Cleveland-Cliffs Inc. (CLF) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 28, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Daniel Fairclough
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, and good morning, everybody. This is Daniel Fairclough from the ArcelorMittal Investor Relations team. Thank you very much for joining today's call to discuss the transaction we announced this morning, whereby we have entered into a definitive agreement with Cleveland-Cliffs, who will acquire 100% of the shares of ArcelorMittal USA. Let me first introduce all of today's participants on the call. We have Mr. Mittal, our Chairman and CEO. We have Aditya Mittal, President and CFO; and we also have Genuíno Christino, the Head of Finance. Mr. Mittal and Aditya will make a brief presentation. The slides that they will be referring to are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. This brief presentation will then be followed by a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] So finally, before we begin, I'd like to highlight that this call is being recorded, and also point you to the disclaimers on Page 2 of the presentation slide deck. And with that, I will hand over to Mr. Mittal.
Lakshmi Mittal
executiveThank you, Daniel. Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining us on such short notice. We are pleased to present this transaction between ArcelorMittal USA and Cleveland-Cliffs. This transaction brings together 2 of the most important companies in North America. It's a combination that we strongly believe creates significant value for our shareholders. It enables ArcelorMittal to strategically reposition our North American platform, unlock value for our shareholders and strengthen our balance sheet. The Boards of both companies have unanimously approved the transaction, and we look forward to progressing to close within the fourth quarter of this year. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the employees of ArcelorMittal USA for everything they have done to build a quality business with a reputation as a trusted quality supplier of steels for the U.S. economy. We first acquired Inland back in 1997 and then merged with ISG in 2004 to create Mittal Steel. So we have long history together, and I am pleased that we will continue to have a participation, albeit passive, in the new company. Moving to the presentation. As the slide shows, we see multiple benefits to ArcelorMittal from this transaction. First and foremost, we are strategically repositioning our North American platform to focus on key attractive segments through our high-quality and highly competitive assets, Dofasco in Canada, AM/NS Calvert in Alabama and ArcelorMittal Mexico, while retaining the support of our best-in-class research and development program and innovation centers. We are achieving this at a compelling valuation outcome for ArcelorMittal USA. This transaction unlocks the value of ArcelorMittal USA at a very attractive multiple of approximately 6x, based on a through-the-cycle EBITDA and approximately 8x EBITDA based on the last audited financials for the year ending December 2019. Our passive shareholding should benefit from the synergies created through this combination. Of course, there is a positive financial impact on ArcelorMittal through the deconsolidation of significant balance sheet liabilities at ArcelorMittal USA. And as a result of the strengthened financial position, this is an opportunity to return cash to ArcelorMittal shareholders through a share buyback, which we launched today. So with this overview, I will now hand over to Adit to go through these points in some more detail. Adit?
Aditya Mittal
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, and good morning, everyone. For everyone who has downloaded the presentation on our website, I'm actually on Slide 4, which outlines the specific details of the transaction. Cleveland-Cliffs, as you know, will acquire 100% of the shares of ArcelorMittal USA for a combination of cash and stock at an aggregate equity value consideration of $1.4 billion. Approximately 1/3 of the consideration will be paid to us in upfront cash, and the remaining 2/3 will be in the form of equity. The equity component is a combination of common stock with a value of $0.5 billion and a preferred stock with a value of $373 million. Lastly, Cleveland-Cliffs will assume the liabilities of ArcelorMittal USA, including net liabilities of approximately $0.5 billion and pensions and OPEBs, which Cliffs values at $1.5 billion. Turning to Slide 5. The combination of these 2 highly complementary assets will create significant synergies, which will contribute to long-term value creation for our shareholders through our passive stake in the combined company. As you may have heard this morning, Cliffs' management have announced that they have identified an estimated $150 million of annual cost synergies. The key areas of synergies include the optimization of the combined footprint, raw material sourcing and supply chain efficiencies and also the integration of corporate functions. Let me move to the next slide. As you heard right in our opening remarks, the most important aspect of this transaction is the opportunity for us to strategically reposition our footprint in North America to focus on our highly competitive and high-quality assets. We have significantly invested in these assets in recent years in order to increase their production volume, quality and cost competitiveness. Today, they represent a strong footprint from which to execute our North