Bushveld Minerals Limited (BMN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 29, 2023

London Stock Exchange GB Materials earnings 54 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Bushveld Minerals Limited Interim Results Investor Presentation. [Operator Instructions]. Given the attendance on today's call, the company may not be in a position to answer every question received in the meeting itself, however the company can review your questions submitted today, and we'll publish those responses on the Investor Meet Company platform. Before we begin, we'd like to submit the following poll. And if you could expect your kind attention, I'm sure that the company would be most grateful. I'd now like to hand over to CEO, Craig Coltman. Good morning.

Craig Coltman

executive
#2

And good morning to all, and welcome to the presentation covering our interim results for the 6 months ended June 2023. Let me begin on Slide #3. A few words on where we are with some of the initiatives we spoke about at a recent quarterly call. Firstly, the improvement measures implemented at Vanchem early in my tenure or starting to bear fruit. Vanchem produced 160 metric ton volume in July and very pleasing 175 in August 2023. It was a bit a sweet moment because our initiative was to do 180 that we lost 2 days due to a power dip with the Eskom. Nevertheless, this represents a 63% improvement in production over the monthly average for the first 6 months of the year with August, making it the highest production month since Bushveld Minerals took over this asset in 2019. And of course, very importantly, these measures were implemented safely without injuries. Now we want to see these initiatives be maintained sustainably over a longer period and for Vanchem to achieve this monthly rate of at least 180 mtV by the end of 2023. We maintain our revised production guidance of between 3,700 and 3,900 mtV, supported by the improved operational performance at Vanchem. In regard to financing, we continue to target the closing of the Orion transaction by December 2023. Concurrently, the Southern Point Resources deal we are working towards will put us in a much stronger financial position going forward. On that front, we have now received the approximate $8 million in working capital funds, which forms part of that transaction. The 2023, first half results for the period, we produced 1.784 metric volume tonne. That's 9% higher than a year ago. We also continued to sell down inventories, resulting in just over 2,000 metric per tonnes sold during that period. The cost per unit sold was in the order of $33 per kilogram representing 12% decrease relative to the prior year, primarily as a result of higher sales volume and a weaker grand dollar exchange rate. The adjusted EBITDA profit was down 34. [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#3

Okay. Please do bear with me just one while I reconnect the company. Just bear with me for one moment. Craig, can you hear me, okay? We lost you for a moment and say, yes, we lost you, but you're now back if you would mind.

Craig Coltman

executive
#4

I don't have the screen in front of us, but I've got a laptop. So...

Operator

operator
#5

Just continue and just tell me when to change the slides. I ensure investors are on the right page. We're currently on Slide 3, H1 2023 Performance. Craig, can you hear me there? Gentlemen, just bear with me, just one second. Just give me one second there, please. Thank you. Let me just request control, and I can bring you back in. Thank you very much indeed. I can hear you, Craig, yes. If we do lose your again, Craig, I have sent [indiscernible] the dial-in details just as a backup, if you fail again. But we're on Slide 3, H1 '23 Performance and '22 -- '23 update. If I could ask you to carry on and you take it from here, I'll change the slides if you can't see them in front of you.

