Brixmor Property Group Inc. (BRX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 15, 2026

NYSE US Real Estate Retail REITs conference_presentation 32 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Samir Khanal

analyst
#1

Why don't we get started? So this is the first panel for me here. Welcome to the Brixmor Roundtable. Happy to have Brian Finnegan with us this morning, who's the CEO of the company. Brian, why don't you -- I mean we have a big group here, maybe introduce the team and maybe provide some opening remarks.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#2

Yes, sure. Samir, thanks for having us. Good seeing all of you today. Joining with me here are Mark Horgan, our Chief Investment Officer; Steve Gallagher, our Chief Financial Officer; and Stacy Slater, our Head of Capital Markets, IR and Strategy. Thanks again for being here today. Look, from our standpoint, I mean, the strategy continues to be accretive reinvestment in our portfolio. Really, my focus for the last 18 months in coming into the seat is not a shift in the strategy. We spent 10 years transforming the portfolio. It's really to accelerate everything that we've been doing. It's been a tremendous environment for open-air retail. Our retailers are performing. Traffic continues to go up at our shopping centers and across the sector. But in particular, the work that we've done to our portfolio has really allowed us to capitalize on that environment. We're signing rents at the highest level that we ever have. We continue to deliver growth at the top of the sector, and we're delivering that more efficiently with lower CapEx with retailers taking on more of that work. And what we show all of you is the visibility on that growth that's really unparalleled in what we own and control today. We're not banking on external growth to grow. We have a signed but not commenced pipeline of $70 million that's contractually obligated. It's been around that level for the past couple of years because we continue to backfill it as we've been commencing $15 million to $20 million a quarter. So as we look out, our plan is to continue to do what we can to accelerate that. We've invested $1.5 billion in the portfolio to date, but we're even more excited about the opportunity set that we have going forward. We've got $1 billion in reinvestment just in our active and future pipelines that we show all of you projects like the half a dozen that we have with Publix in Florida, things like in Metro New York, suburban Philadelphia, suburban Houston as well. So the pipeline continues to be strong. And then while external growth is really additive to what we do, we have found opportunities to put the platform to work. About half -- close to half the acquisition activity that we've done as a public company has been in the last 2 years. And there's a common theme across all of those acquisitions in that they have a growth profile that aligns with the growth profile of the portfolio that we have today, and they're in markets that we know very well. So we're very excited about what we see within the space in terms of how our tenants continue to perform, but even more excited about how we're positioned to capitalize on that going forward.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#3

I mean you mentioned after coming into the role and you talked about accelerating kind of everything you've done here. Maybe diving into that a little bit, maybe where do you find the biggest opportunity to improve the business?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#4

I think it is that, Samir, if you look at where we've kind of taken rents in a couple of different ways. So just in operations alone, we've taken rents from $12.50 to $19 across the portfolio. We're signing those at $25 today. We're at 3 years running of renewal growth that's in the mid-teens. So our retailers are able to pay higher rents because they're performing in our shopping centers. So we think there's continued room to run there from just a rent growth perspective in the existing portfolio. And it's really continuing to capitalize on that, whether that's the 3.5 million square feet of space that's expiring, anchor space in the next 3 years that we control at rents that are $11, and we're signing those at 18 or whether that's in our existing bumps in the portfolio, which were a record at 2.8%. So that's in the initial operation to continue to drive rate in the portfolio and do that more efficiently. I mentioned reinvestment. So getting those projects started, we've been delivering larger projects across the country recently. So you think about Davis, California, Block 59 in suburban Chicago, or in Orlando, the projects that we have in suburban Philadelphia, bringing those forward and getting those commenced. So you will see us start to bring a number of those public projects online next year and in the years to follow. You should expect a steady cadence of that future reinvestment pipeline coming on to the active pipeline as well. And then an area that I'm sure we'll touch on, we have been very forward-thinking in terms of our deployment of technology. And for us, it's very result-oriented. What's the time that we're saving, what's the value that we're creating. And I mentioned a few things in our first earnings call earlier in the year, areas like legal leasing, things that Mark is doing in terms of tenant under -- or property underwriting as we're looking at acquisitions and then tenant health across the portfolio, which we're seeing even more improvement there as well. So that's been a big focus for us.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#5

This is more of the AI and sort of data.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#6

I'd say AI and data across the portfolio.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#7

And you're seeing results.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#8

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, look, we cut our outside legal expenses in half. And if you think about the time it takes to review a lease, right, the time it takes to dig into a lease clause to figure out what you need to do to reinvest in that. we've shaved that time down dramatically. So one of the things we measure is time to open from when we have that first conversation to when we get those tenants open. We've cut our time in legal by 15% over the past 2 years. So that's something where we're seeing real tangible efforts. And so if you're able to take that time and have that individual now work on a few more leases, just think of how many days of rent you're able to pull forward.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#9

What about on the underwriting front as you think about acquisitions from a technology perspective?

