Bridger Aerospace Group Holdings, Inc. (BAER) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 31, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Austin Moeller
attendeeHi. Good morning, everyone. My name is Austin Moeller. I'm one of the sustainability analysts here at Canaccord Genuity. Today, we are joined by Peter Platzer, the CEO of Spire Global; and McAndrew Rudisill, the CIO of Bridger Aerospace, and we have a very exciting topic today. We're going to be talking about extreme weather events and the technology and equipment that's out there available to surveil it and provide that data to major stakeholders. So I'll just start with Peter, if you'd like for those in the audience who aren't familiar, just give a brief overview of Spire.
Peter Platzer
attendeeAbsolutely Austin. It's a pleasure to be here on this important subject. My name is Peter Platzer. I am the CEO of Spire Global, a satellite-based global observation company operating one of the world's largest satellite constellation, collecting weather data and other data all across the world, over 100x covering the earth, selling it to both commercial and government customers. We're operational now for over a decade and went public about 2.5 years ago.
Austin Moeller
attendeeExcellent. And McAndrew, if you could just give everyone a brief overview here of Bridger Aerospace.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveSure, Austin. This is McAndrew Rudisill, I'm the Chief Investment Officer of Bridger Aerospace. And Bridger is the largest provider of wildfire suppression services globally at this point. We also have a large fleet of aerial surveillance assets that surveil wildfires in the U.S., and we're in the midst of an expansion into Europe right now with our fleet of Super Scoopers and have continued to grow our fleet surveillance aircraft in the U.S.
Austin Moeller
attendeeExcellent. So I think the most important question to start off with here is how important is it for governments and major enterprise stakeholders to collect real-time intelligence on the weather and extreme natural disaster events? And Peter, you're welcome to start.
Peter Platzer
attendeeSure. Absolutely. My pleasure. Well, I think it's a reasonably straightforward question. So I think it's probably also fair to say that McAndrew and I were probably a little bit biased here and based on what we see from our customers. But I would argue that it is incredibly important. And more importantly, it is getting more important by the day. About 1/3 of the global economy is impacted by the weather, which is a number that is increasing and the large portion of that impact has to do increasingly with extreme weather events. So what we're seeing is, is that portion of the global GDP, some tens of trillions of dollars who stakeholders are responsible for managing that are increasingly aware and increasingly eager to collect information, not just on -- from a real-time basis of what is happening with right now, but even more importantly, having powerful predictions about what is going to happen and what they should be doing given what has been happening in the past, what is happening right now and what will be happening most likely in the future.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveI agree with everything that Peter just said. And from what we've seen all around the world is that there's a very large demand from governments to understand what's going on, on a real-time basis, particularly with wildfires. And we're seeing a larger demand from insurance companies around the world recently as well to understand how wildfires are affecting the assets that they insure. And that's resulted in just a need for a lot more real-time surveillance. And obviously, we're doing it with aircraft and Peter is doing it with satellites. But the impacts from all these natural disasters caused billions of dollars of damage on an annual basis. And it's just something that you have to get ahead of with real-time information.
Austin Moeller
attendeeExcellent. And so just to follow up on that point, in recent years, how has climate change impacted the -- from what you've seen, the frequency and severity of wildfires, droughts, hurricanes, flooding and other weather emergencies based on the data you've collected and provided to key customers?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveI'll start with the wildfires and I'll pass the torch to Peter on everything else. But from what we've seen on the wildfire front on all of the collection data that we've done over the last 10 years is -- unfortunately, the number of acres burned and the number of wildfires per year in the Northern and Southern hemispheres, has continued to go up into the right on an annual basis every single year. Climate change has caused wider variability in the amount of moisture in the atmosphere, in both the Northern and Southern hemispheres, which is -- it causes large changes in the aridity of all the forests, but the general trend is that the forest lands are becoming more aired as you head further North towards the North Pole and the Southern Poles. And what that's resulted in is, what you saw last year, huge forest fires in Canada. You've seen large forest fires all throughout Europe and Central Asia. And we just -- we don't see that trend really changing anywhere at this point in time.
