Chrysos Corporation Limited (C79) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 11, 2026

ASX AU Industrials Professional Services earnings 53 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Hello, and welcome to the Chrysos Corporation Full Year 2026 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Dirk Treasure, Managing Director and CEO. You may begin.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#2

Thank you very much, and good morning, shareholders. Thank you all for joining us today for our FY '26 results presentation. As usual, I'm joined by our CFO, Brett Coventry as well as by our CEO, Tim Boland. FY '26 was another strong year for Chrysos. We delivered at the upper end of our guidance, processed record sample volumes, expanded our contracted fleet and strengthens the operating platform that supports our next stage of growth. I'll begin with the highlights and the progress we've made in expanding Foton Asset globally. Brett will then take you through the financial results before I return to cover our growth opportunity and the outlook for FY '27. Slide 4, please, operator. FY '26 has been another year of strong adoption of our photon assay technology, and we continue to demonstrate our ability to grow revenue faster than cost at scale. Revenue increased 33% to $88.1 million, and EBITDA increased 68% to $27.2 million, with the EBITDA margin expanding from 24% in FY '25 to 31% this year. We continue to generate cash flow with $17.9 million net inflow for the year, supporting our ongoing growth. Operationally, we finished the year with 46 deployed units with the addition of 7 units and the decommissioning of 1 unit during the year. Despite deploying less units than we had targeted for FY '26, our fleet processed 11.3 million samples during the year, which is an increase of 67% over FY '25. Our growth is well supported by the growing fleet, but also by materially higher utilization of that fleet. An important achievement of FY '26 was our growth in contracts, both a number of leases, but also in the quality of those leases. We signed 24 new lease agreements during the year and a further 4 post period, taking our total contracted units to 87. These new leases provide the foundation for a more aggressive deployment program in FY '27 and and I'm pleased to announce that we are currently deploying 6 units concurrently with some of those to pass site acceptance testing imminently. Next slide, please, operator. This chart captures the acceleration we've seen in photon assay adoption. Quarterly salable volumes have continued to set records. Monthly throughput moved above 1 million samples in March and has remained above that level each month since with a further record of more than 1.1 million samples achieved in July. That volume growth increased AAC to 29% of FY '26 revenue compared with 15% in FY '25. I MP continues to provide the contracted base and higher customer activity flows through as additional revenue. The current gold market is supportive, but the most important point is the continued conversion of customer workflows to photon assay and the increasing use of our deployed capacity. Slide 6, please, operator. Sample growth is now running ahead of fleet growth. Over the last 2 years, quarterly volume has increased from around 1.3 million samples to more than 3.1 million. Over the same period, hub laboratory utilization increased from 41% in FY '25 and to 59% in FY '26. APAC is the most mature region at 79% utilization. The Americas and EMEA also improved and still have meaningful capacity available to support further growth. We're also increasing capacity within the existing fleet. Software and operating upgrades are delivering a 10% to 20% improvement in throughput with minimal capital costs. Several of our units are now repeatedly operating above nameplate capacity. This allows us to grow revenue and unit returns without relying only on new deployments. Slide 7, please, operator. We deployed 7 units during FY '26 and decommissioned 1 unit, taking the fleet to 46 units across 34 active sites at year-end. Those deployments broadened our customer and geographic base. Three units were deployed with ALS across Australia and Canada. Our first South American unit was deployed with Bureau Veritas in Chile. A new Canadian hub has been established with MSA. We deployed to the Nordman gold mine with Intertek and we completed our first next-generation XN unit with SGS in Perth. Contracting was particularly strong. We signed 24 lease agreements during the year and 4 more after year-end, taking the contracted fleet to 87 units. We are expanding our relationships with each of the major laboratories while building a stronger direct to mine pipeline with Newmont's Allied Gold, Acrux, Alcan, Pantoro and other miners. We're focused now on manufacturing, deploying and bringing those contracted units online. Slide 8, please, operator. Our sales strategy remains deliberately two-pronged. Hub and spoke laboratories provide broad access to local miners and explorers. Our laboratory partners market PhotonAssay into those regions, while our sales and technical teams work with miners to increase adoption and move more sample types onto the units. Direct to mine deployments create deeper customer relationships and give us access to samples across exploration, mining and processing. They also established a strong reference point for adoption across our miner's broader portfolio. The 2 channels reinforce each other. The laboratories broader market access, minestrone deployments demonstrate the operational value and higher utilization in both instances, improved unit economics and supports further adoption. Over to you, Brett.

