Beazley plc (BEZ.L) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 22, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorHello, and welcome to the Beazley conference call. My name is Jas and I'll be your coordinator for today's event. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, Andrew Horton, Chief Executive, to begin today's call. Thank you.
David Horton
executiveThank you. Good morning, everybody. We put out a statement at 7:00 this morning, updating the market on our contingency claims. So to give a bit of background. When we estimated our COVID-19 losses at $170 million in April and then gave it a further update in July, stating that number was fine at that point in time, it has a certain estimate of when the world would return to some form of normality, especially in the event cancellation space. If you remember back in April, we set up $170 million: $100 million was property reinsurance and marine; and $70 million was through our political, accident and contingency division, the majority of that $70 million being for contingency. We also, I think, talked about our clash reinsurance program and our clash reinsurance program picks up an aggregation of events coming from the same cause. So the contingency division was using some reinsurance almost from the ground up for the clash reinsurance program. So our initial contingency losses, other than bearing a small amount for ourselves, we're going into the reinsurance program. So when we announced the $70 million, those were items that didn't fit into the reinsurance program at that time. But the gross number was somewhat larger than the $70 million. Now what we've seen, of course, since then is not a return to normality. We have a lot of exposure in the U.K. and the U.S. and with hindsight, I suppose, well, when we were in July, we thought the U.K. was definitely improving then, and we're seeing the U.K. moving backwards as far as COVID-19 and many events that were postponed in the springtime of this year starting to be canceled end of August, beginning of September. That has led us to review the future exposure and take a prudent, in my view, outlook on what's going to happen in the fourth quarter of this year. And then also looking into 2021, where we have exposure and determining an estimate of what is likely to be canceled in 2021, particularly on the conferencing, our book is split, virtually 50-50 between conferences and sporting events and generally sporting events have been going ahead, although not to the same extent as they would, but it minimizes or reduces the overall loss compared with the limit we put out. So we've now estimated a loss of about further $170 million, so it's now $340 million. Almost all of that $170 million extra is event cancellation, contingency losses. Remaining losses in the other lines of business are fine. Some small movements between them, but generally, that is holding. We've also put in the statement, if 2021 doesn't recover at all, what extra exposure do we have for the conference world, mainly these sporting events for the remainder of 2021, and that is the $50 million, if the world does not get any form of normality with the expectation of vaccines or anything else coming along in Q1 and Q2, to try to give an outer bound of what could actually take place during the year. We then obviously talked about our business planning for 2021 outside contingency. Although the contingency market, not surprising, is moving very rapidly at this point in time with good rate increases. The business generally is going well. Rates, the rate of rate increases continues to accelerate. So each month of the year, we see a higher rate than previous years, and that's why we put out the latest rate change for 2020 and, not surprising, that's feeding into our thought process for planning of 2021, with good growth in a number of business lines. As we mentioned at the half year, there were still some recession-prone lines, which we continue to focus on, and our view of those lines has not changed. The capital is in place for future growth. On the capital side, that's always an area we're focused on historically. We obviously -- Sally negotiated -- who's on the call with me, negotiated the $450 million letter of credit, so we have the other half of the letter of credit to use if needs be. No expectation or not planning to use it at this point. So it's not in our capital stack at the moment, we have that. And if we wanted further capital relief at some point in the future, we don't want to buy too much reinsurance, but there is plenty of reinsurers who would like to reinsure our book in 2021 as the market is moving very positively. So if we wanted further capital relief into 2021 and growth was greater than planned, we would look to our reinsurers as we did earlier on this year by doing a small-ish, quicker share of our specialty lines and executive risk book. That's what all I was going to cover, and I think it would be good to go over to questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Kamran Hossain from RBC.
Kamran Hossain
analystThe first question is just a clarification. The additional $170 million of claims, is that all in 2020? Or does some of that pull into 2021? And the second question is on, I guess, the capitalization. So eyeballing it, it feels like you're towards the lower end of your range. Have you seen anything concerning in Q3 cat season that's been pretty active so far? I assume not, given you haven't said anything, but is there anything that we should tie together with cash position and kind of hurricane or active cat season in Q3 so far to imply something on your capital position?
