Central Petroleum Limited (CTP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 4, 2022

Australian Securities Exchange AU Energy Oil, Gas and Consumable Fuels earnings 43 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Leon Devaney

executive
#1

Good morning. Welcome to our August webinar covering Central Petroleum's June quarter results and updates on our various business activities. I'm Leon Devaney, CEO of Central Petroleum, and I'm joined today by our CFO, Damian Galvin. [Operator Instructions] Let's begin with our quarterly highlights. As I mentioned in my quarterly report cover letter, we've had a few cross currents impact the business. Oil and gas markets have reached historical highs, and recent market reports suggest that tight energy markets will continue into at least next year. On the other hand, we continue to see cost pressures across the business. We did a great job managing these costs within our operations as evident in our financial results, but escalating costs have had a big impact on our current drilling program at Palm Valley. The budget for the Palm Valley 12 well was put under further pressure by very difficult drilling conditions at its crestal location. In response to these factors, we revised our drilling program to focus on capital management and near-term production, which I'll talk to more later on in the presentation. We had other wins during the quarter as well. Our team did a great job keeping operating costs low and production up, which has underpinned our solid quarterly financial results. We completed our debt extension, which is a great result given the many challenges our sector is experiencing in the debt capital markets at the moment. And we also secured nonfirm transportation, which was just in time to supply gas into a very tight East Coast gas market which has really helped to offset other cost increases within the business. At this point, I'll hand it over to Damian to present our quarterly financial results.

Damian Galvin

executive
#2

Thanks, Leon. Look, it's another strong quarter. The high demand for gas has meant that we sold pretty much everything we could produce. That's 1.2 petajoule equivalent in the quarter. Now this was 6.5% lower than the previous quarter though, as the Northern Gas Pipeline was down for maintenance for more than a week in late May, early June. And while volumes were lower, the sales revenues were significantly higher, were up 18.7% on the March quarter at $10.1 million. Obviously, it's been hard to miss the turmoil in the energy markets this winter. We've seen regulators cap electricity and gas prices as off-line coal-fired electricity generation was replaced with gas field peakers. Fortunately, for May, we've been able to supply all of our uncontracted production, that's about 15% of our production capacity to support customers in the spot market. And as a result, our realized gas price was up 31% on the March quarter average. Now there's some transportation costs to be borne out of this, but those spot sales have added approximately $2 million to our top line in just 2 months. The other 85% of our production is contracted at fixed prices over varying terms with CPI escalation courses. So that continues to provide an increasing revenue base as well. Oil prices, obviously, also remained high through the quarter. They're up 9% on the March quarter. You can see on the chart that we've seen steady revenue increases over the last 2 quarters. Notwithstanding that volumes have been relatively steady, we booked revenues of $42.2 million for the full financial year. [indiscernible] to compare that to the $60 million in the previous year due to our reduced ownership interest from October. But if you get your calculator out and you pro rata last year's revenues, we're up about 13% on a like-for-like basis off the back of like-for-like volumes that are 2% lower due to field decline, et cetera. So overall, we certainly experienced some market tailwinds this quarter, and that's reflected in our June quarter cash flows. We've got $6.8 million of positive cash flow from our production operations, and a June cash balance of $21.6 million. In addition, we've got about $21 million of carry funds still available to complete the Palm Valley well, which is currently drilling, and for future development. Looking at our debt quickly. Our $31 million debt and net debt of $10.2 million at June is the lowest level for many years, and we've just recently extended with our 3 years on very similar terms. So we've reduced the principal repayments down to about $1.1 million per quarter. And we've included a provision to increase the facility to provide flexibility and additional development if required such as the additional financial flexibility going forward. Just to round off on the strength of the market. You can see from the pricing chart here that we've seen several months of extraordinarily high prices. And it's only since May that we've had in place to transport gas all the way around to customers in Southeastern Australia. So previously, all of our gas was delivered in the Northern Territory, but with some of our customers [indiscernible] and beyond, if required, which some of them did. These new arrangements mean that the 15% of our gas, which is currently not committed under firm contracts, can be sold to customers in Melbourne, Sydney, Wallumbilla or anywhere in between. So as a result, whereas we may otherwise have sold that gas in the Northern Territory for $5 to $6, $7 a gigajoule, in the June quarter, we averaged $34 a gigajoule for that excess gas at various delivery points in Eastern states. Now that pricing is not going to last forever, and it has probably already peaked for this winter. But you can see why there is an additional incentive for us to do what we can to increase our gas production in the near term to supply into that strong market. So may I hand the mic back to Leon at this point to get his views on where the market's at.