Brett Coventry

executive
#3

Thanks, Dirk. Slide 10, please, operator. Revenue for the year was $88.1 million, up 33% on FY '25 66.1 million. That growth continues to be driven by the expanding deployed fleet and materially higher utilization of profit, reflecting ongoing global adoption of photon assay and the elevated industry activity. Looking at the regions, APAC was a larger contributor to FY '26 growth, up 70% to $39 million. driven by 3 new units and $11.4 million increase in additional assay charges. The Americas were up 28% to $23.4 million, as the installed base scaled and EMEA was up 4% to $25.8 million, consolidating 2 years of substantial growth. International revenue rose 14% to $49.2 million and now represents 56% of group revenue. More than half our revenue comes from outside APAC, which validates the global rollout strategy. Group revenue has almost doubled since FY '24 from $45.4 million to $88.1 million on an increasingly diversified geographic base. Next slide, please. This continues to be 1 of the most important graphs in the deck because it shows the forecast of underlying revenue generated by minimum monthly assay payments. MMAP was up to $62.5 million for the year, up 12% on FY '25 and made up 71% of the revenue. It scales directly with the deployed unit base and gives us a contracted revenue floor. Additional assay charges were $25.5 million, up 153% on FY '25 is $10.1 million and now represent 29% of revenue against 15% last year. A growing contracted base with a combined increasing AAC contribution. Next slide, please. This year represents a clear step change in profitability. Revenue increased 33% to $88.1 million, while EBITDA increased 68% to $27.2 million with the EBITDA margin expanding from 24% to 31%. The -- the highlight for me is that revenue growth has materially outpaced expense growth. Operating expenses of $39.6 million grew just 18%, well below the 33% revenue increase and fell around 52% to 45% of revenue. That is a global platform that we've built now delivering leverage. Gross profit was at up 32% to $66.8 million with margins steady as soon as say costs broadly track revenue. [indiscernible] operating I say operating expenses of $29.3 million were up 36%, fleet maintenance of $11.4 million and direct operating labor of $9.9 million, reflecting our larger fleet and record activity levels. The direct costs held broadly stable at around 24% of revenue. Depreciation and amortization of $21.4 million increased in line with the expanding fleet, which you would expect as a capital investment translates into revenue-generating assets. Given the ongoing strong operation of our maturing fleet, we've taken the opportunity to reassess the useful life of our operating fleet and reassess that to be 15 years for the PhotonAssay units rather than the previous 10 Below EBITDA, we delivered a statutory net profit of. Next slide, please. we're spending a moment on currency because the reported numbers absorbed a real headwind. FY '26 guidance was set in August 2025 on constant currency assumptions with approximately 55% of group revenue exposed to non-AUD currencies. On those August 2025 assumptions, the results equate to approximately $91 million of revenue and $30.2 million of EBITDA. So we absorbed around $3 million revenue and EBITDA headwinds. Even after absorbing that, we delivered at the upper end of both guidance ranges with revenue of $88.1 million against the $80 million to $90 million guidance and EBITDA of $27.2 million against the $20 million to $27 million of guidance. Underlying performance was ahead of guidance, and we actively manage the exposure through the year. Next slide, please. This slide is the unit economics under ester growth. We've sustained gross profit margins between 70% and 80% across FY '24 through to FY '26 and margins held firm even as direct employee costs absorbed short-term incentives at full achievement and versus particularly -- sorry, versus partial achievements in prior years. Cost control continues to be supported by the hub strategy and bringing more maintenance in-house, which reduces our reliance on third parties. Revenue per unit remains underpinned by MMAP, with an FY '26 MMAP exit rate of $65.9 million and the additional SA charges per unit more than doubled over the year on broader industry activity and growing adoption. The 5 units installed in May and June of FY '25 ramped up through the year, and several previously underperforming units are now at or above their committed MMAP volumes, which opens up further AAC upside. Next slide, please. With that growth, our cash flow continues to improve, reflecting higher EBITDA and better cash conversion. Operating cash flow was $17.9 million for the year, up 103% on FY '25 $8.8 million. The working capital outflow more than halved from 29.8% to 14.5%. We invested $36.3 million in growth capital expenditure on the global fleet expansion, which is the core driver of future recurring revenue. with total capital expenditure of $41 million, including $0.6 million of sustaining CapEx and around $4.1 million on R&D. Overall, we are seeing a growing unit base translate into increased cash generation. Next slide, please. The Crisis balance sheet remains strong and well positioned to support continued growth. Net assets of $197 million, broadly unchanged from the previous year. We also finished the year with total assets of $306.5 million and $25.9 million cash. The main movement in our noncurrent assets, which increased to $228.2 million as we continue to expand our PhotonAssay fleet. Let's move to the next slide and talk about the increased debt facility. During the period, we refinanced our corporate facilities with a new 3-year $200 million syndicated facility provided by 3 domestic finances. This is a deliberate shift away from the asset-based financing to a corporate style structure, giving us far greater operational flexibility, improved pricing and better covenant package. Proceeds were drawn to extinguish the existing asset-based facility, but it did overall add $105 million in funding headroom. And I'd note that reflects the lenders' confidence in our customer base and our long-term contracted revenue. The $140 million undrawn supports manufacturing and global deployment of PhotonAssay units through FY '27 and beyond and underpins our return to target manufacturing cadence of 18 units a year. Over to you, Dirk.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#4

