Best Agrolife Limited (539660) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 8, 2025
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Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Best Agrolife Limited Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. Today from the management side, we have with us Mr. Vimal Kumar, Managing Director; Mr. Surendra Sai, Director; and Mr. Vikas Jain, Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Vimal Kumar for his opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Vimal Kumar
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the quarter 1 financial year '26 earnings call for Best Agrolife Limited. This monsoon, we observed a mixed season with most parts of India witnessing normal to above normal rainfall with the expectation of Telangana and Maharashtra. In certain regions, this variability impacted sowing activity. Despite these regular climatic variations, which is a fair year for agriculture. We are pleased to report that our newly launched patented product are performing well in their debut season. This quarter, we have a convertible steps to strengthen our sales performance from the group, given our path to the disciplined approach in sales, we are reducing inventories and improving margins. As per our expectations, we have seen a margin improvement on a lower base of quarter 1 revenue numbers when compared with year-on-year, quarter-on-quarter. We view this in alignment with our strategic decision to implement revised share policies with the aim to increase profitability, reduce excess placement and reduce inventory levels across the value chain and focusing on our patented molecules. We made a deliberate shift from early product placement to focus on more sales during this season. This, we believe, be a critical step toward building, a learner and more sustainable business model. While this has resulted in a dip in Q1 revenues, we see this approach towards positive outcome in terms of lower sales returns and lower inventories. In addition to that, this year's season is a little bit late, because of the monsoon delays in various states. Our patented formulations Shot Down, Potakin, Bestman, along with Hustler, Shiffler, and [indiscernible] under the Sudarshan Farm brand have received positive feedback from the field. Channel partners and farmers have found our products to be excellent. Over 5 lakh acres, coverage was achieved by Shot Down and Hustler in their very first season, which is again our patented molecule for the soybeans herbicides. Farmers are trusting our products and our innovation-based approach. Overall market feedback and sentiment to work the best and Sudarshan brands is positive. We received two new patents in quarter 1 both of which are novel insecticide plus fungicide combinations. One patent is for a novel formulation combining [indiscernible] by [indiscernible] or Dinotefuran and [indiscernible]. This combination offers a broad spectrum pest and disease control across key crops such as paddy, cotton, brinjal, groundnut, soybean. This formulation is designed to target multiple major pests like [indiscernible] and this is including blast and powdery substance. This second patent granted this quarter was for a unique combination of [indiscernible] tebuconazole. This combination can provide comprehensive management of white crops [indiscernible] and fungal infections like lead spots and blast. This product will be applicable approach a wide spectrum of crops such as chilly, soybean, maize, mango, pea and grapes. This quarter, we received new CRIM registration, which we call [ 93 ] CRIM registration for [indiscernible] which is 3-way formulation containing Spiromesifen, hexythiazox, abamectin. This product is useful against black flies and yellow mites. Our products Ronfen, which is an advanced combination of [indiscernible] Pyriproxyfen, and [indiscernible] is now approved for crop like chilly and cotton. This product targets aphids, black thrips, whiteflies, and jassids. Looking ahead, we remain optimistic about the kharif season. I'm confident in our ability to sustain momentum through a combination of product innovation, margin improvement and operational efficiency. Now I will hand over the floor to our CFO, Mr. Vikas Jain, who will take you through the financial highlights. Thank you very much.