Craig Coltman

executive
#6

Very good. We should be good. We just picked over the generators on things like that as there was scheduled load shedding. I was saying earlier, it's the only country I know we're here in South Africa, we share electricity. So thank you for being -- bearing with us. I was saying that the adjusted EBITDA was down 34% in the order of $10 million due to a lower realized price and increased cost of sales and other operating costs. In regard to cash and cash equivalents, we ended the first half of the year with $3.7 million. As mentioned, we are continuing to make progress on both the Orion restructuring and the Southern Point transaction. We plan to complete this by the end of the year, which is the due date completion of these transactions will really help strengthen the company's balance sheet, reduce debt and allow us to continue with focusing on the business. If I move on to Slide 4, the group production performance. I spoke about the really good results with Vanchem. We did shut down the Vanchem kiln for 8 days in September for some much needed maintenance. When I last spoke to you, the plan was to do production in July and August and have a shutdown in September. We took a calculated risk and we continue to [ sweap ] the asset but we had a hotspot on the kiln, and it was wise to shut it down, and we spent 8 days on realigning that section of the kiln. We are waiting a full report on that, but the view from the production guys is -- this will enable us now to continue to Q1 2024. So we originally had a shutdown of about 3 weeks in the latter part of this year. That appears not to be necessary so we can claw back some of that time there. We definitely need that to demonstrate ongoing credibility of sustainable production, particularly at Vanchem, we're going to be doing in the order of 120, 130 mtV, Vanchem for the month of September. But as I said when I spoke to you previously, we were going to do a shutdown in October. That's no longer necessary. We believe, given what's been done at the Kiln-1, we can push through to Q1 2024. At Vanchem, July's production was 132 mtV. This was due to various things, unexpected high rainfalls, et cetera. We had stoppages in the plant, particularly problems around the sulfatic recovery plant. We had some Barren Dam issues. These have been addressed largely. We did a 215 mtV in August against a target of 200. Whilst we've made good progress with the sulfur recovery plant performance of Barren Dam, we have experienced some reliability issues with the leach processing in early September. We'll do 180 mtV for September and then back on to the target of 200 mtV monthly run rate going forward. And then lastly, our efforts to maximize capital allocation efficiencies, reduce costs and continue on this journey of trying to simplify our business. The company has reassessed the merits of pursuing the mining right application associated with the Brits project, and we've concluded that it's no longer going to be pursued. I mean with Vametco having a conservative light of mine estimate in excess of 30 years, the company wants to focus on its efforts on assets we are really secured. Moving on to Slide 5 on the income statement. I think the waterfall chart does a good job refers to the factors that have impacted the adjusted EBITDA for the period. You can see that the big contributors to the $12 million net loss with the increased financing costs of around about $7 million. This was primarily due to the Orion production financing agreement in the Orion convertible low net and of course, 300-- just over $3 million of other losses which relate to some fair value adjustments we need to recognize as a result of the unfortunate must save convertible loan notes. Slide 6 talks about the group's total costs, where the unit per sold for the half year represents in the order of [ $33 million ] is a 12% improvement relative to the prior year. Looking at Slide 7, cash flow. You'll see in 6 months period, the group had a cash outflow from operating activities of $0.9 million compared to $8.7 million in the prior year. You notice the capital expenditure was almost half of that in the period of 2022. I'll get on to that a bit later at the end around the risks around decreased expenditure and the impact that could have on planned maintenance going forward. Slide 8, the total net debt. Our total debt of on the order of $94 million increased by $4 million compared to the previous year, primarily due to the capitalization of the interest on the Orion convertible alone. This again reinforces the importance of the continued efforts of the Southern Point Resources transaction, the funding from which will provide much-needed opportunity to degear our balance sheet by retiring either part or the entire financing instruments, we're still working on what is the best scenario for that. Looking at Slide 9 and looking at the future of the second half before I take some questions. We've announced 2 significant financial transactions in recent months, both the Orion and the Southern Point Resources. We have a deadline in December for Orion and we are confident we will make significant progress on the Southern Point Resources transaction. On that note, we don't have to wait for the sale of the Vanchem, the $20-odd million until then, both Southern Resources and ourselves are keen to get that done asap. They keen to come in and be a partner in Vanchem and start enjoying some of the fruits of that initiative. So that's first up in the sequencing of events. I mentioned that we're maintaining our production guidance of 3,700 to 3,900 for the year. Moving forward, we had to get Vanchem to the sustainable rate of 180 mtV that I referred to earlier and for the Vametco to operate at the order of 200 mtV for at least the rest of the year. In order to improve the group's profitability, in addition to running these initiatives and resolving the financing issues, I'm going to be focusing on various cost containment initiatives in parallel to the initiatives I've already explained. I'll now pause to take questions.

Operator

operator
#7

That's great. Great. Thank you very much indeed for updating investors this morning. [Operator Instructions], but just while we review those questions. I'd like to remind you that a recording this presentation along with a copy of the slides and the Q&A can be accessed via your investor meet company dashboard. Craig, we did receive a number of presubmitted questions from investors. So firstly, thank you to everybody for your engagement and for those submitting them as we speak. But Craig, if I could the Q&A off maybe with a few of those that were presubmitted. Is it time for more changes to the staff and board members?

Craig Coltman

executive
#8

I cannot comment on the board. But what I can say is that my engagement with the Board, they are really very committed to turning this business around and making sure that we have a self-sustainable company that is future fit, I mentioned the cost saving initiatives earlier. We will be doing an organizational redesign. We're in the early stages of kicking that off. We'll be addressing some of the low-hanging fruit and we'll identify what this organization needs in terms of an org structure to be future fit to ensure we have a self-standing business going forward.

