Codan Limited (CDA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 18, 2021

Australian Securities Exchange AU Information Technology Electronic Equipment, Instruments and Components earnings 55 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Welcome to the Codan Limited FY '21 Half Year Earnings Call Presentation. [Operator Instructions] If any participant has difficulty hearing the presentation, the webcast will be made available on the Codan website shortly after its completion. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Donald McGurk, Managing Director and CEO. Please go ahead.

Donald McGurk

executive
#2

Good morning. Thank you for joining our call. We have had another exceptional half year complicated by the fact that we've announced an acquisition also on Tuesday. So this is a very full call. We've got a full presentation deck, and I'm also joined by Paul Sangster, the President of our Tactical Communications division; and by Michael Barton, our CFO. So I'll get straight into it. We have a half year summary slide, which shows a record sales for the half at $194.5 million, which translated into a record EBITDA and NPAT, and an earnings per share of $0.228. So we are feeling very, very pleased with the start that we have had to this financial year. And that's allowed us to pay an interim dividend of $0.105 fully franked. So you can see on the next slide the dividend progression that we are showing is pleasing. We've held a little bit back. We're not paying out exactly 50% of our profits, but we will pay out 50% at the full year of the total profits. As flagged earlier, the business is really -- it's a story of 2 divisions. The Communications division has really been impacted most by COVID. So that's seen a severe retraction in their performance vis-à-vis last year. Some of that was impacted by the fact that we shipped a large project in the period last year. And that will translate into a strong start for the second half once the other African order that we have now shipped during the first half of February, $13 million. The star of the show again has been Minelab. Minelab has shown exceptional growth. We'll talk about what these growth drivers have been a bit later in the presentation. We'll go into a little bit more detail. But we've also had a very strong start to the second half, which is very pleasing. I wanted to try and take the opportunity at this presentation to really talk about our strategy and where we think we're headed. This is made more applicable by the fact that we have, in fact, executed on a significant acquisition. But I'm going to take you through the 4 panels. This is a slide that you haven't seen before. We've talked about the components of our strategic growth strategy, but I'm trying to articulate it now in a manner that might be more palatable to the market, might be more understandable. And it really is made up of 2 panels. We have an organic growth section, which is really the core of our growth strategy. And that includes things like investing in ourselves, which is where we spend a significant amount of money each year developing new products to develop unique and protectable IP. That strategy has been absolutely sensational for us over the last 3 or 4 years and I think, marked by the performance in Minelab. Minelab, if we go back 3 years ago, was really heavily dependent on gold with 1 product into 3 African markets. Today, we have a product lineup that is much, much more significant. So we have 3 major gold platforms selling into dozens of countries in Africa and around the world. With respect to our consumer business, I think I've been quoted previously as saying that the consumer business over time, we think, has the potential to overtake our gold business. And you can see some signs of that happening already. If you go back 3 years, we were doing about between $2 million and $3 million a month in consumer. By making the massive investment that we've made over the last 3 to 5 years, we now have world-leading products at every price category in the consumer market. And our consumer business is now a circa $8 million to $10 million a month business. So significant growth in the last 3 years, which has really helped offset some of the perceived risks that the market had around gold. So we have a much, much more balanced portfolio and we're seeing the benefits of that now in a much, much more stable and growing Metal Detection business. The same can be said of Tactical Communications. Paul has put in place a strategy over the last 3 years to move us into a bigger, a more lucrative market segment called military. And whilst we still maintain a very, very strong market share affinity with our customers... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#3

Thank you. Please standby. We've temporarily lost connection with the speaker line. We'll recommence in just a moment. Thank you, we've recommenced now.