Vikas Jain
executiveThank you, Vimal ji, and good afternoon to all the participants. Let me walk you through the key financial and operational performance for Q1 FY '26. As mentioned, coming to the first point with respect to dip in the sales, there were various reasons. So the most important will be shaped by our strategic shifting sales policy, which deferred a portion of our order placements closer to the season along with the details mentioned by Vimal ji wherein there was a considerable delay in season, especially in the South and also our strategy to place less Ronfen during June and mostly to do it in cash sales closer to the season in the month of July and August. So these were the reasons that we will -- even explained in our earlier calls as well that were result in much lesser sales in June, but also that this will give a good benefit and a good quarter for Q2. So coming to -- despite this, the overall reduction in the sale was 25%, 27% year-on-year from INR 519 crores in Q1 FY '25 to INR 382 crores this quarter. We were able to maintain profitability and improve margin metrics a significant validation of our margin focused execution strategy for this year. Even though we believe that we will have much lesser sales returns this year, we have done provision for sales returns on a higher side on a conservative basis. So for this quarter, we have made close to INR 50 crores plus sales return provision which is there, even though we believe that this actual sales return will be much, much lesser than this. Despite the year-on-year dip in revenue, the company's profitability improved driven by a richer product mix and disciplined pricing. Gross margin stood at INR 111 crores with a margin percentage improving to 30% from 24% year-on-year. EBITDA for the quarter came in at INR 46 crores compared to INR 55 crores in the same period last year with EBITDA margin expanding by 140 basis points to 12%. Profit after tax remained stable at INR 20 crores, resulting in a PAT margin of 5%, up from 4% in Q1 FY '25. On a sequential basis, operating efficiency improved significantly with EBITDA margin expanding by 960 basis points and PAT margin improving by 1,300 basis points, highlighting a strong turnaround from Q4 FY '25. We believe the implementation of our revised sales policies will yield clear benefits with a significant reduction in sales return in the upcoming quarters, contributing to improved inventory hygiene and enhanced profitability. Strategic restructuring across regional operations have also led to reduced operating expenses and tighter cost control. Our pivot towards in-season execution continues to prove effective, enabling us to respond more accurately to real-time demand, minimize exposure to excess placements and enhance working capital efficiency. This has resulted in much lower sales return in this quarter itself. So last year similar quarter, we had close to INR 35 crores to INR 40 crores return whereas during this quarter, it was only INR 13 crores. Looking ahead, we anticipate a revenue pickup in Q2, aligned with seasonal trends and delay kharif sowing. We are targeting a conservative annual revenue for FY '26, '27, which can be in the range of INR 1,600 crores to INR 1,700 crores with an annual EBITDA margin expected to exceed 15% plus. We expect our strong margin profile to be supported by the growing contribution of patented high-margin formulations. So for this quarter, our patented portfolio within the brand sales was close to 45% as compared to 29% last year. Accordingly, we see -- we foresee continued improvement in the operating leverage as a result of optimized fleet operations and more efficient marketing spend. These factors collectively position us for sustained growth and profitability in the coming quarters. In closing Q1 results underscore our ability to deliver profitability and margin expansion, even in a transitional phase, we are confident that the operational foundation late this quarter will translate into stronger performance in the coming quarters. I will now hand over the call to Mr. Sai, who will take you through the international business highlights.
N. Sai
executiveThank you, Mr. Vikas for the update. We thank you for your efforts to improve margins through financial discipline. We continue to work on developing the international business segment. We have successfully completed 3 assignments to an African nation with advanced payment terms. And we are expecting repeat business based on our service and quality. We have received interest in registration of patented products in African countries, which is including for us Ronfen, and we will be pursuing registration with our customers. Looking ahead, we are looking to register nano urea as well as biofertilizers and biostimulants in Mauritius, which happens to be a gateway for the neighboring African countries. The registration process for our patented products has been initiated in Srilanka while the export registration for nano urea is underway in Australia, where we have an approved label. Customer and field demonstrations are ongoing as we speak. We have ongoing trials of our products in countries like Thailand and Cambodia. Additionally, we are commencing the registration process for our patented formulations in South America, starting with Bolivia and Brazil. Our active ingredient and formulations are also progressing through the registration in multiple countries, including Taiwan, Mexico, Thailand, Srilanka as well as other global regions. We have made global filings for patents during this quarter in jurisdictions, such as U.S. EU, UAE, Brazil, Vietnam, Egypt, Indonesia and others, reinforcing the company's focus on innovation like the international growth. The technical manufacturing unit strategy is aligned with these global potential markets. With this, I will conclude this short update. We thank you all for your participation and time to attend this quarterly earnings call. We now welcome your questions. Thank you.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Hemant and individual investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, my first question is related to just sales for this quarter. I understand that we are trying to stabilize our branded sales. But in this space, why aren't we not concentrating on technical sales to be on par with our business. This point, I'm not understanding.
Vimal Kumar
executiveThank you gentleman for your question. Yes, definitely, your question is relevant when we have brand, we are changing some positive in the brand business and we are doing some big change in the brand business. So because that is mainly -- because last year and last to last year, we have learned, because each 4 quarter, the first 2 quarters is very strong, the next 2 quarters sometime, because of sales return, because of many things. But definitely, we have changed that policy. And now come to your question like why we are not into the technical sales. Definitely, technicals we have, we are also selling some technical -- but the main thing, technical doesn't have that much of margins. If you see our total margins is around 29%, 30% as a gross margin. We talk about the technical sales, their margin will be very less. So we are now moving towards a profitable organization rather than to keep it only the sales revenues. That is our idea for this year.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAnd sir, we were supplying this Ronfen to other B2C players, right? 5 to 6 B2C players and they were selling this product with their brand name. So when will you start supplying other patented products to other B2C players.