Leon Devaney

executive
#3

Thanks, Damian. I'd just like to add that our commercial team did a great job pulling together the transportation and access arrangements that allowed us to sell into the spot markets over the past few months. And as you can see from the chart, the timing was incredibly fortunate. We are also negotiating term sales for firm gas supply from 2023. Not surprisingly, the term market isn't as elevated as the spot market prices that we've seen over the past few months, but it is still very strong even compared to what we were looking at a year ago with most forecasts suggesting continued tightness in the gas market. There has been some recent discussion of government intervention in the domestic gas market, which I think will keep a lid on the very high spot prices going forward. But fundamentally, global energy markets are tight, and I think this will continue to flow through to domestic markets and provide a strong incentive for gas suppliers like Central to increase near-term production. Unfortunately, the regulatory and political challenges facing new gas exploration and development in Australia continues to increase, which will ultimately reduce supply and drive volatility in higher domestic gas prices. A sensible energy plan needs to be developed by government, which promotes new supplies of gas and recognizes the gas industry as a transition fuel in support of the development of more robust renewable energy solutions over the long term. Moving on to our drilling program update. Let me start with the recent changes we made to the drilling program. In short, we swapped the deep exploration target at Palm Valley with an appraisal lateral into the Pacoota 2 and Pacoota 3 formations. And we also removed the Dingo exploration well from the program in order to free up funding for projects that will increase near-term production at Mereenie. There were several things driving these program changes. First, we are tracking well over budget for the Palm Valley 12 well due to general cost increases and very difficult drilling conditions. We did anticipate some fractures, but what we ran into at the Palm Valley 12 crestal location was really on another level. And each time we hit a major fracture, we essentially had to stop and fill it with cement. This had a huge impact, both on the schedule and budget. The second consideration is that our drilling program is being funded through a free carry, which is capped at $40 million. This means that we have to essentially adjust our activities to fit within our budgets. And in doing so, we really want to make sure that the investments we do make give us the biggest bang for the buck. Third, we did see gas shows and fracturing in the P2 and P3 formations when we drilled vertically through them, which made it a very attractive target for new reserves at Palm Valley. It's potentially comparable in size to the deeper exploration target that we did give up, but it has lower risk, and it is easier to develop in a success case given it's much shallower. So for those reasons, it's a very compelling alternative to continuing to drill to the deeper targets. And finally, the gas markets, as I've talked about, are providing clear incentive to quickly increase production. That's something we can't easily do at Dingo, but we can through projects like recompletions and new development wells at Mereenie. Personally, I very much wanted to get to the deep exploration targets in this drilling campaign, but the targets are still there. And the revised program does give us the best chance to have the financial capacity to be able to come back to those exploration targets without massive dilution to shareholders. The current status of the Palm Valley 12 well is that we are about 2,070 meters in measured depth. We're still building the bend from vertical to horizontal. And we are just in the early stages of penetrating the lower P2 sandstone target. We have about 900 meters of lateral yet to drill for this appraisal part. So really, it's just the beginning of the appraisal drilling for this particular location. Besides the presence of gas, which we have already seen in the P2 and P3, there are 2 key things that we're looking for over the next couple of weeks as we continue our lateral drilling. The first is we want to intersect as many significant fractures as possible. And the second, we want to see good gas pressure within the formation. As I mentioned before, the P2, P3 target at Palm Valley could be similar in size to the original Palm Valley Deep exploration target, and at half the depth, it would be much easier and quicker to develop. As has always been the