BTB Real Estate Investment Trust (BTBUN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 10, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood morning. My name is Sylvie, and I will be your conference call facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the BTB Real Estate Investment Trust's 2020 Third Quarter conference call for which management will discuss the quarter ended September 30, 2020. [Operator Instructions.] Should you wish to follow the presentation in greater details, management has made a presentation available on BTB's website at BTB -- I'm sorry, www.btbreit.com-investorrelations-quarterlyandannualmeetingpresentations. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period reserved exclusively for analysts. [Operator Instructions.] Before turning the meeting over to management, please be advised that some of the statements that may be made during this call may be forward-looking in nature. Such statements involve numerous factors and assumptions and are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties, both general and public, which give rise to the possibility that predictions, forecasts, projections and other forward-looking statements will not be achieved. A number of important factors could cause BTB Real Estate Investment Trust's actual results to differ materially from the expectations expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. These risks, uncertainties and other factors that could influence actual results are described in BTB Real Estate Investment Trust's, management discussion and analysis and in its annual information form, which were filed on SEDAR and on BTB's website at www.btbreit.com. I would like to remind everyone that this conference is being recorded. Thank you. And now we'll turn the conference over to Mr. Michel Leonard, President and Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Mathieu Bolte, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. You may begin the conference.
Michel Léonard
executiveThank you, Sylvie, and welcome to our Q3 2020 conference call to the market. Although the pandemic continues to create uncertainty in our industry, our portfolio is definitely showing normalized results compared to the previous quarter. As you remember, during the Q2 2020, we had to take some charges that were reflected in our results. And in Q3 2020, no such charges were made. We have not been victims of any additional exposure to the industry's bankruptcy in Q3, so we haven't been notified of any such bankruptcy nor of any tenants that we're filing for bankruptcy in Q3 nor during the month of October. Our rent collection stood at 100% for the period of May to September; most of the subsidies from the federal government-related to the CECRA program have been collected by BTB to date. We maintained a good level of activity for lease renewals and we did secure new tenants for our properties. We successfully issued the Series H 7% convertible debenture, and we did, in fact, redeem the Series F that came -- that was coming to maturity in December 2020. The payout ratio is right now at the expected level, following the adjustment of the distribution announced in May of this year, and the book value of BTB right now is at $5.41. Our highlights, our committed occupancy is 92.1%. It's been affected slightly if you compare it to Q2 as a result of the bankruptcy that was announced in Gatineau Quebec of 23,000 square feet that was impacting us on Q3 2020. This is the only element impacting us regarding our committed occupancy. Our NOI has grown by 0.8%. Our FFO per unit is at 10.9 cents. We did renew for the year-to-date, 736,000 square feet of leases that came to maturity. And -- or will be coming to maturity, and our debt ratio is below 60%. Regarding our COVID efforts, BTB is still is -- is [forced] in place and we actively monitor and we implement -- we finalized the CECRA program, and we did file the request with the Quebec government in order to get the subsidy of 12.5%; so half of the amount that we had to eat under the CECRA program. The new federal program was announced for commercial tenants, and we're navigating through this new program. We established a protocol for our rental and accounts receivable collections, and we obviously are monitoring our cash flow and our operational expenses. With the implementation of the CECRA program, some rent deferral agreements were granted and we implemented the deferral agreements with some tenants that did not qualify for the CECRA program during Q2. And regarding Q3 2020, no additional res deferral agreements were concluded with any of our tenants. As of Q3 2020, a total of 86 applications were filed for our tenants claiming $1.9 million from both levels of government and the only outstanding amount right now is $507,000 to be collected in Q4. On