Charles River Laboratories International, Inc. (CRL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 15, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Ricky Goldwasser
analystWelcome to our next session here at Morgan Stanley's Global Healthcare Conference. I'm Ricky Goldwasser, Morgan Stanley's health care services research analyst. And joining me this morning is Jim Foster, CEO of Charles River. And before we get started, please note that this webcast is for Morgan Stanley's clients and appropriate Morgan Stanley's employees only. It's not for a member of the press. And if you are a member of the press, please disconnect and reach out separately. And for important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley research disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com. And if you have any questions, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley sales representative. And with that, I'll hand it off to you, Jim, for some introductory remarks.
James Foster
executiveSure. Thanks, Ricky. Nice to see you, albeit virtually. We -- I think the first thing I would say is in our second quarter call, which was a positive conversation, we had talked about the favorable trends that we had in the business. We gave an update that those trends had persisted through July. And so I'm pleased to say that those favorable trends have continued through August. And we're very pleased with the way the third quarter is shaping up, and we expect all the segments to report improved growth as we go into the third quarter. The research model business is coming back more quickly than we had anticipated and should have a mid- to high single-digit decline. We're obviously not thrilled about the decline, but the second quarter was so rough that you really can't make it up. But the other 2 segments should have a high single-digit growth for the year. So we're really pleased with that. We announced -- I mean, we actually did an acquisition in the virtual world. So we announced a small cellular therapy product company that we can talk about in our second quarter call. So we're very pleased we've been able to do the deal and also to intensify our cell and gene therapy portfolio, both across our current portfolio and adding some new businesses. We are on track to -- unwaveringly on track to hit 20% operating margin goal in 2021. So notwithstanding the disruption and short-term disruption that we had, particularly in our second quarter from COVID, we're quite confident about that. So we feel that the company is in a good place and that we've really done a good job responding to this crisis, particularly providing a lot more opportunity for clients to outsource to us who weren't able to use other providers or even rely on themselves. So we've seen a little bit of an uptick and an inflection point. We have so many companies outsource discovery and talks to us over the years that will -- would have and will continue, but we feel it's been accelerated a bit by COVID out of necessity. So maybe I'll stop there on -- to questions.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystGreat. Thank you, Jim. [Operator Instructions] Jim, let's start with the biotech funding environment. That's always been a topic that investors have been very, very focused on. And obviously, we're seeing robust environment. In a high level, what are we seeing in the marketplace? And which segment is benefiting the most from the funding environment that you're seeing? And has it already translated to increased RFP activity? Or is this something that you expect to see more next year as the environment normalizes?
James Foster
executiveYes. So the inflows continue at a pretty healthy clip. And this year is on track to be the highest ever. We will see whether that's the case or not. But we've been saying for a while that they've at least free with some cash on hand. So we don't hear anything from clients about we're going to delay our study or cancel our study or wait until the next fiscal quarter. By the same token, we don't have these sort of unusual surges of buying. These folks are thoughtful about where they spend their money. And so we're -- I'd say the business is consistent and persistent across biotech. Companies large and small, I think they're prosecuting the full range of the drugs that they're developing. So maybe if company x had less money, they would only have 3 drugs with us rather than 4 or 5. It's tough to discern that. So a bunch of new modalities, certainly, cell and gene therapy has enhanced the possibilities. The immunotherapy companies, I think, are doing well. You've seen 2 companies, in particular, have a strong presence in RNA, aspects of RNA. A lot of monoclonal antibodies are contributing as well. So we have -- we continue to have the preponderance of our sales coming from biotech companies, large and small, by the way. So we have a fair number of pre revenue relatively large from a market cap point of view, public biotech companies who do a lot of work with us, a lot of safety work, in particular, but work across the whole portfolio. So it's not something we spend much time worrying about. And we still get questions from shareholders about what will you do when it dries out. Those questions persist, and it doesn't dry out. And I think there's less possibility that, that will. There's just so many diseases that have been positively impacted by new modalities. And hopefully, that will be something similar with COVID.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystAnd you've been talking about this for some time now and you mentioned that in your introductory remarks kind of like that idea declines are opting to outsource more due to the restriction during COVID, but also that, that actually is opening the opportunity for them to do more once the crisis is behind us. So what are you seeing -- how are those client conversations evolving?