Mark Horgan

executive
#10

It's 2 things. It's speed. It's allowing you to get through the data much quicker. So if we get an inbound from a broker, we can get into our model and compare it to our existing portfolio that used to take a day or 2 from an analyst. It's kind of done in 10 minutes, and you can kind of rank your sales performance against the entire portfolio is much, much faster. The other piece, as Brian mentioned, it's a cost perspective as well. So we were cutting about $50,000 out of every acquisition just from a legal perspective. And so we're getting that work done cheaper and faster, which has been great.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#11

Maybe just shifting to the consumer. There's been a lot of conversation on the macro. Talk about -- I know you briefly touched on kind of traffic and tenant sales, but kind of talk to us kind of the trends you're seeing you saw through the summer. Any changes in tone from retailer conversations that you've seen over the last few weeks or several months here?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#12

We remain very encouraged. I mean if you look at our back-to-school traffic was up significantly over last year. We've been up in traffic every month this year. Interestingly, our back-to-college traffic, we have a great college town portfolio. So where we were seeing, call it, 3% to 4% growth year-over-year, we saw 8% growth in Ann Arbor, Michigan. We saw high single-digit growth in the centers of Texas A&M. So we have about 10% of the portfolio in college towns, and we saw significant growth there. I'd say we're seeing the consumer be maybe more intentional with their spend. I think across the income spectrum, they're looking for value. You heard that on a number of the earnings calls with the off-price tenants. I think they're still spending on health and wellness and health and beauty. So you heard that from Ulta. You heard it from a number of the fitness tenants as well. And then I think there has been -- I mean, there's kind of a mixed bag, I think, on some of the grocery results across the board. But if you think about the traditional grocers that went several years without opening new stores like Kroger invested millions of dollars in that fleet and who we've been growing with on the specialty side like Sprouts and Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, we're still seeing strong demand there. So I think from our standpoint, we do have -- we serve 2 customers, right? We serve our retailers and then we serve the customers that shop at our centers. But from a retailer perspective, when they're making 10-year decisions and they're looking at various economic cycles during those 10 years, they're doing that today with more data than they've ever had on those consumers to make those stores as productive as possible. How much in a given -- in an environment are they shipping from that store? How much is getting picked up and being able to connect with the consumer wherever the consumer wants to meet them is important. So I do think the consumer is being intentional with their spend. You certainly heard that from a number of retailers, but they've been incredibly resilient.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#13

Anything on the -- look, I mean, obviously, the watch list, right? As we think about the back half of this year and into next year, I mean, there's been -- you've heard grocery earnings here, right? It's been -- whether it's Kroger or some of those reports. I mean, how do you think about the watch list going into kind of the next 12 to 18 months here?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#14

I would say the underlying tenancy of this portfolio, the healthiest is the healthiest it's ever been. And I'd ask anybody in the room to compare our top 20 from 5 years ago to where it sits today. And what you'd see in the top tenancy is growth from Trader Joe's, you'd see growth from Sprouts, growth from Barnes & Noble, growth from Publix and look at those operators that have left. So I think as you think about categories that could be closing stores, right, we expect drug stores to continue to marginalize their store base. It's 80 basis points of our rent. And even the nature of that exposure for us, they're generally older in-line locations. Think of the former Eckerd or the former Longs in California, filling those spaces with Trader Joe's and Ulta. We've leased every one of our Rite Aids and we got back over 2 years. Office supply will continue to close stores. We cut that exposure in half. We've been signing the bulk of the off-price deals that we've been doing have been in a number of those boxes at rent spreads from 40% to 50%. I do think you'll see them potentially slow down because they've almost closed too many stores. They're not certainly not going to open new ones and then you look at the rest of the exposure. It has been a good summer for movie theaters, but it's 1% of our rent. I think we've invested in a new theater in 7 years. But I think overall, the health of the portfolio, even on that small shop tenancy, the signatures that we were able to get on those leases over the past 5 years have dramatically improved from where they were pre-pandemic. And you see that coming through in the bad debt trends. You see that coming through in the move-out trends. You see that coming through in those retention rates as well. So we feel pretty good about the watch list going forward. I think there are always inevitably some categories that will close stores, but just leave you with the health of the tenancy is as strong as it's ever been in the portfolio.