Operator

operator
#9

That's great. Let's turn to the next question. We were told in 2018 that Vametco has successfully implemented its Phase II expansion project to achieve 3,750 mtV can -- why can't the plant now achieve this?

Craig Coltman

executive
#10

I can't comment on targets and decisions that were made by previous management. But what I can say is that Vametco, we are targeting for now a monthly steady stage production of 200 mtV and 180 mtV for Vanchem. I'll continue to focus on achieving efficiency and making sure that any production increases we achieved are sustainable and profitable. I'm very keen to grow this business and grow production throughput. But we can't just grow for the sake of growing. We've got to do it in a manner that's sustainable and profitable. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#11

Okay. Let's turn to the third question here. What are the chances of any of the VRFB companies signing offtake agreements with BELCO? And what is the forecasted production volumes for 2024?

Craig Coltman

executive
#12

As mentioned in the interims, we've been sending batches of electrolyte to a few international customers in an effort to qualify BELCO as an approved supply. That only happened a week or so ago more than half a dozen to start of it. The first batch actually arrives in Singapore tomorrow. So we're on line with what was previously shared. The qualification process involves exchanging initial samples in the order of 5 liters with corresponding analysis that can take 1 or 2 months. Some customers may qualify us immediately. Some may, after the process, request further volumes between 5,000 and 10,000 liters to ensure that our electrolyte meets the appropriate standard. This will take a further 2 to 3 months in the qualification process. This is because there's no global electrolyte stand. Every VRFB manufacturer as the Vanadium specification and thus, BELCO needs to qualify and meet with each of them. Production will be dependent next year on contracts that have still been secured. As I said previously, this could take us to early December before we've got a good sense of how good our product is and whether we've got some really good customers out there. So we're on track with what I shared previously, be able to give more reassurance in either way, whether we have to scratch to have a BELCO that can provide the needs of customers in 2024. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#13

Question here around the former CEO. Why is the former CEO still allowed to benefit by renting office space to us. It was notable in the results that he had increased the rent last year while shareholders suffered losses.

Craig Coltman

executive
#14

Yes, it's a fair question. I mean I think the observation that the rental was over the top is a correct assumption. All I can do is make sure that I have a market-related agreement in terms of rental, whether it's owned by whoever. What I can tell you that with effect from August, the first of August, we signed a new agreement which is 1/3 less than the rental we were paying in July. It's closer to the 2018 numbers. And in South Africa, we run at 7.5%, 8% inflation. So the rental agreement, 1 August, I can assure you is 1/3 less than what we were paying previously, with no increase in 2024. And for me, that's a good enough arms length agreement that's in the benefit of Bushveld Minerals.

Operator

operator
#15

Okay. Next question. South Africa is a member of the BRICS Nations. Does Craig see future opportunities for Bushveld Minerals in this massive market?

Craig Coltman

executive
#16

I mean we would consider most markets, any market, as long as it makes economic sense and that we can achieve the highest premium for our products. There's no secret why we sell 50% of our products in the U.S. today because we get a 5% premium to other countries. So as long as it makes, you know, economic sense, we'll certainly look at that market. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#17

Are there any more bad financial surprises to come in the next year? I don't know what you can stay within respect to forecast and stuff, but if there's any color on that, that would be great.

Craig Coltman

executive
#18

Yes. Before I address that question head on and tell you what could be coming down the line. I think it's important to understand the we did release our H1 '23 financial report and provided some update on the 6 months and an outlook for the rest of the year. Our key priorities for the year is meeting production, cost targets and is doing the factors that are in our control are managed effectively as possible. I don't want to labor the point around Vanchem 180, Vametco 200, we've got to keep ensuring that, that's a sustainable deliverable for our own confidence and credibility within various stakeholders. We've spoken about the recovery part in the Barren Dam. That's starting to bed down, and I'm much more comfortable with that. Don't underestimate the importance of the Orion and SPR transactions, which are very aligned in terms of timing other than the sale of Vanchem, which I said earlier could happen much sooner. But whether it's the second half of this year or next year, there's no obvious cash losses that I'm concerned about, but there's a very likelihood of an impairment in the order of $50 million for the Mokopane mine. The value that sits in our accounting books in terms of its accounting carrying value versus what it will be sold as very different. And that's in the order of $50 million. Now we can only do the impairment once the sale materialize. I think the sales in the order of $3.5 million for the -- for our 64% share of Mokopane. Whilst the sale of Vanchem itself is a lot simpler, the sale of Mokopane has a couple of other little nuances. They are minority interests, and there is some right of first refusal, et cetera, et cetera. So there are a few issues that need to be resolved, not big money in the bigger scheme of the sale. But when that sale gets concluded, and the SPR guys are dealing with those with the loyalty shareholders as we speak. We've had 1 or 2 issues with them, and we're resolving a couple of them -- issues that are not insurmountable. But when that sale happens, whether it's this year or next year, we've got to recognize a $50 million impairment. It's not a cash issue, but I'm just raising it. It is an accounting issue. So hope that answers the question as direct as I can.

