BioInvent International AB (publ) (BINV) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 27, 2020

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Health Care Biotechnology earnings 43 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Welcome to the BioInvent Q4 Report 2019. Today, I am pleased to present CEO, Martin Welschof; CFO, Stefan Ericsson; and CMO, Andres McAllister. [Operator Instructions] Speakers, please begin.

Martin Welschof

executive
#2

Okay. Thank you very much for the introduction, and good morning, everybody. So we'll give a quick presentation. And basically, what we are trying to do is to keep as much time as possible for Q&A. I would like to start on Slide 3, just to remind everybody about the company background. So obviously, we have, at our core, a very interesting discovery platform, which provides antibodies and targets. And as you might remember, we're using this in 2 ways: first of all, within our own portfolio, and currently, we have 5 programs in our portfolio. We will come back to that later in more detail. But also, we use this platform for collaborations. We have done so in the past. Last year, we had 2 interesting milestones, one with Mitsubishi Tanabe and another one with Takeda. And obviously, also 2 milestones with the Pfizer collaboration. And we will continue to have milestones also throughout this year. So Slide 4 is the very brief reintroduction of the platform, and I will only focus and highlight the unique features of this platform. It's called, F.I.R.S.T., as you know. Just to remind you also, it's patent protected. And we are one of -- I would probably say, the only company who is really screening on primary patient material. And this is due to, first of all, the technology advancement that we have made during the development of the platform because we are able to handle minimal amounts of cells -- of primary cells. But also, I think, over the years, we have built a very, very tight collaboration with the university hospital in Lund, such that we receive high-quality fresh material. And this high-quality fresh material we're using then for the screening of our high-quality n-CoDeR antibody library that has been validated now through a number of collaborations. And I mentioned the names already, Mitsubishi, Daiichi, Takeda, but also more recently, with Pfizer. And then we generate specific antibodies. And the current cells that we're interested in are cells from the tumor microenvironment of those patients. Specifically, we are focusing on T regulatory cells and tumor associated myeloid cells. And once we have specific binders, then we go through a very rigorous functional screening. So we have all the important in vitro and in vivo models, mouse model in-house, such that we can select all those specific binders, we have the strongest therapeutic pages in our assets. And for only for those antibodies, then we also do the target identification. And that works very well, but we use it internally and obviously, successfully for Pfizer. And they have selected last year 2 targets that we have identified, and the bar for that was actually quite high because Pfizer was not interested at all in something that they're already in-house or to other collaborations. As I already mentioned, so now going to Slide 5. We used the platform also significantly in-house and have build a portfolio, as you can see on this slide. And this slide is just a quick overview, and then I will go into more details regarding the different programs. So currently, we have 5 programs active. Two are in the clinic and 2 will go into the clinic during the first half of this year and then the fifth one beginning of next year. So starting from the top, we have this very interesting target of antibody checkpoints at FcyRIIb. And then we have 3 programs, 2 different antibodies. The lead program is the antibody called BI-1206 that we are currently developing for Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma and for solid cancers. And I will get to details a little bit later. And then we have a second antibody called BI-1607, and this is scheduled to go into the clinic first half of next year. Then if you go into the category below, these programs that have been derived from our screening onto regulatory cells from the tumor microenvironment that we have 2 very specific interesting programs. One is called BT-001. This is our proprietary anti-CTLA-4 antibody that we're currently developing in collaboration with Transgene with their oncolytic virus platform, and I will come back to that later also in a minute. And then we have a second program, which came out of the screen, called BI0-1808. And this is the lead out of our anti-TNF receptor 2 program, which is a very interesting and [indiscernible] upcoming target in immuno-oncology and has shown very strong preclinical results that we also will publish soon. So both of those programs will go into the clinic during the first half of this year, such that by the end, we will have then 4 programs in the clinic, which means -- which basically means that we're really building a pipeline of multiple value drivers, or as I always call it, multiple shots on goal, which we feel is very important since clinical development is risky. And what we want to do is to build a risk diversified product candidate portfolio, different antibodies, different targets, different mode of actions. So that kind of the strategy that we are following through. Beside our collaboration, I will come back to also later on the details just so much over the year. So it's very active. Pfizer selected 2 targets. We have also extended the collaboration such that Pfizer can pick more targets, and we're also expecting that they will select the significant -- the specific antibodies to those targets that they already have selected also throughout this year. This brings me to Slide #6. This is a little bit more detail on 1206. I mentioned already 1206 blocks the FcyRllB receptor, and that was actually a very challenging program to generate antibodies, which are really specific for this inhibitory receptor on the innate immune cells. And we're using this target in 2 ways. First of all, as already mentioned, we use it to block the inhibitor receptor on innate immune cells in the tumor microenvironment, and this is basically the approach that we do in solid cancer. But they also exploit that target when it's expressed directly on the tumoral B-cell in Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. So the opportunity here is really quite broad. And the initial development or the development that we have already started and what already is on way into the development is Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. This could be in's a very quick way to approval. But then we're extending the opportunity by also now going into solid cancers in combination with pembrolizumab. And I will come to the clinical trials a little bit more back in detail a little bit later. So basically, going then to Slide #7, which gives you a quick outline of the trial design that we're running for Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. It's a Phase I/IIa study. We are focusing on patients who are not responding