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes. I mean I can only add to that. I want to make a preface is that I'm just a high-energy and fusion physicist and space scientist. I'm not a climatologist. So I'm going to approach this from like the fact that I have seen and that I have been informed of, burn area, I think, has increased fivefold over the last 5 decades. We do a lot of work on hurricanes and tracking them and predicting where they will go. And the frequency of those has doubled over the last 100 years. As a matter of fact, the last 20 years have been 250% more often abnormally high, seen hurricane activity than the prior 50 years combined. So I think it's -- whatever is causing it, a true fact seems to be that extreme weather events are getting more frequent, more extreme, in more areas of the world. And as McAndrew has said, also far more variants so that harder to predict unless you capture substantially more data, substantially more information and really put your focus on this, causing massive disruption for communities, corporations and countries literally all across the globe.
Austin Moeller
attendeeIt's definitely very concerning. So just on that point about data, and the collection of the data, what government agencies and key customers are primarily issuing contracts to you for your surveillance and remote sensing data and services around weather and wildfire conditions? And Peter, you're welcome to start.
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes. If I maybe jump in with that one. We've seen it, of course, a lot from the civil agencies. So the national space agencies across the world, be that in Europe, the European Space Agency or the U.K. Space Agency, you have the Luxembourg Space Agency, or, of course, NASA in the U.S. We've also seen it increasingly from those weather institutes, be that NOAA in the U.S., be that in the U.K. Met Office, be that EUMETSAT in Europe and other places across the world. So those that are really charged with the protection of life and property. But then it reaches much, much further. And I think McAndrew is going to have a very, very good feel on that as well. As more local and specific agencies are also increasingly highly interested in this type of data, in this kind of predictions to protect their communities. And as you said, it is not just the government agencies. We have seen a tremendous increase on the commercial side as well, as more and more corporations lean into managing that extreme weather event risk for themselves and for their operations. More proactively and diminish the bottom line impact that those events have.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveI'll echo what Peter said and specific to Bridger. I mean in terms of the government agencies that work with us on a contracting basis, it's all the land management agencies basically all around the world that are interested in working with us. On surveillance as well as suppression and the U.S. Forest Service and the Department of Interior are the largest customers in the United States, all the provincial governments in Canada, most of the European governments and their prior management agencies are customers of Bridger. So it's really -- the focus has been primarily that federal government customer all around the world, and we've more recently started to see almost all the states in the United States that have fire activity, our direct customers. And more recently, we've been seeing municipal agencies that have specific fire issues and surveillance needs come to us as potential customers. So the depth of the market, I think, for surveillance is highly global, but it's going down to a local level of the need for the data.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd McAndrew, you mentioned the government customers, but I think earlier, right at the intro, you mentioned that you started to hear from insurance companies as well, right? Are those some of the examples of enterprise customers or...
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes. I mean, I think the best example to give is you look at coastal communities all throughout the Western United States. There's a lot of high dollar value homes all along the coast. You look at all the Rocky Mountain communities where a lot of homes have been built over the last couple of decades, and the insurance companies have hundreds of billions of dollars of exposure to all these assets, and they're very interested in understanding what's going on, on a real-time basis and what can be done to help their customers out and what changes have been occurring over time around where they're insuring these assets. And I think it's one of the obvious reasons why you're seeing wildfire insurance rates just go up on an annual basis every single year.
Austin Moeller
attendeeThat's a great point. Peter, can you talk about Spire's business relationship with OroraTech and the satellites that have been built for them within the space services business?
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes, 100%. So one of the things that we're really excited about is allowing more and more companies to leverage the deep infrastructure experience and expertise and IP of Spire to deploy their sensors rapidly, cost effectively and build their business. And OroraTech is a brilliant company that has developed a space-based census for wildfire detection and then additional modeling on top of that data to help with wildfire management and prediction and detection. And that really complements well with the weather prediction capabilities of Spire as well as some of the other modalities from Spire satellites, like, for example, soil moisture and that has a huge impact there as well. And so OroraTech leverage the space infrastructure by providing their sensor to Spire who then takes care of the integration of that sensor into a spacecraft, the launch, the licensing, the operation of that sensor and then provides OroraTech with a simple API that gives them full control over the sensor and the full data stream that they then can either further process or sell to their customers, either directly or in combination with other data sets, like, for example, the weather prediction data sets of Spire. And it's just one of a number of customers that are tackling extreme weather events and general environmental concerns, leveraging the Spire infrastructure for deploying their capabilities and their business model rapidly and cost effectively.
Austin Moeller
attendeeExcellent. So would you describe that as part of the portfolio of the picks and shovels model within space services and how you're able to provide multiple capabilities, modalities, different customers?