Thank you, Brett. And Slide 19, please, operator. We're now engaged with 80% of the world's top 20 gold producers. During FY '26, Northern Star became the first mining customer to use PhotonAssay as its primary analytical technique across all of its major sites that sits within those top 20. It is an important demonstration of portfolio-wide adoption and 1 that we're working hard to repeat with our other mining customers. We established our first operating presence in South America with Bureau Veritas in Chile, deployed the first XN unit with STS and Perth and continue to build the Newmont relationship under the master services agreement signed last year. Each of these milestones is useful on its own. Together, they show that PhotonAssays moving from individual deployments toward broader acceptance globally across both miners and laboratories. Slide 20, please operator. Our objective remains to become the world's leading provider of innovative assay services and technologies, starting with the conversion of major gold mining projects to PhotonAssays. The addressable market is approximately 610 sites made up of around 200 hub laboratory opportunities and 410 direct mine site opportunities. We currently operate 46 units across 34 active sites, representing around 8% market share by deployed units. That leaves substantial room to grow within customers we already serve as well as through new customers and new regions. Our lease model supports our growth by reducing the customers upfront investment, aligning our revenue to sample activity and providing long-term contracted earnings with utilization upside. Slide 21, please, operator. Our opportunity is global and widely distributed, which is why the network we have built is important. PhotonAssay now has a presence in every target region and are supported by major global laboratory partners. Our first deployment with Bureau Veritas in Chile has established the South American beachhead with a further contract signed with BV Peru and another for Mexico since year-end. We do not need to build a large stand-alone footprint in every market. Strategic hubs, established partners and the global service capability allow us to serve the market while retaining operating synergies and strong unit margins. Our next phase is to deepen those regional positions and convert the contracted pipeline into an increasingly dense operating network. Slide 22, please, operator. Gold remains our core market and our primary focus. But the same platform can support additional elements and applications. We already provide commercial analysis for gold, silver and copper. Non-gold volumes increased 83% over the last 18 months, demonstrating that customers are beginning to use PhotonAssay for these alternative analysis. Near-term development is focused on improving customer outcomes at operating mines, supported by concurrent voice to analysis and solution analysis, and we continue to develop additional applications enabled by tuning the energy output of the linac. Our strategy extends our installed platform and has the potential to increase revenue per sample, broaden sample volumes and deepen the value we deliver to our customers. Slide 23, please Operator. There are 3 drivers behind our multiyear outlook. First, fleet growth. The contracted book and deployment pipeline support a material increase in the installed base over the next 3 years. And during that period, we intend to double our deployed units. Second, resilient demand. Customer activity remains elevated, while the structural conversion to PhotonAssay and expansion into additional applications support continued sample growth; third, lower earnings volatility. And an increasing share of our volume is linked to mine production rather than exploration and MMAP continues to provide a contracted revenue for. Over time, a larger fleet, maturing utilization and production-linked volumes create a durable earnings base as Christoph scales. Through to Slide 25, please, operator. FY '26 has reduced a number of the execution risks that previously set in front of growth in front of our growth plans. We enter FY '27 with 87 contracted units units already deploying and stronger visibility over the deployment pipeline. The existing fleet is also mature. We've achieved record saleable volumes 4 consecutive months above 1 million samples and more recently, 1.1 million samples during July, and we've demonstrated that we can lift throughput through software and operating improvements. Finally, the platform supporting that growth is stronger. Manufacturing cadence is now back to 18 units per year. Funding capacity has increased, the next generation of PhotonAssay is progressing and our global deployment capability has expanded. That provides a stronger base for FY '27 than that with which we entered FY '26. Slide 26, please, operator. This slide provides a snapshot of where the fleet sits today, both for deployed units, but also those that are pre-deployment. Since our May trading update, we've manufactured 5 more units, deployed a further 2 and signed 4 additional contracts. We now have 59 manufactured units, 46 deployed units and 87 contracted units. 9 units are available across preshipping and awaiting installation with a further 6 currently being deployed. One Ghanaian unit of Bassi has been demobilized and has been redeployed to Morocco. The important change is the movement of units towards site and installation. We have the funding, manufacturing capability and contracted demand. The focus for FY '27 is to deploy against that demand while maintaining discipline around costs. Slide 27, please operator. We're pleased to provide our FY '27 guidance. For revenue, our guidance range is from $108 million to $118 million, an uplift of 28% at the midpoint. For EBITDA, our guidance ranges from $35 million to $42 million which is an uplift of 42% at the midpoint. As we did last year, we provided guidance at constant currency, and this slide outlines the currency assumptions used. Slide 28, please, operator. To summarize, FY '26 was a strong year for Crystals. Revenue increased 33% to $88.1 million, and EBITDA increased 68% to $27.2 million. We finished the year with 46 deployed units signed 24 new lease agreements and processed record sample volumes up 67%. We also strengthened the balance sheet and funding position to support a return to our target manufacturing cadence of 18 units per year. Most importantly, the business is becoming more mature. Growth is broadening across customers and regions. Utilization is contributing more meaningfully and our contracted pipeline provides better visibility into future deployments. We remain focused on execution, building units, deploying them efficiently, supporting our customers and converting the significant market opportunity that's in front of us. Slide 30, please, operator. Thank you for your time today. We're pleased with the progress that we've made during FY '26 and confident in the platform that we've built for FY '27 and beyond. Brett and I will now take questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question come from Josh Kannourakis with Barrenjoey.

