Cara Therapeutics, Inc. (CARA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 23, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon, and welcome to the Cara Therapeutics KORSUVA Injection FDA Approval Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] There will be a question-and-answer session at the end. Please be advised that this call is being recorded at Cara's request. I will now turn the call over to the Cara team. Please proceed.
Will Gramig
attendeeGood afternoon. This is Will Gramig with Stern Investor Relations, and welcome to Cara Therapeutics' KORSUVA Injection FDA Approval Conference Call. The news release became available just before 4 p.m. today and can be found on our website at www.caratherapeutics.com. You may also listen to a live webcast and replay of today's call on the Investors section of the website. Before we begin, let me remind you that statements made on today's call regarding matters that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Examples of these forward-looking statements include statements concerning the potential time line for launch of KORSUVA Injection, the potential time line for reimbursement and the potential of KORSUVA Injection to be a therapeutic option for CKD-aP in dialysis-dependent patients. Because such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Risks are described more fully in Cara's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission including the risk factors section of Cara's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020, and its other documents subsequently filed with or furnished to the Securities and Exchange Commission. All forward-looking statements made in today's call speak only as of the date on which they were made. Except to the extent required by law, Cara undertakes no obligation to update such statements to reflect events that occur or circumstances that exist after the date on which they were made. Participating on today's call are Dr. Derek Chalmers, Cara's President and CEO; Dr. Joana Goncalves, Cara's Chief Medical Officer; and Eric Vandal, Senior Vice President of Commercial. I'll now turn the call over to Dr. Chalmers.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks, Will, and good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for joining us. Today, we are very, very excited to announce that as of this afternoon, we received formal notification from the U.S. FDA that our lead product, KORSUVA Injection, has been approved for the treatment of moderate-to-severe pruritus associated with chronic kidney disease in adults undergoing hemodialysis in the United States. This approval serves as a real watershed moment for patients undergoing hemodialysis as KORSUVA Injection is now the first and only treatment approved by the FDA for chronic kidney disease-associated pruritus. Now pruritus in these patients is an intractable systemic itch that occurs with high frequency, has been consistently correlated with decreased quality of life, increased propensity for other comorbidities, including psychiatric disorders. And mainly related to increased risk of infections and systemic inflammation, pruritus has been identified as an independent predictor of increased mortality in hemodialysis patients. With currently employed antipruritic treatments such as antihistamines unable to provide consistent adequate relief, the approval of KORSUVA Injection today brings these patients one step closer to receiving the effective treatment, which has been severely lacking to this point. Before we get to the details of the prescribing information, let me summarize the main highlights of the approval and the label on Slide #5. So overall, we're very happy that the final label is consistent with our expectations based on our large Phase III dataset encompassing over 1,300 hemodialysis patients. Importantly, our preclinical and our clinical data has consistently indicated a lack of abuse potential and the absence of physical dependency with KORSUVA administration. And we're very pleased that the controlled substance staff at the FDA has acknowledged this and KORSUVA will not be a federally scheduled substance. Also importantly, KORSUVA is not metabolized through the liver. No liver enzyme interactions have been identified. And the molecule is excreted whole predominantly through the kidney. Consequently, Section 7 is absent from our PI with no drug-drug interactions identified. And this is, of course, an ideal characteristic for use in the heavily medication-burdened hemodialysis patients. In addition, based on the observed safety profile of KORSUVA through our Phase III program, no post-marketing studies are indicated at this time. So overall, we're extremely pleased with today's approval. We are now focused, as you're going to hear a little later, on working with our commercial partner, Vifor Pharma, to bring KORSUVA to patients as soon as we possibly can. Finally, I just want to point out that KORSUVA has been developed from first principle at Cara Laboratories from compound screening and optimization through the whole of preclinical and clinical development. And I'd like to recognize all of the Cara teams, present and past, who have worked so diligently through many years to bring this first-in-class compound to patients. Today's approval would not have been possible without their efforts. So with that, I'll now turn it over to Jo and Eric to detail the U.S. prescribing information and provide more color on the commercialization plans and the time lines for commercialization. So Jo, over to you.