David Horton
executiveSo Kamran, the first question, the $170 million is the number we expect to book in 2020. So this is a view of what we expect the losses to be, assuming a recovery, let's say, end of Q2, early Q3 next year. So that is the number we expect to book. It's an unaudited number, and I'm sure Sally will have conversations with the auditors over whether we're being too prudent or not prudent enough, but that is the number we're expecting to book at this point. And therefore, that's the number we've taken off our capital when determining our capital planning and supporting the 2021 plan. The $50 million, of course, is not something booking because this is not our central expectation, but this is our expectation if things don't improve over the late spring/summer next year of what sort of exposure we could have in the conference area, estimating the current level of limit being paid for conferences that are canceled, applied to some conferences and some sporting events going forward. And of course, that will not be booked this year because that's not our central expectation. That would be booked next year, if things don't improve. On the other areas, I mean, it would be great to give you an update on absolutely everything that's going on. But the catastrophes that are taking -- or have taken place or just finishing, it's difficult to estimate the impact on those at the moment. You can read from market reports, sort of the size of them. None are particularly large, the estimates of what the rating agencies or other agencies are coming out with at this point, but it was very difficult to update. And as we mentioned in the statement, our aim would be to update on that in our normal timing of the November statement. And there's no reason to give a further update at this point.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Ben Cohen from Investec.
Benjamin Cohen
analystI wanted to ask 2 things. Firstly, on the size of the contingency loss. I just wonder if you could give a bit more detail in terms of your timing on the visibility of the increase in the loss. It didn't seem to me that you had flagged the quantum of the potential downside. Indeed, I think it sounded from previous disclosures that you were sort of indicating that you had substantial reinsurance protection in place. So I just wonder if you could talk more about that and about the reinsurance protection. The second question was, could you actually quantify where you see yourselves now in terms of your sort of Solvency II-like capital, I think you gave 122% at the half year looking forward. How much impact? Where do you see it being now given maybe stronger growth, but presumably weaker capital?
David Horton
executiveOkay. Yes. So the visibility of -- when you say the visibility of loss, from our point of view, we -- as I say, we started seeing things being canceled towards the end of August when U.K. and other parts of the world were not improving and in fact going backwards. So we started seeing that, and that's why we're having the update now. And in July, we didn't have that. Then we've got to -- on the reinsurance cover, we did talk about the clash reinsurance cover and the clash reinsurance cover is more a bottom-up reinsurance cover rather than excess of loss. So it doesn't kick in when you've got that many losses. It kicks in relatively low on our retention. Our retention on the clash reinsurance is about $25 million. So we bear the first $25 million and then it goes into the reinsurance program. And then after the reinsurance program is used up, it then starts coming back to us. So we -- so the contingency events for the first 6 months, most of which, a fair chunk of which were going into the clash reinsurance program. And I think that's why the contingency loss was relatively small. Now perhaps we could have explained that more clearly. But that's in effect, the way the clash reinsurance actually works. And then after the clash reinsurance has been utilized, there is no further reinsurance in place, and therefore, everything comes back to us, net. So when we're looking forward, we're looking forward every event cancellation that we incur, comes back to us or is in our P&L account. So that's how the reinsurance works. Just as an aside, the clash reinsurance program does have a reinstatement. So reinstate any other event. So if there was a cyber event or any other event that took place in the same calendar year, the reinsurance program is fully loaded with nothing being utilized. And that's one of the costs we incur. So as a contingency team, we use up the [ compliant way ], whereas the contingency uses up the cash program. It also has a cost of reinstatement of the program within our estimated loss because we have to pay the reinsurers for the reinstatement. So that's on the reinsurance. On the capital, the capital forecasting, Solvency II capital is not a straightforward thing. And that's why when we went to the Solvency II world, we increased the old buffer from 10% to 15% to 25% because it's more volatile. In relatively straightforward terms, the simple calculation would be to take the 22%, take the $170 million post-tax off it, and you will end up at the bottom end of our range in simple terms. And obviously, it has more elements to that. But the 22%, when we stated that type of number, it was already capitalizing the expected growth for 2021. So this is our capital number at the end of the year, assuming the growth we had planned. That hasn't fundamentally changed. So that capital is in place for the growth, both on our Lloyd's platform and in our U.S. admitted carrier, which also needs more capital for growth at the end of the year. So that's covering the capital requirements of 2021 within that number.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Iain Pearce from Credit Suisse.
Iain Pearce
analystJust 2 for me. Since the half year, have you had any changes in the Lloyd's capital model with increased capital loading? Or is that still operating on the same basis when we're looking forward? And then in terms of growth for next year, you talked about double-digit growth expectations. Is that mainly rate-driven? Or do you expect to be growing volumes as well as right in that double digit number?
David Horton
executiveOkay. I'll hand over to Sally. I don't think the Lloyd's capital model has changed. We, of course, use our own internal capital model and Lloyd's approve what we actually do. But Sally, I don't think there's been any change in how Lloyd's assessed our capital model, has it?