Vimal Kumar
executiveDefinitely because any new product, either we have very great product. If you see in the agrochemical industry, there is any of the company, whatever they bring either in MNC, an Indian company or any of the companies, when they bring any molecule, it need tested, trial with the commercial use of that product, then only farmer have confidence, dealer distributor have confidence. So of course, in last 4, 5 years, we have many, many new products, which is really, really commercially very good for the farmers as well as for the distributor dealer, a good margin they are having on this. And they have, of course monopolies, because of our patented products. So in this way, if you see to give to any B2C, B2B plan for this [indiscernible] principle to principle sales, which we are talking. In that way, we are not in very hurry, because first, we have to establish and make it as a big brand in the farmer and distributor, then only we will give to some of the co-partners like big companies, because many small companies, many midsized companies asking us, but we are always aiming for the MNC company like that. That is the only reason.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeBut this will happen in coming years, sir?
Vimal Kumar
executiveDefinitely. Definitely it will come.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, and most of the patents, whatever we have today, those were mostly used in chilly and cotton, right? So if we see the cotton acreage in Q1, it was down 3% year-on-year and sentiment for chilly is also very, very bad this year, particularly in South India. So how do you see Q3 and Q4 this year?
Vimal Kumar
executiveDefinitely, your question is relevant, of course, and you have good knowledge about the agriculture. Happy to answer you. This is quarter 1 generally don't have any kind of sales in South India. That, of course, because we are aware about some right information. Quarter 1 doesn't have any kind of good sales in the South India. Definitely, it will go in Q2 and mainly in Q3 and that we are balancing. And in my commentary also I said we are not doing any kind of dumping. We are not giving any material to any distributor dealer for sale, just we are selling whatever we are selling. So that is where we have changed. And definitely, chilly prices have some issues in the market and cotton acreage is less, but that doesn't make any big difference because market still has a big scope for both the product and change.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeIs this the main reason, sir, for decreased target of our top line this year or any other?
Vimal Kumar
executiveNot at all Mr. Hemant. This is not like that way because our total market share, not that big, that will influence directly not at all.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, whatever sales return number you told for Q1, can you repeat that, sir? I could not understand in your commentary.
Vikas Jain
executiveJust to add on the previous point, our sales are down by close to 27%, our patented portfolio compared to Q1 '25 is higher by 14%. So you can understand the patented portfolio keeps on growing. The other material, the other differentiated [indiscernible] product, which we used to place it earlier, those we are doing now in Q2. Otherwise, the patented product has gone up by 14% this quarter compared to previous quarter. And for the sales return, last year, we had sales return of close to INR 35 crores to INR 40 crores in Q1. And this quarter in Q1, we have only INR 13 crores.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeINR 13 crores. And there is a provision of INR 15 crores, right?
Vikas Jain
executiveThe provision what we are making...
Vimal Kumar
executiveINR 50 crores. We are hoping that that will not come and that provision will have to reverse.
Vikas Jain
executiveWhat happens is the auditors have to have averages of whatever has happened in the previous history. Now since we have changed the policies this year, the history doesn't support to say that, okay, we are going to get lesser. So we have been forced to keep a little higher sales provision, but we are confident that our lesser placements and sales closer to season will help us to have much, much lesser [indiscernible].
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, one last question from my side. If you compare your B2C revenues for your distributors with competitor, it seems to be very less on year-on-year basis if they compare to other companies like Dhanuka Insecticides. So where do you see this number moving towards maybe in the next 2, 3 years?
Vimal Kumar
executiveWhat was your first sentence what you mentioned?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWhatever sales you are doing per distributor per year, if we compare that with other listed players like Dhanuka Insecticides they were doing more than INR 20 lakhs per dealer per distributor per year. If we see our branded revenues, we were doing only INR 10 lakhs to INR 12 lakhs per distributor per year. So where do you see this revenue going towards maybe in the next 2, 3 years?