Joana Goncalves
executiveThank you, Derek. As Derek previously stated, KORSUVA is indicated for the treatment of moderate-to-severe pruritus associated with chronic kidney disease in adults undergoing hemodialysis. The recommended dose, 0.5 microgram per kilogram, is administered by intravenous bolus injection into the venous line of the dialysis circuit at the end of each hemodialysis treatment. The dosage form and strengths are as follows, 65 microgram per 1.3 mils of difelikefalin. The FDA approval is based on 2 pivotal Phase III trials, KALM-1 and KALM-2, as well as additional safety trials and supporting clinical trials. KALM-1 was a U.S.-only based trial, and KALM-2 was a global trial. As a reminder, these trials are multicenter, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials to evaluate the safety and efficacy of KORSUVA Injection for the treatment of moderate-to-severe pruritus associated with chronic kidney disease in subjects undergoing hemodialysis. Subjects were randomized to either KORSUVA at a dose of 0.5 microgram per kilogram or placebo administered as an intravenous bolus injection at the end of the hemodialysis 3 times per week for 12 weeks. In both KALM-1 and KALM-2, there was a significantly greater proportion of subjects on KORSUVA who reported a clinically meaningful itch improvement compared to subjects on placebo. That is 40% of subjects in KALM-1 and 37% of subjects in KALM-2 achieved at least a 4-point improvement from baseline in the worst itch NRS score at week 12 compared to 21% and 26% of subjects on placebo, respectively. In addition, subjects on KORSUVA experienced rapid and sustained itch relief, as you can see in the 2 graphs which are included in the prescribing information. Moving on to the safety highlights of the KORSUVA prescribing information. KORSUVA is approved without any contraindications. Warnings and precautions include dizziness, somnolence, mental status changes and gait disturbances. Centrally acting depressant medications, sedating antihistamines and opioid analgesic should be used with caution during treatment with KORSUVA. Patients are advised not to drive or operate dangerous machinery until the effect of KORSUVA on a patient's ability to drive or operate machinery is known. The most common adverse reactions in greater than 2% of KORSUVA-treated subjects and greater than or equal to 1% higher than placebo include diarrhea, dizziness, nausea, gait disturbances including falls, hyperkalemia, headache, somnolence and mental status change. As you can see on this slide, this is the adverse reactions table that is included in the label with the most common adverse reactions and their respective incidents. I'll now turn the call over to Eric Vandal, our Senior VP of Commercial, to discuss KORSUVA Injection's commercial planning and readiness. Over to you, Eric.
Eric Vandal
executiveThanks, Jo, and good afternoon, everybody, and thanks a lot for joining us today. I would like to start by providing a quick overview of the market for KORSUVA Injection for chronic kidney disease-associated pruritus in hemodialysis patients. Currently in the U.S., there are more than 500,000 patients on hemodialysis. 60% of these patients have some level of pruritus, and roughly 40% of the total hemodialysis patient population or approximately 200,000 patients have moderate-to-severe pruritus. And this will be our target patient population based on our indication in our label. If you go to the next slide. If we have -- with the FDA approval of KORSUVA Injection, this significant patient population will now finally have access to an approved treatment option for their moderate-to-severe pruritus. To gain this approval, Cara conducted the largest worldwide clinical development program in hemodialysis patients with chronic kidney disease-associated pruritus. And because there are no approved therapies to treat moderate-to-severe pruritus for this patient population, KORSUVA will help fill a significant unmet medical need. And as such, the FDA awarded KORSUVA with breakthrough therapy designation and priority review. As a reminder, the 2 criteria for breakthrough therapy and priority review are: one, the product must treat a serious medical condition; and two, the clinical evidence indicates that the drug may demonstrate substantial improvement over available therapy on clinically significant endpoints. Let's shift our attention to the projected U.S. launch time line. Earlier this year, with our partner, Vifor, we initiated disease state education to help educate health care