Sally Lake
executiveNo, no. But the numbers that we gave at half year, as Andrew said, allow for the business plan that we...
David Horton
executiveYes, submitting.
Sally Lake
executiveNext year. But no, there's no kind of regulatory or Lloyd's changes coming through on that. No.
David Horton
executiveNo. And on the second -- what's the second question? I forgot to note it down.
Iain Pearce
analystRate and volume.
David Horton
executiveThe rate and volume. That's a great question, and I'll say it's one of my favorite topics internally, the rate and volume. So if -- when we're looking at the double-digit growth next year, we're not expecting the rate to go up as high as this year. So we're expecting single digit, mid-single-digit rating increase at this point in time, and then the rest is volume. So it's going to be a combination because now we believe it's worth taking on more exposure, having seen 2 to 3 years of rate increases, we think the year is as good a year, if not better than this year, to take on more exposure. So our view is, yes, we will be taking on more exposure. That's why we need to put more capital up for that.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Andrew Ritchie from Autonomous.
Andrew Ritchie
analystSo just to clarify, on the clash cover, I appreciate the event -- the contingency losses are kind of one event. And obviously, you've reinstated it, should there be losses from the other books. But is there not a reinstatement for 2021, because some of these losses are 2021? So I'm puzzled why there's no protection on that basis on these losses are from a different accident year or is that not how...
David Horton
executiveNo. But we're ensuring mainly on an underwriting year, Andrew, and therefore, they're being written into a specific underwriting year and the reinsurance protections covering the year much are underwritten rather than the accident year in which they are earning.
Andrew Ritchie
analystOkay. Okay. And then the second question, given that some of your contingency book has renewed and all this business was written pre-COVID? Or pre any -- because once COVID became a known issue...
David Horton
executiveSince March, no new exposures given. Now some events are written a year or 2 in advance of when they take place because some of these events take quite a lot of organizing and therefore buy it. So for example, if you look at the Qatar World Cup and things like that, are written several years before, and 1 or 2 of the large conferences are written 1 or 2 years before. The majority of the exposure is in the year in which we're writing it. So we have -- most of the exposure is between April to March, but there are some things that buys on a multiyear basis or buys in advance of that.
Andrew Ritchie
analystGot it. Understood. And to the extent it's all related to the same underwriting year is treated as...
David Horton
executiveYes. In 1 year, [ described like that. ]
Andrew Ritchie
analystAnd just a final clarification then. We are -- there's no reason for us to think differently then from the reinsurance protection for the casualty for the rest of the specialty book, i.e. there is protection from a reinstated clash, which you've incurred the cost of as well as casual, there's additional specialty volatility protection. I think you flagged that...
David Horton
executiveYes, that's right. Yes, nothing has changed on the reinsurance protection for the casualty lines.
Andrew Ritchie
analystOkay. And just to clarify again, you haven't drawn down any of the remaining unutilized LOC, as it was, I can't remember what the number was but...
David Horton
executiveNo, we haven't.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Ming Zhu from Panmure Gordon.
Ming Zhu
analystFirst and if you've given some color on the investment return by end of August, but obviously, the market has been quite tough since sort of September. Is there any color you could provide on that? And also with the possible interest rate outlook? And then my second question is, those claims and you currently estimate, you provided they are your first-party claims, and is there any color you could provide in terms of the third-party claims, please?
David Horton
executiveOkay. So if I do -- I mean nothing's really changed since the July -- third-party claims happen in slower motion than first-party claims. So it's -- nothing's changed from our update in July on the third-party claims. So it's going to be -- we still have the view of recession-prone, as we talked about in July, and therefore, we'll be taking evasive action in the recession-prone claims, changing our underwriting appetite and our employment practices' liability and so on. But nothing has happened in the claims environment over the past couple of months, to be able to give any further update on it. And I think that's going to be quite hard to do because the claims come in on a slower basis. They take longer to review, determine whether they're valid or not going to settle. So there's nothing -- there's no further update in the third-party claims. Of course, any estimation for that just gets taken account in our Solvency II capital model as well, so we have the modelers that are doing it. And again, no change in that, and our capital at the end of the year takes that into account at the half year. So there is nothing on that. Sally, I don't know if you want to talk about the investment world. I mean not much has changed in that either but we have a cautious stance on it.