Donald McGurk

executive
#4

Okay. Thank you. Sorry for that, we had a technical problem at our end that seems to be okay now. I'll continue back on with the strategic growth plan. I've spoken about the invest in ourselves panel. The strength in the core part is about really the Minelab part of the strategy. So it's about geographic footprint expansion, moving from products to solutions and also going from voice to data to video. I think I mentioned that Paul, in this Tactical Communications division, have really pioneered this strategy going back 2 to 3 years ago. And the acquisition that we've just made that we will talk about in a minute, really just cements on where we're moving from a products and solutions business right across the board in our Communications area. I'll move then to leveraging existing technologies. That really is about the technology council. We spoke about trying to set up a legacy of unique and protectable IP that is organically developed within the company. So we have some fantastic technology in tracking, sensing, communications, and we're now looking to see whether we can apply that in different and more diversified markets. The last piece is the acquisition. And I think we've changed our view on acquisition over the last couple of years. I think on previous calls, we were looking to make an acquisition that was substantial, diversified and take us into having a proper fourth division of the business. I think having spent more time in the market looking for acquisitions and understanding where our relative strengths are, we've aligned ourselves in a strategy that is to try and look at an acquisition in an adjacent market space, with products and technology we understand and to customers and markets that we understand. And I think that's what we've achieved with the DTC acquisition. Moving into Tactical Communications. We have a slide here, which really articulates, again, the strategy that Paul has put in place. What I'll do at this stage in the call is turn you over to Paul to try and explain that strategy and also take you through the recent acquisition over the next few slides. Paul?

Paul Sangster

executive
#5

So this strategy has been a strategy, which we've outlined and articulated for the last 3 years. And if we go back a little bit in history, about 4 to 5 years ago, we had effectively a black box commercial-grade HF radio, which we served many government agencies around the world, with a strong focus on aid and humanitarian and various NGOs. We recognized that, that market, because of other infrastructure, be it cellular and satellite, et cetera, was really eating away into the HF market, particularly in the commercial space with increased infrastructure being built, particularly in Africa. So we made the decision to repurpose the mechanical aspects of our software-defined radio to move into a much larger market in the military communications market. Upon doing that, we recognized some -- and appreciated some very early success, but we also learned many lessons. And some of those lessons are around becoming a full solutions provider for the military market. As such, we went out to do either licensing or partnership agreements around interoperability and VHF products that were best-of-breed and world-class to offer more of a full solution to the developing world militaries. As we matured through that process and recognized some success, certainly up until COVID, we learned a lot of lessons around the traditional voice requirements moving to more data and video-driven requirements for our customers where they could have higher bandwidth and various types of ranges for situational awareness. As such, we have recently acquired DTC Communications, who is one of the leading providers in MIMO Mesh. So that allows us to round out our strategy from a full solutions provider. The exciting part about Domo Tactical Communications is they operate predominantly in the first world militaries. So it's very complementary, where our traditional strengths are in the developing world -- in the developing nations, while DTC is very strong in the developed world. So there's a lot of complementary synergies, if you will, amongst the 2 organizations. [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#6

Please standby. We temporarily lost the speaker. We'll recommence in just a moment. Thank you. The conference has recommenced.

