Blend Labs, Inc. (BLND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 10, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorAfternoon. My name is Emma, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Blend update call. [Operator Instructions]. Winnie Ling, Corporate Secretary, you may begin your conference.
Winnie Ling
executiveHi, everyone. Before we begin, please note that statements made during today's conference call regarding Blend and its operations may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. The company cautions you that forward-looking statements involve substantial risks and uncertainties in a number of factors, many of which are beyond the company's control, could cause actual results, events or circumstances to differ materially from those described in these statements. Please see the risk factors we've identified in our SEC filings. We are not undertaking any commitment to update these statements if conditions change, except as required by law. Please also note that we will not be discussing our results for the fourth quarter and full year 2022 until our earnings release in, March and we will not be commenting on our 2022 performance or 2023 outlook during Q&A or other portions of this call. I'll now turn the call over to Nima, Co-Founder and Head of Blend.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveThank you for joining us. Today, we announced a series of big changes. The upshot is we're taking decisive action across the company to become even stronger. We're going to be materially leaner than we've ever been before, while not mortgaging our future. We'll continue investment in our builder platform and for our existing customers, we will be laser-focused on getting the benefits of the product enhancements we've made over the past few years. I'll walk through the outcomes of this in a moment. There are three big takeaways from our announcement today: One, we're providing an update and further details on our plans to reduce our cost structure as we prepare Blend to achieve profitability; two, we're making some key organizational changes that align with that objective and our shift to becoming a platform company; and three, as part of this, we're addressing not just cost, but also our product suite and corresponding revenue model in ways that enhance our margin profile and accelerate our path to profitability. Internally, Blend, we view these changes as both a response to market realities and also a natural evolution of our strategy. We spent 10 years building a product set and growing our market share, especially with quality financial institutions that are well positioned for market recovery. The steps we're taking today will strengthen Blend's long-term growth opportunities and our value creation journey. So let me recap what we're doing, add a little context, and then we want to give you a chance to ask questions given that our Q4 earnings call will not be until March. And one note on that front, one thing we are not discussing today is last year's performance or this year's revenue outlook. Given how early we are in the year, we'll look to address those topics in March. So to recap, three key pieces of our announcement. First is our cost structure. We've taken a difficult but very important action of reducing our onshore employee base by an additional 28%. This reduction cuts across every function in the company. We believe this action, combined with other efficiency measures will reduce our annualized operating expense and cost of revenue by more than $100 million from the third quarter of 2022 through the end of 2023. Last year, we told you we reduced our non-GAAP net operating losses by 50% by the end of 2023. We believe these actions will help us surpass that goal. Second, we're also realigning company leadership to support the objective we've been building towards for a few years. A transition from a company with several point solutions to a platform company. Blend Builder is the next-generation platform for banks to offer their products. But this transition from a product company to a platform company is not easy. Our first move year was recently adding Dean Klinger to run all of our go-to-market. He came from two companies that underwent this transition, Snowflake and ServiceNow. Today, we announced the appointment of a new Head of Finance and Administration. Amir Jafari, who spent a number of years at ServiceNow during their transition from a product to a platform. Amir will oversee all key internal operational functions, including finance, legal, security, HR, IT and others. This will effectively consolidate the roles of Tim Mayopoulos, Marc Greenberg and Crystal Sumner; all three will be departing the management team after transition periods, while Tim will remain on the Board. I'm so grateful for everything we've done in building Blend. They've all been here for more than 4 years, and they have helped us get to where we are today, and they have left us with a bright future ahead of us. Third, we're enhancing our go-to-market investment strategies to align our growth squarely with our best market opportunities and doing so in ways that will meaningfully benefit our margins and accelerate our profitability path. Key initiatives here include: first, Blend Builder. You've heard me talk about the configurable software platform that we've invested in over a number of years. It's a composable origination platform that gives us and our customers the power and flexibility to originate all their products seamlessly. Without writing much, if any code, we've already