BLS International Services Limited (BLS.NS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 12, 2025

NSEI IN Industrials Professional Services earnings 46 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the BLS International Services Limited Q2 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call, hosted by AMBIT Capital. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Moez Chandani from AMBIT Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Moez Chandani

attendee
#2

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of AMBIT Capital, I would like to welcome you all to the Q2 FY '26 Earnings Call for BLS International Services Limited. Joining us from the management today, we have Mr. Nikhil Gupta, Managing Director; Mr. Shikhar Aggarwal, Joint Managing Director; Mr. Amit Sudhakar, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Lokanath Panda, COO, Digital Business; Mr. Gaurav Chugh, Head Investor Relations. I thank the management for the opportunity to host the earnings call. We will now begin with opening remarks from Mr. Gaurav Chugh, post which the forum will be open for an interactive question-and-answer session. Thank you, and over to you, Gaurav.

Gaurav Chugh

executive
#3

Thank you, Moez. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking time out to join this call. This is to remind you that this discussion may contain forward-looking statements that may involve known or unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors. It may be viewed in conjunction with our businesses that could cause future results, performance or achievements to differ significantly from what is expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. I would like to hand over the call to Mr. Shikhar Aggarwal for his opening remarks, post which Mr. Amit Sudhakar will discuss the financial performance of the company, and we will then open the floor for a Q&A session. Over to you, Shikhar.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#4

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for the BLS Q2 and H1 FY '26 Earnings Call. We trust that you have had an opportunity to review the results, press release and investor presentation uploaded on the stock exchanges as well as on our website. We are pleased to share that the company has delivered a strong performance during the quarter, reflecting robust operational momentum across our key business verticals. On a consolidated basis, revenue for the second quarter increased 49% year-on-year, while EBITDA grew by 30%. On a sequential basis, we have maintained our EBITDA margins at around 29% in the second quarter, and we feel the margins have now stabilized at these levels. Profit after tax for the quarter rose by 27%. The results provided a solid platform for the sustained growth in the remainder of the fiscal year. Our visa and consular service business continued to strengthen its global footprint and reinforce our leadership in the outsourced visa processing industry. During the quarter, we secured a 3-year mandate from the MEA Government of India to operate India Visa application centers across key cities in China, including Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou. With improving dynamic relationships between India and China, we anticipate a meaningful increase in visa volumes going forward. In addition, we were awarded a contract by the government of Cyprus to establish a visa application center in Kazakhstan, further enhancing our international presence. Volumes visa increased by 12% during quarter 2 FY '26, rising to 11.3 lakh applications compared to 10.1 lakh applications in Q2 FY '25. Net revenue per application improved by 12% from INR 2,883 in Q2 FY '25 to INR 3,222 in Q2 FY '26, supported by enhanced service offering and favorable business mix. Our subsidiary, iDATA continued its strong growth momentum, processing around 1.8 lakh applications during the quarter, demonstrating sustained demand and operational efficiency. The successful integration of iDATA and new contracts position us well for the enhanced expansion. In a major milestone, we also won a prestigious and large-scale contract valued at around INR 2,000 crores from the Aadhaar Authority of India to establish district-level Aadhaar Seva Kendra. The long-term agreement reinforces our proven capability in executing large-scale e-governance and public service delivery projects, while strengthening our role in India's digital IP ecosystem. This contract will be executed over the period of 6 years. Now moving on to digital service business. Revenue from digital services increased significantly from INR 77 crores in Q2 FY '25 to INR 278 crores in Q2 FY '26, registering a remarkable growth of around 260% year-on-year. This is primarily due to the consolidation of Aadifidelis Solutions, which was acquired in November 2024. During the quarter, our digital service business continued to strengthen its partner ecosystem through strategic collaborations aimed at expanding service offerings and enhanced customer reach. We entered into key partnerships with Aditya Birla Capital and Piramal Finance in July 2025, followed by many other companies. In the same month, we also partnered with Grameen Foundation for Social Intact. The partnership collectively reinforce our position as an integral and diversified digital service platform. We continue to expand our digital service network, which now exceeds around 147,000 touch points, underscoring our commitment to enabling financial inclusion and improving digital services across India. In our BC business, we processed around 3.5 crore transactions during the quarter with gross transactional value crossing INR 27,300 crores. We further strengthened our distribution network by adding more than 15,000 channel service partners, taking the total to over 45,400 BCs as of September 30. Our partners generated loan leads approximately INR 8,600 crores for financial institutions during the quarter, compared to INR 1,400 crores in Q2 FY '25, reflecting deeper market penetration and enhanced service delivery. Now I'll turn over the call to Mr. Amit Sudhakar, our CFO, for further updates on our financial performance. Thank you.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#5