Peter Platzer
attendeeThat's 100% correct. It's a very typical application. I think it's an application that is very, very dear to our heart. As you know, Spire was founded on the belief and the mission to tackle 2 generational challenges that we believe will be facing humanity in the century, global security, another 1 being climate change, and that is something that we share with OroraTech from a mission perspective, very, very deeply as well as a number of other companies that as you trademark, Austin Moeller, picks and shovel from our space services, use that to deploy their business model.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAwesome. That's really exciting. McAndrew, can you go into detail about the types of aircraft that you're using in your fleet for surveillance of the wildfires versus suppression of the wildfires? And then on the surveillance side, the types of sensors you host on board for detection.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveSure, I'm going to share a screen because it's going to be a lot easier to look at some pictures real quickly to go over these assets. So if everyone can see that, the first line we're looking at here is the CL-415 super scooper. It's a purpose-built aircraft that we have 6 of in the U.S., and we're retrofitting 4 of them in Europe through our partnership with Marathon and Avenue. And these are the most effective aircraft at putting out fires in the world. It's an old technology, but it's got brand-new engines, brand new avionics. It can fly 8 hours a day, drop 100,000 gallons a day. Land on the surface of a lake for just a couple of seconds and then continue to keep putting water on the fire for the entirety of a day. So when these things operate as a fleet, they're very effective assets at putting large fires out pretty quickly. And we've helped shift a lot of the federal agencies into this initial attack mode of using these assets to get these fires out fast. On the surveillance side of the equation, we have a very specific aircraft that we've custom modified. It's PC-12 but it's got electro optic sensor packages on it that provide extremely high resolution, infrared imaging, real-time full motion video and Internet downlink of all the data that's processed on board with its own workstation. And what it allows us to do is see wildfires and heat signatures in real time up to 40 nautical miles. We've got 2 of these flying for the Department of Interior on a long-term contract. And then we've got quite a backlog building now of interest for more of these MMA assets around the U.S. and in Europe. And here are a couple of pictures of kind of what you can see with these planes. And you can see, obviously, why it's so important. You can use them to pick up the heat signatures before fires become too big. You can see gas leaks with these planes, and then you can use them to direct the traffic over fire so that we can actually direct where the scoopers can most effectively put out the front side of the fires. So this is a brand-new asset. It took us about 2 years to develop. We use technology that we built and developed at a said vision and have now integrated these into the aircraft. And as I said, I think there's demand for this asset all around the world. I'm going to [ stop ] share with that.
Austin Moeller
attendeeYes, that's really cool. Great to see all the different optical instruments on there. Peter, can you talk about -- actually, we have an announcement today that you just completed a successful launch with North Star. So I figured you utilized the opportunity just to talk about that briefly.
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes. I mean another very, very important environment is, of course, space. I do admit that it is dear to our heart as one of the big global comments and monitoring space and the activities that are happening in space or as it's called space situation awareness is becoming a big task. But again, thankfully, you're seeing a lot of increased interest across the world and North Star, similar to OroraTech is using Spire's platforms, Spire's bias picks and shovels to deploy their capabilities rapidly and effectively. So they have sensors and analytics capabilities to monitor activity on orbit, space situation awareness and they are deploying them on this fire infrastructure. And thanks to a great collaboration with Rocket Lab today, these assets were launched into orbit successfully and we'll start deploying and offering their service very, very quickly here to both commercial and governmental customers from all across the world.
Austin Moeller
attendeeExcellent. Just back to McAndrew, can you talk a little bit more about the Super Scoopers from the perspective of those assets being portable and how you can move them to other geographies depending on where the fire season has the most demand?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveSure. I mean, Austin, last summer was a really good example. The fire started early in Nova Scotia. I know you're in New York a lot and the skies of New York in early June were covered in smoke and people all over the world saw that. While that was going on, our planes were in Nova Scotia fighting those fires. And then as they progress, we moved them into Quebec ended up fighting fires all the way across Canada throughout the course of the summer, ended up in British Columbia for a large part of the summer and then move back into the United States. And we haven't yet taken them over the Atlantic or over the Pacific, only because we have long-term contracts that dictate that we should -- we need to keep them in the U.S. and North America during the fire season here, but we have a whole separate feet of fleet scoopers that we're now working on to contract it in the EU. So the easy answer is they're very portable because they're planes, but most of the customers want to keep them in one place for the duration of the fire season.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd is it hard if you wanted to, to move some of the North American planes over to Europe? Does that just require a few stops for refuel or...
