Bigbloc Construction Limited (BIGBLOC.NS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 12, 2025
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Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Bigbloc Construction Limited Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Ventura Securities Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. Before we begin, I would like to point out this conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements do not guarantee the future performance of the company, and it may involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. I would now like to hand the conference over to Naman from Ventura Securities. Thank you, and over to you, Naman.
Naman Jain
analystThank you. Good day, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Ventura Securities, I welcome you all to the Bigbloc Construction Limited Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. The company is today represented by Mr. Mohit Saboo, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Manish Saboo, Head of Marketing and Strategy. I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Mohit Saboo for his opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Mohit Saboo
executiveGood afternoon, everyone. It is my pleasure to welcome you all to Bigbloc Construction Earnings Conference Call for the first quarter of the financial year 2026. I'll take you through our financial and operational performance for the quarter, along with some key updates on our ongoing initiatives. For Q1 FY '26, Bigbloc Construction reported consolidated revenue from operations of INR 564 million, an increase of 9.3% compared to the same quarter last year. The growth was driven by higher sales volumes, which rose by 25.3% year-on-year to 1,67,835 cubic meters. This volume increase was partially offset by lower average realizations during the quarter. Sequentially, volumes were lower by 4.3%, reflecting seasonal moderation following the festive period, the onset of monsoons and continued slowdown in the real estate sector as well as labor availability, which remains a key demand driver for our products. On the profitability front, gross profit was INR 304 million with a margin of 53.9%. EBITDA for the quarter was INR 13 million with a margin of 2.3%. The decline in margins compared to the previous year was mainly due to softer pricing, lower capacity utilization and seasonal demand patterns. Consolidated capacity utilization for the quarter was 53% with utilization of StarBigBloc building material at 62%, Bigbloc Building Elements at 58% and SIAM Cement BigBloc Construction Technologies at 36%. On the operational side, AAC wall panel production continues to scale up, and we are in the process of securing the remaining product certifications, which will further enable adoptions across a wider set of projects. Additionally, we are seeing an uptick in demand in the current period and expect utilization levels to improve from Q2 FY '26 as construction activity picks up post-monsoon. In line with our product diversification strategy, we remain on track to commence manufacturing of construction chemicals at our Umargaon facility shortly. This will expand our product portfolio and allow us to cater to a broader segment of the building materials market. From a sustainability perspective, the contribution of renewable energy to our total power requirements has increased to 26% from 22% in the previous quarter. This reflects our continued efforts to integrate clean energy into our operations and reduce our carbon footprint. Going ahead, our focus remains on improving capacity utilization, accelerating market penetration for AAC wall panels and bringing new product lines to the market. With the expected recovery in construction activity, we are confident of delivering improved performance in the coming quarters. With that, I conclude my remarks, and now we can open the floor for questions and answers.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from [ Sushilji Kausit ], an individual investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeFirst of all, I must appreciate the fact that our management has the courage to conduct the call every quarter despite not-so-great numbers. So on that note, my first question would be regarding the current capital structure of our company. In the earlier call, you said that the debt-to-equity ratio in the range of 1.1 to 1.5 is the number we are quite comfortable with. So -- and as our capacity utilization keeps on increasing, our debt level will keep on going down. So -- but the numbers say that neither our capacity utilization is increasing nor the margins, of course, due to macros like monsoon, which are general issues. But we can see that the financial leverage we hold right now is working against us each passing quarter. So do you still intend not to make any changes in the current capital structure going forward given the current situation? And whether our further CapEx will be financed via taking on more debt?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo coming down to your question about the capacity utilization. So if you compare year-on-year, we have seen a 25% increase in our capacity utilization. And since this quarter, Q1 is generally a little bit slower, and we saw an early onset of monsoon for this financial year. Looking at that, the capacity utilization has been good. And in the running quarter, Q2 also, the capacity utilization has been better than what it was in the previous quarter. So as we mentioned that we are looking at achieving optimum capacity utilization going ahead on a quarter-on-quarter basis, that's what the target is. And once the capacity utilization keeps on improving, the margins should also flow in and whatever losses have been incurred, that should also be settled off. Coming down to your second query about our debt equity ratio and our expansions. So for the expansion, the land is already procured at MP, and we have gotten the necessary conversions or government permissions done, whether it comes to the pollution control board or the conversion of land from [ any ] to industrial purpose. All that is completed. And hopefully soon, we'll be starting work at that site as well. And the debt equity ratio should be comfortable going ahead as the performance of the company also improves.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. So -- and any update on our expansion in Southern India and the financing instrument for the same?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo in Southern India, we are still contemplating the same. We are looking for the land for the same. And any updates on that will be communicated as and when something is finalized. I did not get your second question.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeThe financing instrument for -- I mean, the land acquisition and for the CapEx, whether it will be via taking on more debt or IPO or something?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo once we have this suitable opportunity of land in Southern India, we'll communicate the same accordingly.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. Sure, sure. So my next question is regarding our -- can I ask 1 more question?