Operator

operator
#19

That's great. Thank you, Craig. Please you tell investors why no one wants to be RFPs in SA in South Africa despite the energy challenges and the favorable conditions allowed by government regarding self-generation?

Craig Coltman

executive
#20

Yes. I wouldn't say that nobody wants it. There's a very low uptake and very low demand. I think one could understand that the RFPs customers are generally large commercial businesses. That's the customers. They don't play in the small than private space. And we've had severe load shedding in South Africa many years. So the majority of your private large commercial business have already got their energy solutions with lithium batteries and solar panels. They've had to survive. The mining industry is a little different, and there is potential demand in the mining space for these batteries, the VRFB batteries. But the mining industry, I think they're still weighing up options. I think the position at -- with the solar at a mini grid at Vametco gives an example of where it does, and we do to become fully operational by the end of the year on that set up. Can we still with them? Good. When that gets completed with that 10% of Vametco electricity will come from there. So there are examples, but they're small pockets of examples. It's also worthwhile noting that the CellCube is the entity that has the opportunity to sell into whatever market it is including South Africa. But we don't have a controlling interest CellCube. Garnet do. And as a matter of fact, Garnet were out here last week, in South Africa looking at opportunities. So let's watch this space..

Operator

operator
#21

That's great. Let's turn to the next question, Craig. Sorry to keep firing these in that year, we did receive a number of questions. So the next one is as follows. Does Craig see Bushveld exceeding the previous reduced production guidance?

Craig Coltman

executive
#22

Yes. I mean I think it's realistic, we are reliant on Vanchem delivering the 180 mtV. We've done 130-ish this month, but I spoke about the fact we don't do the -- what -- it's unlikely we're going to do the shutdown in October so we can call back a bit there. I think the guidance is as realistic today as it was when I first shared that guidance because the plan to deliver on those guidance are starting to bear fruit. So it's as realistic as can be.

Operator

operator
#23

How will Craig use the recent SRP investment? What key areas will that be focused on?

Craig Coltman

executive
#24

Yes. As we've already disclosed the market, when we concluded the proposed package will provide interim working capital. We've got that already. It's an opportunity to retire some part of certain existing financing arrangements. And we're prioritizing that as we speak, including the -- replacing the existing groups working capital arrangement with Wogan. And of course, there's also an opportunity to evaluate the business case to recommission Vanchem's Kiln-1 as part of our capital prioritization initiative. But I've got to emphasize it presents an opportunity to evaluate the business case. I'm not saying we're going to do Kiln-1. I think there are some quarters that want to do it anyway. I don't support that approach to investment. We need to do the proper investment appraisal first. But now I can initiate the pre-feasibility study on Kiln-1. So that when we all done and dusted, we got the funds in, we are further down the track in terms of understanding the business opportunities for Kiln-1, that's one of the expansion projects that may or may not materialize when some convinced or otherwise, that is certain appropriate investment. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#25

Turning to the next question, if I may. Has Craig got an update on when he will be purchasing Bushveld shares?

Craig Coltman

executive
#26

I'd love to purchase asap. But I'm an insider, I mean it appears I can't buy share is very frustrating for me for obvious reasons. We've got to conclude the Orion deal at a certain share price. I mean, to be direct, if I could use my entire proceeds of my salary that I've got since I've been the CEO since the first of July, I used it all up, but I can't do so right now, very frustrating.

Operator

operator
#27

Okay. Let's turn to the next one. Do we have an update on Mustang Energy's position in Enerox?

