we'll continue to work on the U.S. business, but very happy with U.S. and Hong Kong.

David Speirs

executive
#46

Very happy with Europe and Hong Kong.

Glen Robinson

executive
#47

Sorry. Europe and Hong Kong. Thanks for the correction there.

David Speirs

executive
#48

That's right. U.S.A. is work in progress.

Operator

operator
#49

The next question is from James Casey at Ord Minnett.

James Casey

analyst
#50

Just with regards to your 2030 vision, I suspect it's a larger piece of work than the one slide you presented today. Is there any comments you can make on how that may impact the store format, larger formats going forward? Can you just make some comments on that question?

Glen Robinson

executive
#51

Yes. Look, the format and the renovation or refurb sort of activity isn't a big feature of the 2030 strategy. It's important, and it is in there, but you won't see the stores dramatically changing over the next 5 years. That's not core to the strategy. What's probably more core to the strategy is what we tried to indicate on that one slide. And you're right, there's a lot more detail in it than just one slide. But really trying to bring -- let me rewind a little bit. When we started in trade back in 2020, we had to distinctively market the two different areas, retail and trade. And we did that on purpose so that our store teams could see that there is a different opportunity here. It's a market that's 2x the size of our current retail market. And we have to tackle that market specifically. direct communication with trade customers, have particular activities that are going to drive those sales. And that ends up creating two channels of sales that you've got this retail and trade, but it's all transacted through the same store presence. What we'll be doing over the next 5 years is bringing those partnerships or those relationships back together because as I said to Sam in his question, [Audio Gap] doesn't work in isolation. They need the trade customer to support their projects. So we're trying to make those connections stronger. So when a homeowner walks into the store, we can connect them with the trade customer. And at the moment, that feels a little bit clumsy in our stores and it's something that we're working to improve, and you can do that through systems and processes. So that's sort of part of the core of the strategy. The other big part of the core is building operational improvements into our business. So over the past 10 years, we've grown quite a lot since listing and the business has performed well. But the operations itself haven't evolved dramatically over that period of time. And I think when we've got 900 team members across our store network, they have got some incredible ideas on how you can improve operations. So we've built a continuous improvement program, which provides us with feedback direct from the floor about how we can make their lives, our team's lives easier in store so that we can focus more on the sales activities that we want to focus on rather than processing issues within the business. So that's a big part as well. Now when you hear that from a lot of businesses, that means there's going to be a lot of investment in IT and software and all that. And that is sometimes the case. But we've -- just over the last 4 weeks, we've launched a new -- we're calling it a mini CRM. And for most businesses of our size, when you put in the CRM, you're talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars to put in a CRM. We've put a very effective CRM into place in our stores, which integrates with our point-of-sale system, which has been an internal built system with feedback from the stores about what they need to see, and it's cost us tens of thousands of dollars. And that's the effectiveness that bringing your team closer to the decision-making can have on our business. And that's just one example of many that we're working on at the moment. So it's exciting times, and there's still plenty of work to go because we're on it very early.

Ian Robinson

executive
#52

There's many facets to them. When we launched on the trade initiative, there was multiple facets, different programs, tens, 100 different types of programs. And you can expect that with the retail initiative as well, there will be a lot of programs supporting this initiative. So it's just not one part. It's a serious working document.

James Casey

analyst
#53

Okay. In terms of trading conditions, Obviously, you've had a bit of a subdued backdrop with regards to the housing sector. Housing approvals are starting to pick up at the moment as is the renovation spend. Can you just make some comments as to what you're seeing or what you expect to see in terms of the housing sector over the next year or 2?

Glen Robinson

executive
#54

Yes. Look, I think as you see, rates easing. We should start to see a bit of a pickup in housing. What I think we have been fortunate with is that house prices apart from in Victoria have been still pretty strong across most of the other states. So most homeowners feel like they've still got some good value in their home, which is positive for us. But we do need to see an increase in the turnover rate or churn rate of homes. And hopefully, with maybe some further easing of rates, we can start to see a bit more churn coming through. So I think it's still early days. But what we are mostly concentrating on is that like what I was saying before, we can concentrate on what we can do and we operate in the market that everyone else is operating in, but we are still a relatively small player in a trade market. We've got $125 million of over a $2 billion industry, and that's really what we're focusing on. So the markets go up and down, and I've been in this business now for over 30 years, Ian has been in the business for over 50 years. And we see the markets go up and down, it's about what are we doing internally to make sure that we improve year-on-year. And when we went through COVID, we hit a new high for the business in sales and very much about over the last few years is making sure that we can continue to grow from that high, and we have been able to do that. So that consistency for us is more important rather than, yes, we look at the external stuff, but it's not what we focus on. We focus on our internal things that we can control.

James Casey

analyst
#55

Okay. Last quick one. Just the -- obviously, a solid financial performance. So perhaps a little unfair. The only area of weakness was the cash flow from operations. David, was there anything you wanted to call out there in particular that may have impacted that cash flow from operations?

David Speirs

executive
#56

I think we did build up some stock for our Beacon Lighting stores in the year. So that sort of caused...

James Casey

analyst
#57

Just the working capital outflow.

David Speirs

executive
#58

Yes, yes, yes. And it was [indiscernible] increase in stock for our core business as well. So we want to be well stocked for our customers. When they come into the store, they can get what they want.

Operator

operator
#59

The next question comes from [indiscernible] at Citi.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#60

Congrats on the result. Just one from me. Could you just help us think about net interest and D&A in FY '26? Is it fair to assume a similar step-up in both?

David Speirs

executive
#61

Yes, I would think so. I mean a lot of that's driven by our property activities and lease accounting. I think interest rates are coming down, so that does help our lease accounting in finance expense. And we're probably going to have a similar level of activity in next year as we did this year. So does that sort of help a little bit?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#62

Yes, that's clear.

Operator

operator
#63

The next question is from Claudia White at Morgans. There are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to hand the call back to Mr. Robinson for closing remarks.

Ian Robinson

executive
#64

All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. If there's no other questions, I wish you a pleasant day, and thank you for your interest in Beacon Lighting.

Glen Robinson

executive
#65

Yes. Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#66

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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