Paul Sangster

executive
#7

Apologies for the technical difficulties as there's been an Optus outage here in Australia. Continuing on with DTC. DTC, with 3 strong locations in the United States, the U.K. and Denmark, has over 140 employees, most of which are on the engineering and development side. They've got a very strong reputation in first world militaries, which, as I said earlier, complements Codan's current routes to market and where we're well established. So the technology will allow us to offer even further greater solutions to both the developing and the developed world militaries. The addressable market, as we've seen and as we show here, we've taken a very conservative approach to this. There's a lot of macro data around military communications and the most attractive part and the most attractive growth area for this acquisition is in the video surveillance and MIMO Mesh area, where you can have independent networks where you're not reliant on cellular or satellite. So in a law enforcement and national security and broadcast and commercial market, there is a tremendous amount of demand for this type of technology as we continue to move forward. Under Codan's ownership, we are targeting EBITDA of $14 million in year 1, and we've taken a conservative view of what the addressable market is. When we look at the products and solutions that DTC offers, we first look at their traditional video market that they have, which serves the law enforcement, broadcast market and in particular, live sports. While COVID has had a major impact on the broadcast market as people cannot congregate around various venues, we see an opportunity in uptick once life gets back to normal post COVID. Next, we look at what we call the MIMO Mesh, which addresses challenges in similar environments in the military that we operate in and the environments in first world military. So we see existing customers such as the U.S. Army, U.K. MoDs and various military and defense organizations globally. So the MIMO Mesh is very well-established in your Tier 1 or Five Eyes community and across Europe. The exciting part about the MIMO Mesh is that as we look at the demand for unmanned systems, both on the ground with and in the air with , DTC's MIMO Mesh transmitters allow for video transmission for situational awareness. And with the uptick and demand in unmanned systems, we see this as also an area of growth. Next, we look at the Spectronic piece, and that's a sub-brand of DTC. And Spectronic is an organization that's been around for over 50 years. We look at the surveillance market. And without diving into the details of the specific products, they have audio and video capabilities that support law enforcement and national security, primarily in the developed worlds. Lastly, there is a command and control software suite, which is predominantly used in the law enforcement, national security and defense arena within the United States. We have plans to expand that further out into the developed worlds as we go forward. The great part about this is that we hope we properly identify and articulate that this product suite from DTC offers a very diverse portfolio for Codan as it has traditionally been focused on a very niche market in HF. So with the expansion of our strategy into interoperability, VHF and now MIMO Mesh, video, command and control, it will allow us to have a stronger run rate business, which will be less dependent our revenue profile on project base.

Donald McGurk

executive
#8

Okay. So we now have a video to show. And we're conscious of the fact that we're throwing a lot of technology out to you guys. So we're going to try and make it simple, we'll hand it over. [ Presentation ] Okay. Thank you. Paul, just finish off your slides on safe cities.

Paul Sangster

executive
#9

Yes. So this is 1 case study of a large surveillance. There's a large demand in redundant communications, particularly in the law enforcement and national security areas in the developed world. So DTC's portfolio of products allow us to support law enforcement and various government agencies to ensure high reliability communication, especially in areas that have denied surveillance locations and it -- as well, if it's an independent network. So it's not relying on cellular infrastructure in the event that there's an interruption to that service. It is also a real-time video so it allows for safety of the officers who may require to have video on the -- as a body-worn device.

Donald McGurk

executive
#10

Okay. I'll take you through this last slide. I mean one of the questions that we've had over the last few days is why Codan? Why is Codan the right owner for this business? I think some of the narrative that Paul's given would make that a bit more obvious. I mean that's 4 real segments that we think fit for us being the logical owner of this business. One is it is a strategic fit. It's an adjacent space into our military market and it offers us the ability to be a full solutions provider and be able to prime large defense solutions product orders. The routes are complementary. These guys are predominantly developed world, we are predominantly developing world. So it's a match made in heaven in terms of the way this movie rolls out over the next few years. It also fills a significant capability gap that customers are looking for in our portfolio. And based on the significant amount of due diligence that we've done over the last 4 or 5 months and having inside knowledge of the business because people understand the industry and the players, we believe it's a strong cultural fit for this company. I'll move pace now on to Critical Communications. Really in Critical Communications, we've gotten off to a good start for the year. So we had a strong first half, and that will continue. We'll finish the half at around about $28 million or $30 million in revenue, which is a great improvement on what we've seen in previous years. So we're just about at the stage where we're completing CASCADE. And for us, it's now all about transitioning from a product business to a solutions business, similar to what's happening in our tactical communications markets. And in the future, we're always open to assessing opportunities to continue to expand customer value, and we can talk more about that in time. We have a couple of slides on Metal Detection. One of the things that we want to try and answer today was, where has the growth come from and how sustainable will that growth be? There's really 4 areas. The first one we've spoken about already, which is really the money that we've poured into developing new products and really taking our competitors to task at every price level and every market and in every product segment. We've also focused on geographic expansion. We now have offices in Dubai. We've recently opened offices in Brazil and... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#11

Please standby, we'll recommence the conference shortly.