Thank you, Shikhar. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to share our consolidated financial results for the second quarter and first half ended September 30, 2025. For Q2 FY '26, our revenue reached INR 737 crores, representing a strong 49% year-on-year growth from INR 495 crores in Q2 FY '25. This growth was driven by a steady increase in application volumes and the consolidation of Citizenship Invest and Aadifidelis, which added further momentum. Our EBITDA for the quarter rose INR 213 crores compared to INR 164 crores last year, recording a growth of almost 30%. The EBITDA margin stood at 28.9% margins have now largely stabilized at this level as the key benefit from shifting to self-operated center model and integrating our acquisition businesses have been realized. Profit before tax for the quarter stood at INR 203 crores, up 24% from INR 164 crores in the same quarter last year. Profit after tax increased by 27% to INR 186 crores compared to INR 146 crores a year ago. It's worth noting that this strong growth came despite lower other income during the Q2 FY '26. The earnings per share for the quarter were INR 4.25 compared to INR 3.36 per share in Q2 FY '25. Now looking at the half year performance, the revenue for H1 FY '26 stood at INR 1,447 crores versus INR 988 crores last year, up by 46%. EBITDA rose to INR 417 crores from INR 297 crores, a growth of 40% with margin steady at 29%. Profit after tax for the half year was INR 367 crores compared to INR 267 crores last year, showing a 38% increase. Coming to segmental highlights. In Q2 FY '26, the Visa and Consular Services segment recorded a revenue of INR 457 crores, a 10% growth over INR 418 crores last year. EBITDA for the segment rose by 26% to INR 192 crores with a margin of 42%, an improvement of 549 basis points from 36.4% margin last year. Visa application volumes also grew 12% from 10.1 lakh to 11.3 lakh applications. This improvement in profitability was driven by higher volumes, cost optimization and the strategic shift to a self-run model across key geographies. The first half Visa Consular services revenue grew by 11% to INR 919 crores compared to INR 832 crores last year. EBITDA for the segment rose sharply by 38% to INR 378 crores with a margin improving to 41% from 33% last year, reflecting our focus on efficiency and profitability. In the Digital Business segment, revenue reached INR 278 crores in Q2 FY '26, up from INR 77 crores a year ago. EBITDA for the quarter was INR 21 crores, a 72% rise with a margin at 7.4%. This growth was primarily driven by the consolidation of Aadifidelis. For the first half, the Digital Business segment revenue reached INR 528 crores compared to INR 156 crores in H1 FY '25. The EBITDA for H1 FY '26 was INR 39 crores as compared to INR 24 crores in corresponding period of previous financial year. The company continues to maintain a strong cash flow and a healthy balance sheet with net cash of INR 1,306 crores as on September 30, 2025, compared to INR 928 crores as on 31, March 2025. With that, I will now hand over to the moderator to open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from the line of Shrenik Mehta from [Indoapps] Wealth.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#7

I have 2 questions. One, on the digital service, we've seen a sharp drop in terms of the EBITDA. What is the vision for the EBITDA over the next few quarters? How do you see that evolving?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#8