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

And I think look to the retailers, their reports have been very strong, right? So even where you may have some stock price performance, that is different than ultimately the sales that they're generating from the actual locations and how they're growing their store fleet. So I think sometimes don't always focus on what an individual stock is doing, really look at what they're doing at the stores.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#16

And I know you guys recaptured some space in the second quarter. Maybe give us an update kind of where you are with that space.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#17

Yes. I think one of the reasons we wanted to signal that we potentially see some occupancy noise in the second quarter was that things have been really good. And I think folks are pointing at any potential negatives. And part of our strategy is going to continue to be capturing the value in undermarket space. Just the nature of the roll this quarter, we expected to take some space back specifically on reinvestment assets in North Jersey and Orlando. We knew it was going to come through. It came through, and we had a handful of the Painted tree boxes that we took back and still only had a 30 basis point dip, also raised guidance during the quarter as well. So you didn't see it impact us in terms of our growth rate for the year. The boxes that we did take back are effectively all leased. At this point, both with[ Ren and with the Pantry], again, with off-price operators, with health and wellness operators. So that positions us for even a better looking forward in terms of the improved rent and the improved traffic on those, getting those backfilled pretty quickly. We don't give occupancy guidance because there are going to be times you saw our term fees pick up last year, and they're a little bit elevated this year where we're going to take space back in an environment like this, sometimes get paid to do it. But we do expect occupancy to get back on a growth trajectory in the back half of the year.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#18

Right, right. So it sounds like I think during the second quarter earnings, you said that there was 6 of the 8, right, boxes you had taken back were had been.

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

Yes, effectively, and we're effectively like signed or at leased on all of them.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#20

And the rents were up like 40%...

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

Yes.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#22

And I think that's like just a good window in terms of the supply environment. Like back to what we're hearing from retailers, we're hearing that there's not enough good boxes in great shopping centers. And that's why you're seeing when there are some level of vacancies in boxes like that, that's why they're getting absorbed very quickly. And they're getting absorbed quickly with tenants that are driving traffic and continuing to produce in their stores.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#23

You hit a record of like, I think it was $70 million of ABR as you look at SNO pipeline, right? Help us understand kind of the rent commencement of that? And when does that sort of hit the financials as we think for the next 12 months?

Unknown Executive

executive
#24

Yes. We expect about $30 million to hit the remainder of the year. And then as you look into next year, the vast majority of that should hit into '27. And just like we've talked about consistently over the last couple of years, that stacking of rent commencement really gives us the visibility into growth like you're seeing in '26 with the midpoint of our same-property NOI being at 5.25%. But also as you go into '27 and then additionally into '28, you'll see that continued stacking rent commencements at pipeline. I think importantly, the rents in place on them are about 25% higher than our in-place rents that we see across the portfolio.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#25

I think the other thing that is helpful, just seeing that visibility and the size of that pipeline, I'd point to 2 things. It has remained in kind of that $60 million to $70 million range for some time. That's because as we've been commencing, call it, $15 million to $20 million a quarter, we've been backfilling that with new leasing. I think the other thing that maybe historically was a knock on the portfolio is, well, what's coming out the back door, right? Well, we have small shop move-outs that are record lows for the portfolio, retention rate that's nearing all-time highs. So from just a move-out trend perspective, you're seeing much more of that growth being additive going forward. with, again, the tenancy being as healthy as it's ever been and continuing those strong retention rate trends.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#26

On the leasing side, I mean, you've hit -- it seems like every quarter is a record for small shop leasing and occupancy, right? Like what's the kind of the -- where can you take shop occupancy you think at this point?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#27

So we continue to take it higher. If you were to look at that future reinvestment pipeline, the 60-or some-odd projects that are on there today, they trail portfolio average by about 400 basis points. So if you were to ask where some of the nonstructural vacancy is, right, it's there. So call it, is that 100, is that 150 basis points. We also have spreads. So back to that SNO perspective, there's a 400 basis point spread in terms of that small shop occupancy coming online that's obligated and baked -- right? So that's visibility on growth. And then overall, is it probably a similar volume. We're 80 basis points below prior peak occupancy. That's by no means a cap on the portfolio. So if you figure another 50 to 100 basis points on top of that.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#28