Craig Coltman

executive
#28

I mean we can't comment on Mustang's position. Mustang have to provide their updates as they see fit. The latest news is that as a result of Mustang not being readmitted to the trading by the deadline of 31 July this year. Garnet exercised its option to increase its shareholding in CellCube 60% and committed to investing a further $3.25 million to support the company in the short term due to these events, alternative options are being considered by Bushveld Energy, the decision is imminent, and an announcement will be made in this regard in due course.

Operator

operator
#29

Thanks, Craig. Are there any future plans to move to the main market? And if so, what would that time line look like?

Craig Coltman

executive
#30

Sure. As you'll see from my previous questions, we have lots of priorities to focus on. It's consolidating, it's right. So this is not an immediate focus of mine.

Operator

operator
#31

The longer this next question is. Is the delay with the Orion deal due to the possibility that the whole CLN debt will be paid off using the $25 million asset sale proceeds from SPR, specifically allocated to debt reduction, together with the proceeds from selling off our holding in Enerox [indiscernible]?

Craig Coltman

executive
#32

I mean I've spoken about the scenarios we're considering whether we do pay off part entirely, we're still prioritizing that. Some of the delay that we've experienced with Orion, we needed liquidity into this business and SPR have provided that. And there are some interdependencies between Orion and SPR, for example, when we do the -- when Orion convert 10% of the debt into equity at a certain share price it's going to be - SPR is going to do exactly the same. So there are reasons why we've -- where we are right now, and it's taken a little bit longer than I would have liked. But we had to get the equity injection in and get a partner like SPR and now there's some further alignment of certain deliverables and agreements before we can get them signed. Regarding Bushveld Energy, because -- so see Mustang wasn't admitted on 31st of July as the deadline requested and I've already said, we are a minority shareholder now. Garnet, 60% of the business. We are -- spent a lot of time deliberating on the future on Bushveld future with the energy space. And we'll provide an update very soon. I could assure you in terms of what scenarios are likely to be implemented.

Operator

operator
#33

Great. The statement in the interim presentation was that the focus now to finalize the deal was on documentation. Just how much is there and why -- what they can 6 months?

Craig Coltman

executive
#34

So I shared with you in the previous question, some of the into dependencies with SPR and with liquidity and aligning some of the SPR issues with Orion and particularly around the share price, that the equity is going to come in, that takes a bit of time. But there are other issues. The Orion transaction is dependent on reserve bank approval. It depends on shareholders' approval. We need to convene a general meeting and I urge the directors to support that. There are a couple of binding documentation that we need to resolve still. But don't forget, it's in the best interest of Bushveld Minerals and Orion to get this deal done. And that's why I have the confidence it's going to be done in time of the December due date. Similar with SPR, there are legal documentation that we're working on. I've alluded to us trying to accelerate the sale portion of the contract. There's no reason why that can't happen well ahead of time. And then, of course, to the extent applicable the shareholder requirements as well, the South African exchange control. There's also approvals pursuant to the competition that we don't see it as a problem. But all of those issues are real issues but they're not insurmountable that's going to cause me any concern around meeting our deadline for December.

Operator

operator
#35

Great. Two more questions, if I may. Mini-grid, has it turned on and in final commission yet?

Craig Coltman

executive
#36

I mean the mini-grid is progressing nicely. It really is. This system was supplied by CellCube filled with electrolyte during the third quarter of this year. We're currently undergoing site acceptance testing under various operating profiles. The Southern plant is really, really near completion at least 90% already installed. So we're on target to become fully operational by the end of the year. But I just want to emphasize to make sure there isn't unnecessary hype around this. The intention is and always that is still only going to provide 10% of the Vametco's electricity requirements.

Operator

operator
#37

Thank you. What is the timing of high-field slag delivery in 2024? Is there a pile weighting in the wings? What is the expected cost throughput impact of the slag?