providers on the prevalence and pathophysiology of chronic kidney disease-associated pruritus in hemodialysis patients. And following our approval today, we expect to file both our TDAPA and HCPCS applications in the third quarter of 2021 and plan to commence disease state education via the Vifor sales team also starting in the fourth quarter of 2021. In the first quarter of 2022, we plan to begin our full promotional launch of KORSUVA through the Vifor sales team. We also anticipate to have both our TDAPA and HCPCS applications approved and providing reimbursement to dialysis organizations and patients during the first half of 2022. As a reminder, Cara executed a strategic license agreement with Vifor Pharma in the fourth quarter of 2020 for the expanded commercialization of KORSUVA Injection in all U.S. dialysis clinics. The decision to partner with Vifor for the launch of KORSUVA injection was made based on Vifor's established nephrology sales force and strong relationships with U.S. dialysis organizations. Vifor has an established nephrology commercial organization in the U.S. with more than 50% of its corporate net sales generated in the U.S. Vifor has over 100 sales representatives in the U.S. market and provides extensive access and strong relationships with the large dialysis organizations, the midsized dialysis organizations and the independent dialysis organizations as well as nephrologists and other key stakeholders in the dialysis space. Additionally, Vifor brings an established market access team as well as an existing supply chain infrastructure. And because of their well-established infrastructure and expertise in nephrology as well as the dialysis space,and their partnership with Fresenius, Vifor has developed a strong portfolio of nephrology products, which includes Veltassa, Mircera, Velphoro and Retacrit. And as such, we believe Vifor is an excellent commercial partner to help us maximize KORSUVA Injection's market potential. And with that, I will now turn the call back over to the operator for question and answer.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jessica Fye, JPMorgan.
Daniel Wolle
analystThis is Daniel for Jessica Fye. A couple for us. First, what's the typical time line for reimbursement negotiation with CMS? And is there an opportunity for CMS to provide feedback on reimbursement and for subsequent launch to occur in early 2022? And second, in your view, do you see the warning language on the label regarding dizziness, somnolence and mental status changes affecting prescription to patients?
Derek Chalmers
executiveGreat. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. Eric, why don't you address the CMS time line for review? And then maybe, Jo, you could talk a little bit about the warnings on the label.
Eric Vandal
executiveSure, I'll start with the timing of TDAPA. Well, as I stated earlier in my section, we will be filing both our applications for TDAPA and our HCPCS codes in the coming weeks by the end -- before the end of the third quarter. And depending on time lines of reviewing both applications, we anticipate getting reimbursement in the first half of 2022. And we currently plan a promotional launch for KORSUVA Injection in the first quarter of -- yes, in the first quarter of 2022.
Derek Chalmers
executiveAnd Jo, do you want to talk about the -- yes, the warning on the label?
Joana Goncalves
executiveSure. Yes. So the adverse drug reactions included in the proportions and warning section is important information for prescribers so that they can manage the patients appropriately when prescribing KORSUVA. We don't think that this will be a limitation for using KORSUVA as KORSUVA is the only drug indicated for pruritus. And drugs that they've used in the past that were used off-label have actually greater dizziness and somnolence than KORSUVA has if you look at the incidence numbers. So we don't think this will be a limitation.
Derek Chalmers
executiveAn example of that, Jo, would be something like gabapentin, right?
Joana Goncalves
executiveRight, exactly. Gabapentin and pregabalin, if you look at the prescribing information, pregabalin, the dizziness is up to about 30% incidence. So we don't think that will be a limitation for the drug.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Chris Howerton of Jefferies.
Chris Howerton
analystGreat. Congratulations on the approval, Derek. I know this has been a lot of work and a lot of time, so really, congratulations to you and the rest of the team.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks, Chris.