Donald McGurk

executive
#12

Okay. Thank you. Apologies, we've changed methods. And now hopefully, this will be the last of the interruptions. Not sure where I got cut off so I'll go quickly through this slide again. Product innovation, we've spoken about. Geographic expansion and mass market reach, we believe, are elements of our growth strategy that are sustainable going into the future and why we think that this growth is a sustainable growth. So we have more products going into more markets through more channels. We have a customer engagement strategy, which supports that. And that really is about our online and social media presence. And that really is starting to give us a lot of confidence and a lot of customer feedback, which is allowing us to be very agile in the way that we throw our growth strategy out. The GPZ -- GPX 6000, rather, is a brand-new product that will be revolutionary, we believe, in high-end gold detecting. It's a product that's been purpose-built for the African market. It's plug and play. It's simple to use, lightweight, collapsible, waterproof and at a price point that sits below the GPZ but is still very attractive for us. We will launch that product -- we have launched that product, that we will see meaningful volume come through in Q4. With respect to Minetec. I think we're strengthening our partnership with Caterpillar. And as each day goes by, we're beginning to operate more seamlessly. Caterpillar is taking us into markets and customers that we have not had the ability to access previously. And so whilst it's been slower than all of us would have hoped, we think there's some light at the end of the tunnel with respect to some profitability in the first half. And we expect to try and continue to grow this business during the second half. We now have the financial results panel, which I will hand over to Michael to quickly step us through.

Michael Barton

executive
#13

Yes. Thanks, Donald. I think in a half where we've had record sales and record profits, we'll step through this relatively quickly. Donald's already mentioned that the growth in sales really came from the recreation and the gold parts of our business, and we've stated the growth rates in the slide deck. So very strong performance. We've maintained our gross margins in the business, and that's despite incurring some significantly higher freight costs due to COVID. So pleasing that we've held margins. And our profitability margins at the EBITDA and the EBIT level will increase quite significantly as we achieve higher sales and being able to leverage our cost base. And Donald has mentioned, we've kicked off H2 in a similar vein. So we're -- we've had a fantastic result. And that looks to continue into the second half. On the engineering side, these charts, similar to what we've presented to the market previously. We continue to invest at record levels in our business. We've got more engineers than ever before. Some of the slight reduction in dollar value of spend in this half was really just due to the timing of our projects and not having as much external cost in our business over the half year. But still investing at very strong levels and have quite a strong pipeline of projects about to come to the market like the GPX 6000 that Donald's mentioned. Our cash generation also has been excellent. Codan has got a long history of converting its profits into cash. H1 was no different. We seek to continue to invest in inventory in the second half. We think that's an investment that we need to make in our business. So hopefully, when we get to the end of June, you'll see that we have invested some additional inventory into the business.

Donald McGurk

executive
#14

Okay. We'll finish off now with the outlook for FY '21. I think you've seen the flavor of this presentation is that we are well positioned for this financial year. We have a record first half and we've got a very strong start for the second half. January was a record month for us. That's in the history of the 63 years of Codan's operation. We are launching our GPX 6000 in Q4. We'll have meaningful sales in Q4. Communications will have a better second half. There's a strong backorder in excess of $40 million as we entered the period. And we just shipped the large African contract, which is $13 million in February. We just made the announcement that we bought DTC. Now DTC still has a couple of things required for us to go through from a U.S. government statutory requirement, something like foreign ownership and ITAR, which is International Traffic in Arms Regulations. These are really tick boxes. We are a Five Eyes country. We've already been told that this is really something that just will take time for the government to assess and give us the approvals. And so we're expecting that to happen by the end of April, in which case we will settle the deal and commence ownership and operation of this business. So we'll continue to keep the market updated, particularly given the moving parts that you see in front of you there as and when things unfold. But suffice it to say that we have a high degree of confidence that we will finish the year in a very strong position. That brings us to end of our presentation. So I'll give it back over to the moderator.

Operator

operator
#15

[Operator Instructions] The first phone question comes from Aaron Muller from Canaccord Genuity.