Craig Coltman

executive
#38

This -- I'm very excited about this. I mean, I was talking to the guys from SPR earlier. They're going to I'm going to go visit their mines next week and their team. I don't know the answer to that. They've got to put a project plan together to resurrect the old Highveld steel plant and then see what the project plan looks like. But I'm very excited and passionate about this. So we do some desktop numbers. It all depends on the price we pay for slag. And of course, there's got to be an arm's length agreement between ourselves and SPR who are going to be the seller of slag. It needs to be ordering by a willing seller. Otherwise, there's unlikely to be the benefit that we would expect. But based on the current pricing, and I know this because I've been doing a lot of work on this space. Slag runs at about 1/3 of the vanadium price per kilogram. So around about $10, $11 per kilo. Based on that current pricing structure and is [indiscernible] deal, hopefully better. For every 1% of slag you put into the front end of the kiln, you blend it, we are beginning in the order of $150 million, just short of $2 million a year. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a lot for us $2 million a year. So 2%, you'll do just short of $4 million. We only get 50% of that [indiscernible]. The problem is slag is very, very high in silica content. Now a little earlier, we changed our mix to a 70% sodium carbonate, which is really good to counteract any significant silica. I think the jury is still out there, but we can't just put in 5% or 10% of slag because we're going to have a problem with silica buildup on the plant. We need to do other capital configuration changes. And I don't know what that's going to cost. So the plan would be first to feed in 1% or 2% maximum, in my view, when the slag is ready and see how the plant performs, but 1% will do in a shy a of $2 million. I think it would be premature to start thinking about reconfiguring plants and things like that to accommodate slag. Let's do baby steps, let's get the Highveld steel up and running SPR team to do that because they've got benefit. And then we'll very, very slowly bleed the percent or 2 of slag into the blend and see what the benefit size you have in vanadium, but of course, also a high [ silica ] content. And we don't want to get back to where we were in June, where 80% of the downtime of the kiln blockages were because of too high silica content. Granted, we were running 100% sodium sulfate then, and we've got a much better mix now to counteract that, but we've got to do it in piecemeal steps, one step at a time. But clearly, there's a huge benefit for us for slag. So SPR note, we all know they have a vested interest, we have a vested interest for them to redirect this Highveld plant and let's get the slag into the front end of the kiln at Vanchem soon as possible. That's more than you're asking for, but I feel excited about the prospect and the upside for us. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#39

That's great, Craig. A couple more questions here, Brits license, aside from the obvious contract cost, is there any reason to drop it?

Craig Coltman

executive
#40

Yes. I mean, -- there was a lot of things we took into account. I mean we've been sitting on it for too long. I think sometimes, you just got to make a decision and move on. Otherwise, it complicates things. I mean we consider the cost associated with the mining right application. There's costs associated with granting the mining right, including the development costs of the mine, not cheap. And we already have a mine that works and has got a 30-year life of mine conservatively. When you've got the consideration of the associated social and labor plan commitments and costs that will immediately be triggered once you got the license. Another point worthwhile mentioning is that in the vanadium value chain, the value -- the significant value lies with the plant beneficiation rather than the mine itself. So it also allows us to focus on our core assets. And then there's also no asset write-down those costs were previously expensed. All of those were taken into account up. I absolutely believe we made the right decision.

Operator

operator
#41

Okay. A bit of a long question here, but I think it talks to a number of other questions that you may receive. So let me read this one in full. What level of confidence as Mr. Coltman have in the financial restructuring, the operational challenges would eventually halt what appears to be a decline -- terminal decline. I appreciate that there may be certain caveats, but can he foresee a time when Bushveld can show reliably an output and demonstrate that my investment will someday show a return. If all goes well, where does Bushveld plan in 2 years' time? Will it again be an attractive investment opportunity and proposition will shareholders' confidence to be restored?