American strategy and they position us favorably to compete in this market. Dofasco, as you know, is a world-class leading facility, while ArcelorMittal Mexico provides inviable value-add and downstream capabilities. Both of these assets have been recently modernized and are considered amongst the lowest-cost producers in the region. Calvert, which is already amongst the world's most advanced steel finishing facilities, will be further enhanced by the recently announced plan to construct an electric arc furnace to optimize its slab sourcing. I should also highlight the fact that ArcelorMittal will retain our R&D program and innovation centers to maintain our constant product and process development. This underpins our leadership position and enables us to remain ahead of the competition as a material and steel manufacturer of choice for our customers. Let me now turn to the next slide, which is Slide #7 and explain how this transaction fits with our capital allocation strategy. This deal completes our $2 billion asset portfolio optimization target, well ahead of the time line we had set ourselves. While considering the challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic, I believe it is a significant achievement. We receive upfront cash, but the more significant impact from this transaction is the deconsolidation of the associated liabilities from our balance sheet, which is comprising mostly of pension and OPEB liabilities. So you will see that post the conclusion of this transaction that there has been a strengthening of the group's capital structure and credit metrics. This kick starts the return of capital to shareholders. We intend to redistribute the $500 million of cash proceeds through the share buyback program. The buyback will commence as of today as for the company's share buyback mandate and will continue until the earlier of March 31, 2021, or when ArcelorMittal has fully utilized the allocated $500 million. The deconsolidation of ArcelorMittal USA will also reduce ArcelorMittal's cash needs, which is, as some of you may be aware, maintenance CapEx, cash interest, cash taxes and other cash costs by approximately $400 million. Let me now turn to the last slide of our presentation. To conclude, this transaction enables us to achieve 3 key outcomes. First and most importantly, we strategically reposition our footprint in North America to focus on our high-quality and highly competitive assets; secondly, we realize a great value for ArcelorMittal USA with significant potential upside through our passive minority shareholding in a highly synergistic combination; and lastly, we generate shareholder value through a strengthened balance sheet and an opportunity to return cash to shareholders. With that, we are happy to take your questions. Thank you.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveThanks, Aditya. Thanks, Mr. Mittal. So we will move to take the first question, please, from Carsten at Crédit Suisse.
Carsten Riek
analystThe question from my side is, is this transaction the end of your divestment program? Or will you still look to optimize the portfolio through further divestments because you hinted earlier there could be still some stakes sold in some of your mining operations? Or do we see a new program being launched very soon?
Aditya Mittal
executiveThank you, Carsten. This is the end of our $2 billion portfolio optimization plan that we had announced. Going forward, look, we'll always review our portfolio and see the opportunities to optimize, but there is no plan to announce any program in the near term, nor is there any target that I would think of. I think the key takeaway from this transaction is that we strengthened our balance sheet. We have improved our credit metrics. We have improved our credit profile, and it provides us with an opportunity to kick start the return of cash to shareholders.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveWe'll take the next question from Seth at Exane.
Seth Rosenfeld
analystCongrats on completing this deal. I have, I guess, a two-part question, sorry, with regard to the buyback. First, can you please confirm whether or not the Mittal family will be participating in the buyback and selling back shares? And secondly, recognizing that we're launching the buyback today before any cash has been received and the deal is closed. What does that, I guess, tell us about your perception of cash generation on the horizon? Obviously, the $500 million would actually be net neutral versus the cash we're expecting upfront. You're speaking positively about the equity stake on a go-forward basis as well. So how should we interpret that with regards to the perception of future cash generation of the business today?
Aditya Mittal
executiveOkay. Seth, first of all thank you for your question and your wishes. So in terms of the family, the family is not participating in the buyback, which means that our shareholding -- the family shareholding will accrete in the company. I hope that's clear. In terms of the cash requirements of the business, as you heard, the cash requirements of the business is going down. And in terms of what the signals in terms of the horizon, I would just say that, look, we have confidence that this deal will close. We think it's an opportune time to begin returning cash to shareholders. And hence, we are starting with the buyback. Seth, have I answered all your questions?
Seth Rosenfeld
analystYes. That's fine.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll take the next question, please, from Rochus at Kepler.