Vikas Jain
executiveYes, Mr Hemant ji. you have right information. Definitely, this company have little generic product, which is accepted by farmers long back like 40, 50 years. And what we are doing that is mostly patented molecule and which is different kind of product and kind of revolution, I would say, which some Indian companies are doing like us and definitely, I will not say the name, of course, all companies have their USP and they are doing well in the area. But if we talk about the Best Agro, definitely where our total sale is INR 10 lakhs, INR 12 lakhs per distributor average is coming, definitely it will grow too much. Because if you talk about total number of customers, we have hundreds of customers which they are doing more than INR 1 crore sales per distributor. That level we have as of now. But definitely, gradually it will grow in the next 2, 3 years, definitely it will grow.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. Sir, there is a lot of commentary about international business also. So where do you see Best Agro maybe next 5 years in terms of revenues?
Vimal Kumar
executiveThank you for this question. I really appreciate. I'll just give a little background on this. While we see that the Indian internal consumption business is great, we also see that there is a potential that needs to be exploited across the world. And the reason is that there are good products that we are doing, a, in terms of the patented formulations. And b, also to be able to support our patented formulations, what we have been doing is to be able to align the technical manufacturing for these products. And to be able to do that, we have been identifying new processes for off-patent molecules and to be able to create a portfolio of technicals, which will be useful for our patented molecules as well as across the world. So for this, as you know, this is a heavily regulated field where multiple registrations are required. Registrations are required for both patented molecules, which come under the category of new molecules as well as the technicals, which these are just off patented and very new. Some of the technicals that we are working on are right now yet to be registered in large geographies such as EU. So over the next 4 to 5 years, we do feel that there is a great potential for this. In terms of an absolute number, it would be a little premature to be able to make any prediction. But we do hope to see that this will be our strategy and it will contribute to a percentage of our revenue in the next 4 to 5 years. We are very hopeful on that, and we are taking all the relevant and reasonable steps to be able to meet this particular goal and achieve.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from the line of Nishant Bhat from Equity Works Limited.
Unknown Analyst
analystFirst of all, I want to congratulate the management on the improvement in margins. And if I understand right, sir, we have actually recalibrated our business model from a push to pull model. And that's why we have been -- there has been a decrease in revenues, right? because of the focus on patented, it takes a little bit of time to have a ramp-up -- and if I just wanted to ask this question that in the coming next quarter, I think even in that quarter, we should see a little bit of reduced revenue compared to previous year, because of this recalibration, which we have done in the business. Is my understanding right, sir?
Vimal Kumar
executiveYes, Mr. Nishant, yes, [indiscernible] your question is relevant. When you see there is a Q1 decrease in sales, so you can say another quarter how it will be. But in our understanding, what we understand from the market that we learn like how we change because earlier, any company, if you talk about Best Agro of any company, generally, they took placement in quarter 1. Directly, if you talk about insecticide and fungicide, there is no direct sale in Q1 in entire India, only except some vegetable [indiscernible]. If you talk about there is no direct consumption at the farmer end in Q1. But if you talk about all fungicide, insecticide and of course, some of the herbicide like I told you, Shot Down, that also [indiscernible] in the July only. Again, it will be the quarter 2. So if we delay and we are not placing that material in quarter 1, it doesn't -- in my understanding, it doesn't make that much of difference and that sale has to come in the quarter 2, which is not coming in quarter 1. That is my understanding. .
Unknown Analyst
analystNo, I understood sir, because see this was a management's decision, right, to -- because the first model we were kind of pushing sales and now we are going into improving the quality of earnings -- that's why we have been focusing on patented products and everything. Like I think the rewards of what we are doing should be actually visible in FY '27 onwards, if I think that's where the business is going. This particular year should be a little bit muted compared to the previous year because of the change in the model. Even though quarter-on-quarter, there might be some improvement, but the actual growth will start coming onwards of FY '27. Is that understanding right, sir?
Vimal Kumar
executiveSo for this year, what will happen is one, there will be a recalibration of our top line over the quarters. For example, as we just mentioned, Q1 was heavy because of placements, which we are not doing. So there will be recalibration because in Q3 and Q4, there used to be huge sales returns, which used to reduce our sales drastically. So you might see different numbers coming. So it might be possible that Q2, we might be similar or a little lesser than previous Q2. But still for full year, even though we will not have the growth, but what we will have is a drastic increase in our gross margins and a huge improvement in our profitability. So the impact will start seeing this year itself, because once we have much lesser sales return, it will give an immediate impact on the cash flows as well by way of lesser inventory where we can manage our inventory as well. Otherwise to push much heavy inventory, we had to bring a lot of inventory earlier and then wait for the season to happen. But now we are buying just closer, not even buying, but selling closer to the season. So sales return also expected to be lesser. So there will be a huge improvement in the gross margin and the profitability. This is what will happen. And with respect to top line, there will be recalibration of the top line throughout the quarters.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Okay. So basically, the thing is like -- in Q3, usually, there was the seasonality in Q3 usually is a little bit subdued. But going forward, that will change if I'm getting it right. And plus, there will be -- obviously, there will be improvement in gross margins. But even on a listing basis, revenue basis going forward, there shouldn't be significant dip in Q3.