Craig Coltman

executive
#42

Sure. I could spend the whole day on this. I mean let's start with the reliable -- reliability of output. I'd like to believe we're starting to demonstrate some reliability. If you think of the Vanchem turnaround, we did all thereabout in terms of the turnaround initiative of 180 mtV. I get it some corners may require more sustainable production at levels to demonstrate more credibility, and I accept that. And that's where the focus has got to be in the short and medium term. But that's one enough to get us to winning ways. It just really gets us into the path of correction. There's lots that we still need to do. We're not great, I don't believe that a planned maintenance. And when you don't have a really good planned maintenance system that increases the risk of production volatility, that's not a quick fix. We've got to get better at managing the lead indicators. We're just putting in, I think, now appropriate lead indicators to tell us what's going on in the business at the front end of the value chain in the at the mill, the mag separator, operating efficiencies throughout the kiln. So we need a reliable reindicated data. So we can make informed decisions about the business. Then there's the cost containment measures. I could go on forever. We -- we're going to do an organizational redesign and to make sure we future fit because we're not now in terms of supporting the business. And that's going to result in more efficiencies in the business. There's just so many. We spend less than 50% of our spend other than payroll on supplies via contracts. And in the mining industry, the value of the spend, but whether you have got a contract in place versus not a contract is easy 10% or 15%. So if we put more suppliers on contract, do we negotiate better. We can get -- we can get 15% reduction in the costs. And if you look at the spend we have, for every -- so we do about just sort of 50% on contract spending, we take it from 50% to 60%, there's $1 million reduction in spend. That's a huge opportunity. But it's no good doing that unless we have proper contract management in place. So what I mean by contract management place of the end user who is accepting those services and signed the invoices have the skills to make sure that you're not being done in by the contractor, to make sure that you're getting your bang for buck so that whatever the scope of a contract we agree on, whether it's raw materials or services, the 15% reduction I talked about that the contract actually loss on that. So we've got to talk -- think about how we educate end users to be proper contract managers. In other words, operate the business that it was your own business. So it's eased or relatively easy to increase contract spend, but we don't want to do that without having proper end users trade in terms of managing contracts, what I call contract management, huge opportunity there. The capital allocation framework I don't want people to speak the way they do and say, "Oh, let's use that money for that. Let's use that money for that." We've got to separate the investment decision, the financing decision. I'm really very serious about that. We've got to do a proper capital investment appraisal. First, is the investment, whether it's SIB or expansion at dripping rates? If you have a bankable document, the bankable fees will document. The money will flow. But I'll get the money easily. That's the easy part. The difficult part is making sure that you have confidence in the investment where you're going to spend the money and we've got to get better at that. I just want to move back to SPR. If I think of the SPR guys. They run a whole lot of coal mines. They've done a couple of expansion projects. And what I'd like to do, and I'm going to go see them next week is what resources can they sub-con to us on an ad-hoc basis as and when we need it, rather than having our own resources. I think of project management skills, I've spoken about the benefit slag. But I hope they've got good project management skills. They say they have, let's see, because we can bring women to assist us on an ad-hoc basis if and when we do an expansion project rather than creating a structure of project management people. I can go on. There's a need for a cultural shift where we are simple, fast, effective. That we don't overanalyze everything that we get on to deliberate execution. That's a cultural shift. That you don't do tomorrow. I've got my ambassadors in my Eskom that I already disclaim the culture that I'm looking for. I'm going to be relying on them to help me lead this change in culture, where we're actually going to go out of the operations and roll out some of these procurement contract management process, I speak of. All of this, and I'll just touch on some of the aspects, we'll get the company to a much stronger position. But what I've got to do is it's about effort and benefit. I don't want to focus in the short term on efforts on where there's significant effort for low benefit. I've got to tease out those areas of opportunity where you can put -- where you get the maximum of benefit with the least amount of effort. Contract management is one of them. So that's hell of a long way of answering your question. Reliability is the one thing but that's not good enough. We need to address all these other issues. And I've got a plan. I've got a plan. We have some good and different things in the organization. We've got to make the good great and I've got a plan. So I think that hopefully answers the question. If it doesn't, you can try and clarify more in the chat box. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#43

That's great. Thank you very much indeed. If I could just please invite you just open up the Q&A box. There's a couple of more questions there that, if appropriate, if I could hand back to you. If I could just ask you to read out those questions.

Craig Coltman

executive
#44

Let me just move across you.

Operator

operator
#45

No problem. It's also take your time. I think we covered a lot of the other questions that have come in. It's kind of duplicate in nature, but there's a few that I don't know if there's any there that would be appropriate to respond to.

Craig Coltman

executive
#46

Can we assume that... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#47

Sorry, Craig, if I could just ask you to reconnect. That would be fantastic. Gentleman, please, just to bear with us while we reconnect they do have load trading in South Africa, which doesn't help with connections. But great can you hear us now?

Craig Coltman

executive
#48

I think you're right, lovely. So that part can be done. We don't have to wait for that. We go back here. I mean let me drive this laptop. But the other part, there needs to be.

Operator

operator
#49

Sorry, Craig. I think you may have just gone back on to mute there. I just ask you to refresh your browser there and just bring you back in Craig, just only one second. Apologies ladies and gentlemen I'm [indiscernible]. We've just got a number of questions that Craig might want to review. Can you give me one moment. Thank you very much indeed, while we reconnect. Request control there. Let me just connect you back into it. And then hopefully, you can hear me. Can you hear me there, Craig?

Craig Coltman

executive
#50

I can hear you.

Operator

operator
#51

So yes, if I could just ask you to read out the question again and then start again on that response, that would be fantastic. Thank you.