developed products off of the builder platform, including our instant home equity and deposit products. Opening it up for customers is the next step. Importantly, Builder will also help us to diversify our revenue model. On top of our traditional success-based transaction fees, our customers will pay an additional platform fee that comes with the power and flexibility of Blend Builder. This should help drive additional growth, predictability and incremental margin. When ready for our mortgage customers, Builder will give them additional power and flexibility they've been asking for and help them differentiate in a meaningful way. It's our platform of the future and key to our transition from a point solution company to a platform company. Next, we're also thoughtfully reallocating investment in both R&D and sales with a focus on Blend Builder while setting the foundation for our next-generation mortgage products. Obviously, mortgage today is our biggest business. So what are we doing there? Over the past few years, we've invested in and built a rich portfolio of products, most recently Loan Officer Toolkit, Blend Income and Blend Close. Because of the high volatility environment for the past couple of years, many of our customers haven't had the capacity to adopt new functionality at scale. But now they do and technology is the best way for them to drive efficiency capture market share and outgrow their competitors. So as customers invest in positioning for the next upturn, we can also harness the benefits of the backlog or features we built while efficiently reallocating dollars to Blend Builder. Given that we haven't provided the 2023 revenue outlook yet, we understand it's hard to put all of these initiatives into perspective. So I'll provide some. We now believe that our mortgage origination business should turn EBITDA positive in the second half of this year. This is a big step forward for us at a time when volumes are still low. Second, looking at overall Blend platform gross margin, we're improving our product margins and diversifying our revenue streams as we leverage Blend Builder, which has a platform revenue component and a unit revenue component. We have previously said our gross margins for our Platform segment in the medium term would be in the mid-60s. Now we see a path to overall platform gross margins exceeding 70% exiting this year and a few percentage point higher if you exclude software-enabled title. While it's too early to get specific, what we're sharing here implies a very healthy gross margin improvement exiting 2023 from where we'll exit 2022. Combined with our cost reductions, as we improve our product margin story and begin to generate additional revenue from Builder, we believe we will be in a much better position sooner to capitalize on a broader market recovery once the interest rate and macro picture is clear. To wrap up, we have a lot of work to do. We'll be in a tough operating environment for some time, but we're taking decisive action. We have a clear plan and a very strong management team. We have a great customer base that continues to grow and will continue to expand within those customers, and we have the best platform in the market. In short, we feel confident in our path and our ability to execute. With that, let's open it up to questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Michael Ng from Goldman Sachs.
Michael Ng
analystI just had two. First, just on the cost initiatives and the cost savings, is that $100 million of annualized savings a net number? Or is it a gross number that may be reinvested to scale the Blend Builder product? And then second, I was just wondering if you could just provide a little bit more detail around how you're defining the mortgage origination business versus the Blend Platform business because it seems like a new segmentation relative to what we may have been used to hearing about in the past?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveI'll take the first one. This is Nima. Thanks for the question. I'll now hand it over to Marc for the second question. The $100 million is net, meaning from Q3 2022 until end of 2023, when you look at our overall costs, operating expenses and cost of revenue, we are now expecting greater than $100 million in savings across those two things. And Marc, do you want to take the question about segmentation and there's no change in segmentation, Marc, maybe you can give some more detail around that.
Marc Greenberg
executiveYes. Sure, Nima. Yes, there's no segmentation. We just wanted to make sure it was clear that when we look at mortgage, we're looking at mortgage and mortgage-related add-ons, and that's a profitable business and how we look at it internally.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Tomasello with KBW.
Ryan Tomasello
analystJust starting on the cost actions, I appreciate the commentary relative to the intermediate-term targets for 2023 that you previously gave. Just curious, beyond that, do you think -- do you view these cost actions as incremental, meaning accelerating your prior long-term targets of reaching cash flow breakeven by the end of 2025 or more of a step in that process to align with the current operating outlook that's affecting the top line?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveThese cost actions surpassed our previously planned cost actions. We're not going to give outlook on exactly just given that we haven't given revenue outlook for this year on exactly when that happens, but this surpasses our prior expectation of costs going forward.