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes, it will require about 3 stops. We can get them over going the northern route. We can get them to Europe. Getting them to Australia, where there's a lot of wildfires is a lot more complicated. You got to do a lot of island hopping and we've had a lot of inquiry from South America as well. And that's a little simpler because you can fly down the Spire of South America as you refuel, but I mean, they're globally portable assets.
Austin Moeller
attendeeYes, that's really cool. Peter, if we talk about the LEMUR constellation and everyone can see the satellite they're behind you in low Earth orbit. But how can onboard processing and AI help your constellation and your software to more rapidly predict, attack and model inclement weather activity as it happens over time?
Peter Platzer
attendeeI think that there is a very, very big application. And one of the reasons that Spire, I believe, was the first company to deploy a supercomputer and one also particularly geared to its AI and machine learning and deep learning models into orbit a number of years ago. Because what it allows you to do is that spacecraft that collect massive amounts of data rather than having then to send them down, which trace already some latency and then do some processing on the ground, the spacecraft can actually on orbit directly analyze the data and then make decisions. For example, informing our customers on the ground directly about what is happening or what might be a potentially advisable course of action. And that capability of onboard processing gets them augmented when you start to connect spacecraft through inter-satellite links so that multiple streams of data and multiple collection points can be combined into one analysis on the ground. So you're really replicating the data center on the ground that is collecting data for multiple assets and then coming up with an analysis. You're replicating it on orbit, taking away the whole latency of sending the data down to the ground and doing it right on orbit. Decreasing the demand on your data downlink, which means you can download information and decision support right away and potentially download it right away to the area in demand. So for example, you could put something right next to a customer as in the case for OroraTech, I believe, there's download capabilities at close or at very, very important customer sites to take the data directly to them so that they can operate faster.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd McAndrew, can you talk a little bit about Bridger's fire track app and how people are able to use that to get real-time data?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes, I'm going to share my screen again here because we recently acquired Ignis Technologies in the fall of last year, and it's going to be a lot easier to just show you kind of how Ignis works. Ignis is a mobile application that allows firefighters in the field to see the real-time information that we're collecting with our aircraft as well as processing some satellite inventory. And the technology they're using today is really the same technology they've been using for the last 20 years. They get a printed packet of PDF paper every day, which is the fire information from days before they're communicating on analog radios, and they're looking at basic weather applications that everyone has access to. And so what we've developed is an application that allows a real-time incident dashboard with all the information for a fire, all the radio frequencies, all the different aircraft, everyone who's on a fire can have access to this information in one place which speeds up the information transfer dramatically. You've got dynamic real-time maps and then all of the information that we've collected is then put into this map, into an integrated map. So they've got real-time imagery to then be able to make decisions about the fire and communicate as a group together. So a lot of different types of customers are now interested in using this. I mean, municipal fire agencies, federal firefighting agencies, all the different organizations that manage disaster response, what we're seeing is a collective integration of all this information across all the various agencies in the United States have a use for this particular technology. So that is what we've built with our fire track Ignis application, and it's in the process of being rolled out right now to various fire management organizations in the U.S.
Austin Moeller
attendeeYes. Wow, that's really impressive. I mean, like I'm sure you saw the movie only the brave about the Grand Mountain Hotshots wasn't part of the problem at the end of the movie that they had not good intelligence on how the fire had changed and really the value proposition there with your app as you can provide them with real-time intelligence about what's happening?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveThat's exactly it. Austin, yes, I mean that's what happened, and that's what has continued to happen because the data is not real time. So between what the data Peter is collecting and what we're collecting, if we can integrate all this and provide it to the firefighters on the ground, you're going to save a lot of lives. And had we had something like this in Hawaii last summer, I think it will change the situation dramatically.
Austin Moeller
attendeeYes, definitely an incredible value proposition there for the merchant -- the first responders on the ground. Peter, can you discuss the contract structure within Space services and how it operates as a subscription model and what the margin profile looks on that relative to other space contracting models, which are usually like a firm fixed price contract?