Aaron Muller

analyst
#16

You hear me okay?

Donald McGurk

executive
#17

Yes, Aaron, thank you.

Aaron Muller

analyst
#18

Congratulations on a great result. Look, I just wanted to touch on the $35 million in Metal Detection sales in January. Can you maybe just talk a little bit about the split between gold and consumer? And any particular geographies that you're seeing strong demand, obviously, outside of Africa? And then I know you've mentioned that the launch of the GPX 6000 isn't going to be until the fourth quarter where you expect meaningful sales. But does the $35 million include any sort of forward orders at all? Yes, that's probably it.

Donald McGurk

executive
#19

Okay. Thank you. No problem. No forward orders. This is orders that we have taken and shipped. So they're not been shipped to warehouses either. So this is real demand in the market. And the split was interesting. It was about $12 million in consumer, which was the highest we've done in consumer. And the balance in gold with a little bit of countermine but not a lot of countermine. So really, high sales across the gold market and split reasonably well across the developed and developing world. So we're seeing most of these sales probably take place into about 8 or 9 African countries, but very, very strongly supported by gold sales into places like Central and Latin America and other parts of Asia Pacific.

Aaron Muller

analyst
#20

Okay. And in terms of the -- I mean, obviously, it's a big jump on the average for the first half, which I think was about $26 million a month. I mean were there any trends in the first half that sort of led you to the $35 million, i.e., did it sort of start in July, let's call it, $20 million and then finish at $30 million in December? Or has it been a gradual increase in demand?

Donald McGurk

executive
#21

I look at you and call it a linear conversation. So the conversation has been, we've done, on average, $26 million, and that's moved around during the 6-month period. So we've had months that have been less than that and months that have been stronger. So you can't really draw a linear conclusion from what we've seen. But certainly, what we're seeing now is the second half is certainly biased to being stronger. And of course, we were a bit nervous having seen the strength of our first half, and if that second half skew would, in fact, take place. It does look like it's starting strongly. We've had a good start to February also. So at this stage, so far, so good.

Aaron Muller

analyst
#22

So do you think that could be similar to January?

Donald McGurk

executive
#23

I wouldn't speculate at this stage. We're halfway through the month. And remember, our lead time is like 3 days on orders. So that really just depends on the consumption of our market and the rate at which they order from here, that bill gets conceivable. But at this stage, it's steady as she goes and very strong, which is good.

Operator

operator
#24

The next phone question comes from Elijah Mayr from CLSA.

Elijah Mayr

analyst
#25

Congrats on the great results. Just a quick follow-up from the sales guidance in January. I'm conscious that there is a second half skew with the sales in metal detectors. Is there any sort of weighting -- particular weighting across the months? Like, historically, is January a particularly strong month? Or is that sort of considered standard during the second half?

Donald McGurk

executive
#26

Look, there probably is a weighting, Elijah. So if you look at it in quarters, the strongest quarter is certainly Q3. So it's not unexpected that we have a stronger start to the year than what we had as a finish and that usually starts to soften a bit towards April, May and June as it starts to heat up a bit in Africa.

Elijah Mayr

analyst
#27

Yes. Understood. And then just with the increased capacity that you guys put through at the end of last calendar year. What's the utilization rate, I guess, of the increased capacity? And sort of, I guess, what levels do you get to before you need to increase production again? Are you guys pretty comfortable where that capacity is at? I know you guys are still piling a little bit more in inventory so you don't get stuck in a situation like last year. But just maybe a few comments around sort of that capacity utilization at the moment?

Donald McGurk

executive
#28

Yes. That's obviously a pretty key international question also. We've moved to try and up the capacity across most of our product ranges in Malaysia, particularly. We now sit at the stage where we've almost doubled capacity in some product lines. And so we were looking to come to the market here and tell you that inventory was going to be higher than it actually is. But the reality is that we're selling more than we had anticipated. The good news is that our supply chain is keeping up. So we're kind of one step ahead of the tiger, if you like, but it's pretty close. And so we expect that at current levels, we will get more safety stock in between now and June as the market comes off a little bit during Q4.