James Foster
executiveYes. They're evolving well. You had -- definitely a bunch of small biotech companies that had to shelter in place because the local government required it. Similarly, there were, not entire drug companies, but significant parts and pieces of big drug companies closed. And they needed to continue to do the work. So they ran out of money. They just ran of access to the facilities. A lot of animal work had to be outsourced because there was nobody to come in and actually literally take care of the animals, let alone do the studies. So we saw a fair amount of work come outside. We're seeing a fair amount of work come outside, the genetically engineered models business from academic institutions, from pharma and biotech. And I will be really surprised if that goes back in in-house, and I think that should generate additional work going forward because they're getting to work with us and seeing -- they have to be having conversations about why did we do this internally. The price points are as good or better. The animals can be delivered daily if they want them to. And except for that sort of historical -- I don't want to call it arrogance, maybe laziness in some of the big pharma companies that everything has to be across the hall or next door as opposed to waiting for us to ship something in. So I think that's been really helpful. Similarly, in the Discovery business, in particular, in the Safety business secondarily, because safety has been happening more rapidly. Clients that didn't outsource to us at all because they kept the work in-house or they outsourced to someone else who wasn't open or wasn't fast or who haven't prepared for catastrophe like this, they couldn't depend on them. We're seeing more of that work also. We're definitely seeing a pronounced demand in our biologics business. Some of that is outsourcing, particularly from big pharma. Some of that is just an enhanced amount of work in large molecules and particularly cell and gene therapy and particularly for COVID. We've also seen an enhanced amount of work in Microbial because there's just more drugs being manufactured to get into the clinic. So we're also hearing -- we're getting very positive unsolicited feedback from clients saying, "We're so happy you remained open. We're so happy with the quality of your work." You'll get more of that. And they have written us a letter and say, we've never taken it back. But I mean the innuendo is that they're quite happy. And so if COVID is as prolonged as unfortunately I believe it will be, I think this is a long haul we're on. And they keep the animals with us or they do whatever with us because they can't depend on themselves for 6 more months or 3 more years, they're going to get used to it. And as long as we're doing the work well, I think they'll appreciate the price points. They'll appreciate using us for leverage. They'll appreciate to expand their bandwidth, they'll appreciate the speed. And so that's obviously just a commentary on what we already do. And we didn't put this portfolio together to do exactly that, right? Our end clients are not the patients. Our end clients are the drug companies that make the drugs. And so while we've been doing really well, and I think we'll continue to do without COVID, I do think this is a very interesting inflection point. It is a force of people who might not have otherwise gotten there themselves or reluctant to for whatever reason, to at least try us. Now there are some pharma companies, both first and second tier, many European, who have an ethos and a culture and a history of doing stuff internally. They employ everyone in a certain town, whatever. So I do think some of that work will go back. And I think some of the work may go back to the big American ones that -- and there's not many left, but who just say, you know, some of the work has to be done internally because we've always done it that way or we feel that we understand the molecule better that way. That's actually nonsense. I mean because so many drug companies don't do any work inside. But that's still a reality. But now they worked with us more than they used to or worked with us when they didn't use to it all. And as long as we do good work, which obviously we try to do on every study, I think that's an interesting place for them to ponder whether they want to take it back. And they have to look at their whole internal strategy and people's internal cost structure is probably unsustainable, particularly if this is protracted. So as they reduce headcounts, perhaps, they'll probably reduce space as well. And if they can get something done externally as well rather than doing it internally, I think that they will. So it's the best -- I hate it as much as everybody else hates it. Don't get me wrong. We're not happy about this. But it almost dramatically enhances our marketing strategy because we don't have to tell them that we can do the work where we're actually doing it.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystAnd then when we think about, obviously, this about academic clients when the academic institutions have been front-centering the news. What are you seeing in terms of the academics reopening their facilities in September? We talked a little bit about RMS progressing ahead, I think, of your expectations. What are you seeing in that market? And how long do you think it's going to take for volumes to return to kind of like the pre-COVID-19 levels given your thoughts that we're here for the long haul?