October 2, the Quebec government announced the claim guidelines regarding its 12.5 grants, and we have to-date filed all of our applications. We're confident that all sums will be received during the month of November and so that at the end of Q4, there will be no outstanding amount to receive from the Quebec or the federal program. And the same-property NOI was positive for the -- for Q3 2020, although we were negatively affected in Q2. So the negative aspect of Q2 has been resolved in the sense that we're showing a slight improvement in same-property NOI. And important to note is the fact that we showed a little bit more than $8 million in accounts receivables in Q2, and the amount has been reduced in Q3. So a good -- a great effort in collection has been made by our personnel. So regarding our rent collection in the month of March was 96%, April, 92%; May, June, July, August and September, 100%. The rent collection continues to strengthen over Q3, and we're currently back to normal levels. The collection rate was adjusted to consider rent deferral agreements as well as rent subsidies receivable under the CECRA program. Our strong collection effort has helped us to reduce the balance of receivables to a normalized level, and this is an improvement of $3 million as compared to Q2, as I mentioned earlier. Regarding our leasing and renewal strategy, the lease renewal flow was again important for -- we renewed leases in Q3 for 58,000 square feet of lease expirations for 2020. So it's 63% renewals for the quarter. Year-to-date, we renewed 202,000 square feet, almost 203,000 square feet, boasting a 66% success rate. We've also tackled, and you'll see that in our presentation, we have divided the 2020 lease renewals with the 2021 lease renewals in order to show the activity that we're not only thinking of lease renewals for 2020, but we're also tackling 2021 and subsequent years. So for 2021 and subsequent years, we've already renewed 144,000 square feet during the quarter. And year-to-date, it's 307,000 square feet of lease ex-maturities occurring after 2020. So a total of 203,000 square feet in the quarter and year-to-date, 510,000 square feet were renewed. What's an important thing to note is the fact that out of the 58,000 square feet of lease renewals during the quarter, 38,000 were lease renewals concluded with retail tenants. So regarding the retail segment, we've not received, again, any notice of nonrenewal during the quarter due to the pandemic. We are deploying continuous efforts in order to renew our leases that are coming to maturity after 2020. And that is to ensure the stability of our portfolio and our year-to-date leases representing approximately 307,000 square feet were already renewed for maturities occurring after the end of 2020. Our average rental rate of renewed leases is up by 1.9%. We're seeing an increase in the industrial segment by 5% and in the retail segment by 2.3%. In the new leases that we concluded, we leased 173 -- 174,000 square feet of vacant spaces during Q3 for a total of 225,000 square feet leased to new tenants year-to-date. We -- one point that's important to note is that we concluded two major industrial leases. One is 80,000 square feet in Montreal, we had decided that we were basically canceling the lease of one of our tenants, canceling the lease means eviction. So we elected one of our tenants for 80,000 square feet. And within two to three weeks later, we concluded a new lease at an increase in net rent of $2 a square foot with a tenant occupying the whole 80,000 square feet. We also concluded a lease for 75,000 square feet in our property in Cornwall, Ontario. That property was a property slated under development. So we reclassified this property and it is now upward leasing, but it is fully leased. And we're seeing an increase in activity in the -- in September and October in the office segment, especially in suburban office segment where we do have some vacancy, but we're seeing that there's -- the market has picked up, definitely picked up in that segment. So regarding our capital allocation, we did an acquisition early this year of Queens view drive. We talked about it in Q2. And we did dispose of four properties since the beginning of the year. The last one was 560 in [indiscernible]. It was a property that was 60% occupied. It did not generate a whole lot of NOI for BTB, hence, the decision to sell this property. We obviously tried to reposition we were unsuccessful in the repositioning, hence, the decision to settle. So again, the repositioning of our portfolio has paid off. We're no longer in secondary markets. We're basically in Montreal proper, Quebec City proper and Ottawa proper. So on this basis, I'd like to turn over the conference to Mathieu, who will dwell in the details of our third quarter financial results.