Rochus Brauneiser
analystKey point I'm interested in is to what extent net working capital is transferred to Cliffs, and -- yes.
Aditya Mittal
executiveOkay, sure. In terms of the net working capital that is transferred to Cliffs, roughly the amount is $1.1 billion to $1.2 billion. This includes the inventory that we are transferring. It includes the payables, and it includes the assumption that they assume our receivable factoring program. So post that is $1.1 billion to $1.2 billion. Excluding the receivable program, it would be roughly $400 million to $500 million less.
Rochus Brauneiser
analystGot it. Can you also help us to understand the nature of these other liabilities besides pension and OPEB is transferred to Cliffs?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. I think you will have more disclosure when we present our balance sheet with the conclusion of this transaction. But these environmental, ARO, some leases and things like that.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveWe'll take the next question, please, from Jason at Bank of America.
Jason Fairclough
analystI'm just wondering, folks, you're going to be a fairly large shareholder of Cliffs post this deal at make it about 1/4 of the market cap. So do you get any Board representation? And are you subject to lockup of the shares of Cliffs that you'll be receiving as consideration?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. Thank you, Jason. So in terms of directly, we are 16% shareholder of Cleveland-Cliffs. And in case the preferred shares are paid out in -- with common equity, then our shareholding, obviously, would increase beyond that. If it's paid out in cash, then we would remain a 16% shareholder. Maybe a side point. The way the preferred works, it tracks 58 million shares. And so whatever is the value on the time of redemption of that, they either pay us 58 million shares or the equivalent cash value. In terms of the lockup, we have a 6-month lockupandthen we can sell down half of our stake. And then up to 12 months, there is no more lockup. We have a passive stake. We have no governance rights. We're not represented on the Board. At this point in time, we have not taken any decision as to our intentions vis-à-vis the stake.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveWe'll take the next question, please, from Luke at JPMorgan.
Luke Nelson
analystJust questions on the cash flow generated from those U.S. assets. Obviously, we can back calculate the EBITDA, but an indication of the cash flow associated with them over the last 12 to 18 months and then also just an indication on go-forward for Mittal group, what the ongoing sustaining CapEx needs are for the business, excluding these assets.
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. Thank you. So roughly, the way we think about the business is the business has $400 million of cash requirements. And this is roughly $250 million to $260 million of CapEx and $130 million to $150 million of benefit expense. When I say benefit expense, I'm referring directly to pension and OPEB liabilities. And then that would be obviously the cash requirements. And then the EBITDA numbers, I think there have been some numbers floating around on what has been the EBITDA of this business. If you look at a 5-year average, which we are calling through the cycle, it's about $550 million. So that gives you a sense of what is the free cash flow power of this business through the cycle. Clearly, '18, '19, the EBITDA level of this business was much stronger. Especially '18, which was significantly higher than the through-the-cycle average. '19 was lower than through-the-cycle average. The combination of the 2 would generate about $300 million in free cash flow. '19, lower than my average of $150 million and obviously, '18 higher than my average of $150 million. I don't know if that helps answer the question. In terms of our...
Luke Nelson
analystYes, it does.
Aditya Mittal
executiveOkay. Good. Okay. Great. In terms of cash requirements for our business, our cash requirements declined as a result by $400 million. And again, it's the same breakdown, $250 million, $260 million CapEx, $130 million, $150 million of other cash costs.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll move to the next question please from Christian at SocGen.
Christian Georges
analystCongratulations for a good deal indeed. Just one question. What's your new integration in terms of raw materials with the businesses you retain as far as I know and coal is concerned?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSo we still retain the rest of our mining assets, right? Flagship mining asset is our facility in Canada, which has 26 million tonnes of concentrate capacity, as you know, a 10 million tonnes of pelletizing capability and then obviously, with mining assets in Liberia and other parts of the world. We are just divesting the assets which are directly associated with the AM USA footprint. The impact on our mining segment is marginal. There's a small impact due to the divestment of Princeton Coal in the U.S. But other than that, the impact on the mining segment is marginal. The real impact is on our NAFTA segment.
Christian Georges
analystRight. And on NAFTA, what's to retain of NAFTA? There's nothing changing on the remaining plants, whether you integrate them or not within your mining system.