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes. So the customer pays a generally monthly subscription, and in return Spire receives an API, which gives her access to the data from the proprietary sensor of the customer and access to the sensor to like do uploads and change the sensor, how it operates and stuff like that. They tend to be longer-term contracts and allow the customer to take advantage of the full expertise Spire in space. Today, we have over 600 years of space heritage and our technology managing a substantial fleet, the fourth largest fleet -- commercial fleet in the world, the largest multipurpose fleet in the world. And so the customer can really focus just on the business model. From a margin perspective for Spire, it's like the same as all the others because at the core of it, it is a data business. Now the only difference is that it's a data business based on a proprietary sensor from the customer. So it is proprietary data that they want to the customer versus a data business of data from Spire. But other than that, it is leveraging a shared infrastructure. It is leveraging the combined expertise of Spire. And so the underlying margin structure is actually exactly the same. Think of it really as Amazon AWS, where there is a shared infrastructure that Amazon uses to run its own business as well as renting out the infrastructure and their whole IP technology stack, experience, expertise, resilience, reliability for their customers. That's exactly what Spire is doing given that we have this enormous expertise when it comes to running constellation of small satellite assets in orbit now for a very long period of time.
Austin Moeller
attendeeThat's great. McAndrew, you talk about the training and recertification refurbishment period for your aircraft at sort of in this Q4, Q1 period and the time involved?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes, sure. Unlike commercial or private aircraft, I mean, these planes fly very hard for 6 to 9 months a year and they need 3 to 4 months of just maintenance upgrade, full C checks during the winter months. So basically, the entirety of our fleet right now is undergoing maintenance. Our 2 MMA planes will start flying in early this winter, but the scoopers come out of maintenance kind of March, April time frame and be ready for fire -- for the beginning of the fire season. So we need that downtime to get the maintenance done in the right way for the customer, all those assets. And on the surveillance asset, they need less maintenance only because they're all effectively brand-new aircraft. They do fly more regularly, and they can fly more hours than the scooper without maintenance. And on the training side, we're basically -- it's just a constant training process with all the pilots. They go to specific training facilities in Italy, Canada to train on the scoopers and they can easily train on the Polaris and Kodiak aircraft throughout various training centers in the U.S., and we have our own flight simulator facility in Boston in our base of Montana.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd McAndrew, just on the pilots, have you experienced or where are you sourcing your pilots from? And have you had issues with the pilot shortage like many other air carriers have?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveI mean the pilot shortage is very real. So I mean, anyone who operates aircraft knows that. And so we've sourced a lot of pilots that are ex-military pilots. I mean it's a very specific task that we're asking people to do, flying over fire at low altitude and smoke is not the same as flying a commercial jet aircraft. So -- we actually rarely source out of the commercial pilot pool, and it's a lot more like bush pilots and ex-military pilots that work for us. And then we put them through a specific training program on our assets.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd hasn't the CEO, Tim Sheehy also flown some of those sorties?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveHe does. He actively flies all the aircraft with the pilots, including the fire suppression missions.
Austin Moeller
attendeeYes. That's awesome. Peter, how do you see AI being used to assist customers looking to extract insights from raw data and transforming it into smart data over the next decade? And do you believe quantum computing will end up playing a significant role in that?
Peter Platzer
attendeeSo I think those are 2 similar questions, but I look at them actually quite distinct. I think the emergence of more sophisticated technologies to extract value from raw data, you mentioned AI, deep learning, machine learning are really holding in a new era of the value of art to get proprietary data. I would say never before has vast amounts of data actually being survaluable because those technologies are very, very data hungry. But in return, they can unlock value from this amount of data that otherwise would not be possible at all. I sometimes compare this to the abilities of the Romans to extract gold from the earth versus the ability of modern gold companies being able to extract gold from the earth. The very same deposit today is just so much more valuable and delivering gold than the same deposit would have been 2,000 years ago under the Romans. And the same is true with technologies like AI, machine learning and deep learning. So I think that they are hugely important, and they will drive a lot of additional value created for our customers by the great ability of data that, for example, McAndrew or recollect from our assets and pull that into models that analyze them and then provide insights and decision support for the customers. Now I think quantum computing is a slightly separate technology that also will have huge impacts. Quantum computing is very, very good in collapsing from many, many possibilities and looking at them simultaneously and then selecting the best one out of it. So optimization problems can potentially use those technologies very, very effectively and efficiently. I do think that quantum computing will be highly relevant, in particular when it comes to global security. I do believe that there is a bit of a race going on between quantum computing on one side and quantum key encryption on the other side. And if someone had a highly capable quantum computer today, they could unlock not just the security protocols or, let's say, everything is happening on the Internet today, but they could also go back in history and unlock everything that has happened in the past. They do think it's a highly important technology. And I do think that, that space will play an important part in that race maybe not on the quantum computer side, but it will play, I think, a very important part on the quantum key encryption and quantum key distribution side are taking advantage of the location and environment of space.