anymore to anti-CD20-based therapy. And obviously, the compound that they're currently focusing on is rituximab, which is still the standard of care. But to mention here already, so our combination treatment also works with other CD20 -- anti-CD20-based reagents or antibodies. But currently, the trial is focusing on rituximab. And we are currently in the dose escalation phase. We are already at doses where we see 100% receptor occupancy. We have also published some first data that was during the lymphoma congress in Lugano last year and planning an update during ASH this year. So we see first signs of efficacy. So we have some patients where we can see responses, but we don't call it efficacy yet because this is still early days. And we are basically planning to go into the dose expansion phase by the second half of this year such that we have early Phase I results by the end of this year, beginning of next year. And of course, the study objectives in this new standards, safety, tolerability, pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, the recommended Phase II dose, and then the observation, as already mentioned of early signs of efficacy. Important thing here is really if we see the trend that we're currently seeing confirmed during the Part B, then we can expand that and go for basically conditional approval. So this could be, as I already mentioned earlier, a quick way to registration. Slide 8 shows you the potential. So we have the initial focus, Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma, but that we can go into solid cancers. And this we have on Slide 9. This is the trial, which is now ready to go. This is in collaboration with Merck. We are basically focusing here on patients who have not or do not respond anymore to anti-PD1, anti-PD-L1 therapy. We're basically ready to go and hope to start recruitment soon such that we have early Phase I results by the second half of 2021. That means we'll have result this year for the first study and then towards the second half of next year for the second study. And this is, of course, a quite dramatic application, a broadening of the application of 1206. And I think the strategy really is here to have a quick way to approval through the first study and -- but also the second study is constructed after the same principle, which means if we see strong data then also, you could think about expanding the RP and then also going here quickly for breakthrough designation. So then on Slide 10. This is our TREGS and TAMs program in solid tumors. Maybe starting with tumor-associated myeloid cells, the TAMs first. So this is a collaboration with Pfizer. Important to mention here, so Pfizer has selection on 2 targets, and they are looking forward to do more first half of this year. And then I mentioned also, hopefully, the antibody selection around those targets. But I think what I would want to mention, so obviously, Pfizer doesn't have any exclusivity on the screen on TAMs as such. So the exclusivity comes in once they select targets and antibodies, which means that all the other targets and antibodies that we have worked on, which is quite significant that they are not selecting, and they will -- might not select them because they already have activities in-house, or it doesn't fit their strategy. They will come back to us such that we can use it ourselves or in other collaborations. I think that's a very important thing because we have actually generated quite a number of antibodies and targets under this collaboration. Then our T regulatory cells screening. This is completely proprietary to us. There, we have generated the 1808 program that I already have mentioned, and we will file in a clinical trial application during the first half of this year. And this is actually a very important and interesting program, as I already mentioned, since this is one of the upcoming interesting targets in immuno-oncology with our current need, 1808. And we will also have some news going forward during the first half of this year around data and some progress in this program. So coming then to Slide 11. This is basically just an illustration for those different screens. On the top, you see the T regulatory cells, in the bottom, the tumor-associated myeloid cells. And just to mention, in general, in the T regulatory cells screen, obviously, we're looking for candidates, a target and antibodies, which allow for efficient depletion of the T regulatory cells because they inhibit the response of the immune system towards the tumor. In the TAMs screening, there, it's a little bit different. There, we're looking for 2 different categories. On one side, we are also identifying targets and antibodies, which allow the efficient depletion of inhibitory tumor-associated myeloid cells, but we also have identified another category of target and antibodies, which are targeted antibodies, which allow for reeducation, which means that we can maybe turn the tumor-associated myeloid cells from inhibitory status into activating status. And this is what we're currently doing with Pfizer. Then on Slide 12. This is BT-001, which also came out of T regulatory call screening. And obviously, there we have then identified our proprietary CTLA-4 antibody, which is a significant -- differentiated from the antibody, which is currently used in the clinic, which is Ipi. So if you look at the CTLA-4 depletion -- sorry, CTLA-4 inhibition, those 2 antibodies are actually quite the same. So they're really overlapping. But it's important to mention and very interesting to emphasize that our proprietary CTLA-4 antibody is a much more efficient T regulatory cell depleter, much more efficient than Ipi, which is currently used in the clinic, so nicely differentiated. And we have decided to develop that in collaboration with Transgene in order to combine it with their oncolytic virus platform. And on Slide 13, a nice cartoon and a little bit more background on this program. So basically, Transgene has a very interesting oncolytic virus platform based on the senior virus, and we have cloned the anti-CTLA-4 gene into that virus. And then the application would be intratumoral, which means you inject the virus containing the gene for our anti-CTLA-4 antibody into the tumor -- into the solid tumor. And then the virus would infect the tumor cell, will start replicating and by replicating will produce anti-CTLA-4 in the solid tumor environment. And with that, to achieve 2 things. First of all, you will have a much higher efficacy because you get a very high concentration of the anti-CTLA-4 antibody in the solid tumor environment, but also you have a much -- more reduced systemic exposure because you would not apply this antibody systemically. And also by this, you will have a much better toxicity profile. And that's also what we've seen preclinically, very strong efficacy and very good toxicity profile. And here, we also will publish some data soon during the first half of this year. The program is on track, and we will file an IND or a clinical trial application very soon. So this, I think, is where I would like to end, such that we will keep, as I promised, enough time for Q&A. And I will hand over to Stefan for the financial part.