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes, that is correct. There's -- because the iron ore that was part of the AM USA system was consumed by AM USA. So AM USA was not selling iron ore to any of our other facilities. I mean, occasionally, there'd be swaps and things like that. But fundamentally, the flows were not between AM USA mines to Dofasco, as an example.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll move to the next question, please, from Alain at Morgan Stanley.
Alain Gabriel
analystSo one question is on antitrust. Where do you see the biggest risks and considerations when thinking about antitrust?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSo in terms of antitrust, obviously, we're both highly confident that there are no concerns on the regulatory front because, at the end of the day, this is not -- how do I describe it, efficiently, this is not the 2 largest companies in the U.S. coming together, right? This is one of the largest players in North America divesting its share and a relatively smaller player becoming larger. So if you look at the share concentration, I don't believe it fundamentally changes.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll take the next question, please, from Myles at UBS.
Myles Allsop
analystJust thinking about the sort of retirement liabilities. Obviously, Cliffs has a lower valuation than yourselves. So I mean the 20-F valuation looks very conservative on a relative basis. Can you kind of explain what the main driver for that is? Will you revisit the valuations of your other assets? Obviously, you don't have $3 billion, $4 billion of pension and post-retirement liabilities. Are we overestimating them in our enterprise value? And then just linked to that as well, will you reconsider the $7 billion net debt target now that the broader liability of the group is lower? Should we kind of see potential for a higher threshold for net debt?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. I'll talk about the net debt. And then I'll let Genuíno to talk about our balance sheet and the assumptions that underpin it. So in terms of net debt, I think fundamentally, as you see from this transaction, we are reducing a lot of liabilities from our balance sheet. The credit profile is improving. The risk profile is also improving. Profitability per tonne improves as well as an example. And we have started the return of cash to shareholders with this buyback. So the net debt target remains, but I would look at it more holistically that, overall, the liabilities have been reduced. The portfolio has been -- the portfolio optimization program has been achieved. Portfolio has been improved as well. And now we have the cash generating capability and the balance sheet capability to begin returning cash to shareholders. Genuíno?
Genuino Christino
executiveYes, sure, Aditya. So I can comment on our balance sheet. So I believe that Cliffs in their call this morning, they elaborate on how they have valued those liabilities. I can only comment on our books, we do not see any opportunity to reduce the size of the liabilities given that the assumptions, the key assumptions are all defined by the accounting standards. So we do not see an opportunity here to change it now going forward before the close of the transaction. But I believe you can understand by listening to how Cliffs valuate the rationale behind it.
Myles Allsop
analystIs there a difference between IFRS and U.S. GAAP in terms of how these liabilities are discounted?
Genuino Christino
executiveNo, no. We don't believe that there are big differences between IFRS and U.S. GAAP.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll move to the next question, please, from Ephrem at Citi.
Ephrem Ravi
analystMy question was on the liabilities where it's not entirely clear because I don't think Cliffs was clear on their call. They mentioned an NPV versus you took a more sort of literal mechanical interpretation. So we'll come back to that. I think kind of the question other than that was essentially on whether the Mexican and the Canadian assets were up for discussion at all as part of this transaction. Or was it just exclusively a U.S. transaction? And if so, why?
Daniel Fairclough
executiveAditya, you might be on mute. Sorry.
Aditya Mittal
executiveOh, sorry. Thanks, Daniel. The discussion was just around our AM USA asset base. And the reason why -- and I know it may sound cliche, but really, in this case, it's not. It's a win-win for both when just looking at the AM USA asset base. Cliffs is long on iron ore. AM USA is short on iron ore. Cliffs gets scale and synergies from the combination of they recently acquired AK Steel assets with AM US. And we retain our position in North America through the existing asset base, Dofasco, Calvert and Mexico, which, as I mentioned, are low-cost, high-quality assets and are able to cater to the most demanding customers. We also retain our R&D. So the conversation was just about how do we create a win-win for both, and this is a strategic repositioning of assets that both companies have agreed to. Does that help answer your question?
Ephrem Ravi
analystThank you.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveThanks, Ephrem. Hopefully you were satisfied as well with your point on the balance sheet liability, [Operator Instructions] But in the meantime, we'll move on to Phil at KeyBanc.