Mohit Saboo
executiveYes, please.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. So my next question is regarding our current order book and the revenue outlook for the coming 2 quarters.
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo order book has started improving from the end of mid-June or end of June. And we are seeing better order inflows on a daily basis. The order book generally in this industry does not run for a very long period of time. Generally, it's around 5 to 7 days at the max. And when there's a slowdown, it goes down to 2 to 3 days because it's a bulky product and the site -- the space available at the construction site is also quite limited, looking at that constraints. Coming -- can you kept on your second question again regarding the order book?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeRevenue outlook for coming 2 quarters.
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo as we saw that this year also in spite of -- we have seen increase in turnover with 35% increase in volumes. In this quarter, again, we'll see further increase in volumes. And we intend to reach 70-plus percent capacity utilization in the next couple of quarters.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from [ Maneesh ], an individual investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI have 3 questions basically. One, although the volumes increased in Q1, why did the realizations fall? Like are we aware as to what is the reason behind the overall realization? That is one. Second is I also wanted to understand as to what is the sales that we generated from the AAC wall panels and construction chemicals. Third is in one of the previous con calls, you guys had highlighted that the aim is to double revenues over the next 2 years. So I wanted to understand if that guidance remains intact. So these are my 3 questions.
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo coming down to your first question of why the realizations have gone down because of a little bit of a slowdown in the real estate sector in Q1 as well as increase in competition, there has been a little bit hit on the realizations. And that's the reason that the volumes have gone up, but the realizations have decreased a little bit. Coming down to your second question. Can you repeat the second question again, please?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. The AAC wall panel revenue and construction chemical revenue because I don't see any mention of that.
Mohit Saboo
executiveThe revenue from construction chemicals is approximately around 10 to 12 percentage and the revenue from AAC wall panels is approximately at around 3 to 4 percentage. And this has been increasing on a month-on-month basis as we are taking more and more orders and seeing more penetration of AAC panels across India. We have some projects in various different cities, the likes of Delhi, Jaipur, Surat, Bombay, Ahmedabad, some in Southern India like Chennai, et cetera.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo similar to how you've shown what is the breakup in the PPT, right, on the AAC block, can you show it for the AAC wall panels and construction chemicals also? Because that would give us at least a rough idea from a shareholder perspective as to what is the volumes that the other 2 segments generate?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSurely. We'll start doing that from the next quarter.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. My third question was on the guidance. So I think in the Feb 2025 call, you guys had highlighted that the target was to double revenues over the next 2 years. So is that guidance intact?
Mohit Saboo
executiveYes. We are still in the thought process of doubling our revenues for the next 2 to 3 years because expansion has been a little bit delayed because of a little bit of slowdown in the industry. And in the next 2 to 3 years, we are looking at doubling our revenues.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from [ Navneet ], an individual investor.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo my question is the company capacity utilization was reported around 53%. So what are the reasons behind that? And what steps have been taken to improve it?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo the capacity utilization for Q1 has been around 53%. Q1 is generally marred by labor shortages at the factories as well as at the construction sites. And that's the reason that the capacity utilization is much lower. We are seeing better capacity utilization in Q2, which has gone up to almost approximately 60% in July month. And our intention is to make the capacity utilization reach 70 to 80 percentage over the next couple of quarters. Thirdly, what other steps are being taken, we are trying to increase our market share and penetrate more in different markets. And the capacity utilization has been majorly lower for the panel division, where -- since it's a new product and the adaptation is taking time.