James Foster
executiveYes. So what we've heard from all the academic institutions that we've spoken to and continue to speak to on an ongoing basis, at pretty high levels, sort of provost or dean, occasionally university president, but mostly, the people that made those decisions is that there was a sweeping decision pretty much across Europe and the U.S. after it happened in China to shut down academic institutions because no one knew what to make of COVID, and they had to keep the students safe. So they sent everybody home. And they gave, most of the institutions we've spoken to, 2 or 3 weeks tops to shut down the research, which obviously was too fast. So that did generate more animal business for us. So they shipped us entire animal colonies or had us recapitulate their animal colonies at our sites. And maybe some of their ongoing studies, they were able to send to us to work on. But basically, they had to shut down. And then pretty much immediately, they discerned that they had done that too quickly. And had they -- could they live their lives over again, they wouldn't have done that quickly. So we had a rough second quarter, as you saw. And we had a prognosis for a rougher third quarter than we've been having. And of course, the last month of the second quarter was way better than we thought as well. So we began to see academic -- the medical centers at academic institutions open more quickly than anticipated and with the caveat that they wish they hadn't closed so quickly. Unfortunately, they couldn't open as quickly and as fully as they had -- as they were before closing, but they were doing it that they understood how to open up in a COVID world, so social distancing. By the way, they often wear PPE in those labs anyway. They often work under hoods. Maybe they have a second or maybe a third shift. So I do think at some point, they get back to work. Now you are already seeing a huge infection levels in undergraduates. I'm sure it won't happen at WashU. I don't want to make you nervous, but it is happening. And so there is some possibility that a lot of kids will be sent home again or stay at the schools and go to class virtually. And I do think it will be a tale of two cities. So 18-year olds with the propensity to party and dorm rooms, whatever they're trying to work out, is a different calculus than post-docs with PhDs who are being careful working in the laboratory setting. So what we're hearing is that it's unlikely no matter how virulent the second wave or the first wave already is or the second wave will ultimately be that they intend to work through it and stay open. So we take them at their word. Number one. And it's a little bit difficult to guess when they'll be sort of back to where they're at. I would hope sometime maybe in the first half of next year as they build back, as they open up, as they social distance. I don't think their funding was impacted. And I don't think that the post-docs are afraid to go back in their labs. So I don't think they're going to have that sort of problem. So the work is still as important as it was. And in addition to the work that we're doing in cancer and CNS diseases, they're obviously doing a bunch of COVID work. Also, you know the AZ drug that's in the clinic was an Oxford University drug, so it's really important that they get back to work. So they're doing it successfully in China, assuming you can believe everything that you hear. But they are saying they're doing it successfully. So we're optimistic they won't -- they can't catch up to the work they didn't do, but they are ordering animals that are reasonably rapid clips, subject to the restrictions in headcount that I don't think is totally cut off yet.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystAnd when we think about the government budget, how do you think about NIH increases and the potential impact on the business in the next couple of years in '21 and '22?
James Foster
executiveYes. So I think it depends, obviously. I think we have a democratic president and perhaps Congress that it's a high likelihood that NIH budgets increase. It's always been a focus by that group. That we don't have a huge academic and government footprint. I haven't looked at it. It's probably in the low-teens. But that's an inconsequential amount of work. So that would be a positive. I do think that even if the current administration stays in place and the Senate stays Republican that there will be -- and not just co, they'll just be increased infrastructural spending for NIAID for the next pandemic. As Bill Gates told us 5 years ago, we need to prepare for these because they're sort of inevitable regardless of where they come from. And had we've been better prepared and more knowledgeable, perhaps we would have done a better job. I don't think -- I think the U.S. has been -- has done a particularly poor job at it. I don't know about spending for the rest of NIH if you have a Republican Congress. I think the government is looking for money. So it may not -- NIH spend has been okay. I mean it's increased a little bit even in a Republican regime, but I think it will be more profound if there's a change. So we'll see.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystAnd we shift focus to Discovery and Safety Assessment segment. Can you talk a little bit about where you expect margins go over time in this very strong demand and pricing environment?