Sally Lake
executiveYes. No, that's exactly what I was going to say, Andrew. So yes, we gave an update at the end of August, just because it's a month-end day, and we plan to give the usual fuller trading update at the beginning of November, where we'll obviously give a lot more detail on other areas. Obviously, today, we're just mainly focused on the contingency update. And I think I'll just reiterate what Andrew said that given the uncertainty globally at the moment, we remain relatively cautious in terms of how we're approaching our investments. And obviously, given the interest rates, I think we spoke about this briefly at the half year as well, obviously, our expectations for the future have reduced because of running yields has reduced somewhat as well.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Faizan Lakhani from HSBC.
Faizan Lakhani
analystJust a few sort of follow-up questions. One with the clash cover, how much -- have you already had discussions with reinsurers in terms of renewing your clash cover? And are you looking at increased sort of cost of running that program? That's question one. And question two, just coming back to the capital as well. I appreciate it's quite early to give details on Q3 losses, but right now, given the nature of the loss in quite a few marine and aviation claims, you guys you have exposure to hurricane. Does that -- it seems from the outside very early days, that could have an impact on your capital ratio, given that you're already near the bottom end of your range. I mean how should we be thinking about that?
David Horton
executiveOkay. So I think it's very -- it's just hard to answer the -- to your second question because, as I say it, when we look at them, they look mid-sized catastrophes in the grand scheme of things, little data at the moment about what claims we're going to get, pretty good reinsurance protection certainly in the marine world, haven't really picked up anything on the aviation front. So I'm not sure about that because we certainly haven't been debating any losses from these right around aviation. And our aviation book is not that large. So it just -- it's just too early to make that call. So we can't really update on it. And on the first one, yes, I mean will the clash cover cost more to reinstate or to buy for the following year? I mean the answer is yes, because reinsurers and insurers respond to claims. And as the clash reinsurers will have a total loss in 2020, they will definitely be charging for the renewal at a higher rate. It will be renewed. So it's not an issue of not having the capacity there over renewal. Will pandemic cover be given within it? I think it's highly unlikely, if I was a betting man, over whether they'll get pandemic cover again. But that's not really an issue because we haven't got pandemic cover to hedge because we're not getting it on the insurance program. So there's no problem having a reinsurance program as long as it matches your insurance. So I think the changes to the clash cover will be definitely an increased rate, and I think it will definitely be not giving pandemic for contingency. But other than that, it will renew. I mean the main focus of the clash cover for us as we've debated it over the past few years, it's for our casualty book. And what we worry about is an aggregation of claims in the casualty books, all lawyers being sued for the same thing or all architects being sued for the same thing. And that's why we have that catastrophe casualty protection in place. Therefore, it's still be -- and cyber.
Faizan Lakhani
analystSo I assume the pricing rating changes that you show do not adjust for the increase in potential reinsurance cost [ that you have seen? ]
David Horton
executiveJust so -- no. I mean those are on our book. Sort of around the inwards insurance book as opposed to what we're paying more for reinsurance. Yes, you're right.
Faizan Lakhani
analystSo if you were to adjust the ballpark, where would you sit in terms of your...
David Horton
executiveI'm not sure that matters too much. Because as long as -- I mean I think if everything went up by the same number, then we end up in net position, all growing. It's not because we're actually spending a lot less on reinsurance and we're insuring because we still got a net premium book. So I mean I think the reinsurance spend, I think, some go up at each year and some don't move each year and we have that every year just as the insurance does. So -- and then the clash, although it's an important program, isn't the biggest spend on reinsurance. We spend the quota share reinsurance. The specialty lines is by far larger. So I'm not sure it matters, and I don't know what the number is yet because we're still negotiating it.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Oliver Ralph from The Financial Times.
Oliver Ralph;The Financial Times;Breaking News Editor
attendeeIs the increasing amounts today in the cost, is that mainly due to conferences? Or is it sports or music events or other types of events? Are there any particular events that you...
David Horton
executiveSo we have no -- sorry, I missed you. It's not in anyway -- sorry, we're talking at the same time. You go.
Oliver Ralph;The Financial Times;Breaking News Editor
attendeeAre there any particular events that you can point to that are particularly large?
David Horton
executiveThe answer is no because we don't tend to talk about individual areas, but it's mainly -- it has a smaller element of sporting events. The majority of it is conferences, mainly because sporting events are taking place and have taken place over the summer. And the view is that they will continue to take place when we have the equivalent ones in the spring and summer next year. So it's mainly conferences, yes. We don't talk about -- Oliver, we don't talk about specific events we cover.
Operator
operatorThere are currently no questions in the queue. [Operator Instructions] We have no further questions coming through. So I'll hand back over to your host for closing remarks.
David Horton
executiveWell, thank you for joining us today. Hopefully, the update is clear. If you do have any further questions, please do come back to Sally or I. Thank you very much.
Operator
operatorThank you for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.
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