Philip Gibbs
analystAditya, I somehow recall in the past, I've heard you, you guys have about 5 million to 6 million tonnes of annual automotive contract business. Curious if that was still the case pre-transaction and whether or not that, that 5 million to 6 million tonnes includes Calvert.
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes. So Phil, you have a very good memory. So roughly, that's in the ballpark. And I think that the changes in that number matches the changes in automotive production, right? So that's roughly a good number when automotive is running full. AM USA represents about 40% of that number. So the rest is automotive shipments from both Calvert and Dofasco. Does that help answer your question?
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll move to Grant at Bloomberg Intelligence.
Grant Sporre
analystThe sale of ArcelorMittal USA simplifies the business quite a lot, particularly in North America. Are there any more opportunities to, let's say, trim head office costs, et cetera?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. Thank you for your question. I do agree that this strategically repositions our presence in North America. Post the COVID pandemic, we began our efforts on overall sustainable fixed cost reduction throughout all of our facilities and through our head office as well. Clearly, those efforts continue. And I think if you looked at our second quarter results, we made a lot of headway in variabilizing our fixed cost. That's what we spoke about then. And I think the effort right now is to make it structural. I think we're making good progress on making a lot of these fixed costs that came down in the second quarter into structural fixed cost savings. And what we talked about was we would update all of you when we report our year-end results. So the effort is exactly what you talk about. It's focused on the corporate office, focused on corporate functions across the board, across our facilities. I don't believe this transaction directly impacts it. But clearly, it provides us the ability to look a bit closer and see if there are any other further reductions we should be making.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll take the next question, please, from Timna at Bank of America.
Timna Tanners
analystI wanted to just ask a high level, having watched you absorb all these different entities and seeing the composition of Mittal back in decade and half ago. Just does this change the thesis of the company being kind of this global enterprise in every region? Does this change the thinking about wanting to be a large automotive player? Can you talk a little bit about that? And is there an opportunity to continue to maintain that presence the same way with your existing assets? Just any changes philosophically that you can comment on a high level about the transaction?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. Thank you for your question. I think it doesn't change that thought process. I think the headline you should take away from our discussion this afternoon is that it's a strategic repositioning of assets but not a strategic repositioning of our market presence or product presence or customer presence. So specifically, I think the NAFTA market remains very important. We have divested a big chunk of our NAFTA market -- NAFTA market business. But we still retain a significant presence. Roughly half of the shipments have been reduced. But if you look at automotive, it's slightly less than that. We remain a strong regional player with the ability to grow in Calvert. We have announced the construction of an electric arc furnace. And as you know, Calvert is the most -- we think at least the most advanced finishing facility in the U.S. So I don't see this as a change in philosophy or change in vision or direction. I see this more as a strategic repositioning of our asset base. So that's how I would characterize it.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll -- I think we've got some follow-up questions now, Aditya, Mr. Mittal. The first is from Rochus at Kepler.
Rochus Brauneiser
analystMy question first to just the preceding one. So you are going to be half the size you were before in the NAFTA region. Are you envisaging any plans to grow the NAFTA presence from the other hubs in Mexico, just to maintain the same strengths with your customers there? And technically, how do you make up for the supplies of the Calvert plant now with the assets being sold? Are you maintaining a longer-term supply link with Cliffs? Or are you reconsidering the supply structure?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. So as you know, we are investing in the asset base in NAFTA, right? We continue to make lots of investments in Dofasco to improve its quality and competitive capability such as work we have done, both on the hot strip mill as well as our galvanizing lines. Specifically, in Mexico, we're actually building a new hot strip mill. And that's a significant project, almost $1 billion project that we're investing to have a stronger automotive presence as well in the Mexican market. And in Calvert, we have announced the construction of EAF facility. So the existing assets are growing in terms of both value-add capability as well as melt capability. In terms of slab supplies to Calvert, we have an agreement with Cliffs, where the slab supplies that exist today between Indiana Harbor and our Calvert facility are maintained for a period of 5 years. So in the medium term, there's no disruption to our slab supply into Calvert.
Rochus Brauneiser
analystOkay. Very good. On this structure, you mentioned the investments you're doing around the U.S. in the region. Would you say that the presence you have and the capabilities you have from there would be sufficient to have an adequate market stance in the NAFTA region?