James Foster
executiveSo pricing environment is good. We've been getting some price for a while now. That's kind of commensurate with the overall demand, with the -- I wouldn't say capacity is tight, but I would say capacity is well utilized. So clients have to be thoughtful about when they book studies and not assume that everything is going to start right away. The studies are more -- increasingly more complicated, so they should be more expensive and they are more expensive. We're charging them more for that. So that's a good thing. I don't see any reason why demand will -- the demand curve will change going forward. I mean I suppose COVID can throw us another curveball. I don't -- just don't see what it is. And I don't see how it would affect what Charles River is doing given that we've remained open during the whole situation. And our employees, of course, have really PPE in tough, tight quarters and prerestricted and a positively restricted environment. So I'm not going to say anything more than the top line that it will be any higher than high single digit but hopefully, that could change it someday. But at the moment, we're happy with that. And the denominator is getting pretty big. We've got a couple of head -- 2 or 3 headwinds to work on in DSA, so I think the margins are improving nicely. They were very, very nice in the second quarter. We still had the Discovery business doing really well, by the way, and a strong second quarter, tracking well okay in the third quarter. And while the margins are below the total segment, maybe we'll stay below them and below where we wanted Discovery to be they're improving, so that's reducing some of the headwind. And 2 of the 3 big tox competitors that we bought over the last 4 years, while the margins have been improving very, very nicely, there's still a bit of a headwind. So those 3 will -- those factors will continue to improve, plus the price should be there. Our mix tends to be quite positive. This healthy mix of specialty and general tox that the competition doesn't really have as much of. Specialty work is less criticality in negotiating that. Less competition does it and clients don't do much of the work themselves. So we get a bit of that. And then the last thing I would say is it's 2 things. We've driven $40 million, $50 million, $60 million of cost out of our business every year. I'd say the preponderance of that is in Safety and now Discovery. We will continue to do that. We've made a commitment to ourselves and The Street and our clients and now TheStreet, I guess, to take a year out of the drug development process, and that's very much about Safety and a little bit about Discovery. It's about removing a lot of the white space, being more virtual, getting reports there earlier and just interface with the client more quickly, perhaps not doing some things that we've all done forever that don't need to be done and aren't adding value. And we're really focused on that. So I think we're all in that together. And I'm not willing to change the goal yet. But the goal is 25% all-in for the DSA segment. I think that's imminently doable. I think we're on track to get there. Let us get there first. And then when we get there, we can talk about improving that. But all the while, the profitability and the operating margin of that business is improving. And that's why we're adding incremental capacity all the time at multiple sites.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystJim, on the manufacturing segment, especially on Biologics, how do you think about the future expansion opportunities there? And can you talk a little bit about your differentiated offering given just it's becoming such a competitive marketplace?
James Foster
executiveYes. It's the most competitive market we're in, and -- but it always has been. When I say always, been that way probably for a decade. We have 4 big competitors. Only one is smaller than us, so the bigger -- literally bigger companies. Everyone has a really first rate biologics capability. Everyone has deep pockets, and none of us will sell our businesses to anybody else. I would value any of the competitor's business today. Just -- I just don't think it's going to happen. We try constantly. I would say that we have 3 differentiators, though. By the way, it's become a very, very strong segment for us. The top line is really exhilarating right now. And I do think it's -- maybe not at the level last quarter, it was particularly strong. But it's -- the market's probably growing at low double. We probably can grow at mid- to high-teens in that segment. So we were capacity bound. We're now not. So we have to continue to stay ahead of capacity. I think that's opportunity number one. We have probably a better geographic footprint from the competition, so U.S. and several sites in Europe, maybe someday China, but not yet. So several sites in Europe, which I think is quite helpful because proximity is really important. And I would say the last thing it might be the strongest thing, but certainly a strong issue is that while clients could use any of us as a one-off, it's part of -- with us, it's part of a large portfolio. So it's kind of the continuation of the drug development process. So we can both help them make the drug -- I'm sorry, help them test the drug, whole multiplicity of ways, develop the drug and then test the drug as opposed to some of our competitors that just test the drug, so we have to wait for somebody to call them and say, "I have a drug for you to test." Well, we might already have the drug in our possession. So I do think this sort of, I hate the term, but suit to that portfolio that we've developed helps us stay with the client in a more holistic fashion and competitively distinguishes us from it. And the fourth thing, sorry, I said I was done, is that we're investing heavily in gene and cell therapy assays in that business. And the competition probably is as well. I can only tell you what we're doing. So we'll at least be able to compete and maybe get ahead of them by doing that. And that's definitely a driver. Cell and gene therapy, I'd say, is the principal driver right now, enhanced somewhat by COVID and then, of course, all the plethora of large molecules in the marketplace right now. So biologics even with all that competition, and by the way, we're all about the same size. I could argue, and it probably ebbs and flows, and it probably depends on how we define it. It may be somewhat slightly bigger than us, but we're really close. And that may change because we built so much capacity. So it's a really long-term, sustainable growth business. Unless you think that large molecule will somehow gets -- the growth trajectory somehow gets disrupted, which we certainly don't think, I think that's going to be a really terrific business for us. And last year, the margins were held back by this duplicate capacity situation, which we guided to. And so this year, we were freed up from that. So it's performing quite well.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystAnd then we have a couple of more minutes left, and I want to touch on your M&A strategy. Current size, the bar keeps moving higher. So what types of deals are you considering? And we also got a specific question about your approach to M&A in the manufacturing space given how fragmented that marketplace is -- really still is.