Josh Kannourakis

analyst
#6

First question, just on guidance as we do usually. Can you just run through what the expectations are versus sort of current operating conditions for guidance? And what you're assuming for, for example, AAC into next year as well? Just some of the operational sort of metrics that you're thinking about that gets you at the middle and the top and the bottom of the range?

Dirk Treasure

executive
#7

I think the way we've thought about, obviously, we have a deployment cadence that we're thinking of, and that's -- as we've spoken about, you can see where we're starting with the 6 units currently deploying, how we see them rolling out over the year. And that's the first thing. Obviously, that's going to plan is how we've thought about the guidance. And then the industry is staying roughly in line with its current operating. Obviously, we've done the last 5 months in a row over 1 million samples. So not seeing any alteration that obviously neither increase or decrease, but that would put us at the midpoint, obviously, then making assumptions around if the industry continues to grow, and you can see in our debt utilization across our fleet where there's opportunity for that, but also if a decline, that would take us top or bottom. And then there will obviously deployments if they go faster or slower is the key flex factors in that all at that constant currency. Do you want to add any to that?

Josh Kannourakis

analyst
#8

That's great. And so also, you did mention some of the upgrades and as you said, you've got some of the units that are tracking above nameplate capacity. Could you talk us through, are there many of the existing units that are running at capacity that are going through upgrades or expected to go through certain upgrades that could increase that capacity over this year as well over '27.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#9

Yes. Look, -- great question. So we've obviously focused in the last 12 months upgrading the units that are running up towards capacity. So when you see Australia sitting there up at 80-odd percent utilization. You can imagine that we're spending a fair bit of time getting those units upgraded to get that extra 10%, 15% through those units. A fair amount of the fleet is now upgraded. We're probably talking about half of the fleet is upgraded with those software upgrades. So there's a bit of room to go. But yes, that gives you a bit of an indication of where we are at the moment.

Josh Kannourakis

analyst
#10

Got it. Okay. No, that's really helpful. And so do you think -- is there an expectation or the demand that the rest of those might be upgraded with those software and other upgrades across this year? Is that how we should expect

Dirk Treasure

executive
#11

Yes, absolutely. Over time, we look to roll all of those upgrades across the entire fleet. But I would caution that, that doesn't necessarily mean that we expect all of our units to be running at 100% or 110% capacity cost a comfortable capacity for us is in that sort of 70% to 80%

Josh Kannourakis

analyst
#12

Yes. Yes. No, that makes sense. Perfect. And then just another question as well. in terms of the D&A side of things, maybe Brett, could you just run through that? Because I guess there's a couple of implications of the DNA, like maybe you could run through how we should expect it are we reading that that's a $9 million reduction? Or is it $9 million reduction on what you would expect have otherwise been. So maybe just a little bit more color on that. And then in our models, a lot of us look at replacements linear accelerators, for example, after 10 years, things like that? Like should we be thinking about expanding that out to 15 years as the modeling has now suggested?

Brett Coventry

executive
#13

Yes. Thanks, Josh. So first of all, let's start with the depreciation piece, yes, that is the the $9 million depreciation is our expectation of savings on the existing fleet for next financial year. So there would be a reduction in the depreciation cost for next financial year of that $9 million across the fleet. So that's -- and then going forward, you have a useful life of 15 years for the assets we're deploying. And then as we think about those, the linear accelerator replacement, that would be thinking about that being around the 15 years. We're not seeing any signs of impairment or anything else at this point in time, but we're still getting towards our 10, 15 years. We're challenging that as we go through, but that's kind of where we're pushing that thought process out to, if at all.