Vimal Kumar
executiveAbsolutely, you are watching us study [indiscernible]. Thank you for time. And subsidiary, what your observation is, I would say, it will be really, really, I would say, you are saying correct because in other sense, if you'll see, generally, what we sold in quarter 1, we got some sell it in the quarter 2, what we sold in quarter 1 and quarter 2 or quarter 3, you can see that last year was badly impacted because of all the reasons. So this year, we are just keeping it for the -- again and again, our [indiscernible] mention that inventory management and our cycle of the payment cycle debt side, that we are improving. And for that, somehow for 1 quarter, we have to do that. But according to the seasonality and the demand of our products, that has increased a lot, and that will impact you can see in quarter 2, quarter 3, and of course, in quarter 4 also. So we are balancing this year rather than two quarters very good and two quarters bad. So definitely, this year would be better for the company that we can see.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Okay. Now, that clears a lot of questions. Another point I wanted to ask is you have received an award also this year in that chemical synthesis, right? Congratulation on that front because your focus on R&D is improving. Currently, how many scientists do we have in our R&D team.
Vimal Kumar
executiveAs of now, if you talk about scientist, there are two kind of scientist like one, we talk about the synthesis and the technical or maybe backward integration, then we talk about N minus 1 [indiscernible] in that area, we have around 45 number which are really highly qualified and most of are PhD. And if you talk about that level of -- and we talk about the formulation where the patented molecule, there are more than 26 people which are working for the formulation of this. There is 2 different kind of R&D.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from the line of Saket Kapoor from Kapoor & Co.
Saket Kapoor
analystSo my first question is for Mr. Jain. When you are referring to the number of turnover at INR 1,600 crores to INR 1,700 crores what are you factoring in -- in terms of the actual money sales returns for the year, how do we arrive, come to this number?
Vikas Jain
executiveSee, last year, one, we are expecting that our new products, which has already shown that there is a good acceptance, so for our other products, which are differential or generic products, where our sales will be a little lesser. Why? Because we are not pushing too much of those products. So we believe our patented product -- portfolio will go up. The other portfolio because we are expecting our sales team not to push too much and not to take sales return, they might be a little hesitant in placing full fledged, but there will be a little lesser sales return. So we believe even though our patented portfolio will go up, the other generic portfolio will go down a little bit. So we might be similar revenue or a little lesser. That's why we are giving a guidance of INR 1,600 crores to INR 1,700 crores. And for sales return since last 2 years, we have been facing this issue of anywhere between 20% to 24% of sales return. So this year, our target is not to have more than 10% to 12%. So we want to just about how far sales return from previous years. And that is why the huge change in policies is what we have done this year to correct the issues from last year.
Saket Kapoor
analystOkay. So 10% of it, that means we are closer to, say, INR 1,700 crores, INR 1,800 crores that is factoring in 10% comes down to INR 1,600. That could be a fair assumption that you are factoring in?
Vikas Jain
executiveINR 1,700 crores is after reduction of all those taking considering the sales returns. The previous we have INR 1,800 crores is after reducing almost 20% plus sales returns. So this year, we are seeing a INR 1,700, which is after reducing the 10% sales, but this will be much better because we have much better control over the inventory and profitability.
Saket Kapoor
analystJain you maintained EBITDA margin of 15%, whereas for the first quarter, we are at 12%. So do you think that overall on the remaining 9 months, our margins will improve higher than 15%, so that the average comes out at 15%. Is that understanding correct?
Vikas Jain
executiveYes, yes. So an example, as we said Ronfen, we didn't place much. So in Ronfen and other patented products, there are potentially is much higher. We were conservative in placing this in June. We're not placing much in June. So now all these sales happened this quarter. So this quarter, we'll see a huge jump in the gross margin as well as EBITDA much higher than 17%, 18%. So this will take care of the 15% plus for the year.