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes, that's what we believe. And that's why we've retained all of our R&D capability in the NAFTA market. And as you know, we have a very significant R&D presence globally. And so that will continue to support our commercial product and process strategy in the NAFTA market.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveWe'll now go back to Seth at Exane.
Seth Rosenfeld
analystJust a quick one with regards to the Calvert EAF. Can you please confirm at this stage how that's being developed, whether it will be consolidated within ArcelorMittal as a part of the JV, so we can better understand the financing and the reporting of that going forward, please?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. So at this point in time, it's an ArcelorMittal investment. But clearly, we're also in discussions with our partner to see their thoughts. But fundamentally, as you know, we are responsible for the slab supply into that facility. So I don't see how the -- I don't see a fundamental change to those economics. But we can update you more as these things get finalized. So you can add more specific impacts on our company and what it actually means.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveAnd now we'll go back to Alain at Morgan Stanley.
Alain Gabriel
analystA quick question on your decision to do a buyback. Do you mind elaborating a bit more why doing a buyback as opposed to continuing the deleveraging process and accelerating the journey to the $7 billion? I'm just curious to see why you have thought that, that would be the best course going forward.
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure, sure. So there are 2 reasons. Number one, as I mentioned earlier, I think this transaction, if you think of it from a holistic perspective, achieves what we wanted to in terms of credit profile or credit metrics, right? Because we are reducing a lot of liabilities from our balance sheet. The second reason is also that we valued this business on through-the-cycle type of reference, right? That's the EBITDA basis that we have used to provide you with the sense of what was the transaction multiple. And at the same time, we don't believe this is the time to reduce exposure because of where we are in the steel cycle to steel equities. And so we see a very nice synergy in taking the cash that we receive from this transaction and reinvesting it in our own equity. And so that's the reason for the buyback.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveAnd we'll take a follow-up from Jason at Bank of America.
Jason Fairclough
analystSo just, Aditya, with the family as the largest equity shareholder, could you talk to us about why you're so focused on running the business for balance sheet credit metrics, so ultimately, running the business for debt holders? And I guess with that, would you expect the agencies to revisit ratings?
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes. I don't believe the family or anyone at ArcelorMittal management team, leadership or employees is running for debt holders. I think what we're doing is running the business to the best interest of all stakeholders. And I think what we strongly believe is that to survive in the long run and create value for all -- for shareholders is to have a low-gear balance sheet because you don't want your cost of capital to hinder your ability to innovate, to make the strategic moves or to invest in the facilities to improve their competitive performance. And so that's been the focus. And I really -- I don't believe the balance sheet has been a hindrance in us progressing our competitive strategy. Really, the focus has been on when do we repay our shareholders with dividends. And so we set a target more to begin the repayment of cash to shareholders. And I think today, what we're seeing is that we feel that the actions we have taken through this transaction and others, we are in a position to do that, hence, the buyback announcement. Jason, have I answered the question?
Jason Fairclough
analystYes, I think so. And then just on the rating agencies, any thoughts? Is that an active discussion? Or is that just something that happens over time?
Aditya Mittal
executiveI think that's just something that happens over time. Clearly, we're always in discussions and we were briefing them on this transaction as well. But I think, overall, the key message from our side is that, look, assets reposition in the U.S. to a stronger place; balance sheet, much stronger. And now as a result, as we always assured all of you, we have begun returning cash to shareholders.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo I think we've got 3 more follow-up questions. So we'll take the first of those from Luke at JPMorgan.
Luke Nelson
analystJust more generally on the deal structure. And given your comments about still being positive on the U.S. and U.S. market, how should we square that with a passive equity holding in Cliffs now and no board seat versus, say, achieving similar outcomes in different structures, for example, non-operated JV, where you could still achieve similar outcomes with reductions in deconsolidation of debt, et cetera? I'd just be interested in your thoughts on that.