Operator

operator
#14

Your next question comes from Joseph House with Bell Potter Securities.

Joseph House

analyst
#15

Congrats on a strong update. Just 2 questions from me. Firstly, are there any learnings perhaps over the last 12 to 18 months around your deployment to help deliver a more consistent and improved cadence going forward?

Brett Coventry

executive
#16

I'd say that's a great question, Joe. That's yours.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#17

Look, I think we're constantly learning. And you're at the mercy of what the contracted base looks like. So something that I commented on earlier in this update is -- it's not just the number of units that we have in our contracted pipeline. It's the strength of those contracts or counterparties. So as we've come through the 24 additional units and in the forecast period, -- those are all very, very strong contracts. At the same time, we are seeing ongoing deployment of the units that we already had signed up. So there's a couple of MSA units that have been deployed. There's also recently released by Paragon, one of our larger customers that haven't bored all of their units. They've just released a market that they're expecting the [ Quin ] to take on more units on to their mine sites. So those are the types of things that we see driving some of the historic contracts. But for the newer contracts, it really comes down to the strength of size and the strength of the counterparties. So we're pretty excited with how that book is starting to look I mean the addition of 9 ALS units last year, 3 SPS, 2VV, 1 Intertek, these are all the biggest names in the industry. So that should help us to get away from site readiness challenges. Also, the bigger that, that contracted book is, the more we're in a position where if a customer isn't ready for delivery, we can instead deploy that unit to an alternative location. So I think there's some learnings that we've had on the ground. But more importantly, it's just the strength and breadth of that contracted book.

Joseph House

analyst
#18

Yes. And is there any color you can provide on leads for new lease agreements? I understand conditions are quite favorable on the ground with respect to exploration activity. Are you seeing that supporting discussions with, say, new and existing clients now to say compared to 6 months ago?

Dirk Treasure

executive
#19

Yes. So we've always talked about our dual channel to market. So 1 being through laboratories and 1 being directly to the miners. And I think the pathway to the mine is largely noncyclical. So irrespective of kind of where we are in the mining cycle, we're out there pounding the pavement, we're talking to miners, we're converting miners over time. What we do see there is a cyclicality in the laboratory space. And to your point, right now, we're seeing increased sample volumes going through labs. We're seeing looking at building capacity around the world. Certainly, we want to be a part of that. And again, I come back to my comments before about the laboratory contracts that we've signed up in the last 12 months. One of the pieces in there that, again, we're quite excited about is the breadth at which, for example, ALS is rolling out Photon asset. So growing not just the number of units in regions that are already using photon assay, but growing us into regions that haven't had Foton so exposure before. So certainly, from our side, made the good times to continue with exploration. But the things that are really in our control are those mine site deployments, the ongoing development of applications for those miners and even being able to have those miners telling the story of their adoption to other miners. For those on the call who haven't seen it jump on Arlington jump on our website. We've just done a really exciting campaign with Oceana Gold, where we've interviewed a number of the operators at the mine site talking about their adoption. That complements what we've done previously with Ravenswood. And we also have Nevada Gold Mines, the biggest gold miner in the world talking at a conference in September, October as to their adoption of the technology. And then this ongoing halo effect really just allows us to continue to drive that adoption and continue to get new lease agreements signed.

Joseph House

analyst
#20

Great. And just maybe lastly, I know you spoke about getting that manufacturing cadence up to 18 units. Is there a time line on that ramp-up? Or -- and is it dependent on new lease agreements throughout FY '27

Dirk Treasure

executive
#21

Yes. So it's probably more dependent on the lease agreement through FY '26. So the turnaround time to ramp up is around about 12 months. So you can kind of read the tea leaves here that sometime in the last 6 months, we put the foot on the accelerator building back towards that 18 units. You couple that with our strategy here of doubling the number of units deployed over the coming 3 years. So that gives you quite a nice cadence in that 15 or so per year and 1 extra that starts to, again, read the tales and you can build the models from that.

Operator

operator
#22

Your next question comes from Lindsay Bettiol with Goldman Sachs.