No. See, if you see the digital service business, our EBITDA margin has dropped primarily because of the acquisition of new company, Aadifidelis, that we acquired in November 2024. The margin is 3% on the revenue and the increased revenue. If you see on an overall basis, our EBITDA has grown to INR 20 crores from INR 12 crores in previous year last quarter. Basically, our margin has definitely -- percentage has gone down, as we said, explained also at the time of acquisition of Aadifidelis, since it's a high revenue, less EBITDA margin company. Our immediate objective is to maintain the EBITDA margin, but overall, if you see both our revenue and profitability has gone up.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#9

You believe the margin would remain at 7% going forward as well?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#10

No, I mean, in all of our business, our objective is to grow the margin, but right now, as the base has really increased of the company, our objective is to stabilize the margin. Going forward, as we introduce more value-added services, definitely, there is scope for improvement.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#11

My second question was about the hotel acquisition. I really can't see how e-visa company or a digital service company can say that this is strategic or this is something which is a part of the diversification. What was the real trigger behind the acquisition? What do you see the hospitality segment evolving as far as the BLS International is concerned?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#12

See, our first of all, long-term objective is to be asset-light player. As you know, we want to be brand name owner, as we are in the industry wherein we are in touch with a lot of travel agents across the world, where the people who are applying for tourist visa, etc., they continue to demand for different kind of services, which is airline, hotels, etc., booking from us, so we thought that this would -- we did a very small investment, if you see from our cash reserves that we have to understand this, which itself gives us a 10% to 12% return on our investment. Our objective is that once we learn, our objective is not to invest, but to inquire the expertise so we can run from our own brand name. Our objective is to run an asset-light model as in the visa business. That was the strategy because our customers are the same. We are globally in touch with all the travel agent community customers who are demanding different type of services. That was the reasoning behind getting into that.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#13

Tomorrow, if the customers are thinking about airline, we could also do something in the airline sector?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#14

See, that obviously is a multibillion-dollar business, and we don't have the bandwidth to invest in that. As I said, this was that one investment to understand how the businesses are. Then going forward, our objective is to be in the asset-light business.

Operator

operator
#15

The next question comes from the line of Krishnam Saraf from Samriddhi Finserve Family Office.

Krishnam Saraf

analyst
#16

I just have one question on the top line. This INR 736 crores as of Q2, what would be that number, if we exclude the acquisition, Citizenship and Aadifidelis?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#17

Amit?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#18

These 2 businesses had contributed around INR 200 crores in the revenue, which is about on the top line around 20%, 25%.

Krishnam Saraf

analyst
#19

Excluding that, it's around INR 536 crores versus INR 495 crores of Q2 of last year?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#20

That's right. On the PBT, it is about 5%, 6% only because Aadifidelis, as Shikhar said, the margins are about 2%, 2.5%, 3% only.

Krishnam Saraf

analyst
#21

The second question was on the MEA ban that was issued. I'm a bit confused around that. A few days after the ban was issued, the company also made a filing on winning a new contract from the MEA. If you could just give us some color on is the ban still effective? That is one. Second is, what was the actual cause of the ban? If you can provide some color on that as well.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#22

Yes. As we have -- when we had released in the exchanges, we had already announced in the interviews that we had received a notification from the MEA, saying that there were some customer complaints because of that, they are temporarily putting a ban on applying for new tenders. This tender we had already won. We are currently operating all the government contracts for the Indian government as well across the world, so there's no issue on that. As we said, we are working to resolve soon, and we are hopeful of resolving the matter soon. There should be no issue or neither any impact on our financials, etc.

Krishnam Saraf

analyst
#23

The ban is still effective, if I understand correctly. Can you also elaborate on what are the -- what was the customer complaints? That would be helpful.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#24

No, there were some SLA-driven complaints regarding waiting time, etc., that is normal when you're presenting millions of applications. We had already announced that. We are working towards resolving to resolve the matter, and we are hopeful to resolve it soon, and there is no impact on our financials or revenue.

Operator

operator
#25

The next question comes from the line of Vansh Solanki from RSPN Ventures.