Mathieu Bolté
executiveThank you, Michel. Good morning, everyone. So I'll refer to the conference call presentation that we have on our website. So I'll start on Page 11. As we dive into the financial results with our key financial metrics and the run rate. Net income, as Michel mentioned, was at $5.76 million compared to $5.63 million in the same period in 2019. And so this is an increase of $0.1 million. And the increase was primarily attributed to; first, an improvement of the NOI margin of 56.2% last year compared to 56.4% this year. As well, a reduction of the net financial expenses coming from the refinancing that we did during the last 12 months. Strict management as well as administrative expenses. So we've been careful. This is excluding the expected credit losses. And finally, no fair value adjustments of our portfolio was made during this quarter. So, so far, most of the impact of the pandemic were recorded in the previous quarter. So you can see the improvement across all the financial metrics. With no additional bankruptcies announced in the third quarter, the results are mainly impacted by four tenant bankruptcies announced in the second quarter with roughly $400,000 impact on the top line and $300,000 of impact of additional allowance for credit losses this quarter. So overall, the impact for the quarter related to COVID is about 1.4 cents on FFO and AFFO. Payout ratios are now normalized for a full quarter impact after the announcement of the distribution adjustment in the middle of the last quarter. On Page 12, so we show slight decreases in rental revenue and net operating income, respectively, of 1.6% and 1.2%, and this is really driven by the recent sales of the properties that Michel mentioned; the CECRA program and the Q2 limited bankruptcies. Year-to-date revenues are up 3.6% and NOI is up by 4.8%. Just on a comparable basis, revenues and NOI are both up 0.8% for the quarter. And excluding the COVID-19 related impacts, if you look at the nine months cumulative, same-property revenues would be at plus 4.5% and plus 6.7% for the NOI. We believe those COVID impacts were a more specific rate for the second quarter. Same as the previous quarter, we see the region of Ottawa, showing good stability, really made impact related to COVID. And Quebec City, that was a bit more affected in the previous quarter is now kind of in a recovery mode, and the top line has been stable for this quarter. So for the whole portfolio, the average rental rate of expired and renewed leases year-to-date has shown good increases for the industrial segment by 5% and for the retail segment by 2.3%. Moving on Page 13. FFO per unit was 10.9 cents, up from 10.8 cents for the same quarter last year. Our FFO was 68.6% versus the same quarter last year of 97.2%. So this is an improvement of about 29% on a payout basis. So compared to the previous quarter, the FFO increased by 3.4 cents per unit or $2.2 million to a total of $6.9 million. And as communicated, we believe the impact of Q2 were very specific for that quarter, and we're back to a more normalized trajectory in terms of revenues and credit losses. AFFO for the quarter was equal to last year at 9.7 cents per unit and our FFO payout ratio was 77.4% versus 107.8% in the same quarter last year. So overall, for the year, the impact of COVID-19 on FFO and AFFO, we analyzed it at 3.9 cents per unit, with the principal drivers being $0.6 related to the CECRA program, 2.2 cents for the allowance for expected credit losses and 1.1 cents per unit for the second quarter bankruptcies related to the four tenets. Next, on Page 14. The weighted average interest rate was 3.61% compared to 3.92% for the same quarter last year. So it's an improvement of 31 basis points. We continue to benefit from the current low rate environment in our re-tenancy and during the quarter. So this quarter, we managed to refinance $28 million at positive rates. Our debt to gross book value was 59.7% compared to 61.4% a year ago. So it's down 1.7%, and we still maintain the objective to stay below 60% for the total debt ratio. And the mortgage debt ratio was 53% compared to 55% a year ago. Just looking at liquidity at the end of the third quarter. So we stood at $42 million. So we have $33 million in cash and $9 million available under our credit facility. But out of the cash balance, the $26.7 million was reserved for the repayment of the debenture Series F maturing in December this year. So just to finish with Page 15, our commitment for the rest of the year totaled $58 million. And as mentioned, we have $26.7 million that was the outstanding Series F debentures due in December this year. And we announced on September 29 that we closed above deal public offering of $30 million Series H, a 7% convertible unsecured subordinated debenture maturing on October 31, 2025. So the net proceeds was used to repay the Series F, and we already did it. So on October 26 and for other general trust purposes. So as far as the debenture, the refinancing is completed. We only have two mortgages left to refinance this year for a total of $31 million, and we are in the process to just finalize them in due course. So with that, I would like to turn the call over to Michel for his closing remarks.