Stefan Ericsson

executive
#3

Thank you. Please go to Page 14. I will present the financial overview for Q4 and the 12-month period, January to December. Unless otherwise stated, all amounts are in SEK million. In Q4, 2019, net sales were SEK 25.4 million to be compared with SEK 10.4 million for the same period in 2018. This is an increase of SEK 15 million. Net sales for January-December 2019 were SEK 93.7 million. In 2018, we had SEK 38.5 million, that's an increase of SEK 55 million. Net sales in 2019 are mainly from production of antibodies, revenues from research funding. We got 2 milestones from Pfizer of each $0.3 million and a EUR 0.75 million milestone from Mitsubishi, and finally, a $0.5 million milestone from XOMA. These milestones amounts together to SEK 18 million. The net sales increased in 2019, but it's good to remember that the net sales will fluctuate, depending on utilization of our manufacturing capacity for customers, received research funding and if we receive potential milestones. Continuing on cost. In Q4, operating costs have increased with SEK 23 million from SEK 43 million in Q4 2018 to SEK 65.8 million in Q4 2019. January to December, increase of operating cost of SEK 70 million and SEK 161.8 million in 2018 to SEK 231.6 million in 2019. The increase of operating cost is mainly due to that projects are advancing and moving towards the clinical phase. We had higher costs in the BI-1206 solid cancer study and also had higher costs for BI-1808, BT-001 and BI-1607. These programs we are preparing to enter the clinical phase. The loss was minus SEK 40.9 million in Q4 2019 and minus SEK 138.6 million for the full year 2019. The rights issue and directed issue completed in April 2019 amounted to SEK 220 million after issue expense. And at the end of the year, we had liquid funds of SEK 154 million. That was a summary of the period. Over to you, Martin.

Martin Welschof

executive
#4

Okay. So I think that's been basically the presentation that we wanted to cover. So there is maybe just a few final comments from my end. So first of all, I really want to emphasize and stress that 2019 was really good. So we had a couple of key milestones for our internal programs as well as the external problems. So I think we really delivered as promised, which I think is a good indication for the good execution of the company and team. And I think going forward now, so this year, next year will be quite critical because then we hopefully can see a couple of good clinical data points. And I'm quite excited now of really establishing this multiple shots on goal concept. And I'm quite optimistic that we will see some good data soon. So with that, I think I would like to open the Q&A.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Klas Palin, Redeye.