Saket Kapoor
analystWhich product you mentioned, sir, I missed the name.
Vimal Kumar
executiveRonfen.
Saket Kapoor
analystAnd so you are alluding to the fact that with the product name which you mentioned and the higher sales will contribute to higher gross margin, and that will result in better profitability. What we are ensuring for this current quarter. That is what the understanding should be.
Vimal Kumar
executiveYes, yes. Yes. And moreover, I would say if you talk about our quarter 2 portfolio according to the herbicide, insecticides, and fungicide, our major product, which is end use for the farmer, that will come into Q2 and Q3, the major -- our product and our patented one, which is the liquidation and the real sales will come into the quarter 2 and quarter 3.
Saket Kapoor
analyst[Foreign Language] that understanding you can share now.
Vimal Kumar
executiveDefinitely. Definitely, what we are thinking that is in that same line. And July, we have got good response. And in August and September, also, we are getting good signals from the market especially from the brand.
Saket Kapoor
analystJust to come to the point that when we are -- I think it is the sales return component only that is differentiating our numbers to the other company. Is that understanding also correct? Because when we see whether firstly correct me whether our earnings are comparable to people like India pesticides and not. They also came up with their number yesterday and the numbers were slightly different for both the entities. So are we just comparable with the entity firstly? Then I can put forward my next question.
Vikas Jain
executiveYes. So we are comparable. And to your previous -- what I understand your question is to -- that even though sales return was a problem which was affecting our inventory and profitability. So that correction we are doing. But when you compare on the product-wise, the potential of our products is much higher. It's only that we have been coming to the market with these patented products since last 2, 3 years. So other players are there since 30, 40 years. So they might be -- and we have pushed our brand in the last 2, 3 years and huge marketing spend. So with respect to our numbers, yes, we have great potential, but our OpEx also was higher since last 2 years because we had to spend a lot in the marketing. So this year, not only sales return, we are taking care of our operating expenses as well. We are more considerate and trying to manage our OpEx much lesser than previous year, and you'll see a stark reduction as well in our OpEx as well.
Saket Kapoor
analystCan you dwell more on this OpEx part that I think so for this quarter, we have seen the finance cost, I think, so going down. The other expenses are also down with the down in turnover. And Vikas ji, there is also always an impact of ForEx translation in our numbers. So if you could just allude where do we stand there? And also in your opening remark kindly cover the point of ForEx. I think the [Foreign Language]
Vikas Jain
executiveSo we don't have a foreign currency loan. So we have -- we do import from China and then the payments happen in the due date and there might be sometimes foreign gain or sometimes ForEx loss based on the situation. So other than that, for OpEx we already gave a clear guidance to say that our last year's spend on the marketing was, it is on the higher side, because we were coming up with a lot of new products, especially patented products. So this year from this quarter itself, you saw that the reduction of crores to INR 8 crores to INR 9 crores reduction in our OpEx. So we believe for full year, our OpEx will be lesser by anywhere between INR 30 crores to INR 40 crores compared to last year.
Saket Kapoor
analystINR 30 crores to INR 40 crores. What was the last year number, sir? And which line item we will state working for.
Vikas Jain
executiveAll OpEx including depreciation and interest put together close to INR 420 crores. So this year, this should be anywhere in the range of INR 380 crores.
Saket Kapoor
analystOkay. And can you give the number for the debt number, the inventory number? And one more point you mentioned about EBITDA margin at 15%. What should be the trajectory for the PAT margin -- how should we look at the PAT shaping up? I think that is also the number which investing community can we look into.
Vikas Jain
executiveSo mostly, more or less, if you see our EBITDA margin being 15% plus our depreciation and interest is more or less fixed at around INR 100 crores per annum. So accordingly, we can calculate the what will be PAT margin. So this will be our number.
Saket Kapoor
analystAnd the debt number and inventory you can share, sir?
Vikas Jain
executiveSo interest and our depreciation is close to INR 100 crores. 8% to 9% of PBT. And that our income taxes on a range of around 20%, 22%.
Saket Kapoor
analystSir, I was looking for the absolute net debt numbers in rupee terms and also the value of inventory, which we are carrying as on 30th June.