Ryan Tomasello
analystAnd then in terms of the go-to-market and revenue model enhancements, maybe you can discuss how you envision the business mix evolving over the next several years. You mentioned the updated gross margin target for the mortgage business exceeding the 70% range by the end of this year. But curious if we should take this commentary as the company dialing back its exposure to the mortgage market and if you have a target for your mortgage revenue mix over the next several years, maybe I'll pause there and let you guys address that question.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveWe don't have a target for our mortgage revenue mix, and we're not dialing back on the mortgage industry. The reality is with Blend Builder, it can support a whole suite of products, every product that a lender or a bank may offer. And I also mentioned that the Blend Builder, a lot of what our mortgage customers ask for is the flexibility and power of something like what Blend Builder offers, which is having the ability to differentiate and create customer workflows to drive additional efficiency. So we are not dialing back on the mortgage industry. It's just that we're being opened up to new markets faster by focusing our investment around the Blend Builder, which we think is a one-of-a-kind platform, and we think it's going to be a big part of our future going forward.
Ryan Tomasello
analystAnd just one last one if I can squeeze in before hopping back in the queue. Regarding the Blend Builder platform fees and the recurring revenues that you called out as being higher incremental margin. Do you think that these changes will drive a meaningful near-term increase in the mix of recurring non-success fee-based revenues? Or is that still likely to take time as you ramp the Blend Builder focus?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveSure. And even -- just to be clear, even the Blend Builder platform, think of Blend Builder as a premium enterprise offering for people who want that level of flexibility, the ones who want to pay for that level of flexibility and power of an enterprise offering, if you will. And especially for companies who want to use this across multiple business lines or across within mortgage to truly differentiate and have a custom -- totally custom workflows and totally custom internal and external design. That's the power it brings. So you'll still have a unit-based fee on top of that enterprise platform fee. It's not like we're foregoing the success-based fees. We believe in those. And for the platform fees to take on a material portion of revenue will take time if that becomes the case. It won't happen overnight, given that we're just launching really this year or late last year in earnest.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord.
Joseph Vafi
analystI know most of this call is focused here on the cost side and some changes to pricing in the business model. But any commentary on uptakes or deal activity that you care to provide right now would be great, especially around perhaps signing more larger banks.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveYes. I think the simple way to put it is the mortgage industry, while it's in this turmoil and figuring out where they can make investments and when they can make investments, most of our interest and focus on the new sales side is with banks around the non-mortgage offerings, and we're seeing good interest and traction there, and we'll keep you updated as those things evolve. Nothing that we can share right now. And then on the mortgage side, making sure our customers make it through this current market environment where purchase volumes are lower than people expected, refinance volumes are lower than people expected. It's tech platforms like ours that can help make them successful. And so that's what we're going to do on the customer success side, which is, of course, very, very important to us.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Matt Stotler with William Blair.
Matthew Stotler
analystJust one for me. Obviously, something you guys talked about in the past is the approach for the success-based pricing and how attractive that was for customers by tying your success to their success. What's your sense of the readiness or willingness within your customer base today to add on a platform to be on top of that? And any feedback that you've gotten from customers so far in terms of their acceptance of that additional pricing model would be helpful.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveYes, sure. And again, the platform is a fee for the people who want that additional level of flexibility and power. And so we still believe in the success-based pricing model. And that being said, where we have had customers who want that additional flexibility in power and want a drag-and-drop platform where they can essentially automate a large part of their business that they're willing to pay that fee. This platform doesn't exist anywhere else. And so they want to be able to create a modern digital first, fairly automated business so that they can survive and thrive in this environment. So those are the -- those customers are the ones who are willing to do it, and I realize not everyone is going to want to do that. So we have different tiers that are essentially focused on making sure that anybody can adopt our product. And then as we go upmarket, and there's more appetite to customize and get that level of flexibility. So we have a product offering for them and a product suite for them.
Operator
operatorYour next question again comes from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs.
Michael Ng
analystI was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the Blend gross margin exit rate coming out of 2023 in excess of 70%. Is that something that we should think about as improving gradually throughout 2023? Or is this something that is more of a sharp inflection point following some of the cost cuts that you've announced today -- and it's mostly in the title business?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveYes, it's gradual throughout 2023. It's not mostly entitled business. There are areas of opportunity for us to improve gross margin within our mortgage product, within our consumer banking products, but it is gradual throughout 2023. And it's a combination of all things.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Terry Tillman with Truist Securities.