Klas Palin

analyst
#6

I have a couple of questions, if I may. And firstly, about 1206 study in NHL, and if you could provide some further details about the recruitment of patients and how it is progressing? And maybe also, if you could give an indication when you expect to move forward into the Part B of that trial? And also, if you just could perhaps give some explanation of the design of the 1206 study with pembro and particularly, about what you will be focusing on in the expansion cohorts?

Martin Welschof

executive
#7

Yes. Thank you, Klas. So I will maybe start addressing those questions, and then I will also handover to Andres, our Chief Medical Officer. First of all, starting with your first part, the Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. So as I already mentioned, so we are at a dose where we have 100% receptor occupancy, and we expect to move soon into dose expansion. And I think that will happen, as I already indicated, during the second half of this year. And then regarding the pembro and details, I'll leave to Andres. So maybe you can maybe just repeat your questions regarding the pembro.

Klas Palin

analyst
#8

Yes. If you could explain a little bit on the design and particularly, about the expansion cohorts, what you will be focusing on?

Martin Welschof

executive
#9

Yes. Yes. Okay. So I -- maybe, Andres, you start with that point, and then you can also get to some more details on the NHL.

Andres McAllister

executive
#10

Sure. So hi, everybody. This is Andres speaking. So concerning the design of the BI-1206 in combination with pembrolizumab, we will be looking in the first part. I know your question relates to the expansion, but in the first part, we will be looking at patients with advanced malignancies. So different kinds of issues, et cetera, that will allow us to have a first look at how the things look in all kinds of patients. We said, there will be patients who will have received PD-1 or PD-L1 targeting agents prior to entering the trial. So patients need to be either resistant or have progressed on after treatment to one of these agents. And then they will enter the trial, and we will be re-administering pembrolizumab and now in combination with BI-1206. This puts -- give the program -- gives the possibility of very early readouts in terms of potential recovery of patients who were perhaps borderline or that sort of thing. And then in the expansion cohorts, since we are looking at patients that have received those agents in the past, we are most likely to see patients who have lung cancer. Obviously, this is a very important indication where there is still a huge medical need for immuno-oncology agents. And in particular, if we were able to recover, enhance or make further responses against pembrolizumab better, that would be a huge achievement. So that's -- we will be -- what is currently -- what we currently have in the protocol is looking at patients with lung cancer. We also have another cohort looking at patients with melanoma. And -- but we do -- integrating the protocol with possibility of looking at other malignancies since this is a moving [indiscernible]. There is a little bit of time to go until we get there. We have implemented in the protocol, a certain degree of flexibility to be able to create additional cohorts as we move forward. And those cohorts can be in a number of different indications. You know that pembrolizumab is now approved in a number of different indications, and it is making a good way forward. So there is a good chance that we will be adding other cohorts in order to test the efficacy of the combination. That I think -- I hope that answers your question. And I don't know -- you had another question concerning Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma?

Klas Palin

analyst
#11

No. No, I think it was answered by Martin. But I have one additional question, if I may, and it's about the statement in the report that you mentioned that you are in several business development discussions. And it would be interesting to hear if you could give us some further details about this? And how far such discussions have reached?

Martin Welschof

executive
#12

Yes. So as you might remember, we started a quite broad approach last year already. We're basically focusing on the 4 main areas, which is the U.S., Europe, Japan and China. And obviously, I cannot give you any specific statement, but I think we have several discussions on several programs. And the hope would be that we can implement something this year. I think, though, I can't say at the moment because it is with business development discussions. If you go into terms, several things could disappear. So I can't give you further guidance. What I can tell you is that we have good interest in various programs and also discussions about the discovery platform first.

Operator

operator
#13

The next question is from Joseph Hedden, Rx Securities.

Joseph Hedden

analyst
#14

On the Pfizer collaboration, just please confirm what you think the next milestones are going to be? And are they going to be at the levels similar to what we saw for the targets chosen last year? And then on BI-1206, and similarly, some commentary on the CRUK trial. Just wondering if we can expect the results from that trial this year being as it looks like it's close to finalizing recruitment?