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes. I mean those are all options and opportunities. I think the cleanest way for us was -- and I think it's also important to have Cliffs agree to something like that, right? It's just not what we want. But Cliffs was interested in the opportunity that AM USA offered to strengthen their business. We saw that and we see that it makes a lot of logic for them and a lot of logic for us. The shares are passive, but they do appreciate, I mean and they follow the financial performance of Cleveland-Cliffs. We are very confident on the synergies that can be achieved. We look deeply into this and that's why we had a slide in our deck as well. We think there are significant synergies in this combination as well and therefore, want to participate in the upside of that as well. Yes. I mean, just to add, I think deconsolidated joint venture and such structures are very complex. I mean they can work with one partner that we have with Nippon in the U.S., but to have multiple partners and multiple joint ventures also has a degree of complexity that I think none of us really desired.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveAnd we'll go back and take a question from Myles at UBS.
Myles Allsop
analystJust a quick question. I mean, given how steel prices are lifting, raw material costs are falling. It looks like you're going to generate lots of cash as we look forward over the next sort of 1 to 2 years. So how should we think about cash returns and the buyback versus dividend decision with the dividend? I know you haven't announced a new policy yet? But give us a few indicators around that. Will you pay dividend quarterly or will it be annually? And then the other thing that we've had, there's still a few skeptics out there. They think that now you've got more -- a stronger balance sheet, you're going to go and buy some other business. How can you give us -- address those concerns out there, provide the market with some reassurance that actually cash returns is the way forward now?
Aditya Mittal
executiveSure. I think that's an excellent question. I think we don't talk about it enough. But if you were to go back to my slide deck and you refer to the capital allocation or returning cash proceeds to shareholder slide, which is actually Slide #7, there, we have changed the allocation of capital. And I know we talked about it, but I don't think everyone has appreciated, hence your question, where we talked about investing in strengths. And really, we're focused on organic brownfield opportunities and measures to optimize cost and then returns to shareholders. So what we're suggesting is that returns to shareholders is a higher priority than acquisitions and things like that. And I think that's very important. And I think that is underpinning everything we've been trying to talk to all of you about. Coming back to your dividend question. Look, I think what we're trying to say today is we have announced a huge transaction for our NAFTA business. It's positive for all. It has -- it basically achieves what we think or where we want our balance sheet to be. So it achieves our credit metrics and credit ratios that we desire to see from this company and hence the buyback. I think what we want to do is, in February, announced a more clear policy on exactly how we will be returning cash to shareholders, whether dividend is quarterly or annually. If you're looking for guidance on how that could be structured. I think Aperam is a good example where there's a combination of a base dividend and maybe some share buybacks. And we want it to be linked to free cash flow. So we have some stability because earnings in the steel industry are more volatile, but we find that the free cash flow actually is more stable because when earnings are going up, you invest in working capital and when earnings are coming down, you have a release of cash from working capital. So those are some of the thoughts. I would not take any of that as specific guidance but just as ideas we have been mulling over. To the extent that you have specific recommendations, feel free to reach out to us, to Daniel, and obviously, all of this is a discussion with our Board, which is going to start at the end of this year and then conclude, and we'll report to you in February.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveSo we'll move to the final question, please, from Phil at KeyBanc.
Philip Gibbs
analystShould I assume that, that once this deal closes, that Calvert is going to be a customer of Cliffs right now on the steel side, assuming that you're going to be buying some slabs from them in the near future?
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes. So that is a correct assumption. The slabs that we will be buying and the contract basically mirrors what has been there in the past. So I don't see a fundamental change in that relationship. Obviously, the owner of that contract has now changed.
Philip Gibbs
analystOkay. Not the sound naive, but I just wanted to be totally clear here. Are we definitively saying that we've hit the $7 billion net debt target or expect to in the fourth quarter with this buyback or that doesn't signal that?
Aditya Mittal
executiveYes. I don't think it signals that and I would never give specific guidance in any case. I think what we are trying to say is that the target is still important. But the trigger of the target was to start returning cash to shareholders. And the target may not have been met, but the trigger has been met. And we will elaborate on what that trigger means. Obviously, we've elaborated to the share buyback, but we'll further elaborate in February of next year and be more specific.
Daniel Fairclough
executiveOkay. Aditya, Mr. Mittal, that's our final question from Phil. So handing back to you for any closing remarks.
Lakshmi Mittal
executiveThank you, Daniel, and thank you, everyone, for your participation and your interest. We really appreciate your questions and hope that today's call, we have been able to satisfy all your queries and comments and hope to speak to you soon. All the best. Stay safe.
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