Lindsay Bettiol

analyst
#23

Okay. So a couple of maybe definitional questions. This like deployment, I call it, a time line you give us -- we've got 6 units installing and final waiting installing fiber waiting installation. So my reading on that, like, I know this want to be a perfect science. But -- should we assume something like the 6 to be deployed in roughly a quarter and the additional fiber waiting in station should be deployed in like 6 months, something like that? Is that like the best way to think about it that you're looking at maybe 11 deployments over the next 6 months? Or tell me where that thing is wrong.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#24

It's a nice way to think about it. And again, I'm always cautious around guidance on the units. I mean, from our perspective, we want to deploy units as quickly as we can, as quickly as the customers are ready to deploy them. So the piece there that is in our control is the manufacturing of those units and transportation, et cetera, et cetera. We have a very firm definition of what we consider to be deploying, which is unchanged for the last sort of 5 years, which is really when we've got boots on the ground, we're bolting the units to the floor and we're putting these units together. And generally, it's taking us about 7 to 8 weeks to get a unit up and running. So the 6 that we've said are deploying should all be operating at most 8 weeks from now. As to the other ones that are the 9 that are sitting there is the pre ship, the shipping or the awaiting installation, really, what we're saying is we are ready to go, and then we're working with each of our customers on when their site is ready to start installation of those units. It's not really answering the question, but this is where we're trying to provide that sort of longer-term guidance to say we intend to double the fleet over the coming 3 years. and then really these 9 units that are sitting there, we aim to get out as quickly as possible, but we're not really providing a time line around it.

Lindsay Bettiol

analyst
#25

No, that's helpful. And I mean I got the 6 units a week out of you. So -- so then if I look beyond those initial 11, you've got another 4 that are either shipping or pre ships, but then it looks like it's 28-ish that have either been signed and not yet manufactured, but it all ties into your CapEx question. So it looks like your CapEx stepped down a lot in second half and the first half, presumably because you've been preordering for a lot of the stuff. Like how do we think about, one, your CapEx in the next, let's say, 12 months? And two, tying that into like the manufacturing fees, like how quick you going to look at the 6, are you going to manufacture 18 years as fast as you can? Or is there like enough in the pipeline that you'll probably slowly manufacture those, just those 2 questions, please.

Brett Coventry

executive
#26

So capital commitments, you can see in there increased to $114 million, which gives that visibility to the around $81 million get to 81, which is the unit #81 effectively has been ordered out to in long lead time items. And -- we've set out in the back of this deck as we have in previous decks, the spend profile of when we spend that money to have a unit deployed. I think -- we are looking at -- we have 87 contracts signed now, obviously, 81 ordered out to full units. And then we've got the long lead time pieces. As we deploy from here, obviously, we start to incur those further cash spend, we obviously got the commitments now, and that's the profile that we'd see going forward in terms of paying for those units as we deploy them. And you could think about them across -- obviously, we have some favorable terms as we ordered them. but we would pay for them across the time as we deploy them. Going forward, we've got significant lead time items ordered now to make sure that we are able to fill that doubling up the fleet over the next 3 years.

Lindsay Bettiol

analyst
#27

Yes, as that's helpful. I'll thank check a little bit. Just on the utilization that is given us by geography are interesting. And I think like you would take like the glass half last half empty read. The Glass full read would be like the Americas and EMEA have some catching up to do. And maybe we could assume like utilization improves in those jurisdictions. Obviously, the flip side is maybe Apax over earning and utilization come down with site returns. So maybe could just pass those 2 thoughts and help us understand like where you think steady-state utilization plans and like why is such a difference between the regions?

Dirk Treasure

executive
#28

So there's always going to be a difference in the regions with respect to adoption of the technology. And I think that we are continuing to see in all of the locations that we operate in, there's a time to move toward adoption. So Australia kind of empirical evidence is that a few of the laboratories are now running more photon assays than they are fire assays. So we are actually becoming that dominant technique in Australia. We're still a ways off that in these international regions. So as we do become the dominant technique, we would expect to see those utilizations grow. It does get a little bit confusing when you consider that these units are in all sorts of different locations. You can imagine that something like Perth and Kalgoorlie are quite -- like for a small region, it has a lot of gold, where we deploy into other places around the world, you may not have quite as prolific gold mining region around the units. I know there are some really good analysts yourself included Lindsay where you're kind of looking at where the physical units are around the world. And then that starts to give you an indication of is there enough gold around it to be running at toward the up end of capacity. I commented to Josh's question before that a comfortable capacity for us is somewhere between 70% and 80%. But realistically, we can earn decent returns on these -- the whole way down to 40 even 30 depending on pricing and location. The real focus for us is on that revenue per unit, and we're intending to keep that in that same sort of ballpark of where we are. with the idea that you can have upside with respect to growing salable volumes, further application moving into different analytes as well. So the gold -- sorry, the copper silver and where we go beyond that as well. Again, not sort of a definitive answer to the question, but it effectively means in those locations where we have lower utilization. There is opportunity to grow adoption without deploying more capital. In Australia, where we're running toward the upper end of utilization, you would need to be deploying more units to be able to support the industry.