Brian, you mentioned in your remarks, doing what you can to accelerate the SNO. Can you just talk about what levers you're able to pull to maybe bring forward some of that commencement and how time lines have been trending?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#29

Sure, sure. I mentioned first on the legal side. So it's cutting down the time that we're lease. So you'll hear coming up, I mean, we had a number of anchor tenant deals that we got signed in under a month, right? We're setting kind of back to setting new records in our time with our off-price operators who we're doing a lot with, getting that time frame down, we used to take, call it, 4 to 6 months is now taking 1 to 3. So that's number one. Number two, retailers have been much more willing to take on the work and take on existing conditions themselves. So basically, what that allows us to do is give possession sooner, right? And it allows us to -- it's obviously cheaper for us to do it and allows them to get open a lot quicker. There are also times, and we just did this in Westchester County, where we're doing tiered delivery schedules. And what I mean by that is we'll get a certain amount of work done so that the retailer can get in and start and then come back and maybe do the parking lot or maybe do the loading dock after that where we are doing some work. And then also where we do have these partnerships, we're willing to go at risk in terms of the entitlement spend because the tenant's got a committee-approved deal and we know they're going to move forward. So it's the relationships that we have with municipalities in certain jurisdictions that we're able to get that work started faster. And all of that added is combined is allowing us to start to pull some of these dates up. And then the constant look at the portfolio with somebody like Publix, if you'll notice, -- we added 2 new Publix centers to the active pipeline last quarter, not like we bought those shopping centers, but we're constantly in front of these retailers understanding if they've had shifts in a market. We're doing one of their first new prototypical redemises in suburban Atlanta. It's an area where typically they're tearing down stores in Florida. And as they start to get stores on a vintage of 25, 30, 35 years in the Carolinas, and it's just not as advantageous for us to tear those locations down because those sales may go to a competitor versus going to some of their other stores in Florida. So they're testing out the first one with us. So there could be another pipeline there as well. So it's also constantly in front of tenants and understanding where they may not be willing to pursue a reinvestment in the portfolio.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#30

I'll just pause for a second. I don't know if there's any questions from the audience. Okay. On -- I just wanted to switch to external growth here. You've been active in acquisitions in the second quarter. Maybe give us an update of kind of what you're seeing on the transaction market side, right? A lot of capital entering the space. Talk about pricing and talk about your ability to find acquisitions that sort of meet your return thresholds here.

Unknown Executive

executive
#31

You want to take that one?

Mark Horgan

executive
#32

Sure. So you're absolutely right. We're seeing -- as we've been talking about for a couple of years, we're seeing the return of pension fund capital, core capital back into retail. And when we talk to that capital like why are you coming into our space, you told us for years it was an investment business for you. They're kind of coming back to us as they compare open-air retail to the other major food groups kind of putting aside the technology type sectors, they're saying this is the most investable sector for them today. It underwrites the best based on everything that Brian has been describing with the tenancy with the lack of supply. They think the returns are there. What is happening is that they are driving cap rate across basically every asset type, grocery, power center, unanchored lease. So that's been interesting on one hand, so we can take advantage of that when we're selling some assets at prices that we're very surprised about. From a cap rate perspective, what that means is you're seeing folks price even power centers below 6 in certain cases, which was somewhat surprising in our opinion. And you're seeing core grocery price in that mid-5s and you're just seeing really big bid list. So how can we compete in that market? I step back and say we're not depending upon external growth to grow earnings here. We really have we lay out in our investor deck that we don't require earnings -- external growth to drive earnings. It should be adding we're doing. So our ability to find those deals are really going through our existing footprint or portfolio and developing the relationships with the families that we want to buy assets from. So the deal we bought in College Station, Texas last quarter, that's the deal we've been chasing since 2018. We wanted to buy it. We knew exactly what we were going to do with it. It came with a very significant value-added opportunity with outparcel development that they've kind of put in all the infrastructure for, but we're going to be able to tenants and really, really cost efficiently. So that's where we're going to find opportunities. But again, since we're not really reliant upon external growth to drive earnings, it's something that's always going to be very opportunistic for us despite being a very strong capital markets today for retail.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#33

And what's been interesting to me just to add on what Mark said, despite the uptick in rates, you're still seeing significant demand, and we haven't seen really cap rates widen. If anything, we've seen them tighten in markets that you may be a bit surprised in college markets in the Southeast, for example.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#34

And what is that spread? I mean, I know you said power centers below 6, but that's only selected power centers, right?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#35

I mean not necessarily. I mean, the centers in Greensboro, North Carolina, right? That center is in Columbia, South Carolina. And so I think what you're seeing is you still get -- it's an asset class where you can get positive leverage go ahead.