Elijah Mayr

analyst
#29

So you guys are running pretty much at capacity. So I guess, what is the expectation that you would, again, like the availability to increase that capacity again over in Malaysia?

Donald McGurk

executive
#30

There is an availability to do that. At this stage, we don't think we need to because Q4, we don't expect to be as strong as Q3. Therefore, we will keep the capacity switched on to serve Q3 and that will by default put some excess inventory into the system entering FY '22.

Operator

operator
#31

The next question comes from Callum Sinclair from Macquarie.

Callum Sinclair

analyst
#32

Congrats on the results as well. Just staying with metal detection, firstly, the logistical challenges getting inventory to market and freight costs and shipping delays. Is that still a headwind? And how did you maintain the gross margin with that? Is it product mix or manufacturing efficiencies?

Donald McGurk

executive
#33

Yes. That's a good question, Callum, because there's a few moving parts here. First of all, we see an appreciating Australian dollar, which can be called a little bit of a headwind. But taking some of the tailwinds into consideration, we've been able, through a very professional supply chain -- and one of the things Codan has prided itself in over the last 20 years is its ability to have a supply chain, which is exceptional. And that really has come to bear, whilst competitors around us have struggled to keep up with demand, we've been able to take advantage of excess demand in [ retail ]. So that's been fantastic. With respect to freight, that's been a headwind. We've seen a quadrupling, if you like, of our airfreight costs to the point where part of the reason for us to increase our capacity was to try and get some more products in the water. We've been largely successful in doing that across our consumer business. And that's where you've seen some of the increase at the half in inventory. We haven't quite been as successful in our gold markets. The gold market demand has probably outpaced their ability to take the risk of having stock tied up for 6 weeks on the water. So that's our objective over Q4. But at this stage, we're, as I said, a couple of steps ahead of the tiger that's chasing us at the moment.

Callum Sinclair

analyst
#34

Fantastic. And then maybe on the DTC acquisition. It seems like the opportunity is more revenue synergies and cost synergies. But maybe if you can just elaborate on how and when this can be achieved and where there might be internalization of margins from previously white-labeled revenue?

Donald McGurk

executive
#35

Sure. Thank you. We -- first of all, we didn't have MIMO Mesh as a revenue stream prior to this acquisition. So the partnerships that we had in place are with tactical VHF, interoperability and a bit of SATCOM. So this is a new revenue stream for us. So there's no change, if you like, in our margins in this division because this is a new capability that we're bringing in, so it's a capability gap that we are filling. With respect to the synergies that we see, we bought this company off a PE company. So I don't need to tell you guys that, that means that a lot of the costs have been already buttoned down pretty hard. So we haven't gone and assumed any cost synergies. We expect there to be some as we actually get the benefits of scale and some of the Codan corporate overhead into some of these divisions, but that will be minimal. Where the real driver for this business is, is in our ability and the ability of the team to know this market well and really turbocharge the front end. So we expect to significantly increase sales under the first year of our ownership from July 1.

Operator

operator
#36

The next phone question comes from Ronan Barratt from Moelis Australia.

Ronan Barratt

analyst
#37

Look, just firstly, on metal detection. You mentioned during the call that recreational is now an $8 million to $10 million a month business for you. But roughly what sort of global market share do you think that now implies for Codan in recreational? And has there been any competitive responses worth noting over the last sort of 6 to 12 months since you launched products such as the VANQUISH?