Lindsay Bettiol

analyst
#29

Yes. Okay. No, I think like -- maybe just asked a slightly different way, when you answered the question, but I suppose when looking at -- like the differences in utilization like 1 reading would be, to your point, it's like a mix difference depending on whether the unit is located. It sounds like that -- I mean there's obviously a piece of that. But also like EMEA and the Americas could structurally go up just over time, Judy, you're

Dirk Treasure

executive
#30

helping educate them maturing market comfortable with machine

Lindsay Bettiol

analyst
#31

Yes. So that's what I was trying to get at. It's not that that comes down to the others potentially go up Yes. And we're certainly in a position that we can support that. Yes. Perfect carats --

Operator

operator
#32

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jules Cooper with Sean Partners Limited.

Jules Cooper

analyst
#33

So just a question. You've mentioned a couple of things. The quality of the contract book now relative to sort of previous years, deploying 6 units is a good start to the year. You've just said then that you intend to keep revenue per unit sort of where it is now. Should we Look, I know within the guidance, there is an assumption around the deployment cadence through the year. But is there any reason, just given you've got that strong contract book the deployment schedule like first half, second half, it should be fairly even, I would think. Or am I sort of reading that wrong? And there still is a stronger sort of second half and a lot's got to go right to sort of deliver against that midpoint of your guidance?

Dirk Treasure

executive
#34

No. Look, you're probably right. There's no reason to assume that it's going to be a particularly heavily weighted back end. And we're really trying to build the -- or provide the building blocks now for the models. So we've talked about an upper capacity for manufacturing of the 18 per year, a 3-year target of 46 units doubling our fleet. So that gives you a kind of average 15 per year max 18 per year with respect to where they land during the year, it really comes back to when are the customers ready to receive them. So you've obviously got 6 upfront. So if we said that for the year, to 15-ish as the number, the 6 upfront to get to half that number, we would only need to deploy 3 more in the first half -- we are ready. We have units. They're either on the water or at site between those 9 units that are either preshipping or at sites ready for installation. So I think an assumption of more or less the same number per half would be fine.

Jules Cooper

analyst
#35

Yes. Okay. And really helpful sort of providing that longer-term view on the business around sort of doubling the installed base. I guess the question is why now? Are you sort of providing this? Like what are you seeing in the business now that's different to the past that you sort of go, hey, we're going to start talking about it 2 or 3 years out as to where we think it's going. I'm just interested in that sort of change there.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#36

Probably 2 things. I mean 1 is our maturity as a business and I guess, the viewpoint from the investor side. The thing that I wouldn't want to see is we're deploying 6 units right now. So first quarter is going to be 6 units great. Let's multiply that by 4 versus 4 quarters in a year and then everyone puts their models at 24 units per year in perpetuity and the DTF models kind of doubled. So it's just trying to provide that this is our best visibility of what we see in the market at the moment, coupled between our ability to deploy our customer demand and our manufacturing capacity and trying to kind of balance those. I think the other thing is that we need to keep in mind that 10 years ago, we didn't exist. We have had an industry adopt our technology phenomenally quickly for something that is a very different way to what the industry has done historically. That broad adoption that we've seen, particularly accelerating in the last, say, 24 months, where we've got all those major laboratories. We've got those major miners adopting the technology, really does give us that sort of long-term direction toward becoming the dominant gold analysis technique I mean, for those on this call that have followed along for a long time, I've constantly said, our plan is to get to global domination with this technology and we've got every confidence that we will do it. I think as you've then got more and more of these labs and these big miners using it endorsing it and for the labs, in particular, marketing it for us, we're on that journey. So it's trying to provide a little bit more as we get more transparency and visibility going forward, just providing that through to yourselves as well.

Jules Cooper

analyst
#37

Excellent. And maybe just one, if I could, to Brett. Brett, you made a comment there that the global platform is delivering leverage now. I guess we can sort of back out the implied cost base that you've guided to now for FY '27. But just more stepping back from that, where do you start to see that sort of global platform having been built out now for the business? And when the sort of incremental costs are really just around that cost of above your gross margin line, just the maintenance cost and things like that when we've got that footprint established. Are we sort of close to that? Or is it still a couple of years away? Or how should we think about that?