Craig Coltman

executive
#52

I don't know who's more frustrated here. So the question was, can we assume that Southern Point will want to wait until the loan restructure is done before proceeding with their transaction. I said on the state of the Vanchem, no, we all got a vested interest to get that done as soon as possible, but there will have to be alignment of the $12.5 million equity portion because the price at which they're going to come in is going to be the same as the [indiscernible]. So that needs to be done at the same time but not the sale. Just bear with me as I scroll down here. Is Craig enjoying the challenge of becoming CEO of Bushveld Minerals? [indiscernible]. I have my days. I think if you're enjoying the job, 80% of the time, you're in a good space. It's fantastic when things come together, and they do, and they are going to come together. The answer is yes, I am enjoying it. If -- I mean, I didn't know that the challenge is as significant as they are when I got here. Had I known that, I suppose the question is would I've taken the job? But I mean it now. So I'm here to win it. I've got -- I'm getting some incredible support from different corners. So 8 out of 10, the answer is yes I'm enjoying it. Let me keep scrolling down here, very small screen. Does -- Thank you for the presentation. Does Bushveld have a PR group to encourage EU to use VRFB for sustainability and environmental reason? No, we don't. No, we don't. I mean, we have some skills but we don't do that. But what I can tell you is I met the guy called [ Dean Peterson ]. He is the guy behind the 60% shareholding in CellCube and he is absolutely driving this vigorously. So they're much better skilled than we are to market that. And we'll take off the potential benefit of that. Given the fact that we've got a 40% stake in no controlling interest. We put our best relationship guy. We've got 1 seat on the board there to try and inference things and get the best out of it. See, there's only one more question. From media reports, vanadium batteries in China appear to be taking off at a large scale. Do you see any interest of Chinese battery manufacturers for electrolyte? Yes. I mean, we don't -- the answer is possibly yes, absolutely. But when I read the business model for our BELCO, which does electrolyte, the focus really is on the European market. At the time of putting the business plan get off at the BELCO, the thinking is we would sell a lot of electrolyte into CellCube. The landscape is very different now. We have to compete on a willing buyer, willing seller. I think it's difficult sometimes to compete with the Chinese market in terms of volumes. I have no doubt there's a huge demand there. But the scale of our plant in BELCO isn't in that sort of magnitude. So the current business plan is still to focus on the -- initially the European market. And there might be a lag, and we might not be producing batteries in South Africa. But what we are seeing in Namibia, for example, is some companies of bringing in the VRFB batteries into Namibia. And of course, a battery comes in without the electrolyte. You provide the electrolyte afterwards. And those sort of things are the opportunities for us to provide the electrolyte into those sort of batteries in Africa and hopefully, the scale will increase over time. That be answering more questions. Another one comes through. Sorry, I can see the other questions. Is the view to offload the CellCube holding or to continue the vertical integration plan. Look, I mean, I said to you that we have deliberated a lot on that. That's the energy space. We've standardized over it. I said to you that a decision is imminent, and I can assure you, when I mean imminent, I mean, in weeks and when that is made, we'll make an announcement to make sure all the Bushveld shareholders are informed accordingly. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#53

That's great, Craig. Thank you for your engagement and for taking all those questions from investors as we come up to time. Great. I know investor feedback will be particularly important to you, and I will shortly redirect people on the call to give you the feedback. But I wondered if I could before doing so, I just ask you for a few closing comments.

Craig Coltman

executive
#54

Sure. Yes, of course. Well, thank you for your time, firstly. I mean, these results reflect a very difficult time for the company. I'm confident that the actions we've taken already was going to bear fruit. We got a long way to go. We've got more to do in the second half, achieving our priorities. I've spoken about, consolidated production, the refinancing. And I've shared with you some of the other initiatives that are probably important to reduce costs and drive value. When we get that right the business will be very different going forward and a much more lean and efficient business. And that should then start to feed into much better financial numbers. Thank you for your time.

Operator

operator
#55

That's great. Craig. Thank you once again for updating investors. Could I please ask investors not to close this session as we're now automatically redirect you for the opportunity to provide your feedback in order that the company can better understand your views and expectations. This will only take a few moments to complete, but I'm sure it'll be greatly valued by the company. On behalf of the management team of Bushveld Minerals. We'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation. Apologies for the slight disconnection and have a very good rest of your day.

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