Donald McGurk

executive
#38

Okay. Good question, Ronan. I think we -- I think in the last call, we spent some time trying to educate the market that we weren't the biggest in the consumer space at that time. I think, Garrett, we believe, were bigger than us. They had a bigger share, particularly in America. I think we are fast-changing that market share dynamic. So at $12 million for last month, we know that we'd be #1 in the market now and we would have the biggest share. But that still wouldn't give us what I would call a monopolistic position. It's certainly not as strong as our gold position, which we estimate at between 80% and 90% share. We're probably moving towards closer to 50%. So we're probably coming up from 35% to 50% would be the latest information we have. The objective is to try and keep play into some of our competitors with some of the new product releases that we have coming and try and get up towards the 60%, 70% as time goes on over the next couple of years. I think it's been difficult for people to respond. I think we saw Garrett come out with a product to respond to the VANQUISH and they quickly almost withdrawn it from the market to rehash it because it just hasn't been successful. So people are now panicking. I think they're trying to do things with their products that the architecture of the design just won't allow. So we've taken competitive products in-house. We've looked at their intents at multifrequency, and quite frankly, the physics don't stack up. So they would have to go and completely reengineer their platforms in order to compete with products like EQUINOX and VANQUISH, which we don't expect them to be able to do. So we've kind of got them on the run, Ronan.

Ronan Barratt

analyst
#39

Okay. And then just lastly on the on the DTC -- on the DTC acquisition. Maybe could you just give a bit of color around the growth rates that business has been achieving over the past couple of years? What you'd like to see it growing up moving forward, noting that you think the addressable market itself will be growing by 15%? And then maybe if you could just talk to, like, how big of an opportunity you think there is to take this technology into the developing world. Like would that add significantly to the addressable market you presented here? And how competitive is that space as it relates to the developing world?

Donald McGurk

executive
#40

Sure. We'll try and take the questions down into 2 parts, and I'll get Paul to answer the second part around the developing world. But if you look at this business, it's got a history where it was owned by Cobham Defense, that was a much larger business comprising many other divisions, which have been sold off subsequently after acquisition by Marlin. What we've seen Marlin do is really stabilize this business, consolidate it, take out some of the nonperforming parts. But it's been reasonably flat over the last couple of years. We think it's been flat over the last couple of years for a couple of reasons. Number one, the owners of the business added no value to the business in terms of their ability to understand how to grow it. So they were really floundering a little bit. They were connecting themselves to U.S. government programs, predominantly, and that's where they're focused. And I think we'll see some success in that area over the coming 12 to 18 months. But really, the other opportunistic areas they've just neglected. The rest-of-the-world sales have been very poor. And we know that, that in the developed world is very strong. And also, they've really abandoned their ability to go after programs like Safe Cities and programs of record. So they really haven't understood how to manage this business the way that we think we do understand how to do that. We've got a list of people on our Rolodex that we might bring into this business over the next 12 months that will turbocharge charge that front end. I'll pass this over to Paul now just to talk more about the ability to leverage this technology into the developing world.

Paul Sangster

executive
#41

Yes. Thanks, Donald. Before we get into the developing world, as Donald points out, more acutely in the Five Eyes community, in the developed worlds in Europe, we believe there's an opportunity to upskill and increase resources on the front end to go after larger programs, where there is a significant amount of money spent on sovereign capability. We are seeing that firsthand here in Australia. And particularly in Australia, we are now the only provider and owner of sovereign capability being MIMO Mesh, where there is very strong demand. So I'd just like to ensure that people understand. We will be very focused on the developed worlds because we think there's further market share that we can take within that. As it relates to the developing worlds, as I pointed out on my slides earlier, there's a strong demand and a shift from traditional voice communications to more data-driven and video-driven solutions, particularly for situational awareness. And if you look in terms of West Africa, some of the conflicts -- some of the conflicts in Central Asia and some parts of the Middle East, data-driven and voice-driven applications and requirements are certainly there. So Codan's routes to market and established dealer network will appreciate this product from day 1, particularly in Asia Pacific, where we've had some immediate demand and uptick since we bought this in the last 48 hours. Thank you, Donald.

Operator

operator
#42

The next question comes from James Lennon from Petra Capital. The next question comes from Jason Palmer from Taylor Collison.