Martin Welschof

executive
#15

Yes. Thank you, Joseph. So very briefly on the Pfizer. So the milestones that we can expect, hopefully, we will get further antibodies -- further target selection as well as antibody selection milestones. And the target selection milestones, you already have seen. And the antibody milestones, so we didn't disclose that, but it will be significantly higher than what you have seen for the targets. And both would be expected also this year because the intention was clear when we extended the collaboration that they want to have more time to look at additional targets in addition to the 2 that have been selected, plus implementing them the next step, which will be the antibody selection milestones. So I hope that answers your question around Pfizer. Then on Cancer Research UK. So obviously, this is under the control of Cancer Research UK, whenever they want to release that data. So that, I think, was one question. Please remind me, there was another aspect to it. That was all?

Joseph Hedden

analyst
#16

Yes. It was -- yes, it was just around what we think results might be reported. And maybe some commentary around difficulties to recruit CLL patients. Actually, I wonder, do you know the balance of recruitment in that trial? Has it -- is it shifting much more towards NHL patients? Because presumably, that's more helpful for you in terms of the strategy with the other trial anyway?

Martin Welschof

executive
#17

Yes. I give that to Andres. But before Andres, before you start, maybe just a general comment here. Obviously, the clear positioning, even though we know 1206 has single agent activity in Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma is combination therapy. So that's why thanks to Andres, when he joined a little bit more than 2 years ago, really pushed the company to start our own trial for that reason. In addition, obviously, Cancer Research UK, you would know, Joseph, they can only recruit in the U.K. They cannot go anywhere else, which of course, will hamper or has hampered the recruitment of the trial. So first of all, they're only single agents, which we think doesn't do justice to the proper positioning of 1206. And then, of course, CLL is very competitive and a lot has changed there over the years since the Cancer Research UK is running the trial. And then in any case, they can only recruit in the U.K., it will go very slow. So that's a little bit of background here. But from my perspective and BioInvent's perspective, we're really happy that we have the combination trial going, which we control ourselves, which is developing very nicely. And of course, I can't talk much about Cancer Research UK. And maybe Andres, you would like to add a couple of comments here.

Andres McAllister

executive
#18

Sure, sure. Thank you. So yes, you raised an important point. CLL, the environment really changed for CLL. So as a matter of fact, so in their trial, they recruit also Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma patients. So as a matter of fact, I think, for all -- I think, just about every patient has been a patient with Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma and not CLL. So that's definitely something that favors us in the sense that we have data from that -- from the same -- similar patient population. So that's important. Then the other aspect is that up until now, as Martin said, what we have -- what CRUK has been looking into, and we have a very, very high level of communication. They have been looking at single agent, which is interesting for us in terms of understanding PK/PD of the molecule. But that part is soon to be finished, and it is very likely that we will -- as Martin said, we will -- we are exploring, in particular, the combination. That's what we are doing.

Operator

operator
#19

The next question is from Mats Thorén with Vixco Capital.

Mats Thorén;Vixco Capital;Analyst

analyst
#20

First, a couple of questions for Andres, please. I noticed on clinical trials that combination study with pembro, it looked to have been increased in size somewhat from 60, 70 patients up to 90. If -- I was curious, what was the thinking behind that? And was that after having input from Merck? Or is it just sort of a communication thing that you didn't really change? Do you think it's just perhaps something else. And secondly, I think you did very well with Merck since they don't do this kind of collaboration to the same extent anymore. But I was also curious if you were looking at something similar with regards to BT-001 and 1808, since they are also potentially combination studies to be done. And in that case, how it could potentially affect any sort of out licensing discussions you have? Does that get complicated, I would guess? So before complicating things further, could we perhaps start there, and then I have a follow-up question for Martin, please?

Andres McAllister

executive
#21

Sure. Mats, yes. So concerning the first question, it's not such an important matter, this question of the number of patients. We will be using an adaptive design for Phase I, and those designs are -- it's difficult to predict the number of patients that you will be enrolling. So you need to make -- you need to consider quite large when you consider the number of potential patients that you would need to include. So however, using an adaptive design, one of the advantages is that you can perhaps use -- need less subjects in order to explore different doses. So that is interesting. You can escalate and deescalate as necessary. And so it's -- that's really the reason for that number. And could you remind me of your second question?