Chris Howerton
analystAbsolutely. So I guess for me, maybe just going back to the reimbursement, is the -- what can we -- how are we thinking about pricing at this point? Is this a negotiation that you have to have with CMS? Is there some sort of guidance you can provide to us ahead of that time? And as the corollary to that, is the price going to be set, at least during the TDAPA period, at commercial launch? Or will we know that ahead of time? And then if I may, just a very short follow-up is, is there any CMC work or drug supply issues that are holding up launch? Or is it simply just the logistics and the paperwork stuff?
Derek Chalmers
executiveGreat. Thanks, Chris. I can answer the second question. No, there's no issues whatsoever with drug supply. So the timing on the launch is all related to applications for TDAPA and clarity on our reimbursement code, as Eric was talking to. So I'll let Eric talk a little bit about where we are on our pricing review. Eric?
Eric Vandal
executiveYes, sure. So sort of a multipart question related to price. First part of the price is it's not a negotiation with CMS. That's not how it works. We would set our WAC price, and then we would get reimbursed on initially at our WAC price. But then eventually under TDAPA, we would get reimbursed at the average selling price, not plus 0, so not average selling price plus 6%. So we haven't finalized the price yet. We haven't completed all of our pricing research and work to date. And we're in discussion with Vifor, our commercial partners, to determine our final pricing and contracting strategy for KORSUVA Injection. And we anticipate to have that final decision in the coming weeks here. I'm trying to remember what the other part of your question was. Would you mind...
Chris Howerton
analystNo, that was basically it.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. Okay.
Chris Howerton
analystYes, like the timing. And you basically just said that, so that's cool. Okay.
Eric Vandal
executiveOkay.
Chris Howerton
analystAll right. I'll hop back in the queue. I appreciate it.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThank you, Chris.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from David Amsellem of Piper Sandler.
David Amsellem
analystSo I got a couple of questions on the commercial landscape. Is it your expectation that you're going to see patients step through gabapentin or pregabalin or antihistamines before getting KORSUVA? Or do you expect that because this is an on-label use and it's sort of -- not sort of but it is first of its kind in terms of the indication, that you think you're going to be able to garner a lot of share in terms of just frontline usage in these moderate-to-severe pruritics? What's the best way to think about that at least early in the commercial launch?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes, thanks, David. Eric, do you want to relay our thoughts on that?
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. Yes, sure. So actually, we did quite a bit of market research in this area to understand how doctors see it utilized. I think conservative therapies will still be utilized on this first line. Now keep in mind, many of these patients have been itching for years and have tried many of these first-line agents and so, for example, the emollients and creams and things like that because they have dry skin, and it's important to actually keep the skin moisturized. They may try antihistamines. They may or may not stay on them. Where we see the product fitting is right after those conservative therapies, many of which don't actually control these patients' itching and prior to using a product like gabapentin or pregabalin. And that's what was fed back to us by nephrologists when we talked through the profile with them. So that's kind of where we see it fit. Many of these patients have already tried and failed many of these options, so they might actually be able to initiate therapy right away on the drug because most of these patients have had itching for quite some time.
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. Just to remind you, David, just on the, if you like, current standard of care, I think approximately 40% of the patients we had in our Phase III program were concomitantly taking antihistamines and still qualifying with moderate-to-severe pruritus for randomization. So we -- the science has known for some time the histamine-dependent mechanism for chronic pruritus. And now thankfully, the therapeutics have caught up with the science here, and this is really the first therapeutic that directly addresses the pruritic pathway.
David Amsellem
analystRight. And if I may sneak in a follow-up, just what's the therapeutic dose for gabapentin as an antipruritic? And then what's the incidence of somnolence at that therapeutic dose as an antipruritic?
Derek Chalmers
executiveThat's one for Jo. Jo, do you know what those figures are?
Joana Goncalves
executiveYes. So the dosing is uptitrated to usually effect, so to what the patient can tolerate. And of course, in this patient population, it's the dizziness that becomes an issue. In their label, I don't believe it's -- I can't recall exactly the number, I believe it's in the 20s. Pregabalin is a little bit more -- it's clearer because it's a newer drug, and so it's 30%. And I believe it's -- yes, it's 20%, it's around 20%. Somnolence and dizziness is 20% in gabapentin. But it is an uptitrated dose. I'm not quite sure at exactly what point that was experienced, at what dose. Yes, so sorry, David, I can't provide you with more information. It's not really set clear when those effects were seen.