Austin Moeller
attendeeGreat answer. Thanks for all the great details there. Back to McAndrew, has Bridger considered using drones for the surveillance of wildfires as well? I know, I mean, the lower altitude you get to the reference point, you'll be able to capture higher quality data.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes, Austin, it's a great question. And I think in theory, it could work really well. We have used drones in the past is the simple answer. What we've determined is we're getting better data collection and we're getting better precision and better pricing really of flying the fleet of modified PC-12s with the sensors on board those versus the cost to acquire the type of drones that we need to fly over the fire. It's probably 2.5x what it costs to build a modified PC-12 plus you didn't have to operate a very specific fleet of pilots to manage those drones. And the customers, for whatever reason, because it's an unmanned aircraft, don't want to pay as much for the drone as they do for the plane and you end up getting better data with less capital cost on the aircraft. So simple answer is, we've tried drones. We think as a business model, it doesn't work yet because it means you need so many drones deployed simultaneously to make the business model worthwhile that you just made better margins flying the aircraft than you do flying the drones and manning all the people that you need to actually run a drone fleet. And people forget that you still need those pilots flying those drones, they are just sitting at a facility somewhere and you need actually a lot more of them to run the drone fleet than you do to run the actual planes.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd like the types of drones you were using before looking at using, would that be a high endurance surveillance aircraft like a General Atomics Gray Eagle? Or is that sort of what we're looking at?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveI mean that would be the next step. I think if we went with drones was to use a General Atomics type aircraft. But the cost of those planes is obviously -- or those drones is very high relative to -- I mean, we were working with some custom Boeing developed drones. But the problems that we found, generally, we're just -- any mechanical problem with the drone is very expensive to fix. You've got a lot of maintenance CapEx associated with it. It's a whole separate training cycle for all the personnel. It's really a very different business than the business that we're currently in and requires a whole different suite of technicians and staffing. And the demand actually isn't there right now from the government customers. They really -- they love the aircraft with the electro-optic sensors on and they want the suppression. They want the fires out is the bottom line. And so whatever you can do that's most efficient to do that, they're willing to pay for it. But they're not willing to pay for high altitude overwatch because they can buy that data from Peter now.
Austin Moeller
attendeeI think that's exactly right.
Peter Platzer
attendeeI'm sorry, if I just -- if we just were to like responded, I think if I put myself in the shoes of someone who has to deal with fires, I'm going to be just about in love with McAndrew and the technology that he provides from the app to the aircraft that takes a fire out. Providing high temporal resolution coverage of early detection of fires day and night over vast areas. I mean Canada is what is the -- like the second largest country in the world, I mean, it's absolutely massive. It's actually nontrivial for those drone assets, which, as you pointed out, generally need an operator. I think the regulatory environment is also not necessarily always the easiest to operate those and be on line of sight for long durations. And the other thing is then where exactly spacecrafts come quite in handy. They do not require an operator, in the same way they do have a very, very nice point of view. I would [indiscernible] it's literally like the high point -- the high ground from which they can observe the earth. And they provide very powerful information in terms of like an early detection and some of those sensors can look at starting fires from a size as little as 1 or 2 meters in radius. So they really can capture things quite early and then seamlessly work with the suppression services to hand over to someone, for example, like McAndrew's assets was like, hey, here's something brewing. Let's get on top of it, take one of those super scoopers and squash it before it gets to be anything bad.
Austin Moeller
attendeePeter, can you just briefly talk about your relationship with NASA and NOAA on the weather side of the business? And from what you have seen, based on the radio occultation data that's been collected worldwide, how since the LEMUR constellation was originally launched, how climate modeling and weather forecasting with those agencies improved as you build out your constellation?