James Foster
executiveSo the company is getting bigger. And so exactly right. If we could, and we can't. But if we could, I'd do an NPI [indiscernible]. I'd spend $800 million to $1 billion. I'd buy a company with $0.25 billion of revenue. It would move the needle. It would make a difference. We get more clients. We have more scale. We have better geography. We'd have some new services. It would be a big bet. We would take it seriously, but it would be a risky bet. We would bet the ranch. And I love those deals. And you get really a professional company with a professional team. Unfortunately, they cover all shapes and sizes. So we just bought a company a month ago. It's like a company -- $10 million in sales. It's an important and actually relatively large player in the human-derived cellular product space. It has good science. It has good people. And we -- so they come in all shapes and sizes. And the due diligence, by the way, is just as arduous, if not more so, than the little ones. But we did do a deal in a COVID world virtually. It's really quite extraordinary if you think about that. And it's going quite well. So we have, I'd say, most of the deals are small. There are a few that are kind of midsize. When I say midsize, maybe $500 million, $600 million, $700 million, $800 million purchase price. They're mostly private equity owned, so they're all available. We've been talking to these people for a while. We paused for 3, 4 months. They are very heavily focused in early stuff, discovery related, maybe cell and gene therapy related, antibody related, oncology related. You should pay attention to the technology deals that we're doing and talking about, so where we provide either equity or debt for something that's literally cutting edge. With the marketing partner for a year or 2, we often have the right to buy the company and often at a predetermined formula. That's the best way to buy a company. So those will almost all be discovery, not all, but almost all. That'll be very cutting edge to give us a huge competitive advantage, and we will have done living due diligence for a couple of years. So I'm very excited about those. The management team have a client feel about it, and you understand the science. The manufacturing question that you got is we're trying to ignore it, but we can't. So it's a small gap in the portfolio. So if we've done all the testing on the drug, and now they want to manufacture to go into Phase I or II. And by the way, we test it before it goes to the Phase I or II in our Biologics business. It will be nice if we could do some testing. It's a really crowded field. As you said, it is fragmented. There are a lot of big players. So we don't want to -- I don't think we can be a big player. But we're interested in it. I think that there are a lot of big players who might buy some of the assets we're looking at. So there's not no great certainty we can get a deal done. By the same token, we might look at buying assets that are too small for these people to be interested in it. I think it would enhance the portfolio nicely. So if we could do -- let's say, it's only Phase I and II. If we could do monoclonal antibody production, a lot of those -- a lot of that stuff is disposable as opposed to stainless steel if we could do cell and gene therapy work. By the way, my venture capital friends and partners tell me that no one does gene therapy manufacturing well. It's probably hyperbole, but probably some truth in that. And we had a small, as you'll remember, a small CDMO. It was all small molecules. It was a good business, by the way. Margins were great. It just seemed like a dangling participle. So we're kind of back generally looking at it, so we'll see. But we're pretty active. Balance sheet looks good. Leverage is coming down. And as I said, most of these assets are for sale. Probably we'll be competing principally with other private equity firms. I think they have a lot of money. So they're both sellers and buyers right now. I'd still rather compete with a sponsor than a strategic buyer. So we'll see.
Ricky Goldwasser
analystGreat. Well, Jim, always good to catch up and have these conversations at our conference. We're out of time, so conclude the session. Thank you so much for your time today and for everybody on the webcast, thank you for listening and for all the good questions.
James Foster
executiveAlways a pleasure, Ricky. Have a good conference. Stay well.
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