David Amsellem
analystThat's helpful. I was just trying to get at what the somnolence rate are for the gabapentinoids. So that answered the question.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks, David.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Jason Gerberry of Bank of America.
Chi Meng Fong
analystThis is Chi Meng for Jason. I guess first one is just a follow-up on the dizziness and drowsiness. There's language around warning against driving right after the medication, and there's some language around that. You need to make sure the patient is okay to drive and operate machinery before people then go on to do their task. So I'm just curious, how do you practically see the reality of this driving warning playing out and whether you see that as being a drag or not on the utilization? Maybe if you can speak to how often these patients drive themselves home after dialysis, that will be helpful as well.
Derek Chalmers
executiveSure. Thanks, Chi. Jo, do you want to take that one?
Joana Goncalves
executiveRight. So that will ultimately be a discussion between the nephrologist and the patient -- the treatment nephrologist and the patient and weighing up the -- and when looking at the adverse drug reactions, when we look at the data, patients experiencing dizziness was 6.8% with 3.8% in placebo and 4.2% and 2.4% for the somnolence. So it really is the minority of patients who experience these adverse reactions. So again, it will be based on the discussion. And not all patients, as we said, 90-plus percent of patients won't experience it. So they don't, and they should be fine to drive, but that will be up to the prescribing physician to make the decision with the patients.
Chi Meng Fong
analystGot it. I'm just curious, based on the clinical trial experience, are -- how are these patients monitored of their ability to drive home and whatnot? Are they sort of like have a waiting area, sit there and wait for 30 minutes just to make that they're okay? I'm just curious what kind of procedures you see dialysis centers take, may potentially implement to mitigate that potential risk of drowsiness that may cause the patient's inability to drive?
Joana Goncalves
executiveAnd in fact, I mean, as you can see here, there is an adverse reaction. But as you may know, hemodialysis patients post dialysis are incredibly fatigued. They themselves already have some fluid shift repercussion such as feeling dizziness, et cetera, so many of these patients don't drive home on their own anyway. And so there are precautions already taken for these patients not specific to drugs but just the process of hemodialysis. So that would bode well with taking the drug.
Chi Meng Fong
analystGot it. And maybe just another one from me. You talked about some of these patients are already on antihistamines. So I'm just curious, there is also safety language around advice against -- caution against using sedating antihistamines along with IV KORSUVA. How do you see that sort of play out? Do you think physicians would still combine the use of antihistamine with IV KORSUVA? Or do you think that they may have to pick and choose one or the other?
Joana Goncalves
executiveAnd maybe, Eric, you can speak to this as well.
Eric Vandal
executiveSure.
Joana Goncalves
executiveBut to date, they haven't had other options. So antihistamines were the predominant antipruritic agent used. But obviously, with the approval of KORSUVA for the indication specifically for this patient population, that could change. But Eric, maybe you can speak more to that.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. So good question. A couple of things. One, I think Jo hit the nail on the head with specifically saying that they don't have a lot of options, and so they give them sedating antihistamine. Typically, doctors or nephrologists admit they don't work very well. And a lot of times, they give them to patients to help them sleep at night because it doesn't help with the itch. I would envision that many doctors would probably -- could remove their antihistamine if it's not really helping their itch and utilize our product. I imagine some doctors will probably add our product on top of that. And keep in mind, and Jo, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe our clinical trials, we did add our drug on top of it. So it's not like we haven't seen that being done and actually have patients have good results with it. There is a caution to -- in our label to monitor the patient if they are on both. But I think it would -- I think many of our nephrologists would probably opt for KORSUVA.