Terrell Tillman
analystMarc, one thing for you. Hopefully, you can get some well-deserved rest and good luck with whatever you do next. I guess in terms of -- I had a handful of questions. One question is, as it relates to the 28% reduction in onshore headcount, I'm assuming you all have opportunities with offshore and then probably those cost advantages. Can you talk about maybe offshore headcount increases? And given the take -- the puts and takes of onshore and offshore what does total head count going to look like when you get done with some of these cost containment efforts? And then I have a couple of follow-ups.
Marc Greenberg
executiveThanks, Terry. I appreciate the comment as well. On the offshore onshore, a lot of what the offshore was focused on was title. Now we're adding offshore resources across the business other parts of the business, finance and support and other places in order as you said, to capture some of those cost savings. But net-net, it's a reduction in offshore head count for the time being.
Terrell Tillman
analystOkay. So total reduction as well when we account for reduction as well?
Marc Greenberg
executiveYes.
Terrell Tillman
analystCan you maybe quantify how much?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveLet me just add one thing there. There are certain things we're not offshoring. So our sales reps, for example, our R&D, our engineers, our product managers. Those people are staying onshore. And so there are some parts of the business that Marc mentioned we will offshore for the efficiencies, and we have plans offshore in some parts that we don't.
Terrell Tillman
analystUnderstood. And then maybe, Nima, for you. I don't know themes on this call, but I would love to get a perspective, but it's not really trying to ask about how fourth quarter is, but there is an ongoing evolution here of the business and the go-to-market from point solutions to platform selling. And that's a journey. Maybe what you've seen so far from Dean and his team in terms of kind of the progress there? And then the second part of that question is with Blend Builder, do you think in terms of what's going to be more actionable and monetizable is getting new logos in the door or this just really helps create volume of velocity with installed base selling? And then I actually had one more question after that.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveYes, sure. And Dean has been a great add for the exact reason you mentioned because this transition from a product to a platform is not a simple one. It's not -- if companies think of you as a product company and then suddenly, now the CTO and the Chief Digital Officer and the CIO and all these people who historically haven't had as much exposure to you, get exposure, it opens up new possibilities. And so a lot of what he's been doing is making sure we are getting in front of all of those constituents so they can understand the power that gets at their fingertips with something like Blend Builder. And it's a really powerful thing, and they start to think about possibilities that we didn't even think about. So I've been very impressed with the level and quality of conversations helps our customers think big, which is obviously good for them and good for us. And so it becomes something where if we can get that motion and continue to get that motion, something we can do across the market and even down market, it will be something very powerful for our customer base. And what was your second question?
Terrell Tillman
analystThe second part -- and I'm terrible. I always have these multipart questions. It's got to be annoying for folks. The second part of the question was just related to with Blend Builder, and it's probably not a simple answer, but do you think it ends up becoming more actionable in terms of installed base selling and just getting that next use case going? Or do you think it becomes an easier quicker wedge in the new logos with Blend Builder?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveYes. I mean there's been a number of customers who have basically said to our prospects we have basically said to us in the past. We want the level of flexibility that we would have if we built this thing in-house. And we haven't been able to give that to them because there wasn't a platform like Blend Builder out there where we could say, hey, go and customize the UI or the workflows or the internal tools in the way that Blend Builder allows to do with writing very little code. So now that we can give them that, it will help us get into logos where we believe it will help us get into logos that otherwise would have been very difficult to get, but also within our internal customer base, that even if we're in one or two lines of business, there are other lines of business who historically, they wanted that level of control and flexibility and the power candidly, that comes with something like Blend Builder that we haven't been able to give them for the other lines of business. So I think it'll help us in both. And it's going to be a progression. It's always hard to get in new logos. And once they see the success, they want to expand with you. But in this case, we're getting in front of new audiences even with an existing customer. So it feels almost like we're talking to a new logo in some ways when we do that.