Michel Léonard
executiveWe'll ask questions first. So Sylvie, , could you open the line to analysts, please?
Operator
operatorCertainly. [Operator Instructions.] Your first question will be from Fred Blondeau at IA Securities.
Frederic Blondeau
analystAnd it's IA Securities, obviously. First, I was wondering if you could give us a bit more color on the occupancy decrease within the mixed-use segment. Was that that like 550 bips decreases, was that the eviction that you were talking about, Michel?
Michel Léonard
executiveNo, no it was -- it's the bankruptcy and Gatineau of [indiscernible] for 23,000 square feet that was announced during Q2, but that hit us in Q3. So it's only -- it's mainly that.
Frederic Blondeau
analystOkay. And could you --
Michel Léonard
executiveIf I can add? If I can add, we've already signed a lease for half the space, a temporary lease, like I don't want to brag about a long-term lease, but it's a temporary lease for half the space.
Frederic Blondeau
analystOkay. And so what's the action plan there?
Michel Léonard
executiveThe action plan is that I think that this is the property that we should put on the market in 2021.
Frederic Blondeau
analystOkay. Perfect. And could you expand on that eviction that you were discussing earlier?
Michel Léonard
executiveWe leased the -- So we leased -- we were under a lease with a company, I won't mention the name, but they leased 80,000 square feet. And they were playing a game with us of paying rent and not paying rent, paying rent, not paying rent and so on. And so we had to -- we did provide in our results for the amount that was owed. And during the three months of the pandemic, where the Quebec government has not declared that you could not evict a tenant. But this gentleman thought that during this period, we could not evict. But considering the difficulty that basically, the whole market was under, we were patient. But as soon as things return to normal, we decided to cancel the lease. So we unilaterally canceled the lease. They left. So obviously, [ baliff ] and all that stuff. They left. And two to three weeks later we re-leased the space to Metro Logistics. And we had a lift in the net rent by $2 a square foot.
Frederic Blondeau
analystAnd so these guys less and there won't be any consequences or no consequence.
Michel Léonard
executiveNo. No, consequence, no.
Frederic Blondeau
analystOkay. Perfect. Second question in regards to same-property NOI. It looks like it held up quite well in Q3. I was wondering if you could give us a bit more details on how each segment performed.
Michel Léonard
executiveWell, what you saw is basically, we had the mixed-use segment that contributed negatively. And the mixed-use segment was greatly affected in Q2 by the lease renewal that we concluded with Desjardins in Quebec City in a mixed use property. And I'll just open a parenthesis, the mix -- unfortunately, this property is really, in my book, it is an office property, and it's been categorized as a mixed use property. But we're -- in Q4 or Q1 of next year, we're going to invest time and effort in order to better define what a mixed-use property is. So I'm closing the parenthesis. But -- so it's an office tenant, Desjardins, where we concluded a lease renewal where we reduced their net rent for the lease renewal. And the basic understanding with them is that they renewed on the basis of an as-is, where is transaction. So we -- and there was no package that was attributed to the transaction. So there was no TI, there was no free rent. There's nothing. So it was a pure transaction where we concluded it at $2 per square foot less than what we were operating under. So that impacted us, if I remember correctly, by 9% in the mixed use property. So now what happens is -- or happened is the fact that through our leasing effort, now we're showing a positive NOI -- same-property NOI because we recuperated year-to-date, the effect of that lease renewal with Desjardins in Q2.
Frederic Blondeau
analystThat's great. And how is retail performing in that environment?