Chi Meng Fong
analystThis is helpful. Maybe just one last follow-up from me. I think management has talked about maybe site analogs, and that had a pricing in the $10,000 to $12,000 range as sort of the analog for how sell side could potentially think about the pricing of IV KORSUVA. I'm curious if you have any updated thoughts on the pricing of IV KORSUVA based on the label language that you have seen today?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. No, just as Eric indicated earlier, Chi, we've done our pricing research with our commercial partner. That's under review, and we'll be announcing a price point in due course prior to the launch.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Annabel Samimy of Stifel.
Annabel Samimy
analystCongratulations from me as well. Just a couple here. So as far as the education plans are concerned, can you talk about how you're going to roll that out at Novo Conference directly? And who's specifically responsible for it? Are you going to have any role in that whatsoever?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. I'll leave that to Eric, but that's -- the commercial education is actually going to be directed by Vifor from here on in, Annabel. But Eric, do you want to add some color to that?
Eric Vandal
executiveNo, I think that's it. I think our next big meeting is ASN in the fall, and that would be our sort of launch meeting from the medical side. And the Vifor team would be on point for that. Obviously, the Cara team will be supporting them both on the medical and the commercial side and whatever we can to help them be successful in launching the drug.
Annabel Samimy
analystGot it. Okay. And then just going back to reimbursement, I know since CMS have been ruling out for all drugs approved post 2020, it seems that TDAPA is a relatively straightforward process. Do you have -- are there any examples of that not working? So is there any risk that you don't get TDAPA for one reason or another?
Eric Vandal
executiveNo. So you're absolutely right on TDAPA. So the rule reads that all new drugs after January 1, 2020, will qualify for TDAPA. The key is the definition of new drugs, and the CMS defines it by NDA type. And KORSUVA is an NDA Type 1, which means it's a new molecular entity. And NDA Type 1 will qualify for TDAPA. So we envision that we will get that. Every approval in the space will have to be depending on what their NDA type is and whether they will get it or not. And we're the first company to -- will be going through TDAPA in this new revised version. Of course, parts of it went through, but that was under a different set of rules for TDAPA. So there's no example of someone not getting it, but we do anticipate to get that.
Annabel Samimy
analystOkay. And one last question that's kind of related. Is -- after they make an adjustment post 2 or 3 years, I think it was 2 years, 3 years, I can't remember now, but after that TDAPA period, is there -- I know that there is an issue with parts of this getting the appropriate pricing probably because there are other options available to them. Do you have any worry about not being able to get an adjustment to the bundle post the TDAPA period?
Eric Vandal
executiveYes, so a couple of things. So we're a little bit different than Parsabiv. Parsabiv went into the bundle with Sensipar and generic Sensipar. So what went into the bundle was a blended rate across all 3 products, not just a rate for Parsabiv. So we would be very different. Once we go into the bundle, it would be just our branded product. So that's sort of the major difference between what happened with Parsabiv and what we see happening once we go into the bundle.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Charles Duncan of Cantor Fitzgerald.
Charles Duncan
analystYes. And Derek, let me add my congratulations to you and the team for this approval.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks, Charles.
Charles Duncan
analystLong time coming but well done. So a quick question regarding pricing, but it really isn't about pricing, it's more about pharmacoeconomic analysis. And I guess I'm wondering if you could remind us as to what are some of the key considerations that you have in thinking through the pricing of the drug. What is the main clinical value for patients?
Derek Chalmers
executiveGo ahead, Eric.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. So obviously, we presented -- so that's a complicated question. So pricing is a complicated issue. Obviously, the clinical benefit is actually we're providing itch relief for these patients that have never had it, and it's a significant impact on the patient's quality of life. That's hard to define and actually measure and put an easy economic value on it. There are other areas potentially down the road to look at in pharmacoeconomic, in ADR studies. It's hard to do in your clinical development program because the numbers are pretty small. And to see differences in a small, short-term study usually are hard. But certainly, there are areas we will look to during the TDAPA period to collect pharmacoeconomic data, which justifies utilization of the product. I'm trying to think, does that answer your question, Charles? Or...