Mark Horgan

executive
#36

Positive leverage, but it's not every power center, we are seeing cap rate compression across the entire quality spectrum in that space. And why are investors, I think, driving to that space because they're seeing the same thing we see. Those rents were set 25 years ago. There is real true rent spread. There's really great tenant demand centers. Certain investors said, great, I want to lean into that because I'm seeing the public guys have been doing. That's the exposure I want to get to. So I think they really are coming to where we are that we're going to see good rent growth from older leases. Rent basis really matters. And I think that's where you're seeing some folks lean into that.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#37

And I think opportunistically, too, we no longer have the noncore overhang of the portfolio. There's not a, hey, what do you need to sell? As any prudent capital allocator, you'd expect us to take advantage of opportunistic sales where we've maximized NOI -- and so selling grocery-anchored locations where in Houston, Texas, where grocer may not be reinvesting heavily in those stores that we're getting mid-6 caps on, right, smaller grocers in Kansas City on a site where we didn't see a significant amount of growth getting a low 6 cap on and being able to recycle that into capital in places like suburban Denver and Southern California and like Mark mentioned, in College Station, where we see compelling growth profiles, we're doing that pretty accretively.

Mark Horgan

executive
#38

Yes. And actually is a really good point, Brian. We're seeing that historically, you've seen folks just invest in certain core markets given the pricing we've seen in like the Southeast and Southern California, Texas. We've seen some major investors move out into the Midwest searching for yield and compressing pricing even in the Midwestern assets. It's been a very healthy market.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#39

And I know one of the deals you did also used OP units for acquisition. I mean, I guess just stepping back, how meaningful of a tool is this going forward? And does this sort of open up sellers you couldn't potentially reach before?

Mark Horgan

executive
#40

I think there are a couple of important takeaways. One, I think you'd asked us or if you ask an investor 7 years ago, if they take OP some Brixmor, it's not something they would have gone to. So I think it's important on the platform that have private investors saying, I want the exposure to your platform going forward for family. There is going to be a change of ownership as long-term owners of these assets seek to figure out what their tax plan over the next 10 years. So we think it's an interesting opportunity set. Those deals take a very long time. So we're in discussions with families pretty much constantly on those opportunities. They do tend to be a very emotional discussion because it's kind of a life event discussion they're having. So while we're having those discussions real time, they can play out over years...

Samir Khanal

analyst
#41

Anything as it relates to the disposition pipeline? Because given you've talked about the cap rates being pretty low here in certain cases, would you accelerate your sort of dispositions and maybe try to...

Brian Finnegan

executive
#42

Again, for us, it's more of strategically, Samir, where have we maximized value and is it time to recycle the capital versus saying, hey, there's a portfolio here that we want to exit. I mean we have curated the portfolio over time. We're in the markets that we want to be in. We're clustered in those markets. And so for us, it's where we do have some pockets, and you can look at the map where you'd say, wait a second, there's only 1 or 2 assets there. We're okay, are we in a position where we maximized value there so we can recycle the capital. So expect us to do that, and we're encouraged by what we see in the environment to get some attractive pricing on those when we do.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#43

What about in terms of acquisition? I mean, there's some bigger portfolios out there, right, right now? I mean how -- I mean what's sort of the interest level at this point?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#44

I'll let Mark take it. We think of it the same way we've looked at any acquisition. It's ultimately is what we're adding complementary to the growth profile and the business strategy of the company. And we've looked at -- and I would think investors would expect us to look at other opportunities that have been out there. We'll continue to look at them. To date, we haven't found them to make sense. But I think that's how we would approach them from both a growth perspective and does it align with the strategy of the company today.