case, if we don't have success drilling the P2 and P3 lateral, we will drill a lateral into the shallower P1 formation and have another crack at increasing production, which is really the key objective given current markets. Let's take a look at the Range Gas project. We continued our pilot testing over the quarter. So far, the pilot wells have been on test production for about 120 days. Gas production has ramped up to around 40,000 standard cubic feet per day, indicating the presence of fully saturated coals. But water production rates are lower than anticipated, which suggests longer dewatering and gas ramp-up time frames. We expect the peak gas rate is some time away. So the plan, at this point, is to continue testing the pilot wells through the end of the year. It is worth noting that we have recently entered into a data swap arrangement with a neighboring permit, which should give us some really interesting and useful technical insight on the field. Turning our attention to sub-salt exploration. The sub-salt exploration program has been moving forward. Our joint venture meetings with Santos as operator demonstrate that all 3 sub-salt wells are being progressed, and the program is on track for commencement next year. A rig tender invitation will be issued shortly, which will help obviously firm up the drilling schedule. We recently announced a further extension of the Peak farm-out completion to the end of August. Obviously, we want the transaction closed as soon as possible so we can start to benefit from the free carry. But I am comfortable that the transaction will complete soon, and the recent extension isn't slowing down the drilling program in any way. This map highlights our current key activities. I've already spoken to the committed activities shown in blue. So I'll just say a few words about the activities that we have not yet committed to, which are shown in green. You'll see we've added the recompletions and development wells at Mereenie following the announcement of our revised drilling program. These still need to be approved by the joint venture, but they appear to be compelling investments given current gas markets. Planning has begun. And I think these will be approved by the joint venture for completion over the next year. Seismic and exploration drilling at our Zevon prospect remains subject to funding. We are currently progressing cultural heritage approvals for the seismic program and are actively pursuing farm-out opportunities. Much like our 3 sub-salt prospects in the South, the Zevon prospect is also targeting hydrocarbons as well as helium and hydrogen. This is a potentially very large structure, which complements our sub-salt exploration in the South, gives us a great sub-salt portfolio across the basin. The Mamlambo prospect is another near-term opportunity that remains subject to funding. This is potentially a very large oil prospect that could open up our Western Flank for further oil exploration and appraisal. We are, again, actively pursuing farm-out opportunities to make this exploration well possible. And finally, it's not on the map, but the Amadeus to Moomba Gas Pipeline is still a serious goal for the company. It will, however, require exploration success and significant new reserves to underwrite the project. Under our revised drilling program, these near-term opportunities will revolve around our current P2, P3 appraisal at Palm Valley as well as the sub-salt exploration drilling program next year. In wrapping up, it has been a very busy quarter. We've had high energy prices and high cost pressures driving us to be flexible and reprioritize our drilling program to focus on lower risk, near-term production. We are actively drilling an exciting appraisal target at Palm Valley at the moment. We're also pursuing further growth activities through farm-outs. And our sub-salt exploration program is progressing toward commencement in 2023, which has enormous potential, including a diversification into helium and hydrogen. On that note, I'd like to now open up the webinar to questions.

Damian Galvin

executive
#4

Thanks, Leon. We've got some questions here already. [Operator Instructions] Okay. So questions in no particular order. But a question here on how much extra gas can be repriced in 2023?

Leon Devaney

executive
#5

I'll -- we are out marketing currently for firm gas supply from 2023 through 2025, which is where we're seeing the main appetite in the market. I've got Jon Snape, who's our Commercial Manager, who is at the coal face on that. So I might ask him to just comment on what sort of volumes we're out looking to reprice or recontract in that period.