Vikas Jain
executiveSo last year was -- the inventory was pretty higher because '23, '24 was a bad seasonal condition. So we had to carry higher inventory. So this year across all the quarters, you will see a drastic reduction in our inventory compared to '24, '25. So already we saw in March itself, in March '24, we had an inventory of around INR 950 crores, and in March '25, we had around INR 750 crores. So since our season is beginning, we had around INR 800 crores as of June, but those -- most of the inventory will get liquidated during this quarter itself.
Saket Kapoor
analystAnd my next question is for Mr. Sai. In terms of the strategy outlined for -- especially for the patented part and looking into the new geography, and the overall change to improve the profitability, where are we, sir, at today's juncture -- and what are the remaining steps remaining things that are there that will start to flow into the numbers and the profitability going ahead.
N. Sai
executiveThis is a forward-looking question, and this is something that will be done in the coming years. And these are the actions that we have been taking for in this particular direction. What we recognize is that there is a significant global market for off-patent molecules, especially in the fungicides and the herbicides segment. The insecticide segment is quite strong in India. The initial patented products that we have been able to get some success are have been based on the India consumption. We see there is a significant interest on patented insecticide, fungicide combinations in the global market. But -- the caution I would like to mention is that the time for registration of this is a little bit longer than our normal registration process. And this is the reason for this is the fact that these are new molecules and new populations. So they take a longer duration and longer time of field trial. The market I had already previously mentioned, where customers have shown interest in patented population distribution. And these continue to be in Srilanka, Vietnam. There are ongoing ones which are going along in Thailand. They are ongoing the registration processes in places like Australia. We are focusing on the new -- I mean, the Brazilian market is something that no agrochemical company can avoid focusing on. So we are focusing on that, and we have started both on that particular geography. This is as far as a patented formulation is concerned. There is the second part of the whole story as far as the international market is concerned, and that is related to technical. I will come back to the initial statement, but fungicides and herbicides in the international market. Technical for this, there is a good demand for high-value low-volume technical. And this is an area which requires significant amount of an R&D in terms of processes or -- and also in terms of being fully backward integrated -- and that is where the technical plant is completely focusing itself on to be able to produce these technicals at off-patent model at the time that these become off-patent and to be able to have good partners and customers to be able to take this to the global market. So we see good exciting times in the coming years to come. We have been taking small steps in both the registration process as well as in the terms of doing some patents in terms of both synthesis as well as being able to identify new processes. So I hope I was able to answer your question.
Saket Kapoor
analystSo, I will try to get the things in written down, because we have spoken a lot and let me reconcile the things. Sir, 2 small questions, sorry for Jain saab also, firstly, on the CapEx part, how much are we spending for this year on CapEx? And the new facility, I think so some CapEx, which we have done earlier year, when are the new facilities getting commissioned? And third question is, sir, this INR 50 crores that sales return provision which we have taken, by which quarter we will be getting the actual sales done and the reversal happening? Will it be in the second quarter itself? Or if you could just give us some understanding on the same.
Vikas Jain
executiveSo on the CapEx part, we should be starting any time. So it's a project of INR 90 crores were in funded by financer by INR 50 crores, so that will start any time now for the other sales return related part, this INR 50 crores, since there is a little delay in the season what we are expecting, it should -- either it should be by September or October, we should have an idea about this sales return actual sale returns.
Saket Kapoor
analystAnd the CapEx I missed your comments, INR 90 crores will get -- what kind of asset turnover issue for this year, sir? And whether it's for backward integration or whether if you could just give some more color on this, sir.
Vikas Jain
executiveSo this is an additional plant in our existing facility itself from this [indiscernible]. Here, it will take close to one year for us to get this completed. So the benefit of which will only come in '26, '27.
Saket Kapoor
analystWe investors, all investors look for modeling pattern wherein the predictability with variations is what a market is all about. And that is what gets factored into the earning. So it will be very grateful if the steps which you people have outlined, it will give us a industry comparable predictable number and not a haywire as has been the case earlier. Sorry for my words, but this is what is not allowing investors to model out how will Best Agro's earnings trajectory would be. If you take the comparison with other listed companies and the type of valuation that today we are commanding. So would request all 3 of you and the other team to take those steps wherein the predictability model starts -- starts to play out in the mind of the investors and hence giving us the respect in terms of the enterprise value, which is absent today. I hope that I've tried to convey what my thought process is and hope it makes you deliberate on the same and hope it makes some sense also.
Vimal Kumar
executiveSo exactly, this is our endeavor for this year. That's why you see changes whatever we have made, because we want to have a predictable results wherein the investors be confident and accordingly, the valuation also...