Terrell Tillman
analystOkay. And I promise this is the last question, and thanks for being patient with all my questions. In terms of -- if I'm not mistaken and you've got a big focus on your largest customers caring and feeding for them, making sure they get through the downturn. But if I'm not mistaken, a lot of your largest customers, they're not on Blend Builder for their mortgage origination workflow, if I'm not mistaken. And assuming I'm right with that, when is potentially time frame on trying to get or maybe their interest to move to the Blend Builder kind of rails or architecture? And could that be another uplift in margins at some point?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveCandidly, we're not fully ready for that from a product perspective, from a tech perspective yet. The mortgage is the most complex product, but it is something that we have in our plans, something we're thinking about. We don't have a time line set specifically for that yet, but we're getting a lot of interest and we get people pulling us in that direction from a customer base. They want that level of power and flexibility. And mortgage, being able to differentiate in the new world is going to be very important, and we have a premium way for them to do that without having to build everything from scratch. And so to kind of get best of both worlds, once Builder is ready for them. So we're starting sort of exploratory conversations with customers. And when we're ready and we start doing other few, we'll make sure to share those case studies out with you all and with the market, so you all can see that.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Karl Keirstead with UBS.
Karl Keirstead
analystI wanted to ask a question actually unrelated to the press release, but concurrent with your release going out, there was another CNBC article about Wells Fargo shuttering its mortgage business. And just in case we all on the line get questions about that issue tomorrow. Nima, could you just discuss that how much is that in the rearview mirror versus maybe a degradation in that relationship still to come?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveI just pulled up. Thanks for the question, Karl. I just pulled up the article from CNBC. It says as part of its retrenchment, Wells Fargo is also shuttering its correspondent business that sells mortgages through third-party companies. And so the company -- again, this is -- I'm only reading what I see publicly, but their public strategy around mortgage has been to focus on their existing customers for a while and they've shared publicly their mortgage numbers so you can read into that. And a lot of those numbers are what you might expect when they focus on a certain subsegment of their population. But the correspondent business is not one that we were in the sort of retail direct business which is the business that would support them offering loans to their existing customers.
Karl Keirstead
analystOkay. So just to be clear, Wells Fargo is still a significant customer of Blend. Obviously, that was a big one at the time of the IPO. But where does that relationship and revenue streams stand now to the extent that you can disclose?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveNothing we can disclose there. We still work with them, but nothing we can disclose in terms of the magnitude of the relationship.
Operator
operatorYour next question again comes from the line of Ryan Tomasello with KBW.
Ryan Tomasello
analystJust thinking about the levers you have to pull from here need be, should the operating environment worsen depending on the macro outlook that's obviously remains very uncertain. Do you think that these cost actions you've announced here are more of like a complete ripping of the band-aid, so to speak? Or do you think there are still additional levers to potentially pull on the cost side, if necessary to achieve the profitability, cash flow breakeven targets you've laid out?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveWell, I don't want to say the job is done in the sense that there's probably always areas where we can continue to be efficient, just like any enterprise. But this is a fairly large -- we intended to make this a fairly large material effort because we wanted to get as much of this in place at the same time as we could. And that was the idea. I don't think we're perfectly efficient. We know we have more work to do. And so we'll keep an eye on those things as we go and find more opportunities as we can. But this is meant to be a fairly large change for the exact purpose of trying to minimize future disruptions that might come from that.
Ryan Tomasello
analystGot it. And last one for me. Obviously, these actions are going to benefit the company's cash flow profile and liquidity profile. But curious how you are thinking -- you and the Board are thinking about strategic options in terms of addressing the capital concerns that I think have been top of mind for shareholders. Is that a conversation that you have with the Board currently to get ahead of these needs, for example, dealing with the Title365 put option, if there's a way to address that or reduce that obligation sooner rather than later? And also on the term loan, whether there's any discussions around negotiating an extension there or other factors we're not considering?
Nima Ghamsari
executiveWe take our balance sheet very seriously, and we are always in discussions around these things. As they come up, we will -- as solutions or new things come up, we will share them with you but nothing material to share with you at this time regarding those things.
Operator
operatorThere are no further questions at this time. Nima Ghamsari, I turn the call back over to you for closing remarks.
Nima Ghamsari
executiveThank you, everyone, for joining. That was probably the most questions we've gotten in a while, and I'm not surprised because this is one of the most significant changes we've made to the business since we've been public and one that we're confident in with the path forward. As you could probably see from the actions, we take our cost structure very seriously, and we take our customer base very seriously as well. And it's hard to thread that needle. So we're finding a way to thread the needle to support both and ensure that we have a bright future ahead of us. We're committed to this industry. We're committed to the digital transformation that is set to continue. And with that, I want to thank you all for joining. Have a great day.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
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