Michel Léonard
executiveWe -- the only issue that we have with our retail is in the fashion segment. And as you know, most of our retail locations, we don't own and close malls. So most of our retail is open air type retail, power centers where their grocery anchor, we have drug stores, pharmacies and the like. So it's mostly destination based. And as a result, they were open during the forced closing by the decree of the government to close them. And so we didn't have -- we didn't suffer a whole lot, except in the retail -- in the fashion. And we're not heavily invested in fashion. So it's very few tenancy that we do have. And mostly, I would say, in Saint-Bruno and in Quebec City. And in Quebec City, that's where we were hit the hardest with that segment where we did postpone the payment of rent. And what we're seeing in Quebec City because now as a result of the postponement agreements that we have in place, they're reporting their sales. And most of the retailers in Quebec City that obviously report their sales are showing an increase in sales in 2020 versus 2019. So -- and the agreements that we had concluded with them is that if they -- obviously, if their sales were better than last year, then they were supposed to pay us the full amount of rent, which is the full amount of rent that's being collected. So it's a long answer to your question. But generally, that's where we're suffering, and it's basically fashion retailing, and we don't have a lot of those in our portfolio.
Frederic Blondeau
analystAny idea why Quebec City would underperform Montreal or other markets in that region? That's kind of --
Michel Léonard
executiveIt's -- you and I can eventually have a glass of wine, and we can discuss this. And I'll give -- I'll give you my impression of Quebec City versus Montreal as far as being [ beggers ]. But it's -- I think it's -- in Quebec City, it's a way of life, where they're sort of used to hold a hand out in order to receive something where -- in -- whether it's Ottawa or whether it's Montreal, the philosophy is completely different.
Frederic Blondeau
analystBe careful there. I was born in Quebec City, and I don't drink wine, but it's all good. And maybe lastly for me. You mentioned that you were seeing improving demand for office space within your suburban markets. Could you give us a bit more color on that?
Michel Léonard
executiveYes. We have a property in the Technoparc in Montreal, where if you remember, a few years ago, Shire left and created a vacancy, and we had a cancellation agreement that was signed with them, and we got the money and so on. And we had -- it was difficult to re-lease. Right now, there's a REM station being built right across the street from our property, and that's generating interest right now. So we're getting good velocity as far as leasing that property. We're getting good velocity on our office properties located in -- on Saint-Martin in Laval, great velocity of leasing there as well. We have a lot of leases that were renewed in this property as well. The City of Laval is moving into the building. So we finalized the construction of their -- part of their improvement for an occupancy that is going to take place over the weekend with the City of Laval. And there's another floor that they're taking over in a week or two -- no, more than that, in a month's time. So we're -- so there is good occupancy and same thing in Quebec City, where we're seeing tenants that are looking around. Obviously, in March, April, May and June, there was like very little activity, but now come September, we saw that there was a very positive aspect to the leasing velocity in our suburban office properties.
Operator
operatorNext question will be from Matt Kornack at National Bank Financial.
Matt Kornack
analystWith regards to the retail space that's seen CCAA filings, have you seen any tour activity on that? I know it's in close proximity to some pretty visible motorways. So any thoughts there?
Michel Léonard
executiveWe have -- you're referring to the Sportium building? Just -- I'll give a little bit of background. Sportium is part of the [ Sales ] group and Sale has filed for protection earlier this year. And so they have -- they will vacate this particular property on January 31, 2021. Right now, we're in -- we've received a letter of intent to re-lease that space. Obviously, we are preparing a counter offer for the documentation that we've received. So there is activity. We did give a mandate to an outside broker specializing in retail in order to lease this property as well to help us lease this property. And so we do have activity, and we're hopeful that we'll be able to lease it from this -- it's a Canadian national retailer that is looking at that space.
Matt Kornack
analystNecessity based? Or what type of usage would it be?
Michel Léonard
executiveI would call it, let's call it, like it's not Canadian Tire, but it's like a Canadian Tire.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay. And then, Mathieu, with regards to the debt side of things on the mortgage front, it sounds like from your remarks that, that market has opened up a bit. And can you speak to the ability to get mortgage financing and how the underwriting has changed, if at all?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveYes. Well, we haven't faced any challenges in terms of refinancing, the mortgages that we have year-to-date. And as I mentioned, we have two less, one we already have an agreement with the bank. And then actually, the other one, we decided to go in terms of -- on the market to look at the best rates we can have on that specific property, which is a great property. So again, we haven't faced like really challenges in terms of refinancing.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay. And then last one for me. I guess it kind of jives with your comments with regards to the leasing velocity. But have you seen tour activity generally return to pre-COVID levels? And what type of properties? It sounds like suburban office, you're getting some interest in retail, the industrial market is exceptionally strong, but are there any areas that are outstanding on the positive or negative side with regards to tour activity?