Vansh Solanki

analyst
#26

My question is on organic growth on a Visa segment that if I see a Visa and Consular segment, the revenue, it is approx 10% only, while the management is always telling that the industry is already growing at 14%, 15%. Our Y-o-Y growth is very slow down in the last 2 quarters. Last quarter also is around 11% and this quarter is also Y-o-Y around 10% only. Even my number of applications are growing, net revenue is also growing, but why my revenue is not suiting up?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#27

Amit, if you can explain him, our EBITDA has grown up by 30%, and you can also explain to him.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#28

Yes. See, the growth depends on the volume of business. If you see in the last 2 quarters, the revenue -- the volumes have gone up by 10% and our revenue has also matched with that. Whereas if you look at the margins, they have improved over the -- if you look at from the last year versus now, the margins have gone up by more than 500 basis points. Improvement has been done on the rationalization and the cost.

Vansh Solanki

analyst
#29

I already understood about the EBITDA and all, but that is because of the partner acquisition, which we have done, our EBITDA and gross margin also shot up very nicely. I'm just concerned about the organic growth in the visa segment, why it is very stable even last 3 quarters, I see. In March also, it's INR 440 crores, June also, it's INR 460 crores and in September also it's INR 460 crores only.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#30

Yes. That depends on the volume basically. See, the travel volume is growing at 10%, the revenue will go according to that.

Vansh Solanki

analyst
#31

My another question on the revenue, can you just give me the split of revenue of Citizenship India, Aadifidelis and iDATA for this quarter?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#32

Yes. As I said, Citizenship was about INR 14.5 crores, iDATA was about INR 71.5 crores.

Vansh Solanki

analyst
#33

The last question is on the guidance of a number of applications for the full-year '26.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#34

See, as you said that we have done 11.3 lakh applications this quarter. First quarter is high season for our second quarter is also high. Our objective is to achieve more numbers than we did last year. Right now, in terms of volume, we don't know how many volume is expected in third quarter and fourth quarter. We definitely, whatever we have achieved in the last few years, we wish to surpass that.

Operator

operator
#35

The next question comes from the line of Viren Sameer Deshpande from Alphapeak Investments.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#36

It was nice to see the growth in all our businesses continue very well. We are growing this digital services business in a big way. Now, we secured a contract from the government with respect to this Aadhar Center establishment, etc., which is, I think, more than INR 2,000 crores. I think you had mentioned that this revenue will be received over a period of 6 years. Is it correct?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#37

Correct. That is correct. We have recently won this landmark project from central government, wherein we will be establishing around 250 to 300 centers within India. It will be starting from December. Gradually, we expect the revenue to ramp up. This is the minimum level that we will achieve, but if we can do more transactions, the revenue can be even higher.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#38

To understand this, you mentioned that suppose this work starts from January onwards, so in a quarter, suppose we establish about 10 centers, so we will -- after establishment every -- per center, we are going to get some revenue?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#39

See, it is according to the volume that we generate. Once the project is full force started, all the centers are started and all the volumes start coming in, it takes some months for the volumes to come to the normal level, then we will get the full revenue. Definitely, it will take some months to ramp up, but as I said, from next year, the revenue will start coming.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#40

Annually, we expect any ballpark figure, any idea annual revenue?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#41

You can divide by 6.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#42

About INR 350-odd crores, if I divide.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#43

Correct. When the project is fully ramped up, we expect that revenue to come in.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#44

Secondly, you clarified about this Ministry of External Affairs thing and the complaints and all those things. That is good. We hope to get it resolved sooner, but after that only, we secured new business from Ministry of External Affairs?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#45

I just explained this. I'm saying same question I clarified, sir, in the previous question also.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#46

Yes. For China, we got that, that was a good thing.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#47

Correct.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#48

Regarding this hotel, as you mentioned, since our business is not to be investing in big and we want to be asset-light pursue this model because our margins, etc., will be significantly dampened if we invest in these type of businesses. It will be good, we restrict our investment in this line and keep on making good margins as we are making currently?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#49