Mark Horgan

executive
#45

Yes. I think, Brian, you said it well. Like we have internal growth opportunities with our redevelopment program. We're going to fund that with our free cash flow that's our first dollar out the door. As you look at bigger portfolios out there, we're going to compare them just like compare any one-off deal. Does it add value to the company? Is there a way that we can apply our platform to that portfolio to drive outsized growth. We'll look at that here to date. Heretofore, they've been hard to find. And we're going to be disciplined because we don't feel like we need to grow to grow. We need to grow to drive earnings, drive value.

Unknown Executive

executive
#46

I think importantly, we worked really hard to get our balance sheet to where it is today in the low 5x debt to EBITDA. So it's not something that we're going to give up to for any of these sort of transactions.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#47

Maybe on the balance sheet, talk about kind of in terms of expirations coming up. I know you have about $400 million that's coming up in the market next year, sort of current thoughts on timing and structure of refi there. Any color would be helpful.

Unknown Executive

executive
#48

Yes. I mean we have -- our next maturity is $400 million in March. I think as we've done -- I mean, we have all the options available to us in the capital markets, and that's really due to all the hard work we've done on the balance sheet side. So obviously, we still have 6 months to get in front of that. Our line is fully undrawn. So Stacy and I and the team will work to address that as we get a little bit closer and when there's a window that makes sense for us.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#49

In terms of maybe -- I mean, there's -- I mean, given that it's September and people are starting to look forward kind of into the next year, talk about kind of as you think about the path forward here and you think about FFO growth in the next year, talk about kind of the swing factors as we think about what gets you kind of that 5% or plus 5% FFO growth?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#50

Well, we put the long-term target out there for a reason because we wanted folks to see the embedded growth within the portfolio coming from reinvestment from rent mark-to-market from those embedded bumps, and we're still highly confident in that. And we remain very encouraged with the leasing environment. As I mentioned earlier, the tenancy is in the strongest position it's ever been. So we're excited about the growth prospects for the portfolio going forward without giving the specific guidance ranges for 2027. We continue to drive things like our specialty income as well. We continue to improve our recovery rate. So I think as we move forward, whether it's '27, '28, '29, we feel like the portfolio is well positioned to continue to drive growth.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#51

What's the biggest driver there? Is it the reinvestment pipeline?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#52

It will continue to be. It's going to continue to be our collapsing, right? If you look at that $70 million, right, and that spread between leased and built, we expect it to remain wide for a little bit as we get into next year and start to collapse as we get into the end of 2027. But the discussions that we're having with tenants today, Samir, not just for '27, I mean, the '28 openings at this point. I mean a lot of our anchors, they're still signing up deals for next year, but they're starting to look at '28 going forward. So for us, it's back to that question that we had earlier, we talked about is what we can do to accelerate and pull a lot of those things forward.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#53

Okay. Any questions?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#54

Do you think any differently maybe about that longer-term leverage target, just given where you're talking about some of these assets are trading at cap rates that seem to be really low. I mean we see if that holds or not. But like does that change the calculus at all if you look at maybe funding something with an asset sale at a really good price versus refinancing at potentially similar type of cost?

Unknown Executive

executive
#55

Yes. I think when we look at our leverage, you think about a lot of the things we've talked about and the stability of cash flows we have, low rent basis, right? So our ability in multiple market scenarios to still accretively reinvest into the portfolio, long-term leases with high credit quality tenancy just gives you -- when you look at that go-forward stream of cash flows versus 5 years ago, it's a lot more stable today than it would have been. And that's why we think sort of being in this low 5 as the growth comes on, we're still going to see that additional -- just like we've naturally delevered, you'll have that ability to naturally delever as you can. I think what you've seen maybe out of the peer group is you did see some peers go more into the 4s. And ultimately, what they're doing is now levering back up in order as they look for opportunities for growth. So I think it's a balance of how to really be in that sort of middle area. And you've seen even S&P put us on a positive outlook as they really reflects all of the hard work we've done to get to where we are today.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#56

We've got a minute or so here, and we've got a couple of rapid fire questions. So first one, if long-term rates stay higher for longer, what has the biggest impact on sector, I guess, sector earnings? Higher refinancing costs, lower transaction activity or less new supply?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#57

Less new supply.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#58

Second one, over the next 3 years, will third-party capital become a more important source of growth for public REITs than balance sheet capital, yes or no? Choose one.

Brian Finnegan

executive
#59

Yes.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#60

And the third is for your sector, will 2027 same-store NOI growth be higher, the same or lower than 2026?

Brian Finnegan

executive
#61

Higher.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#62

Great. Thanks, everybody. Appreciate the time.

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