Michel Léonard
executiveWell, right now, on the tour activity, it's mainly in the office segment that we're seeing touring. And as I said before, we own office properties, mainly in suburban Montreal, suburban Quebec and suburban Ottawa. So -- and we are receiving a lot of activities. Even in Ottawa, we concluded a lease with a lease renewal with the federal government in one of our properties, and it seems that they're going to take a little bit more space than they had forecasted then under the renewal. So it's not huge, but we take it as a positive sign. So overall, we're still -- like I don't want people to believe in the province of Quebec COVID doesn't exist, but we're still dealing with the effects of COVID. But I think that we're focused in order to take whatever comes our way in order to turn it into a deal. So -- and our people are definitely focused that way. And so whether it's lease renewals, whether it's working things out with tenants or whether it's new tenancy, we're there, and we're grabbing everything that we can. So we're not letting a deal go by without putting our full effort into a deal.
Mathieu Bolté
executiveMaybe just to add on that, Matt, I think as Michel mentioned, all the deals that we'd be able to anticipate year-to-date were I think about 300,000 square foot that we were able to anticipate compared to last year, nine months. I think it was close to 90,000 square foot. So we see the activity on that in as well that is quite active.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay. And last, last one. Sorry, go ahead.
Michel Léonard
executiveYes, I was going to say, and we have national retailers that are looking at extending -- like we're dealing with one the lease ends in 2022, and they're looking at a ten-year extension. And we have many of -- on the way on that front as well. So yes, we did reach out to every -- not to everybody, but to a certain clientele or a certain part of our tenancy. We did reach out in order to see if we can extend in order to normalize our cash flow for -- and create some kind of solidity to our cash flow for the future years. And that's why we're basically creating the two classes in our MD&A to show -- we want to show you, we want to show Fred, we want to show everybody that we're not just working for today. We're working -- and Yash is on the line, I forgot, Yash. But -- and so we're working hard in order to ensure that our cash flow is going to remain positive over the next years.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay makes sense. With regards to the bridge between CECRA or [SEC] or whatever you want to call it, and [SERS]. Have you had any issues in terms of guys not paying October rent? I mean, like it sounds like the program is retroactive to September. So they will ultimately get some sort of relief, but I don't think it's in place yet, but how are you dealing with that? Or have you seen any impact or you guys just paying cash rent?
Michel Léonard
executiveRight now, we did see a few, but not a whole lot, and it's mainly in, let's call it, the food industry. So a coffee shop, restaurant and so on. And what we're trying to -- we're trying to put in place agreements because we want to be proactive on that front. We want to put in place agreements where we want to ensure that when they do get their grant, that their grant is going to be paid to us. So how we're going to do this? This is still an [indiscernible] because we don't have, we don't know, how the plan is going to work at the federal level. So we understand that within the next ten days, we're going to get a better understanding what it is. But so far, when we do inform our tenants that are asking some kind of relief, we're asking them to pay their rent and because we're telling them, this is the program that exists and you alone because right now, it's out of our hands. You and you alone can seek a subsidy from the federal government regard -- and I think it could be 65% to 90% of the rent payable. And as a result of this, we've furnished them with all the documentation necessary that we know of to date. And eventually, when we'll get to the applications, we're going to facilitate their work because you can understand that smaller tenancy are basically -- they basically don't understand how this works. So our role is going to be the facilitator between the federal government and our tenancy in order to ensure that they do get their grant because we know that if they do get their grant, then we will have been paid or we will eventually be paid. So if we look at -- we filed a little bit over 80 applications on behalf of our tenants, and we were paid in full, as I reported earlier. So we're looking at these 80 tenants. And we've already provided with all the information that we have received to date regarding the program, and we're working with them in order to ensure that they adhere to the program. And we are -- in exchange, we're asking them to pay us. And so far, it has worked.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions.] Your next question will be from Yash Sankpal at Laurentian Bank.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystMichel, just want to follow-up on that suburban office leasing. Given what is happening in downtown office markets. Are you surprised? Or do you think it is a consequence of the pandemic and the impact on the downtown sectors.