Jonathan Snape

executive
#6

Thanks, Leon, and thank you for the question. Look, it's an interesting question. Obviously, there's a lot of demand in 2023 at the moment and certainly based on the forecast by the ACCC. At the moment, we're out marketing 3 terajoules a day of firm gas in 2023. And we are, I guess, working with a couple of parties on selling that gas. The price is above what we'd normally sell it for. So that's a good outcome for us. I mean, obviously, we've got to conclude those negotiations. And we will also be selling gas on a spot basis now that we have, as Leon mentioned in his presentation, that those sort of 15% of volumes that we don't sell on a firm basis. So I mean our production -- so we're really looking at anywhere up to 5 to 7 TJs a day depending on, I guess, customer nominations at that point in time. We are also looking closely at what's happening with Palm Valley because obviously, as Leon mentioned, the ability to get Pacoota 3 and volumes commercialized fairly quickly and certainly by 2023 is something we're certainly very excited about because we know that there's a lot of demand there, and we are talking to our customers for those volumes in 2023. Well, so really, it comes down to what we get out of the potentially market selling volumes in '24 and '25. So we're engaging with parties on that as well. And that pricing is generally quite a bit higher than what we've historically contracted our gas for. So it's been quite a fruitful exercise going out early and selling that gas. Obviously, we haven't concluded those contracts as yet, but they are well progressed.

Leon Devaney

executive
#7

Thanks, Jon. Just to add a couple of things. The volumes in 2023, obviously, as our contracts roll off, that creates additional uncontracted capacity to sell into the term market. 2023, as Jon mentioned, a fairly small number for us in the context of our portfolio. That number increases as we go to 2024 and 2025 as more contracts roll off. So certainly, the repricing impact on our portfolio will increase over the next 3 years. And the other one that Jon touched on which is really important is the -- getting production out of our Palm Valley 12 well. We've got a 50% interest in that if it behaves similar to our Palm Valley 13 well. That was producing a gross number at 7 TJs a day, 3.5 to our benefit. So that's the kind of number we also add to these figures that Jon was talking about earlier.

Jonathan Snape

executive
#8

Just to be clear, the numbers I mentioned before were gross numbers for the joint venture.

Damian Galvin

executive
#9

Okay. Another question here. Around this year is over $30 million gas revenue, approximately how much of this was derived -- was term derived versus spot derived? How much is spot related given the 85% to 15% allocation. So I think just on those -- the new spot sales, if you like, there was $2 million worth of extra revenue in the last 2 months. So it was running at about $1 million a month at those pricing levels, and it has continued through July at that same rate. Obviously, that will come off, we expect, in coming months. But that gives you some idea as to the split from the new spot contracts that we're able to access.

Jonathan Snape

executive
#10

We also did sell some as oil gas over and above those 2 months through the year. So you'd expect that to be at least I want to mention over $1 million.

Damian Galvin

executive
#11

Yes. Our normalized available contracts are similarly priced to our term contracts. And I think over the course of the year, that percentage sort of swung from 85% to 90%, maybe even as high as 95% fixed earlier in the year. But that's -- as we roll new contracts in that percentage tends to change. The question here on planned maintenance. Are you aware of any planned maintenance on pipelines in the next couple of quarters? And how would that impact our volumes? Jon?

Jonathan Snape

executive
#12

I can -- so if you're talking about external pipelines, we're not aware of any planned maintenance certainly over the next quarter. So we hope to be able to sell as much gas as we can over that period.

Damian Galvin

executive
#13

Okay. A question here on the Amadeus to Moomba Gas Pipeline. Could we please get an update on the status of the AMGP, especially in accessing the East Coast market? Does the current GTA for spot markets partially negate the need for the AMGP?