No. As we have explained that our objective is to be in the asset-light business. We want to offer full topography of services. As we said, we were getting a lot of customer demand for different kind of services, hotels, etc., so we thought it was a good model that we can got into asset-light managed hotel business. From that, we bought one small investment we did. Learnings of that, then we can replicate across the world, so this was the objective. How we started the digital services in 2016. I think this will really add to our revenue and profitability in the coming years as well.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#50

But we don't propose to buy any properties further?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#51

No. As I've explained to you already.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#52

Our margins currently about 28%, do we expect to hold on to about this 28%, 29% levels?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#53

Correct. These are the consolidated margin. As you know, more than 40% EBITDA margins we are doing in the visa business, our immediate and long-term objective is to sustain the margins that we have achieved.

Viren Deshpande

analyst
#54

Yes, because Visa gives us a good business margin of 40%-odd. This digital services will dilute it to some extent, but we will be getting good revenues also. Together, blended margins should be in the range of 29%, 30%, which is our goal.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#55

Correct.

Operator

operator
#56

The next question comes from the line of Arpit Shah from Stallion Assets.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#57

I just wanted to understand what kind of cash we are holding right now on the Indian books?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#58

Amit?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#59

You're talking on the Indian books, it will be around INR 350 crores.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#60

About INR 1,000-odd crores would be then on the international books, right?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#61

Yes. It will be all over the globe. Together, it will be around INR 1,000 crores.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#62

Any plans to get back the cash from overseas subsidiaries to India? Because what's typically happening right now that we have been seeing a phenomenal performance in terms of revenues, EBITDA, visa applications and everything, but all of that is not getting reflected in our valuations today in terms of the market cap that we should be having. We broadly a 2-player market globally, we and VFS and the kind of valuations markets are giving us today is because of probably the cash which is staying outside of India. If we can probably get that cash to India by paying all kinds of taxes, whichever are necessary, probably that will push up the valuations for our company, which is doing phenomenally well in terms of their execution, but given the cash is outside, the valuation stays has a cap to its number. How are you thinking about it?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#63

See, the last year, if you look at, we did about INR 900 crores of investment in new acquisitions outside India. It all happened from the cash there. Current year also, we are looking at more acquisitions. As and when they get crystallized, we will need cash outside India rather than in India for those. Secondly, I just understand that about 70% of our cash gets generated outside India only. As and when required with the dividend and other we are paying, we are getting the money from there only to pay those. Depending on where we do investments, we will accordingly will move the money in those respective regions.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#64

Is it possible to actually formulate a policy for dividends because we are a very high cash-generating company. I don't think we will require that kind of cash growth every year those kinds of opportunities are not available in the market currently, given there are limited players which are doing visa processing. We can actually formulate a formal dividend policy and start giving out the cash to shareholders. I think that would be a great strategy to have.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#65

You are right. We have a dividend policy. Earlier, it was 15% of our consolidated cash generated amount. Now we have raised it to 30% of our surplus cash after taking into account of any funding requirements, the net cash, we have increased that. The Board can have the flexibility of increasing the dividend going forward.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#66

Any plans to have a buyback given where the valuations are for the company and what kind of numbers you are going to be producing at least for the next couple of years is probably very much attractive valuations for the company that you are in and the kind of opportunities which is out there. Do you think buyback would be a great opportunity to go ahead with?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#67

Personally, I don't see any major tax benefit to the investor, the dividend or buyback. Again, it's a Board decision, but both the options are open for the Board to take a call.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#68

Because minority investors, what is happening is typically, the market cap creation, which should shall happen with this kind of performance is not happening. Probably, the cash is one of the reasons which is staying outside India and one of the reasons where investors are not getting that kind of confidence to be actually part of this journey. That is why only feedback.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#69

I understand, but just from the SEBI guidelines for a buyback, the free reserve, they look at only at the stand-alone balance sheet point of view only. There, the free reserve and the amount of buyback amount becomes very small. Dividend becomes, I would say, a better option of rewarding the shareholders. Yes, these all will be -- can be discussed by the Board, and I will certainly put those options.