Saket Kapoor
analystOkay, sir. And I hope that next quarter also, when September results are there, we do not remain at the fag end part because at that time, we will be also coming up with our balance sheet and cash flows. So last year, I think so because of some issues or some internal meetings, we had made results declaration. Hope that we...
Operator
operatorThe next question is from the line of Sanjay and individual investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeFirst of all, congratulations to your team for a good operational performance, though the top line was -- I mean, less compared to last year, but really, the margins have improved. So good work, and we are hoping that this will really help in future quarters definitely mostly in Q2 to get better margins. So my question is about -- you mentioned that there is some deferred placements happen in Q1 -- so what exactly is there and how is that going to impact in Q2? And on the Q2 side, on the Q2 side, are we saying that the margins are really going to be better than last Q2 of last year.
N. Sai
executiveYes. So with respect to deferred placement, what we meant was that in previous years, for example, as Vimal ji mentioned, that the sales of insecticides and fungicides, the consumption, the liquidation actually at the farmer level happens in the month of August and later on. But we used to place all those material in June itself in previous year. So now we are going to do all this closer to the season. So if it is August, will place in July or if it September, will place in August. So this is the placement is what we meant by deferred placement -- with respect to margins, as you mentioned that even though our sales mix is going to improve because for Q1 itself, as I mentioned, our patented portfolio even though my sales has gone down by 25%, my patent portfolio has gone up by 14%. That means I'm improving my sales in the patent products -- and that's why you see the improvement in the margin itself in this quarter from 24% to 30%. And also since we are doing a lot on the OpEx part, the operational expenses, you will see a drastic improvement in the profitability for full year.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAnd we used to get a lot of press released about new product releases or any patent granted -- but in last quarter, there was no single press release that like we have launched multiple products and even we've got a patent. So is there any strategy has changed to not have more like a press releases or anything has changed there?
Vimal Kumar
executiveSo we continue to put all those press releases in the market whenever we get the patents, for example, for our 3 products which we had launched, so we had done enough not only the press release but also in the field itself doing all the trials and all, because trials and all that will actually bring us more revenue. So we have done all those efforts, and we already see good response to our product especially Shot Down, which is herbicide, which was a little missing in our portfolio, which we added. And the response was pretty great, and we see good sales of Shot Down in this year itself.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSure. I mean the sales is happening. I'm just talking about the informing to exchange or doing a press release, Shot Down, there are multiple 2, 3 products launched in Q1 or even some products are going to get launched in Q2 and the patents received, so there was no press release I think I have not seen any press release into the exchanges, so it is any...
Vimal Kumar
executiveGoing forward will take care of it.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. Okay. And the last question is about as now things are maybe improving margins -- I mean the operational performance is improving. So are there any going to be efforts to get more like investor I mean, institutional investors on the board or having more connect with institutional investors or HNIs to get more on this with the company?
Vikas Jain
executiveWe generally continue to have our investor engagement. So what we do is after the end of quarter and after our earnings call, we generally do a visit in Mumbai that is also informed to the exchangers. So 2 days we are in Mumbai and meeting all the investors. But as almost you can understand from almost all the investors that are waiting for us to do all the changes to be improvement. So possibly people are on the sidelines, and we are hopeful that investors will show confident this year, but we continue to engage with them. So this -- after a few -- we can see within the next few weeks or so, we will see that we'll be coming to Mumbai and we generally meet a lot of investors on every quarter basis.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThat's great. And just last question about -- are we planning to launch any new products in Q2 and Q3?
Vimal Kumar
executiveYes, I'll answer that -- this is quarter 2, definitely, -- we are launching our Bestman And in fact, we have launched, but still will start in the quarter 2 only for our Bestman product. That is our again our patented molecule. Also, I mentioned there is one more product that we will go into launch in quarter 3.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWishing you all the best for the remaining of the year.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, due to interest of time, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Sai for closing comments.
N. Sai
executiveWe thank our partners, customers and investors for their continued support. In an uncertain geopolitical environment, we feel that our current focus on internal consumption as well as backward integration will help us be able to be immune to these changes. And all of us are seeing how the tariff changes are going around between India, U.S., China, et cetera. We will continue our part of financial discipline. We will be continuing to take short-term actions as well as we will continue to focus on medium and long-term strategy. With this, I will conclude. Thank you all, and thank you for the time.
Operator
operatorThank you, sir. On behalf of Best Agrolife Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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