Operator
operatorWe have a follow-up question from Maneesh.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, my other 2 questions, one, when does the company expect to be profitable? Because I understand that the interest charges, right, are on the higher side because of the high debt in the book. And second is the depreciation is also high when we compare it with the previous quarter. So the performance has not been that great if we look at it from the last 3 quarters, right? So when do we expect to start making profits once again? So that's my first question. And second is I also wanted to understand as to how is the price difference currently between the traditional bricks versus the AAC blocks? Is the pricing difference versus the previous year? Or has it changed dramatically? I'm asking this question because you talked about the realization being low, right? So if you can give an update on that.
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo coming down to your first question about when will the company get into profit. So our intention and target is to firstly reach optimum capacity utilization, which will make us reach a profitability mode faster. The last 2 quarters have been at least slow for the entire real estate sector as well as for the building materials industry. And hopefully, in this quarter or by next quarter, we should be again in the profitability zone. Coming down to your next question about the pricing of AAC block versus red bricks. So approximately, the pricing of AAC block is in the range of almost INR 3,200 to INR 2,500 a cubic meter right now across the geographies where we operate. And the pricing of red bricks is in the range of almost INR 4,000 to INR 4,500 a cubic meter. Still AAC blocks are almost 15%, 20% cheaper as compared to red bricks. We are still seeing increased market share as compared to red bricks on a quarter-on-quarter basis.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo can you please give a flavor if the pricing was similar when we compare it with Q1 last year -- compare between red bricks and the AAC blocks?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo pricing of AAC blocks have gone down by almost 8% to 10% as compared to Q1 of last year. And I think there might have been a similar decrease in the pricing of red bricks as well. Since it's an unorganized market and transportation plays a very big role in the red bricks industry. So across regions, it's not a fixed pricing model.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAll right. Understood. And one final question, if I can squeeze in. When you talk about your capacity, right, is it fungible as in you have 3 products, which is AAC blocks, the construction chemicals and AAC walls. So is it fungible or is it not fungible? I wanted to understand that.
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo we have a total of 4 manufacturing setup. The Wada facility, the Umargaon facility and 1 facility near Ahmedabad at Kheda. Each are completely for AAC blocks. And 1 facility near Ahmedabad, which is a joint venture with SIAM Cement from Thailand. That is a fungible capacity in which we can manufacture AAC blocks as well as panels. And the installed capacity of that particular facility is around 250,000 cubic meters per annum. Coming down to the construction chemicals. So, so far up till Q1 of FY '26, we have been just doing training of construction chemicals, which includes block jointing mortar and ready-mix plaster. And we are in the process of installing the plant. So they are almost on the verge of completion. And hopefully, shortly, we'll be starting commercial production there and which will be for manufacturing of 3 different chemicals, mainly for block jointing mortar, ready-mix plaster as well as tile adhesives is one new product, which we'll be introducing.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAnd at what percentage of capacity utilization do we expect profitability to come back into our accounts?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo approximately around 60% to 65%, we should be able to come to profits. And the margin realization in the panel division is far better as compared to AAC blocks division. So as and how the acceptability in panel sales grow, that should also help us to get to profitability question much faster.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAnd sir, again, coming back to one of my previous questions where you talked about doubling revenues over the next 2 to 3 years, which means if we ended FY '25 somewhere around INR 225 crores, INR 230 crores of sales. So if I take approximate number of, say, INR 450 crores to INR 500 crores, what do we think the contribution of construction chemicals and AAC wall panels will be to the revenues 2 years from now?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo in doubling the revenue from INR 225 crores to INR 250 crores to INR 450, INR 500 crores, the share of AAC wall panels and construction chemicals should be 15% to 20% each and almost 60% should be from AAC blocks.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. And how would be margins for all the 3 segments? How will that look?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo currently, the margins for blocks have squeezed a little bit, but construction chemicals and panels, the margins have continued to be almost the same. And going ahead, we see better realization in margins for block industry as well. And hopefully soon, we should be able to reach that anywhere between 15% to 18% EBITDA margins in 2 quarters, more or less.