Arpit Shah

analyst
#70

I think you all should look at very, very strongly in this kind of process because that will really help everyone out.

Operator

operator
#71

[Operator Instructions]. The next question comes from the line of Shreya from Moneyvesta Wealth Management.

Shreya Kejriwal

analyst
#72

Congratulation on the results. I had a question on your key government contract. As I saw the official MEA report that the Quest contract has already expired in September 2025 and the Canada contract will also is due for renewal in December. Could you update us on whether this has been renewed or if there is an interim arrangement in place or any annual discussion to begin?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#73

No. All our contracts are ongoing, and we have got extensions in all our contracts. We need to see the exact pipeline that you are mentioning, so right now, all our contracts are intact.

Shreya Kejriwal

analyst
#74

The next question I want to ask, regarding the MEA ban. As you mentioned that it's a temporary ban, so are you like focusing on going into beyond visa application, what's your broader strategic priority for the next 2 years in terms of government partnerships and geographical diversification?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#75

No. As we said, when we started, we were working with only one government from 2007, '08 when we started. Now our revenue from Indian government is only 12% of our revenue. We have continued to grow and gotten many new government clients. Our strategy is to get more government contracts that are coming up for renewal, and that is what we are focused on.

Shreya Kejriwal

analyst
#76

Like outside India, you're talking about, not only in Indian government, you are focusing more on the outside India, different governments for the contracts?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#77

Correct. Globally. We are focusing in India as well as globally.

Operator

operator
#78

The next question comes from the line of Divyanshu Mahawar from Investec Capital.

Divyanshu Mahawar

analyst
#79

Congrats for the good set of numbers. My first question is regarding the visa application globally. What is the number of the total visa application that has been handled? Out of which is -- how much is in-house and how much is outsourced? What actually I wanted to understand is that for next 2 to 3 years, what could be the potential of that outsourcing out of the total visa application that is been handled?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#80

See, what we handled, we can tell you that we handled around 11.3 lakh applications this quarter. What we feel is that we have currently 15% to 17% global market share and 50% of the market is outsourced. 50% is yet to be outsourced, which numbers we had, there's no proper study that is out there, but this is what our assumption is. There is opportunity for tenders which are coming in the outsourced market as well. As well the new government which have never outsourced and also there's a prospective opportunity to even get contracts on that.

Divyanshu Mahawar

analyst
#81

Secondly, on the visa business, if you look at the EBITDA margin, so I think it is an all-time high EBITDA margin, roughly around 42% EBITDA margin. Just wanted to understand that how much percentage of your whole visa business has been converted to a self-centered model, which we used to manage it by a partnered model. It's 100% self-owned model or it's 10%, 5% is remaining on the partnered model. Because if it's remaining, then I think margin expansion could also be a big change in Visa business. What's your thoughts around this?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#82

No. Our objective is the increased base just to maintain the margins. We are at a very increased pace. We don't expect the margins to go up. Our objective is to stabilize the margins. We are operating in multiple countries still with partners because of different-different reasons, and exact numbers, we need to check how many we operate. Majority obviously are operated by us independently. This is the objective right now.

Divyanshu Mahawar

analyst
#83

Is there any chance that the remaining countries that we are operating in has a partnered model. Going forward, they can move towards a self-centered model?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#84

Yes, we have to see the feasibility. There is a possibility some countries could move, but I don't expect any further change in margins, since we have really reached a very high level already.

Operator

operator
#85

The next question is from the line of Abhijit from Pie Asset Managers.

Abhijeet Pai

analyst
#86

Just 2 questions. How do you see the revenue mix between visa segment and digital services 2 years down the line?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#87

See, revenue mix has changed primarily because of acquisition of Aadifidelis, which is at a higher revenue and less EBITDA. Around INR 200-odd crores of revenue has come from Aadifidelis. That is why if you see revenue mix has a little bit changed in the visa and digital business. Going forward, we feel that revenue definitely in the Visa business will also go up. Revenue in the digital business will also go up. There could be some small change wherein Visa business could contribute more, but digital services business also going forward at the same rate. I don't expect any downward change in the revenue mix from the Visa business, but it could change in the future as we win new contracts, both in the visa and digital business.