Charles Duncan
analystYes. Yes, understood that it's complex. But I think you addressed it. We look forward to that additional pricing information.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. And the other thing that's just last thing on that is we've done actually quite a bit of pricing research, both with payer organizations and dialysis organizations, and working through what scenarios look like to best optimize the pricing point.
Charles Duncan
analystOkay. And then a follow-up question regarding Vifor and the terms. I know you probably haven't disclosed specifics, but could you remind us whether or not there are any revenue milestones or changes in terms of the royalty rate with regard to the sales of the product over time?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. So on the U.S., Charles, the next upcoming milestone is, with the approval today, there's a $50 million equity investment from Vifor, and that will be at a premium to our stock price. And in addition to that, you'll recall we had a 2018 license agreement with Vifor Fresenius related to co-promotion in Fresenius clinics in the U.S. And per that license agreement, there's an additional $15 million, 1-5, payment due upon approval. So in totality, there's $65 million related to approval of the product. And then in the U.S., there's a set of commercial milestones of $240 million in total, which we'll be eligible for, which are obviously tiered in relation to commercial sales. And as you recall overall, in the non-Fresenius clinics, there's actually a profit share arrangement here in the U.S., 60% Cara, 40% Vifor. And within Fresenius clinics, it's a 50-50 profit split.
Charles Duncan
analystAnd then last question for you is with -- this is a big milestone for any company to get the first product approved. So I guess I'm wondering, as you think about the implications for investment in the pipeline and new candidates, I guess, any kind of change in your perspective on that or conviction?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. Well, I think as you're aware, Charles, we have a very strong balance sheet presently. And that approval on the prospect of revenue in the next couple of quarters is only going to strengthen that balance sheet. And as we continue to develop the oral formulation for KORSUVA and really multiple clinical populations, we're going to have this income advantage that's going to be initiated here, which is going to fund that other part of the pipeline development. So yes, very significant to get the approval and equally significant that we have these existing advantageous license agreements that are going to help us drive the other part of the business related to oral KORSUVA development, which, of course, broadens the application for KORSUVA beyond hemodialysis and then to other patient populations, as you're aware. So yes, this is very, very important for the long-term strategy.
Charles Duncan
analystIt's a big deal. Congrats.
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Joseph Stringer of Needham & Company.
Joseph Stringer
analystEveryone, congrats on the approval. Two commercial questions on that before elaborating here. The first is on the profit share agreement. And just curious, where people sort of establish commercial organization in the U.S. and the strong efforts they have, what are your initial thoughts on sort of operating margins for the drug here in the U.S. at least in the early sort of sense of that relative to perhaps some other margins with other similar drugs? And second question is on the penetration into Fresenius versus non-Fresenius clinics. What are your expectations on the relative contribution that is -- the contributions on U.S. sales for each of those market segments?
Derek Chalmers
executiveThanks, Joey. Eric, do you want to take that in terms of operating projections and expenses for KORSUVA?
Eric Vandal
executiveYes, I'm not -- I guess, were you asking relative to other products with Vifor. Is that your question?
Joseph Stringer
analystIt could be relative to other Vifor products, but maybe just your initial thoughts for KORSUVA operating margins.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. For Vifor, I mean we have a profit share. We expect to have a good gross profit. The other advantage that Vifor has is they have an existing sales infrastructure that is already paid for through their other product lines. So instead of having to add sales representatives in order to promote the product, they're adding it to the existing bag in infrastructure, which creates efficiency for them. So I think there's a lot of value to them by adding this product to the bag because it doesn't increase -- have a significant increase in head count in order to promote the product. And a lot of that profitability, gross profit split with Cara will fall heavily to their -- directly to their bottom line. And the second question you had asked about Fresenius versus other organizations, is that...