Leon Devaney

executive
#14

Yes. I did mention this in the presentation. And the AMGP is still a priority objective for the company over the long term. The access that we've gotten now to the spot markets, which is fantastic, doesn't necessarily negate the commercial driver we have for direct access into Moomba. Having that pipeline will dramatically decrease the transportation cost. So I would say that we are still incentivized to get that piece of infrastructure developed. As I mentioned, it really comes down to consolidating enough uncontracted reserves to underwrite the project. At this point, that's going to require us to get some success in exploration. And we are looking at things like the P2 and P3 appraisal as well as the sub-salt work that we're going to be commencing next year, plus other drilling and exploration activities that we're working on through farm-outs, et cetera, to try and cobble together enough reserve base to make that happen. And I've mentioned previously that we do have some uncontracted reserves at our existing fields, but we probably need about 200 petajoules or so to really get the AMGP into a serious position to progress.

Damian Galvin

executive
#15

Thanks, Leon. A question here on cost pressures. Where are the cost pressures coming -- actually coming from? Is it drill casing, supply chain, logistics or people? So I think I can probably answer that one. Look, probably the biggest cost we see at the moment is diesel on our drilling campaign. Obviously, the rig mud pumps can't everything out there is powered by diesel. So it's been a significant jump in cost there, which you may not think is significant, but we've been at it now for 3 or 4 months, so it does mount up. Obviously, the supply chain is the other thing we're seeing now. Obviously, we've got all the casing, et cetera, we need for this campaign. But as we start planning for our next lot of wells, particularly at Mereenie, we are seeing that there are longer lead times for just simple things like valves that might come out of Canada, drill casing out of China or where [indiscernible] it's the lead times as well as starting to be impacted.

Leon Devaney

executive
#16

I'll also add on that, that certainly, the disruptions we've had from supply chains and COVID, in particular, have made the logistics of getting crews and service providers efficiently at site has been a challenge. So there's been a number of instances where there have been delays and that results in cost for service providers that are on site, ready to go that have had to wait. And it's just -- it's been that inefficiency, which has added quite a bit of cost to the overall program.

Damian Galvin

executive
#17

Question here, Leon. Is there an identified path to market for any helium discovery that might come from the sub-sold exploration program?

Leon Devaney

executive
#18

Yes. So the base plan for helium is to process that on site. And again, this is going to be a joint venture decision and discussion at some point in the future when we want to start to progress development of a successful find. But the obvious sort of base approach would be to process the gas in situ. We've got hydrocarbons. I'd expect those can be piped to Moomba, for example, or through the NGP to the East Coast market. The processing of helium and hydrogen, I would think is -- makes some sense to do that in situ and then be able to transport a more refined product potentially through rail, for example, or possibly trucking. Darwin is a very good destination for that. It does have access to global markets, particularly for helium. And at that point, I think we can sell the product into a fairly liquid global market.

Damian Galvin

executive
#19

Okay. Leon, another question here. With disappointing drilling results so far at Palm Valley and the change to the Dingo program, depressed results from Range pilot, continued slippage in a sub-salt play, what is management doing to excite the market, improve the share price?