Mats Thorén;Vixco Capital;Analyst

analyst
#22

It was whether you were looking at something similar to the Merck collaboration for BT-001 and 1808.

Andres McAllister

executive
#23

Yes. Of course, I think that's absolutely, for us, it's important. It's important from the standpoint of the clinical development, it's important from the standpoint of business development of our company, and it's also important for the project. So definitely, those conversations are ongoing all the time. So absolutely.

Martin Welschof

executive
#24

Just one comment here from my end before I get your direct questions. Hi, Mats. Because just to give some further flavor what Andres has said. So definitely, Merck, as you said, they're much more selective now and I think they have provided big inputs into the clinical trial design. So it was very, very helpful. And I'm sure that Andres can confirm that because obviously, they're the #1 developer of anti-PD-1 -- of the anti-PD-1 compound. And then I think the other thing, which is also important. Yes, obviously, this is a material and clinical trial collaboration agreement that we have with Merck, but that does not restrict us in any way to have other discussions. So of course, there are some restrictions on how we share the data, but Merck has to comply with the stock exchange rules of Stockholm. That means whenever we have price sensitive data, of course, they will be disclosed. So -- which is basically a good security for us, and then of course, also gives us the possibility to share good data, not only with the stock market, but also with potential other collaborators.

Mats Thorén;Vixco Capital;Analyst

analyst
#25

Okay. And just moving ahead to the direct questions. They were mostly about sort of potential information events during 2020. So I was curious whether you are planning to update on the NHL combination study anymore during the year at any of the relevant conferences. It's been a while since...

Martin Welschof

executive
#26

Yes. Yes. So we will be -- sorry to interject here. So we will present at ASH in any way. That will hopefully have a significant splash. And of course, at any time when we feel it makes sense to go out. So the only thing what I don't want to do is to basically report every patient. That doesn't make sense and also would misguide the market. So I think we have to accumulate a little bit more data, and then we might even consider to do something in between, but definitely at ASH regarding the Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma trial. And then also stay tuned regarding the Transgene collaboration. There will be some news also coming up soon as well as around 1808.

Mats Thorén;Vixco Capital;Analyst

analyst
#27

Okay. That's interesting. And then so my final question is more on the preclinical side because -- and that's a pet question of mine because you mentioned you have very exciting preclinical data on the combination with 1206 and PD-1s. But when will you actually start to show some of that data?

Martin Welschof

executive
#28

Yes. So basically, 2 comments there. Obviously, that data hasn't been shared under [ PDI ] with Merck. That's why they came, to be very clear on that. So they did a significant due diligence, both into the mode of action that we could present based on the preclinical data that the team has generated. So that's number one. Of course, it's just an indirect confirmation to you to understand that. And we're currently actually working on publication, hopefully, into a very, very high ranking journal. And that should also come out soon.

Mats Thorén;Vixco Capital;Analyst

analyst
#29

Okay. So just to be very clear, so -- come out soon. So is that submitted at this time? Or how do you sort of...

Martin Welschof

executive
#30

So you already know this is always the process. You don't go only for one journal. Obviously, we go for high quality and then it's back and forward process. So I would not give any further comments because they would anywhere also give a misguidance. But just to reiterate, Merck has validated it. They came on board, and we will try to publish this as soon as possible.

Operator

operator
#31

There are no further questions. I would like to hand back to you, gentlemen, for some closing remarks.

Martin Welschof

executive
#32

Yes. Thank you very much for the questions and also apologies for having this early during this day, but we are basically having a heavy travel schedule. That's the reason for it. Well, from my end, nothing more to say, really. So I think I was very happy with 2019. I'm looking for very optimistic into 2020. And so when I look back to the margins that we had during 2019, if I just think about the most important ones that were around 8 important milestones, and I expect to deliver similarly during this year. And of course, much more important data since we're now moving rapidly into the clinic. So thank you very much for your interest. And what we also will do, so obviously, going forward, we'll also have other events, not only such calls. But I will be actually next week in Stockholm for the Carnegie where I'll give a presentation. So whoever is in Stockholm, please feel free to meet me there. And then also, we are planning some other events, Capital Market Day, et cetera, et cetera. And we'll announce that once those plans are finalized. So thank you very much for your support and your interest.

Operator

operator
#33

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This call has been concluded. You may disconnect.

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