Joseph Stringer
analystYes.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes, obviously, we're hopeful that our relationship with Vifor and their relationship with Fresenius will help us get off to a very quick start at the Fresenius organization. But that's not -- I think our Vifor partners have good relationships with DaVita and the midsize, so I would expect those to do well as well. But we're hopeful that Fresenius leave me more accelerated given their relationship.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Oren Livnat of H.C. Wainwright.
Oren Livnat
analystCongrats to everybody there. I want to follow up on that last question about profitability. There's a huge range in revenue assumptions on the sell side for you guys for next year, and I assume the big variable is obviously the profitability. Can you just confirm, firstly, that whatever revenue you're recognizing, that is, in fact, the operating profit split? Gross margin is obviously a part of that. But after whatever commercial spend they allocate to this product and gross cost, obviously, that's where you'll be seeing your 50% or 60% share. And then I guess, you just mentioned that they don't need to add material head count. But can you confirm, is this going to be promoted by all 100 or 100-plus reps in the U.S. in the first position? And do you think this is going to require a major promotional or marketing spend? Because some of these numbers that The Street has suggest dramatic profitability in the first year of sales, and normally, we don't see that in launches, first year, big operating profit. Can you just help us maybe all get on the same page?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes. Eric, do you want to talk to the promotion aspect to that? And then maybe, Oren, just quickly, yes, the revenue we're going to recognize is going to be the revenue minus the marketing fee associated with Vifor's costs on distribution and marketing, and then we split that afterwards. So there's no outweigh from Cara in essence as we launch the drug, but there is a consideration for distribution and marketing fee related to Vifor's activities. And then, Eric, do you want to talk about the promotion activity for Vifor?
Eric Vandal
executiveYes, sure. So a couple components to that. So you first mentioned around the sort of the profitability and efficiency. So it's quite an efficient model because it's a highly, highly consolidated market. So keep in mind, DaVita and Fresenius represent about 80% of the overall dialysis space. If you add the next 4 midsized dialysis, you're up to about 90% of the market in 6 major customers. A lot of that can be driven top down. So that will create a level of efficiency from a promotional standpoint. Also, the nephrology specialty is a relatively small specialty compared to a lot of other pharma specialties, and it doesn't require primary care where you get into significant resources to get to it, including a large sales force. So it's a relatively efficient model to get to, so I think you can see pretty quick uptakes. We've seen that with the last product to launch into this space, you see a fairly significant uptake. And if you've got an existing infrastructure in place that you're leveraging and not adding to that, you can have pretty efficient profitability margins. So -- and I forgot what the second part of your question was related to the margin.
Oren Livnat
analystWell, I mean you mentioned revenue in the next couple of quarters. So that implies operating profits almost out of the gates. And theoretically, that's possible. That's not something that we're typically used to seeing, right, like operating profit. So if you're allocating 100 reps in the first position, that was part of my question, some carrying cost of that sales force is automatically getting slapped on to this product, right?
Eric Vandal
executiveCorrect.
Oren Livnat
analystSo I guess I just want to understand how quickly we'll see revenue basically for you guys.
Eric Vandal
executiveSo Derek, do you want to...
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes, go ahead, Eric.
Eric Vandal
executiveYes. So again, to answer your question on the sales force and allocating a part of its sales force, so there's a difference between an allocation and actual increase in expenses, right? So you can allocate a portion of that. In our agreement with Vifor Fresenius, we have an agreed-upon percentage from the promotional amount that's subtracted from the overall gross profit, then we share that, if I'm correct in my assumption, Derek. Is that right?
Derek Chalmers
executiveYes.
Eric Vandal
executiveSo we would expect to generate profit from that pretty early on. Does that answer your question?
Oren Livnat
analystYes.
Eric Vandal
executiveOkay.
Operator
operatorThank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Derek Chalmers for any closing remarks.
Derek Chalmers
executiveOkay. And thank you, everybody, for participating in this afternoon's call. I'd also like to thank the entire Cara team, our study investigators and all of the patients who have participated and continue to participate in our clinical trials. And we look forward to updating you again very, very soon. Thank you, everybody.
Operator
operatorThank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may all disconnect. Have a great day.
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