Leon Devaney

executive
#20

Yes. I mean, our focus has been on trying to, at the business level, accelerate and optimize the investments we're making in growth. I would categorize the drilling performance at Palm Valley is not being unsuccessful. We haven't actually even really begun the appraisal component of the drilling program. So we're just starting that now. So the technical results of Palm Valley 12 are yet to be seen, and we could have a very successful outcome from this current appraisal drilling. The costs obviously have been problematic, and the challenges drilling have been compounding that. So really, it's been something where we've had to manage the realities of the drilling program budget with respect to the funding we have available through the free carry. I think the really important thing that we've tried to do is communicate that the swap from the PVD into the P2, P3 appraisal is, I think, a positive one. It's positive in the sense that the appraisal we're doing now at that P2, P3 location has the potential to be the same size and same impact on the business as the Palm Valley Deep, but it's half the depth, much cheaper to develop and commercialize and potentially quicker as well. So we think it's a very good substitute for it. So that's something we're looking to communicate. Obviously, we've got to have some success in this appraisal program, but that is exciting. The swap from the Dingo Deep and removing that so that we can actually focus on near-term production. It is disappointing from an exploration perspective, but the upside is that the financial benefit to the company in redeploying capital towards these lower risk opportunities for increased production into a market that, as you've seen in the charts, are at historical highs, I think, is really important in that it sets us up for further growth and further financial capacity to undertake things that will have an impact on the business going forward. So I think there's some positives to take out of that. The sub-salt, we've been talking about for some time, and there's been quite a bit of communication to the market on that potential. Those are game-changing. We've been saying that for a long time, and I don't want to overuse that phrase. But these are incredibly large developments if they're successful. Each one of them would be company changing. We've got through the peak farm out now 3 opportunities to explore those. Incredibly exciting. We -- previously, we had 1 shot with the Dukas well. That's been expanded now to 3, and we're trying to chase up and find a pathway to progress the exploration at Zevon, so potentially a fourth. So we certainly have an approach to market communication where we don't over promise. I think our view is that we want to communicate the facts and the opportunities, but really provide a very fair and honest view of what we're doing and the opportunities that we're embarking on and let the delivery of our investments and our activities speak for themselves. And when we do get success, we'll be very clear as to what that means for the business. But in short, the program we have over the next 18 months or all company-changing activities, whether it's the P2, P3 appraisal, opening up a new reserve opportunity for Palm Valley or the sub-salt activities, and then I've mentioned before some of the farm-out activities that we're trying to get, whether it's oil or Zevon, for example. So we put the information out there. We're excited by it. We hope the market can see through it. But our view is let's get into it. Let's be successful at delivering these growth strategies. And then on that success, the shareholders will obviously reap the benefits.

Damian Galvin

executive
#21

Another question, Leon, perhaps coming on from that is if the P2, P3 is a success, what would the timing be on getting it to market?

Leon Devaney

executive
#22

So the Palm Valley 12 lateral will be booked up immediately. So we are in the process of working on tie-ins. So that production should come on in this year. So that's a near-term kick, and that's the sort of 7 type of number if you compare it to what we saw out of Palm Valley 13. So that's very quick. The development program is really going to be based on the success we see at PV 12. If we get good pressure and good fracture intersections in that lateral, it really opens up the opportunity for an entirely new essentially play at Palm Valley that can add to the reserve base at that field, in essence, relife it. It's comparable to the PVD, as I mentioned, but it's also comparable to the P1 formation potentially. That P1 formation underwrote pipelines, and the field has been producing for 30 years. So if we get success like we're hoping on the P2, P3, I really see it as re-lifing Palm Valley. We are looking at investments, both in terms of increasing plant capacity and investing quite a bit to put in wells to develop and increase production from the field.

Damian Galvin

executive
#23

Okay. And of course, your modest oil production is contributing 14% to 15% of revenue. Is there a desire to maximize this at Mereenie replant workovers to capitalize on the strong prices?

Leon Devaney

executive
#24

The answer to that is yes. So as part of the planning that we're doing for recompletions and new development wells at Mereenie, we are looking at opportunities to add oil production in wells that have not been fully completed through the oil zones at Mereenie. If you recall, when we bought the asset back in 2015, it had originally been targeted as a very significant oil production play with quite a number of new wells proposed for the field. Oil prices fell away, and it was really pivoted to focus on gas. Oil prices are obviously high. It is something we're very interested in grabbing the low-hanging fruit in some of the wells around the field to try and get a quick bump in oil production. And our hope is that we can include some of those oil-targeted drilling or recompletion activities at Mereenie as part of this next investment in increasing gas production from the field as well.

Damian Galvin

executive
#25

Okay. The other question we always get is around dividends. Have you -- and when they might be coming?