Jason Palmer

analyst
#43

Congratulations on a good result. Just 2 questions from me. First of all, you mentioned that there were some sales that were pushed over into the second half for the Metal Detection business because of supply constraints. Can you provide a bit more detail into sort of where that -- where those sales were constrained? I mean, clearly, it was in gold, but a bit more sort of granularity would be helpful. And then the second question I have is around the radio comms business. And I guess it's 2 parts. The first part being what the business is doing to regenerate the sales pipeline for FY '22 on the Tactical side, given that we still got significant border closures. And the second part to that question was just maybe if you could sort of give us a bit more insight into, in particular, Paul's background at Cobham and his intimate knowledge of these assets?

Donald McGurk

executive
#44

Okay. Thanks. I'll again answer this in 2 parts. I'll take the Metal Detection question, and I'll give Paul, since he's sitting in the room, the opportunity to talk about his pipeline and where he's going to get his sales from because I'm pretty interested in that as well. With respect to the Metal Detection question, I didn't ever say that we pushed sales into the second half. So I don't know where that's come from, Jason. But as I said, we're 1 or 2 steps ahead of the tiger. We've been able to meet demand all the way through. So the demand in January was actually demand generated in January. Pass over to Paul.

Jason Palmer

analyst
#45

Sorry, Don, just to cut you off. I thought I heard you say that there was -- you were supply-constrained to December, which meant that you had to push some deliveries into January.

Donald McGurk

executive
#46

I said, we have reached the maximum of our ability to bring product in from the suppliers. We've ramped up our supply, but we're 1 step ahead of the tiger. In other words, we're able to meet demand with the supply, but there's not a hell of a lot left.

Paul Sangster

executive
#47

All right. Thanks, Jason. Let me try and address 2 of those questions. So the first question being, given the COVID challenges and travel restrictions, how do we plan on meeting our targets for FY '22? The great thing about Codan and now DTC is the local geographic presence. So for example, our team in Dubai have been traveling for the past 2 months in and out of Africa. Now there are some challenges with that in terms of when they return, isolation. When they go in-country, isolation, et cetera. So there is some challenges that the team have faced, particularly in Africa and in and out of the U.K. But we're very proud of the team in terms of their resilience and commitment to follow through. As an example, the delivery of -- that we've just shipped into West Africa, we've got 2 of our staff from Dubai that have gone in to help them with acceptance testing to get sign off. So our ability to travel in the local markets is, while it's constrained to some degree, people are still moving around. So once we have full access, I think we'll see even stronger uptick. And as I said, as COVID -- as we get past COVID and we get the vaccines rolled out, we'll see an uptick in broadcast in that market as well as we see more people going to sporting events. So hopefully, that addresses that question around that. And actually, coupled with that is we also have a lot of local dealers. So we rely on our dealers in all of these local countries. So these dealers are also very technical and well-staffed up. We have 2 large training rooms here at headquarters. And we have invested in the infrastructure that will -- in technology, that will allow us to train. So for example, we've trained the Malaysians and the Philippines military just in the past 2 weeks based here in Adelaide. So I think on that, that covers off that. For the second question in terms of my background and as it relates to the recent acquisition, myself and others that currently work at Codan, previously worked in what was the Cobham Surveillance business. Many of us have come from the sub groups or sub companies that Cobham bought to roll up the surveillance organization. So myself and a few other gentlemen had run the North America sales many years ago for the Cobham Surveillance division, which was later acquired by a private equity firm. So we do have intimate knowledge of certainly the customer base. And I think that will bode well in terms of our understanding to beef up the front end of the business moving forward, especially with Codan's presence outside of the Five Eyes community.

Operator

operator
#48

Unfortunately, due to time constraints, we will now conclude the Q&A session. We will attempt to respond to any unanswered questions submitted via the webcast interface in due course. I would now like to pass the call back to Mr. McGurk for any closing remarks.

Donald McGurk

executive
#49

Okay. Thank you. Look, I really appreciate your time and apologize for the interrupted nature of the call. That probably took a bit of steam out of what we were trying to do because you do lose your way a little bit. But hopefully, there was enough in there for you to glean that the business is doing well better than it's ever gone and probably well positioned for the future also. So thank you for your time. We really appreciate it.

Operator

operator
#50

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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