Peter Platzer
attendeeSo these agencies really are charged with the protection of life and property and the particular data time that you mentioned is atmospheric temperature and moisture and has a huge impact on particularly the modeling of hurricane tracks. And for better or worse, the collection of the data is tightly linked, not necessarily to the size of a spacecraft, but it's actually linked to the number of spacecraft because it's a geography and the geometry in space that determines how many data points you can collect. And while there have been studies in the past that showcase that more data absolutely improves the accuracy, including the accuracy of extreme weather events, it just simply had not been possible. Now since the emergence of Spire, the world is now able to actually produce the thousands and tens of thousands of those measurements. And increasingly, the world has moved into claiming and proclaiming that we need at least 20,000, 25,000 of those measurements, and we believe there's going to be benefit all the way up to 100,000. So I do believe, and there have been studies document and particularly from humid sites on the European side, and that showcase that the addition of these radio application profiles has a very measurable and meaningful impact on the accuracy of the radar prediction. I think the power of the underlying Spire technology, there is that we are not just stopping at this one data type, radio occultation atmospheric temperature and moisture. We are now also collecting rains through a very related technology. We are collecting soil moisture through aviation technology. We are collecting hurricane and ocean wind speeds through an aviation technology. We are in the process of deploying atmospheric moisture to [ radiometrists ] and microwave sounders. So there is just this layer from layer from layer of weather data, all of which are unknown to have a massive impact on the forecast accuracy and that will enable those agencies whose mission it is and who are working incredibly hard every single day to protect life and property to create better services and follow the mission even more tightly than what they're able to do today.
Austin Moeller
attendeeAnd Peter, to scale the collection of the RO profiles from the constellation from 20,000 up to 100,000, is that going to be accomplished mostly through software or hardware, or a combination of both over time?
Peter Platzer
attendeeIt's a combination of it, right? So as you know, the theme that came out of my research in Space Science was that Moore's Law of space 10x performance improvement every 5 years, and we certainly have seen that in the production of radio occultation profiles for spacecraft which has followed pretty much that law. And so increasing the number of profiles produced is a combination of the further improvement of the underlying hardware, further improvements of the underlying software and, to some extent, potentially if you get into like the high hundreds and thousands and above, you would also do like a scaling of the constellation that collects that data.
Austin Moeller
attendeeMcAndrew, can you discuss how your current contracts that you have with the Department of the Interior and other agencies provide essentially coverage for changes in fuel pricing?
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveYes, that's a relatively easy one to answer because all the fuel is passed through to all of our customers and all the contracts. So there is no variable pricing on really anything on any of these contracts.
Austin Moeller
attendeeThat's great. Peter, just I think the last question here, would it benefit either using a satellite that has a radio instrument or having either a thermal or electrooptical instrument to move that from LEO into to vLEO, very-low-Earth-orbit, would there be much incremental benefit from operating at that altitude?
Peter Platzer
attendeeThere are so many things, the answer, it depends. When you lower the altitude for an electrooptical sensor, if you fly high -- half as high, you get like a double the resolution or even flight twice as high you get half of the resolution. On RF side, it generally actually goes through the square. So half as high gives you 4x the data accuracy; twice as high, gives you only a quarter of it. So the flip side of that, however, is that at your observed area shrinks proportionately as well. So your temporal revisit rate or the number of spaces that you would need to have the same temporal resolution, the same coverage would also increase because you are having your cone of observation now be cut off at about half of the height. So you lose quite a bit of observational area. The other kind of like trade-off place is that when you fly in very low earth orbit, you have substantially more friction, so you would actually need to equip your spacecraft with propulsion, which makes the operation of them a little bit less stable. Think of it like there's just -- when you walk, there's not a whole lot of things happening. But when you drive your car, you can actually move your hand in the air. And so there is just more jitter that comes complying those spacecraft potentially lower, having to fly the propulsion to keep them there. So as with almost everything in life, there's always trade-offs. There certainly are applications we are flying in very low earth orbit makes a lot of sense. It's not a panacea that solves for everything and it's something that everyone should do immediately.
Austin Moeller
attendeeMakes perfect sense. There's puts and takes to either option. So I think with that, we've come to the end of our chat for the day. But thank you so much, Peter and McAndrew for taking the time to just speak to our audience today about the importance of tackling the extreme weather crises around the world and the different business models to achieve that. So thank you again.
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveThanks, Austin.
Peter Platzer
attendeeYes. My pleasure, and thank you for holding this of such an important topic. And it's been a sincere honor McAndrew to be on this call with you. Just really impressive work that you and your team are doing. So thanks again all...
McAndrew Rudisill
executiveLikewise, we're very impressed with the work that Spire is doing, and it's been great to meet you on this webcast. So Austin, thank you for hosting it for us.
Austin Moeller
attendeeThank you.
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