Leon Devaney

executive
#26

Yes. So I'll start off by making it very clear that we are focused and committed to getting this company into a position where it can pay dividends. If you recall 10 years ago, when I joined the company, we had no revenues to speak of. We had to raise money through the equity markets, dilute shareholders just to do the activities we wanted to do, but also just to keep the lights on and pay the salaries. The transition we've made since that time is we now have operations that provide good free cash flow from operations that help support the business, but also allow us to invest in growth opportunities organically. That's a great position to be in. We haven't raised equity since 2017. We haven't diluted shareholders during that period. And we've -- as we've talked about, have quite a few growth projects on the go, funded through -- primarily through farm-outs and as well the free cash flow from operations. So we've managed to put ourselves in a good position where we're not heavily diluting shareholders constantly just to keep going. The next step for us, though, to pay dividends is to have success in our growth activities and the investment we make in growth. So exploration success, for example, proving up new reserves and getting our production up quite substantially, it's from that success that we will be then in a point where our operating revenues and our operations have a critical mass to allow the company to have free cash flow to now start contemplating dividends to shareholders. The challenge with that though is at that point, there's opportunities for growth with the company as well, and it's really about weighing off whether dividends to shareholders at that time is a better outcome for investors than reinvesting it in the company. I'm very open about that. I don't have the view that all profit or all free cash flow from the company has to be reinvested. I think we need to take a very pragmatic view of that because ultimately, this company is here to give a return to shareholders. And whilst share prices can appreciate in anticipation of that, ultimately, it's a house of cards if you aren't ever going to be paying dividends. So we're focused on it. I think the next phase for this company is intended to put us in a position where we can start to contemplate dividend payments. Success, obviously, with the P2, P3, success with the sub-salt, some of the other farm-out activities that we're trying to put into place. All of those are designed to get us into a financial position where the free cash flow covers the business, covers some organic growth and surplus funds can be then returned to shareholders through dividends. So it's a great question. It's something that we're focused on and personally, I very much want to be involved in a company that started out really without any operating profits and go through that transition into a business that is paying dividends and giving something back to the shareholders that have invested in the company along the way.

Damian Galvin

executive
#27

Thanks, Leon. Another question here is just around the markets. I appreciate guidance on the gas sale agreement expiries in 2022 and buyers' appetite for contract prices at the moment.

Jonathan Snape

executive
#28

I can answer that.

Damian Galvin

executive
#29

Yes, John.

Jonathan Snape

executive
#30

I think what the question is asking is given, I guess, the current high spot pricing, and I guess that is coming off now and wherever things heading whether customers are looking to back off and contract later on the basis that things might change. Look, we've been engaging with customers, both in the Northern Territory and also in Eastern Australia, and we've certainly seen a strong appetite to buying down through this period. So we're actually, as I mentioned before, negotiating some -- or in the final stages of negotiating contracts with a number of parties to sell that gas at reasonable prices. So reasonable for the customer and reasonable for us.

Damian Galvin

executive
#31

Well, I think that's the end of our list of questions.

Leon Devaney

executive
#32

There's one other question. Somebody is saying, I can't see anyone. Is there something I haven't done. We don't have a live video feed going through. We've obviously just put up the Q&A session slide. We're happy that we've not had any technical glitches on this one. I think we had some technical glitches on the last webinar. I think it's a good question. And I think next time, we'll work to have a live video feed so you can see us as we're answering these questions. So we'll take that on board, and thank you for that comment.

Damian Galvin

executive
#33

That's right. But if you missed the session earlier, this will be available via our website later today for you to watch the entire presentation. So I think with that, we're probably ready to wrap up.

Leon Devaney

executive
#34

Yes. No, great. And again, I thank all shareholders for your support over this time. There have been some challenges, but again, some real wins over the quarter. We're very excited to be now embarking on this appraisal leg of the lateral. So over the next few weeks, we hope to have some news to share with shareholders. And like I said, these sort of successes in investments, in appraisal at an existing field like Palm Valley can really have an impact on the business going forward. And fingers crossed, we can get some success at this location. Okay. Great. Thank you, everyone. And we'll keep the market informed as we go forward.

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