Michel Léonard
executiveIt's obvious that nobody could have forecast the effect of the pandemic on the downtown office nor downtown retail. We're looking at two weekends ago, a big shopping center north on the Island of Laval, was full of people. But downtown Montreal, there was nobody. So shopping centers are back in -- and closed shopping malls are back in operation, maybe not to the full level that they were prior to the month of March, but they're back in operation. But what's lacking are the people that are basically supporting the retail environment of the downtown. So downtown Montreal, downtown, Toronto, same thing. So people are reverting back to the suburbs because they find that it's safer, if I can use this term. And the natural aspect of supplying business to the retail tenants in the downtowns of whether Montreal or Toronto are the office towers, the office workers that are coming to the downtowns. So nobody could have forecast that a pandemic would have restricted the use of workers, let's say, of their elevators. So in the [ Claudville Marine ], there are 32 elevators. And if you're working, say, for a Royal Bank of Canada, and you're on the 41st floor of that building, it's estimated that it's going to take you two hours to go up because I think the maximum capacity of an elevator is three or four people. So it's no different, I'm sure, in Toronto. So as a result of this, the workers are basically choosing to work from home. Whereas in suburbs, an office building, maybe in Mississauga it's different, but in Laval or the South Shore of Montreal, you have fiber, you have six floors, six stories. And you could reach your office space by just taking the stairs. It's healthy. And you just go up and you can work from your office with all the other restrictions that the pandemic brings to you. But regarding suburban environment, our decision to invest in suburban office buildings was not obviously linked to the pandemic, but it was linked more to the difficulties that workers have commuting to the downtowns. And way back when in Toronto, or Royal Bank of Canada built this tower in Mississauga, a huge building to receive its suburban workers. And that basically -- I wouldn't say that, that started a trend because it was already there. But it is linked to the fact that it is very difficult to commute to the downtowns. So the difficulty to commute to the downtown, I think, is -- and more and more. And yes, we build high-speed trains, and we build the REM and the LRT's in Ottawa and so on. But however, it is difficult to be downtown. So I think that generally, whether it's a pandemic, whether it's the traffic problems that are -- and the parking problems that are linked to being downtown. I think that it's going to strengthen the decision of companies to locate satellite more and more satellite offices. I'm speaking to one of our lawyers, and he lives on the North Shore of Montreal and works from home right now and has no intention of going back to his office in downtown Montreal because there's too much traffic. So he's not even referring to the pandemic. It's just too much traffic. And he's asking the managing partner, whether it would be advisable to rent space in where he lives, so that -- because he doesn't want to work from home. He wants to work in an office. And so he's looking at an office building that will be in close proximity to where he lives. And I think that, that's going to be a trend that is going to be here to stay. And that's why initially, we started investing in suburban environments for our office buildings.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystThat's good color. And Mathieu, how much was the lease termination income in your NOI this quarter?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveZero. We haven't had any.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystOkay. And just trying to understand how you reverse any bad debt that you had booked previously. Does it go to your revenues stream?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveYes. In terms of bad debt, in terms of the balance sheet there, we did take some write-offs in terms of accounts receivables that were fully provisioned. So we have to -- we reduced the [AR], we reduced the provision for about $700,000. So that was a non-P&L event. And then on the P&L, we did -- took some provision to incur about $300,000, but we had as well to book additional provisions for either litigation or other AR. So the net-net on the P&L is about -- it's a bit north of $300,000 negative.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystThat was negative?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveYes.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystThere was no positive onetime item?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveNo. But as I said, there were some accounts for which we did take for income, about $300,000 for provision reduction because of the good collection. But as well, on other cases, we have to take provision as well for litigation.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystAnd those items went through your P&L?