Operator
operatorWe have a follow-up question from Sushilji Kausit.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeMy next question is regarding the marketing of AAC block, right, so are we putting significant effort educating people regarding AAC blocks versus this red bricks because it requires a complete shift in the mindset to trust something which looks perfect on paper, but people lack confidence from within converting it to reality. So can you put some light on that?
Mohit Saboo
executiveYes, we are trying to increase the conversion from red bricks to AAC blocks. And we are -- so majorly in the metro cities or Tier 1 or Tier 2 cities, they have majorly shifted to AAC blocks from red bricks, the Tier 3 or the small towns or [ red bricks ] where penetration of red bricks is still quite high. And we have our sales team appointed in those networks, and we are trying to do some campaigns also for conversion of customers from red bricks to AAC blocks, and we have seen a little bit of success there. Secondly, we have been doing some white labeling for brands like [ Mundra ] who are getting blocks manufactured in our name. And because of their retail network, we are supplying blocks to the small towns and register them so that the market availability and acceptability of this product improves.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. So my next question will be on the technical front. I have read somewhere that AAC blocks face drying stage, right? So what's our customer feedback on the same?
Mohit Saboo
executiveYes. So the product is governed by IS norms and these trying [ stages ] whatever are being faced. The -- whatever people are using AAC blocks today, they are well aware about the characteristics of the product and there are no challenges with regards to the use of the product. This product has been used in the industry over the last 3 decades. And there have been various buildings which have been installed and are still constructed and are still running, which have been made using AAC blocks. There are no challenges or issues relating to the usage of the product.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeOkay. So our customers are fully satisfied and no complaints whatsoever till now?
Mohit Saboo
executiveNo, we don't have any customer complaints or challenges with regards to the [indiscernible]
Unknown Attendee
attendeeAnd my last question is that are we considering other -- do we have other diversification plans on our product profile in the future like in other construction materials apart from additive chemicals like putty or paint or something like that?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo currently, we don't have any other product diversification plans on hand for the short term. But yes, over the longer term, the vision is to make Bigbloc Construction Limited a building material company instead of just an AAC block or AAC panel company.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have a follow-up question once again from Mr. Maneesh.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSir, my question is, why would it be difficult to say, push sales of AAC blocks versus red bricks if the prices of AAC blocks are low in comparison? And second is, did we realize any sales from carbon credits?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo regarding your first question regarding the conversion from red bricks to AAC blocks. So red bricks is a product which has been running since generation maybe since 100 years. And it's just that the end customer who is using red bricks today is content, happy using it and there's just a resistance to change. That is the reason that we are doing job work for people like Gujarat Ambuja and also trying to create brochure or templates, explaining them about the advantages of AAC blocks as compared to the reds bricks, whether it comes to cost, whether it comes to the thermal conductivity or also it comes to the more carpet area that the person gets. So this is how we are trying to create that awareness. And slowly and gradually, that's why we have seen returns as well. So the share of the product in the walling material was around 3%, which has gone up to almost 10% over the last decade. And I feel over the next decade, this 10% should go up to almost 30%, 40%. Coming down to your question about carbon credits. So yes, in the running quarter, there has been no realization of carbon credits.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo when do we expect sale from carbon credits? Because I know the company has been talking about potential revenue recognition from carbon credits. Do we have any time line for it? And like what could that number look like?
Mohit Saboo
executiveSo we have some carbon credits in stock on our books. But regarding when we'll realize revenue for the same, we are in talks, but carbon markets are currently not performing excellently well because of the global trade war scenario, et cetera. Once these things settle down and we see an uptick in the carbon pricing market, we will try and realize the same as well.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions. Now I hand over the floor to Mr. Mohit Saboo for closing comments.
Mohit Saboo
executiveThank you all for taking the time to join us today and for your continued interest in Bigbloc Construction Limited. As we continue to navigate the opportunities ahead, we remain committed to delivering consistent growth and value in the coming quarters. As always, if you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to our Investor Relations advisers, Churchgate Partners, and we'll be happy to address your queries. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye-bye.
Operator
operatorThank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines now. Thank you, and have a good day.
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