Brett Coventry

executive
#38

I don't think there's going to be we haven't forecast a step change that happens tomorrow at this point in time, Jules. I think we're thinking about it that we have a goal to continue to grow revenue with the mine to costs, obviously increasing at a much slower rate. And we continue to think about how we do things better across the globe and how our teams function and we deliver our compliance and operating requirements as best we can going forward without actually continuing to happen to scale that cost. But saying and putting a target future EBITDA or there's going to be a cliff that we just drop off at. I think it's just going to continue to be a continued improvement in those EBITDA margins as we roll forward. And so that's how we're thinking about growing the business at this point in time.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#39

Yes. And I guess just to add to that, is that disciplined growth. This year, we are going into somewhere in the order of 10 new countries for deployments supported by the major laboratories and major miners. And it's making sure that even as we do that, we are building that revenue at a significantly sort of slower rate than we build our costs. And you can see that as it comes through in the EBITDA and revenue guidance where we've got an increasing revenue uplift in the order of 28% and an increasing EBITDA uplift in the order of 42% if we take the midpoint of guidance.

Operator

operator
#40

Your next question comes from Wayne Arthur, Private Investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#41

on you for what I think was a very comprehensive presentation. I've got 2 questions. First question is, is anyone else doing this sort of stuff? In other words, have you got any competition from other technology companies.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#42

Look, great question, and something that we -- we have a free feel to roll out this technology. We're always conscious that we were left market entrants, there may be something out there at some stage that comes in to compete with us, which is 1 of the reasons why we think of growth being part of strategy. By the time anyone developed something that could compete with us, we want to make sure that we have dominant market share and then they're working to displace PhotonAssay rather than fire assay. I mean step back a few things to kind of how is our adoption working. We are better in practically every way to fire assay in normal ore grade ranges. And this is a technology -- well, fire assay is a requirement for the industry. Effectively, you can't operate without analysis. So we're coming in with this better technology in every way, and we're charging a competitive rate. And we're 10 years into that journey, we're at 8% market share. So I think there's a long way to run for us. I think anyone else coming in, we want to make sure they're competing with our technology rather than fire assay. But you're working in a conservative industry where it takes people a long time to change anyway. So probably a longer answer to your question rather than just to say no. We're not really seeing anyone else in this space. We've got patents that cover us around the world. We're probably more concerned about someone coming in with something that we've never thought of before. But we keep a fairly close watch on the industry as to whether anything will end up competing with us.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#43

Okay. And the second question, as you described earlier, this year's result was a step change on last year. So the company is profitable. And the cash flow is looking very, very much improved. So is there -- can we expect some dividends in the second half of this financial year?

Dirk Treasure

executive
#44

Oh, definitely not. I think it's -- so come back to unit economics for a second. And our goal really is around that growth is part of our strategy because we've got this free run in the industry. We want to make sure that we become the dominant player each unit costs around about AUD 4 million to build we ship out around 10% of spares as well. So we're rolling out 15 units in the year, you can multiply 15 by 4.4 and you get an indication of the amount of money that we spend on new units that are going out. flip that around, we had $17.9 million of cash flow this year or we had an EBITDA of $27 million -- and again, you come back to the cost to build a unit, that means that we're rolling out somewhere between 5 and 7 units from cash flow. But if we're going out now to build 46 units over the next 3 years, we need to fund that as we go. At some stage, if we slow growth or stopped growth of new units, immediately, the company starts to spin off cash flow. So there would definitely be a beat there of moving toward dividends or something like that. But the trough cash flow positive inflection point happens at some stage, but based on how quickly we grow. So for example, if we grew at 6 units per year, yes, we will probably be dividend paying by next year or the second half. If we're growing at 15% per year, then that infection point is a little bit down the path.

Operator

operator
#45

Your next question comes from Sam Clark with Goldman Sachs.

Sam Clark

analyst
#46

Just a quick one. Just on the deployment slide, could you just reconcile with the units manufactured at 59% and then deployed at 46%. And then looking at the pipeline, you've got obviously, fix being installed, fiber weighting in sale and then 3 in 1 preship and shipping. So I've got 15 there, but then 13 as the difference between the 2 up top. If you could just walk us through that.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#47

That is a great question. Let me we're just having a look at the slide. Sorry, can you say that again? So which number are you trying to reconcile?

Sam Clark

analyst
#48

So we've got manufactured up top is now $59 million and then deployed 46. But then if you work through down the bottom, you've got 46 deployed and then add the 6 for installing gets you to 52 at 5 for install 57 than 58 than 61 versus the 59% up? I think you'll find that it's not including the pre-ship -- so it's 46 plus 11 takes you to 57, 58, 59. So the shipping to site, awaiting installation, installing deployed redeployment is 59. And then we've got the recipe store.

Operator

operator
#49

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'll turn the call to Dirk for closing remarks.

Dirk Treasure

executive
#50

Thank you, Sarah, and thank you, everyone, for attending today. I appreciate all the insightful questions. Look forward to providing you with further updates throughout the coming year.

Operator

operator
#51

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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