Mathieu Bolté
executiveYes. So that's why the net result is a negative item of, as I said, three -- a bit north of $300,000.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystOkay. And going back to Michel. How are your tenants coping with the second wave? What are you hearing? Like generally, are people as stressed as they were during the first wave? Or like what are you hearing?
Michel Léonard
executiveWell, it's a mixed bag of things because what I find is that the more somebody works from home, the more impacted psychologically they are and the more they work in the office, in an office environment, the less psychologically they are impacted from the COVID. So it's -- I'm not a proponent of saying that things are back to normal because they aren't. But I think that people have to -- people that are working from home have to, at one point, decide that, yes, there is a risk of going to work, but am I willing to assume the risk or not. And I don't think that the panacea is to work from home because working from home has its other challenges, especially if the kids are not at school, especially if the kids are younger and so it means that you are always 100% or 120% invested in what's going on in your home and your work in all the environment, and it's obvious that people are getting tired of it. So -- and we're seeing it. People -- I think that since the announcement, Pfizer, yesterday, I think that people are generally more positive because now they see that they -- yes, they are in the tunnel, they see the light, a very faint light at the end of the tunnel, but at least they're seeing a light. Where I think that there's less months in this pandemic than we've lived already. So I think that we're getting to an end. So generally, people are positive. As reported, they're paying rent. So the effect, we are receiving 100% of our rents that are due. So overall, we're trying to keep things under control. And I won't say that it's something that's easy. I don't think that -- and I think it's difficult for everybody. Everybody that's on the phone has some difficulty with this because we're all looking forward to going back to what we define as normal and our new normal is definitely not normal. So I think that's all I can say. I don't know if I answered your question, Yash.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystPartly. What I'm trying to get is, do you think we are going to see more bankruptcies over the next two or three months?
Michel Léonard
executiveI don't think that in the next two or three months, we're going to see a lot of bankruptcies. I don't think so.
Yashwant Sankpal
analystAnd I'm talking generally, not about your portfolio, I'm talking about the margin.
Michel Léonard
executiveGenerally, generally because it's not -- at this time of the year, let's call it real estate in general. At this time of the year in real estate, in general, the retailers are starting to make money for Christmas. The retailers are seeing more sales, and the retailers are more positive at this time of the year. And the --
Yashwant Sankpal
analystBut they tend to file in January, February, once the season is over.
Michel Léonard
executiveExactly. That's where I was going. So they're filling up their pockets with their monies that they're receiving before Christmas, and the decision regarding a bankruptcy or a potential bankruptcy is usually made in January or February. So that's why I'm saying that in the month of November and December, I doubt that we're going to be hit with more bankruptcies. But in January and February, I think that those are months that we're going to have to be very careful because that's the normal trend that could be compounded by the pandemic, but it depends where we are in the solution to the pandemic in January or February.
Operator
operatorThank you. And at this time, we have no further questions. Mr. Leonard, please proceed.
Michel Léonard
executiveThank you, again, to have joined us this morning in our conference call for our results of the third quarter of 2020. I think it was an important quarter. I think that you could have seen from the way that we had disclosed our numbers in Q2, is that something was happening with BTB, positive things were happening with BTB, and I think that we're on a positive trend. Obviously, barring all sorts of other events linked to the pandemic. But just to say that we are, in fact, on a positive trend. Our portfolio is resilient. The moves that we made in the last 18 months regarding the sales and the different purchases that we have made have definitely contributed to our results. We have less properties and as much income, and increases in NOI. So generally, I think we're trending on a very positive note. And that's why in Q2, we were showing the effect of the pandemic on our numbers just to be able to -- for you to foresee that things were correcting. And so now we're -- the evidence is there, and we're very pleased with our results, and we're working hard to keep this trend going. So again, thank you very much for joining us, and we'll see you at our next conference call, which will be obviously Q4 2020.
Operator
operatorThank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. And at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines.
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