Abhijeet Pai

analyst
#88

You largely expect the mix to remain the same, right?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#89

Amit, what do you think? It's very difficult to answer at this point. I feel this is the bare minimum. It could only be better.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#90

I think it should somewhere get to that 70-30 range over the period. Again, it is subject to how the new business comes in as well as the acquisition, both.

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#91

Correct.

Abhijeet Pai

analyst
#92

The other question was regarding the ban from MEA. What steps are you taking towards getting ban from other governments because...

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#93

This is a very weird question. We work with governments every day. Every day, we are in talks with the governments. We are monitoring their SLA, etc., so our steps are always to fulfill all the contractual obligations. So that is what we are focused on.

Operator

operator
#94

The next question is from the line of Shikha Mehta from Time & Tight Advisors.

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#95

I just have a few questions. I'm sorry if they're repetitive in nature. One, I wanted to understand what our acquisition pipeline is going forward. If we have anything currently in the pipeline or we have any target of acquisitions for the next, say, 12 to 18 months?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#96

Shikha, we have a couple of targets we are working on, and we hope to increase our pipeline of companies, which may be in the -- which we can review and take them forward. We are quite, I would say, aggressively looking at decent acquisitions over the next couple of years.

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#97

Sir, do we have a certain valuation target that we look at like a range, say, 2x sale or certain kind of EBITDA that we look to acquire?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#98

Yes. See, our main focus is on the -- that those companies should be having an EBITDA multiple that we look at. We never look at revenue multiple and whole objective to look at from the ROI point of view and the return and then what synergies we have…

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#99

When we say ROI, do we mean ROI for us as in an acquiring company, what kind of ROI generates to us or as an entity as a whole?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#100

Yes, from our point of view. What are the return on our investment we are going to generate. We look at a lot of parameters. This call will take a couple of hours to discuss, but more or less the bottom line is that we are serious on the acquisition and expanding our existing businesses.

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#101

Sir, secondly, can you tell me how much percentage our stand-alone business has grown, that is without any of the new acquisitions?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#102

In this quarter, because of the Aadifidelis, our acquisition business has given us about 20%, 25% of the revenue and about 6%, 7% in the PBT.

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#103

How much has our visa business grown at without counting any of the other assets?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#104

This quarter is practically all organic growth, which has come in the Q2.

Shikha Mehta

analyst
#105

Broadly, organic growth only. 27% year-on-year broadly or 25% if you remove a bit of the acquisition. Say, 25% is something you can consider year-on-year organic growth?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#106

The organic growth, if you see Visa business, we have done about 10% this quarter. That is all in Visa business. 15% or so we have done in the...

Operator

operator
#107

The next question comes from the line of Attar Syed from Smart Sync Services.

Attar Syed

analyst
#108

Sir, I have one question, what is your vision in next 3 to 5 years? Where you are seeing your visa business and digital business? Currently, our visa business is around 75% and digital business is around 25%, so what we should assume in the future?

Shikhar Aggarwal

executive
#109

Amit, can you answer that? We just answered this question, right?

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#110

70-30 is what we are looking for. Again, this all will depend how the new contract comes in and how the acquisition happens over the period of time.

Attar Syed

analyst
#111

What kind of companies we are looking for acquisition? Last time we did hotels and etc., so any...

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#112

See, we are looking at businesses which have some synergy with our existing business or we can grow those businesses because of our reach and our client that we can somehow expand those businesses in the future.

Operator

operator
#113

In the interest of time, this was the last question for today's conference call. I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Amit Sudhakar

executive
#114

Thank you, everyone, for joining this conference call. If you have any further questions, you can get in touch with EY team or Gaurav Chugh. Thank you so much.

Operator

operator
#115

Thank you, sir. On behalf of AMBIT Capital, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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